View Full Version : NAACP going to the UN regarding US voting laws
jplove71
09-26-2012, 00:26
The libtards certainly are pursuing every possible avenue they can to increase the voter base in their favor.
Read the full story here (http://news.yahoo.com/naacp-takes-bid-ensure-us-ex-con-voting-203254588--politics.html).
GENEVA (AP) — The NAACP is taking to the U.N. its effort to ensure that all former convicted felons in the United States can vote.
A delegation from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was holding meetings Tuesday at the United Nation's Geneva office in part to press the world body to send observers to the U.S. for this year's elections.
The diplomatic push comes against the backdrop of a related — and vigorous — debate about requirements in some states for would-be voters to provide proper identification before they can cast ballots.
The NAACP says nearly 6 million U.S. citizens are barred from voting because of previous felony convictions. According to The Sentencing Project, an advocacy group that seeks policies to make it easier for felons to vote, the United States has the world's largest prison population — 2.2 million — and more than 60 percent of inmates are ethnic or racial minorities.
I agree with them. Those same people should be able to own guns as well.
I agree with them. Those same people should be able to own guns as well.
Only if they have kept their nose clean for at least 10 years. The problem with felons is that they do tend to recidivate (sp?) at a high rate.
So what say does the UN have about the US voting regs? As far as I have known we are not under a one world order yet.
As far as I'm concerned, if a convicted felon has served their time in full, and has been released from the system free and clear, then I'm of the (logical?) opinion that their debt to society has been paid.... Yes, they should be able to vote, and yes they should be able to own firearms.
flan7211
09-26-2012, 10:10
A lot of this is summed up by Locke and Burke's views of social contracts. If someone doesn't feel like part of the social contract, they have nothing to loose by harming society. If the debt is paid the debt is paid. If it isn't don't let them out of prison.
Only if they have kept their nose clean for at least 10 years. The problem with felons is that they do tend to recidivate (sp?) at a high rate.
Disagree. There are no pre-requisites for Rights. You either have them, or you don't. If you are not currently incarcerated, then under what premise can your rights be violated? If a felon can not be trusted to behave outside of prison, then why are they out of prison? Remember that freedom isn't free.
Teufelhund
09-26-2012, 12:30
'Cause freedom costs a buck O' five.
I have to agree with the majority of posts so far. Your Rights should not be denied on a permanent basis. If we expect people who have served their sentence to assimilate back into society, they can't be treated as second-class citizens.
That said, I'm about sick to death of the argument that colored people are disenfranchised by the consequences of criminal convictions. Those consequences existed long before that person chose criminal behavior, and I guarantee those laws don't say anything about race. We have laws here that prohibit discrimination based on the color of one's skin, but the other side of that token is one is not excused from personal accountability based on the color of their skin. Want to avoid consequences that follow being a criminal? Then don't be a criminal.
jplove71
09-26-2012, 12:45
Should convicted felons be able to vote once they have served their time? Yes. But I don't see why the NAACP is going to the U.N. over the matter because that 'governing body' has no say on U.S. law.
Disagree. There are no pre-requisites for Rights. You either have them, or you don't. If you are not currently incarcerated, then under what premise can your rights be violated? If a felon can not be trusted to behave outside of prison, then why are they out of prison? Remember that freedom isn't free.
As a libertarian, in principle, I agree with you, but as a pragmatist I don't. The issue is more complicated than that. It's not just about paying your debt to society, it's about proving that you are able to be a law abiding member of that society and have given up being a-social and respecting others rights.
I have two people that I've known that got into trouble with the law.
One made a stupid mistake when he was young (but legally an adult). He ended up getting married, having kids, holding a good job and, as far as I know, being a law abiding productive member of society.
The second has been to prison twice, but has not learned their lesson and continues to be a drug abuser, drug dealer, and general sociopath.
The first person, IMO, should have their rights fully restored: voting and 2A.
The second should not.
As a libertarian, in principle, I agree with you, but as a pragmatist I don't. The issue is more complicated than that. It's not just about paying your debt to society, it's about proving that you are able to be a law abiding member of that society and have given up being a-social and respecting others rights.
I have two people that I've known that got into trouble with the law.
One made a stupid mistake when he was young (but legally an adult). He ended up getting married, having kids, holding a good job and, as far as I know, being a law abiding productive member of society.
The second has been to prison twice, but has not learned their lesson and continues to be a drug abuser, drug dealer, and general sociopath.
The first person, IMO, should have their rights fully restored: voting and 2A.
The second should not.
I hear you loud and clear. I wonder however, why this second offender who continues to be a criminal, is not incarcerated again, and therefore is stripped of his rights? In jail - no rights. Out of jail - full rights...
What can you do (what have you done?) to ensure he's behind bars where he evidently needs to be? Why isn't he in prison?
I hear you loud and clear. I wonder however, why this second offender who continues to be a criminal, is not incarcerated again, and therefore is stripped of his rights? In jail - no rights. Out of jail - full rights...
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Being in prison, is paying your debt to society. Once released and proving that you can be a law abiding productive member of society, is a completely different thing.
What can you do (what have you done?) to ensure he's behind bars where he evidently needs to be? Why isn't he in prison?
I do not associate with this person, nor am I law enforcement. It's not my responsibility to make sure they end up being incarcerated.
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