Trading post mini-rant

[TennVol]

Why is it that sellers remove the price on items (especially firearms) after they've posted them SPF/sold on the Trading Post? I'm happy people are posting the final disposition (SPF, or sold, or whatever). But why do you have to remove the asking price from the post after it's sold? Leaving the price on the ad is very helpful to those of us considering buying/selling the same/similar item.

Just my $.02 worth...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Why is it that sellers remove the price on items (especially firearms) after they've posted them SPF/sold on the Trading Post? I'm happy people are posting the final disposition (SPF, or sold, or whatever). But why do you have to remove the asking price from the post after it's sold? Leaving the price on the ad is very helpful to those of us considering buying/selling the same/similar item.

Just my $.02 worth...

Is there an echo in this thread from the other thread? I... I think there is... Yes! There is!!! [LOL]

[CareyH]

I give this rant a 3 out of 10. For lack of cursing and no finger pointing. LOL

I often wonder the samething. It would be nice to know that info.

[TennVol]

I give this rant a 3 out of 10. For lack of cursing and no finger pointing. LOL

I often wonder the samething. It would be nice to know that info.

Like I said, a "mini" rant.

I just looked at four separate ads for HD shotguns. All have either been sold, or withdrawn. Not a one still had the original asking price listed.

...I guess there must be a big secret in regards to the price once an item has sold.

[islandermyk]

Shouldn't use this site as a reference for pricing out things...


... that's what Armslist is for... [Coffee]

[Sharpienads]

The sold price isn't necessarily the asking price, either.

[islandermyk]

...I guess there must be a big secret in regards to the price once an item has sold.


I as a seller like the idea of hooking up members on here.. when the price is erased or no longer available... just assume that it was a good deal. [Beer]

[mevshooter]

I rarely end up selling or buying a gun for the listed price. Often times I do not want people to know what I sold a gun for, and most sellers don't want people to know either.

In a pinch, someone might sell a gun for below its listed value due to a financial need. If we base all of the prices off of those quick sales, a lot of people would take unnecessary hits on gun prices.

Just my 2 cents.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Why is it that sellers remove the price on items (especially firearms) after they've posted them SPF/sold on the Trading Post? I'm happy people are posting the final disposition (SPF, or sold, or whatever). But why do you have to remove the asking price from the post after it's sold? Leaving the price on the ad is very helpful to those of us considering buying/selling the same/similar item.

Just my $.02 worth...

You know everything that's ever online is recorded right? http://archive.org/web/web.php

Your welcome.

PS if it doesnt show there..google it. There is a SF based online archive that I cannot remember at the moment.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Nevermind on the archive thing... i just remember the trading post is login only area. [Beer]

[Great-Kazoo]

Consider this, If the item did not sell with in the first 5-15 minutes , but did sell later that day or week, you can be sure it was not for the asking price.
Good deals rarely last more than 15min without a SPF in the OP.
The draco that was for sale i logged off, then back on, within 10 minutes of the op's posting Draco was SPF. I'm glad i did not know the posted price or i'd be pissed that deal was lost to some other board member.

I know for a fact some of the "sale prices" never come close to the actual transaction price paid, respect the buyer / seller deal.

The LMT that came up last week, I paid asking price. Only a fool would have passed that deal (to me) up.
Had to dig through every piece of furniture for change, luckily the wife said she would cover what money i did not have. Of course it's her birthday tomorrow, so she knows her present will be of like or equal value.
Witches they are i tell ya, witches.

[DD977GM2]

Excellent topic of discussion.

I agree 100%


Once the item is traded, SPF or sold or even withdrawn the need to

1.Properly update to status of item
2.Leave the add as it was before add was updated
including the asking price or whatever price there
3.Re-update the post when transaction is complete wether shipped
or sold and the transaction finally took place.

I think this is used on other sites to allow for an idea of fair market price.

[Great-Kazoo]

Excellent topic of discussion.

I agree 100%


Once the item is traded, SPF or sold or even withdrawn the need to

1.Properly update to status of item
2.Leave the add as it was before add was updated
including the asking price or whatever price there
3.Re-update the post when transaction is complete wether shipped
or sold and the transaction finally took place.

I think this is used on other sites to allow for an idea of fair market price.


It's used on other sites IF there is an issue regarding payment sent, received, description of the gun in the op, vs. what the buyer received etc.
You're on arfcom too. I'm sure you've seen the back & forth when a deal goes south. Having the OP remain intact with the update of SOLD allows the mods to see what exactly was offered.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

On a Paintball forum I used to be on, original posts in the FOR SALE section couldn't be edited without Mod Approval.

[DD977GM2]

It's used on other sites IF there is an issue regarding payment sent, received, description of the gun in the op, vs. what the buyer received etc.
You're on arfcom too. I'm sure you've seen the back & forth when a deal goes south. Having the OP remain intact with the update of SOLD allows the mods to see what exactly was offered.


I deny all such charges[Weight][LOL]

[SideShow Bob]

Excellent topic of discussion.

I agree 100%


Once the item is traded, SPF or sold or even withdrawn the need to

1.Properly update to status of item
2.Leave the add as it was before add was updated
including the asking price or whatever price there
3.Re-update the post when transaction is complete wether shipped
or sold and the transaction finally took place.

I think this is used on other sites to allow for an idea of fair market price.


So you want everyone on the forum to know that you sold me that US made SA 1911 for $175 and a beat up Jennings in trade ? [LOL]

Fair Market price is what someone is willing to pay or what a seller is willing to take on an item. This can vary on any given day.

What the above will do is drive up prices and make sellers think their fair condition items are worth what a mint condition like item sold for.

[Wiggity]

I will continue to to delete my price OP

[mutt]

I blitz my ads with with a simple SOLD to get the point across. The thing is gone. If the pics and description are gone, it lessens the chances of someone asking me if it's still available...

As for using the ads to gauge fair market value, you have no idea what the item actually sold for or if it was even sold at all (maybe I traded it off). I think attempting to use the trading post as a KBB for used gear is a bad idea. There are better sources for that.

But if the mods decide they want the ads to remain intact except for a SOLD update, I have no problem doing so.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

This thread is getting close to Tin Foil status... I better go buy up a few more shares of Reynolds Wrap... I see stocks rising with the influx of product sales about to happen from the people posting in this thread...

[TheBelly]

Like I said, a "mini" rant.

THen I give your mini rant a mini-2/10.

I appreciate a good filibuster when it comes to ranting. You get extra points if someone calls you a communist/socialist/fascist/nazi/honey-boo-boo-mother-lover within ten minutes of your mini-rant.

[JohnTRourke]

If you wanted to know what it sold for, you should have paid it.

the only two people who "paid" to know the price of that item on that day from that seller is the buyer and the seller. Private party transaction means exactly that, it's private.

if you want to know a "price" go online and buy from a dealer. That's a public transaction, but even that, can be negotiable. You don't know what the previous guy paid for that car like yours or sofa or TV, why should you get to know for free what he paid for that gun that's similar to yours?

Information is valuable, it does have a cost, price discovery costs money.

[alxone]

Shouldn't use this site as a reference for pricing out things...


... that's what Armslist is for... [Coffee]
Mike is kinda right ( not about arms list ) better deals tend to happen here than other sites . There are many reasons for this ( local , friends , not wanting to be low balled by armlisters etc ) . Also a lot of items are for trade only [Beer]

[SouthPaw]

As John put it, private sale means just that, private. I always remove it out of respect for the next owner and I will continue to do that. If you are considering buying or selling a similar item, do the research like the rest of us before the sale. If it sells in 5 mins it was a "good deal." If it does not move maybe resarch further and adjust the price accordingly.

[TennVol]

I really don't give a damn what the item eventually sold for, or was traded for, or whatever the disposition eventually was - that was between the seller and the buyer. I only would like to see the original post remain intact and see what the original asking price was for the item. Nothing more, nothing less. It seems to work OK on other boards, why not here?

Whether or not the original asking price was fair or not, or if it that price can be used a basis for negotiation for another like item is not my concern. I offer items for sale based on what I think they are worth and I only buy items in the same manner. I use old posts (with old prices) as one of many data points I use when I am buying/selling.

Having the original post remain intact would be one more piece of information buyers/sellers would have at their disposal to help determine fair market market value of items. Old posts/prices would certainly not be the final word, but it could be one piece of data folks may find useful.

[SouthPaw]

I really don't give a damn what the item eventually sold for, or was traded for, or whatever the disposition eventually was - that was between the seller and the buyer.

Whether or not the original asking price was fair or not, or if it that price can be used a basis for negotiation for another like item is not my concern. I offer items for sale based on what I think they are worth and I only buy items in the same manner.


You just stated almost everything John and I have already said. Fair market is only what a buyer is willing to pay. If you are willing to pay $250 for a stripped run of the mill lower because that is what they are "selling" for, go right ahead. If you are going to sell items in the same manner no one is stopping you. It still comes down to you doing your own research before buying and selling. Just stating my opinion on the subject.

[MCarp71]

Shouldn't use this site as a reference for pricing out things...


... that's what Armslist is for... [Coffee]

Thats funny right there!![ROFL1]

[sniper7]

I delete the whole thing. If it we're up to me I would delete my entire ad all together. I don't see where my purchases and sales need to be all over the internet to be searched. Kinda hurts any boating accident claims!

[TennVol]

You just stated almost everything John and I have already said. Fair market is only what a buyer is willing to pay. If you are willing to pay $250 for a stripped run of the mill lower because that is what they are "selling" for, go right ahead. If you are going to sell items in the same manner no one is stopping you. It still comes down to you doing your own research before buying and selling. Just stating my opinion on the subject.

Agreed. One piece of the research puzzle is reviewing any old posts/sales you can find (here, Gun Broker, Guns America, etc...) to see what has already transpired. Keeping old FS posts intact gives you one more piece of usable data you can accumulate to help you buy/sell items.

[Wiggity]

I really don't give a damn what the item eventually sold for, or was traded for, or whatever the disposition eventually was - that was between the seller and the buyer. I only would like to see the original post remain intact and see what the original asking price was for the item. Nothing more, nothing less. It seems to work OK on other boards, why not here?

Whether or not the original asking price was fair or not, or if it that price can be used a basis for negotiation for another like item is not my concern. I offer items for sale based on what I think they are worth and I only buy items in the same manner. I use old posts (with old prices) as one of many data points I use when I am buying/selling.

Having the original post remain intact would be one more piece of information buyers/sellers would have at their disposal to help determine fair market market value of items. Old posts/prices would certainly not be the final word, but it could be one piece of data folks may find useful.


You know...there is this website out there that not many people know about that accomplishes this exact purpose. It is www.google.com. It usually leads you to other sites such as www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com. It's a complicated system, but if you can learn to use it correctly, then you can price damn near anything.

Some people on this site may not want to keep their selling record as public information. If you do not like this, you may need to realize that it is none of your business.


Stupid thread is stupid.

[Wiggity]

Agreed. One piece of the research puzzle is reviewing any old posts/sales you can find (here, Gun Broker, Guns America, etc...) to see what has already transpired. Keeping old FS posts intact gives you one more piece of usable data you can accumulate to help you buy/sell items.

Cheesus man, how much "data" do you need to sell something for a few hundred bucks? Stick it up there for a gunbroker/gunsamerica price, if it sells then great, if not, lower the price until it sells.

Now let me explain buying to you. If you are willing pay the price, then buy, if not, then don't and try to work out a deal.

This is some pretty simple shit.

[Sharpienads]

Cheesus man, how much "data" do you need to sell something for a few hundred bucks? Stick it up there for a gunbroker/gunsamerica price, if it sells then great, if not, lower the price until it sells. This is some pretty simple shit.

[ROFL1] Awesome.

[bigun1962]

The sell price is between the buyer and seller. The nosey neighbors don't need to know Ethel! That is my 2 cents.

[Whistler]

If it we're up to me I would delete my entire ad all together. I don't see where my purchases and sales need to be all over the internet to be searched.

^This

[Wiggity]

Thanks for the Econ 101 lesson.

For the life of me, I don't know how I've survived this long without the benefit of your sage advice!




You're welcome. You may stop crying.


EDIT: ooo we have post deletion on our hands!