Suppressor questions

[Robb]

I've been curious and have been reading but have questions on the QD suppressors. Initially I thought a suppressor on a target/varmint AR might be nice, but the ability to swap it to other AR's and even some .22's sort of really got me wondering about attaching to other barrels.

So, how does a QD attachment suppressor attach to an AR? Does it still thread on to a fancy threaded Flash suppressor? If a suppressor could be attached to a number of different barrels that would be great, but I can't go get numerous barrels threaded. I'd be more interested if a suppressor could easily transition over to some of the .22's we have. I also have an AR with a perminately attached flash hider, would the QD attachment supressor work with that arrangement?

And for those that have them, I've read where the bolt cycling and the crack of the bullet really negates using a suppressor. I sure would like to hear some opinions of whether you felt your suppressor purchase was worth it or not.

Robb

[mr_will]

you should not use a 223 can on a 22lr, This has been advised to me by a few respected class 3 dealers including Alan Samual. I am eventually going to get a .223 can to go on my AR. I have a 22lr can on order.
you can get a 223 can threaded on the standard 1/2" threads or a quick detach of multiple types

[Circuits]

You can shoot .22 through a .223 can all you want, but as the .223 suppressor is designed for a much faster, higher-pressure round, its performance will likely be downgraded somewhat on the lighter, slower .22LR. Best suppression in .22 comes from a dedicated .22 suppressor, or even integrally suppressed .22.

If your permanent flash suppressor meets STANAG requirements, then the STANAG-QD mount suppressors like the Gemtech HALO will mount to it, otherwise, you'll have to have your particular suppressor model's flash suppressor mounted in place of your current one.

In .22, suppressors are good enough for me to shoot without hearing protection, from either a pistol or the 10.5" .22 upper on my M16 - but you can really only do that when out plinking on your own land or out in the woods. At a range, your gun's quiet enough to shoot without ears on, but the other guns are still too loud for you to safely do that.

Depending on the particular firearm and action, the bolt/cycling noise can seem fairly loud or hardly noticeable. With a short enough barrel in .22, or using subsonic ammo, there will be no ballistic crack.

In .223 and .308, you get a loud ballistic crack and swishing noise. Full auto sounds like a weed whacker to me (swish-crack-swish-crack). Suppressed .223 and .308 sound about like a really loud .22, but I find it uncomfortable without hearing protection.

[HunterCO]

To me a supressed AR sounds like a .22 unsupressed it is all in your perspective. Circuts described it great and I have never thought of it that way. This is a video of last years CO silencer shoot understand the microphone limits peak noise so it is not what it would be like if you are there. It does however give you and idea. Understand we did not shoot any unsupressed weapons.

In the middle of the video Alucard is shooting a suppressed pistol and you here a lot of F/A sonic noise......that is my M16 it is not as bad as you think when your there. It is very quiet compared to an ar with no suppressor.

Just my .02

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZLOS2hmFRg

[rondog]

To me a supressed AR sounds like a .22 unsupressed it is all in your perspective. Circuts described it great and I have never thought of it that way. This is a video of last years CO silencer shoot understand the microphone limits peak noise so it is not what it would be like if you are there. It does however give you and idea. Understand we did not shoot any unsupressed weapons.

In the middle of the video Alucard is shooting a suppressed pistol and you here a lot of F/A sonic noise......that is my M16 it is not as bad as you think when your there. It is very quiet compared to an ar with no suppressor.

Just my .02

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZLOS2hmFRg

That's really cool! I've always wanted to experience a silencer, now I've GOT to come to one of your shoots!

[MPfiveengineer]

You can shoot .22 through a .223 can all you want, but as the .223 suppressor is designed for a much faster, higher-pressure round



Many suppressor manufactures state in their manuals not to shoot .22 through a .223 suppressor because .22lr is a VERY dirty round and will begin to cake up lead and powder on the baffles (this also happens on a .22 suppressor). Then when you put a .223 round through the same suppressor the higher pressure round will break the remnants of the .22 rounds loose and cause problems. Personally I put a few .22 rounds through my .223 suppressor just to hear it, but it is definitely not something I would do a lot of.

BTW, a .223 suppress does a very good job suppressing a .22 despite having a different baffle design because of the increased volume over a .22 can.

[shrapmetal]

i have a 22lr and a 223. i think the 22lr is way cooler than the 223 and a lot cheaper. i have gemtecs an outback2 and a halo

[Circuits]

Many suppressor manufactures state in their manuals not to shoot .22 through a .223 suppressor because .22lr is a VERY dirty round and will begin to cake up lead and powder on the baffles (this also happens on a .22 suppressor). Then when you put a .223 round through the same suppressor the higher pressure round will break the remnants of the .22 rounds loose and cause problems. Personally I put a few .22 rounds through my .223 suppressor just to hear it, but it is definitely not something I would do a lot of.

BTW, a .223 suppress does a very good job suppressing a .22 despite having a different baffle design because of the increased volume over a .22 can.

My experience has differed - .22 through a .223 can is much louder to me than .22 through a .22 can on the same rifle.

We'll have to agree to disagree on .22 through a .223 can... Most firearm manuals state you should never, ever shoot anything but fresh, new factory ammo, but we all shoot reloads without much worry. I see the "no .22" statement in the same light as the "no reloads" statement - it's a CYA and you can do what you like if you do so with care.

Anecdotally, a customer who bought his AAC Pilot from me a few years ago, fired some 20k rounds through it, and its dry weight went up from the stock 2.5 (or so) ounces to almost 6 ounces with soot, debris and leading. He reported was able to give a good lead-removing soak and scrub-down and get it back down under 3 ounces dry weight.

[Great-Kazoo]

i'm able to shoot .223 suppressed using a Halo unit on both my ar & ak w/out any hearing protection.
what i've really come to like is using the Halo on my 77/22mag using fmj & jhp it's like shooting the aquiliar red box .22
go with a .22lr suppressor as a first investment, then go from there. a lot of folks like the outback, i prefer the Tac-65 unit. but then again some like bushmaster others like colt (it's your choice)
you provide the ammo and you're more then welcome to road test my suppressor capable rifles.