Question about traffic/driving laws

[Ronin13]

So I am just curious... and I drew some diagrams to explain my question:
Is this correct thinking that the green is legal, and the red is not in the following diagrams?
http://i.imgur.com/pUp8s.jpg
This first one is showing a turn lane entering the roadway and then a turn lane exiting the roadway a short ways down. Is it illegal to enter the turn lane for traffic entering the roadway prior to the turn lane exiting?
http://i.imgur.com/SDYVt.jpg
And my second question, is it legal to go from one side of a parking space through the adjacent empty parking space when exiting?
The only reason I ask is that these are [potential] infractions that I tend to see just about every day, and just curious as to if they are/aren't legal.

[clublights]

Top yep the red arrow would technically be illegal



the bottom one.

Private lot the lines painted basically mean nothing...

at least that is how I read the law.

[00tec]

You are not supposed to cross a solid white line. That said, I don't believe I've seen any like your top post unless there is an entrance/exit close

Private parking lot= private parking lot. How you enter/exit a parking space is your business unless said space is on a public street.

[Irving]

I can only comment on liability of each driver in the case of an accidenr involving either of those actions. As far as actual traffic laws, what everyone else has said is true (to the best of my knowledge), but you would not be likely to get a ticker for the top one if it was as closr as your drawing depicts.

[jhood001]

http://i.imgur.com/pUp8s.jpg


Let me guess - You were honoring the solid white line and some tool broke it and sped up so you couldn't get in?

Drives me nuts. Although the rage on their face after I move my Suburban's giant ass into their way as soon as the line breaks is pretty enjoyable.

[OneGuy67]

Are you referencing 6th Ave and the onramp/offramps? If so, you are technically correct, but I can't see anyone actually enforcing it, unless due to an accident.

The only traffic related ordinances that can be usually enforced in a parking lot are unsafe backing, careless or reckless driving and DUI. And this usually only pertains to municipalities that have adopted the Model Traffic Code.

[Ronin13]

Let me guess - You were honoring the solid white line and some tool broke it and sped up so you couldn't get in?

Drives me nuts. Although the rage on their face after I move my Suburban's giant ass into their way as soon as the line breaks is pretty enjoyable.

Yesterday yes... in Evergreen (you can google map it)- Evergreen Parkway (SH-74) has an entrance lane from Stagecoach Blvd, and only about 150m after is the turn off (with it's own exit lane) to Bryant Dr. I see people enter the exit turn lane early every day, and I just wonder why there haven't been more accidents here... since we all know the world is getting dumber before it gets smarter. [Bang]

[Irving]

Because a safe lane change, is a safe lane change, regardless of the presence of a solid white line. I've been ignoring things like that more and more lately.

[BPTactical]

Solid white lines are "Channelization" lines, meant to guide traffic as in an off ramp. To the best of my knowledge the only time they have legal ramifications is when posted, say in a construction zone ie "Stay in Lane".
Solid yellow lines are "Division" lines, meant to divide traffic (direction typically) and have legal ramifications.
Division and Channelization lines are 8" wide whereas normal "skip" lines are 6" wide.
Spacing of skip lines is 10' line, 40' space to the next line. Skip lines are for lane delineation and are white in a multi-lane road (one direction)and yellow on a two way road.

Pick up a copy of the MUTCD (Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices).
It will answer all your questions. It is also better than counting sheep when you can't sleep.

[Ronin13]

Solid white lines are "Channelization" lines, meant to guide traffic as in an off ramp. To the best of my knowledge the only time they have legal ramifications is when posted, say in a construction zone ie "Stay in Lane".
Solid yellow lines are "Division" lines, meant to divide traffic (direction typically) and have legal ramifications.
Division and Channelization lines are 8" wide whereas normal "skip" lines are 6" wide.
Spacing of skip lines is 10' line, 40' space to the next line. Skip lines are for lane delineation and are white in a multi-lane road (one direction)and yellow on a two way road.

Pick up a copy of the MUTCD (Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices).
It will answer all your questions. It is also better than counting sheep when you can't sleep.

Holy crap! That's a bit of knowledge you just dropped on us there. Are you quoting from memory or from the book? If that's from memory, wow, thou art wise Bert! [Beer]

[Ridge]

Because a safe lane change, is a safe lane change, regardless of the presence of a solid white line. I've been ignoring things like that more and more lately.

Well, Irving, you're just getting to that age where you don't give a damn what people think of you...