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Yeah, I'm starting it again, I'm predicting a solid whipping by Ryan. Biden is going to have some good numbers and the experience, but ultimately he is not prepared as well as Ryan, will have plenty of slip-ups and Bidenisms.
Yeah, I'm starting it again, I'm predicting a solid whipping by Ryan. Biden is going to have some good numbers and the experience, but ultimately he is not prepared as well as Ryan, will have plenty of slip-ups and Bidenisms.
Looking forward to political debate PLUS some comedy from BinBiden.
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2012, 18:20
Yeah, I'm starting it again, I'm predicting a solid whipping by Ryan. Biden is going to have some good numbers and the experience, but ultimately he is not prepared as well as Ryan, will have plenty of slip-ups and Bidenisms.
And If biden kicks Ryan's ass then what, You going to fly VFR tonight?
I'm not to up about the debate, too many things going on.
Even worse will be the R / O hometown debate, odds say they will stack the deck against Romney with "undecided" voters who happen to be registered D's
Here we go!
Martha Raditz of ABC news is moderating.
domestic and foreign policy issues.
9 segments.
vice president biden won the coin toss to answer first
Biden pretty intent on finding the people that did the attack.
now he is telling the people how great obama did with the situation, how poorly Romney responded.
Tinelement
10-11-2012, 19:06
So basically this thread is another......
Fuck both the pricks.......
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:06
Ryan's lapel flag is bigger.
Ryan saying it took Obama 2 weeks to even call it a terrorist attack, wondering why the president even considers what the romney/ryan thinks and isn't taking care of business finding the people instead of talking to the UN.
Ryan thank our troops, we owe them for their service.
Ryan has something in his pin, just like Romeny did.
Biden and Obama have the same pin as well.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:08
Joe Biden knows he's fucked. That's why he's grinning like a jackass.
oh god help me from getting sucked into this thread
Biden is laughing while Ryan is speaking. said Ryan did not say a single thing that was truthful
Biden just said about 12 um um uh uhs in a row[ROFL1]
This is starting off pretty weak. It is more like a Fox news debate table which is just talks and talks instead of great points as to what is happening, what they are going to do about it. It is more of a pissing thread on how Obama acted, Biden supporting him, Ryan attacking him etc.
You can tell Ryan is struggling a little bit to get the exact info out that he wants to say, he is kind of searching back to his recent debate training on a few things.
Tinelement
10-11-2012, 19:13
You guys should be debating OCC and Jesse James.
About the same
"its unravveling before our eyes" "lets talk about ira......"
Biotch: "lets move to iran.. i want to talk about iran...."
Seriously-DILLIGAFF?
It would, however, take a real effort to make Biden look like more of an idiot than he can manage on his own...
Tinelement
10-11-2012, 19:14
So you guys seriously buy into this shit???
Ryan wants to keep Iran from getting Nukes, calling out Obama on not putting enough sanctions on them and doing enough to stop them from getting people and supplies for nukes.
So you guys seriously buy into this shit???
I'm kind of Bored with the whole thing, I don't really think they are doing a good job jabbing at each other, I don't see any nice deep cuts to either party. This is like watching female MMA.
Hopefully something will spark them soon
Biden says US and Israel are very very up to date on where Iran is at on their nuke program. says they don't have any weapons yet.
Biden: "incredible... ha ha..." "period.. period.."
Tinelement
10-11-2012, 19:18
You guys let me know how entertainment tonight is.....
[ROFL1]
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/24525217.jpg
I wish this b!tch would stfu. Not really into moderator commentary.
I'm kind of Bored with the whole thing, I don't really think they are doing a good job jabbing at each other, I don't see any nice deep cuts to either party. This is like watching female MMA.
Hopefully something will spark them soon
You find female MMA boring???
The first round submission by arm bar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey
Soooo much better than watching two dudes grapple for three minutes while laying their weight on the other guy.
Is there a debate tonight? Who knew? [ROFL1]
still talking about Iran, not really much going on, just a pretty peaceful talk amongst the 3. Biden saying Iran is getting the material but doesn't have the weapon.
Ryan, after lots of water....I think he will have to pee before this is over, says we need make sure they don't get the material, don't get the weapon and take action if necessary to keep them from doing so.
You find female MMA boring???
The first round submission by arm bar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey
Soooo much better than watching two dudes grapple for three minutes while laying their weight on the other guy.
Is there a debate tonight? Who knew? [ROFL1]
Yeah, most of the time. I have watched a lot of female fights. while the men also can have their boring fights, typically in the superlight weights, there are at least a lot higher percentages of great knockouts!
oh snap biden brought up the 47%
I think Ryan needs to tell him that 47% is a losing number and he hopes that's all Obama/Biden get come election day!
OH SNAP, Ryan just threw hometown unemployment percentage. Bidens hometown is 10%, was 8.5% when Obama came into office. Heading in the wrong direction.
Ryan is throwing down the 5 point plan. getting American energy independent by the end of the decade.
Tinelement
10-11-2012, 19:28
My family owed a True Value in Janesville
Not there no mer
Romney apparently met a family who had a bad car accident, and ended up inviting them over for christmas, and covered the kids college! Where is obama doing that with his own money.
HAHA, great jab in the ribs by Ryan about the poor public speaking skills of Biden.[ROFL1]
Biden talking how great Obama did by saving a million jobs by bailing out the auto industry while Romeny would have let them fail.
The thing is...the auto industry would not have failed. Someone would have filled in, new cars would still be made, downsizing would be done and they would come back once people started buying again.
At least these guys do a great job at listening and stopping when told to keep the debate going.
Ryan throwing out some good numbers belittling obama, and enforcing their plan to get America going.
Ryan got called out for asking for stimulus money twice. He admitted he was sending out for Grant money.[Stooge]
Ryan talking about Reforming SS for age 54 and below. not to hurt the people in retirement, early retirement or the people getting benefits now.
Biden talking how great Obama did by saving a million jobs by bailing out the auto industry while Romeny would have let them fail.
The thing is...the auto industry would not have failed. Someone would have filled in, new cars would still be made, downsizing would be done and they would come back once people started buying again.
Exactly right, and if Bush had let those banks fail in 07-08 and not started the hugely wasteful TARP program then solvent banks would have purchased the assets and we'd be past the mess that we are still in now.
Businesses need a natural selection cycle just like plants and animals, the government interferes in the natural business cycle and it hurts everyone in the long run.
Ryan saying there is a board of 15 people to be appointed, the Board will basically have to make cuts which will ultimately cut benefits even to current people on medicare and SS
Biden threw out a jab about Sarah Palin talking about the death panel![ROFL1]
Biden says they will not privatize SS.
Biden threw out a jab about Sarah Palin talking about the death panel![ROFL1]
So Biden is fighting the ghost of Sarah Palin (straw man), that is because he cannot adequately argue against the points that Ryan is making.
Ryan saying Obama used medicare as a piggy bank for Obamacare.
nice jab by Ryan
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:40
Man, Joe is a jerk.
LOL Ryan just said Biden is under a lot of duress trying to make up for lost ground.
I'm not really thinking anyone is winning here[ROFL1]
Biden says they will not privatize SS.
I don't want SS privatized, I want it suspended and then eliminated. Give my my 8% and I'll decide how to invest it.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:41
I don't want SS privatized, I want it suspended and then eliminated. Give my my 8% and I'll decide how to invest it.
Wouldn't that be nice? Too bad we can't be trusted to make our own decisions.
Getting tried of Biden laughing and interrupting. What an effing tool.
Even Martha is asking Biden why he is against raising the age.
He went off on the voucher program which Ryan said Romeny is not for or even talking about.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:43
Stop interrupting him, Joe!
Ryan sided with Bush to privatize SS for younger people.
Honestly, I'm 27. I'd rather keep my own money, take care of thing myself.
Joe is like the annoying kid that keeps interrupting.
Ryan said Joe doesn't have a record to run on, and is a scare tactic[ROFL1]
I would struggle not to bitch slap Joe
Biden calling Medicare and SS a guaranteed benefit and that people like Joes family can't afford it....last time I looked Joe made something like 300K last year, or more. I think he can afford it.
800 million-billion dollars[ROFL1]
nice number Joe! Sounds like Dr Evil
Ryan sided with Bush to privatize SS for younger people.
Honestly, I'm 27. I'd rather keep my own money, take care of thing myself.
Get the .gov out of my life.
I'll be 50 next year, I'll get zero from SS, let me try to add to my current retirement plan with that 8%.
Biden saying the republicans are holding hostage the middle class tax cut for the wealthy people tax cut.
High income is considered 200K a year for indv. or 250K a year for families.
Sorry Joe, but that isn't THAT much money anymore. give it 15-25 years and that will be middle class money. fuck that.
Ryan is definitely in touch with the taxes. 2/3s of our jobs come from small business.
53% will see increases in their taxes costing over 700K jobs.
they don't want to increase the deficit.
Rust_shackleford
10-11-2012, 19:49
A conservative talking up socialist programs and wealth redistribution yeah I should vote for Romney/Ryan
Rust_shackleford
10-11-2012, 19:51
Ryan sided with Bush to privatize SS for younger people.
Honestly, I'm 27. I'd rather keep my own money, take care of thing myself.
But you'll starve to death in your old age
1.2 trillion raised in income taxes.
basically 20% tax reduction is what Romney/Ryan want to accomplish.
SuperiorDG
10-11-2012, 19:51
Joe needs to stop interrupting. WTF [Bang]
But you'll starve to death in your old age
I doubt it. I don't need the .gov to hand me a check. I'd rather try to make it myself and keep all my own money then let the .gov steal it from my paycheck to "MAYBE" see it in 50 years.
The VB acts like he feels threatened by all this.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 19:53
A conservative talking up socialist programs and wealth redistribution yeah I should vote for Romney/Ryan
He's talking about reforming them. What's the alternative?
Sorry it took so long to check in- but as a former intelligence professional, I want to say a big FUCK YOU to VP Biden for throwing my intelligence community brothers and sisters under the bus by blaming them for a "failure" your goddamn administration caused! BTDTGTTS- it's learned in DAY ZERO: You must be very careful what you present to higher; say the wrong thing, report something prematurely, or give the wrong info and you spin up folks in the wrong direction- ensure you report the accurate information to those above you. If it took 24 hours to figure out it was a terrorist attack (and then that was decided as the final word)- so for those 24 hours, I know the intel folks who report to the WH put their index finger up and said "Give us a little more time, we don't have a definite answer for you at this time."
SuperiorDG
10-11-2012, 19:54
Is this bitch a replacement ref?
Biden calling Medicare and SS a guaranteed benefit and that people like Joes family can't afford it....last time I looked Joe made something like 300K last year, or more. I think he can afford it.
Medicare, Medicaid, and SS are unfunded liabilities to the tune of 100 Trillion plus. This means that the government has NO MONEY in reserve to pay for these promises.
We're entering the time when the baby boomers, the largest subset of the population, is entering the period of time when their medical costs start to sky rocket.
There are not enough people employed and earning enough money to pay the taxes required to cover these costs. These costs include the medications, doctors and nurses, and the GIANT government bureaucracy to administer these programs.
Some group of American citizens is going to have to pay the price. For 30 years both parties have been putting those costs on your children and grandchildren.
Joe keeps laughing like this is all just some big joke, like alls well in America land.......I can't wait to see if he's still laughing when he looses his VP seat here next month....
ANADRILL
10-11-2012, 19:55
Biden saying the republicans are holding hostage the middle class tax cut for the wealthy people tax cut.
High income is considered 200K a year for indv. or 250K a year for families.
Sorry Joe, but that isn't THAT much money anymore. give it 15-25 years and that will be middle class money. fuck that.
Well Said
Ryan saying Romney some how worked with democrats in MA and made things work
THEY DO NOT NEED IT MARTHA. Joe Bidens words in response to the wealthy people making over a million a year getting taxed more.
$800 billion a year in increased revenue from letting wealthy tax cuts expire.
97% of small businesses make under 250K a year according to Joe biden.
Ryan definitely paying tribute to our troops, the great sacrifice they make.
battle_sight_zero
10-11-2012, 19:58
The moderator sucks. She needs to moderate and keep her mouth shut. Biden interupting sucks too. Freaking cluster bleep of a debate.
Shut up Biden let Ryan talk this is stupid.
Ryan saying the better thing to do is to take into account what the commanders need, get them the troops/supplies they need and make sure the gains that have been made are kept and that it doesn't again become a breeding ground for al qaeda and terrorism.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 20:00
Yeah, this debate kinda sucks.
Biden saying the republicans are holding hostage the middle class tax cut for the wealthy people tax cut.
High income is considered 200K a year for indv. or 250K a year for families.
Sorry Joe, but that isn't THAT much money anymore. give it 15-25 years and that will be middle class money. fuck that.
Pure bullshit.
The Democrats have no plans and no solutions because they don't see a problem. Remember the Soviet Union? That is what the (D) envision for us, an elite upper class and everyone else is dirt poor.
At least the GOP will admit there is a problem and they are trying to come up with solutions.
ChadAmberg
10-11-2012, 20:01
I've met Joe "Math is hard!!" Biden a couple times. He's a total tool in real life of course. I'm sure Ryan has to hold back so that the news tomorrow doesn't say "Republican Beats Up Old Man on Stage."
NightCat
10-11-2012, 20:01
If Joe will shut the fuck up and stop cutting off the congressman then MAYBE, he would LISTEN to what the congressman is saying and maybe learn something instead of smirking and chuckling at the congressmans well thought out plans.
Lets here your plan Mr. Vice President? oh whats that...you dont have one? you'd rather just point the finger any other people...thats what I thought.
A conservative talking up socialist programs and wealth redistribution yeah I should vote for Romney/Ryan
He's talking about reforming them. What's the alternative?
Rust_shackleford - present a solution for us to think about. I'm sure Gary has a solution, why don't you present it.
Biden is pressing, really looking like a dick in the process. Over-coached, over-played role and coming across like some irrational character in a sitcom.
How many times is Joe gonna say "Super wealthy"? What a dunce! Didn't they already address that issue in Denver?
Biden saying it is responsibility of Afghanistan to take of their own security, get our guys out by 2014. Ryan is agreeing. wants to make sure things go smoothly, remaining troops are not shorted of supplies etc and go out strong, not trickle out.
WE WILL LEAVE IN 2014. Bidens words.
If Joe will shut the fuck up and stop cutting off the congressman then MAYBE, he would LISTEN to what the congressman is saying and maybe learn something instead of smirking and chuckling at the congressmans well thought out plans.
Lets here your plan Mr. Vice President? oh whats that...you dont have one? you'd rather just point the finger any other people...thats what I thought.
Joe cannot argue the points, Joe is doing what Obama did during the first debate.
The (D) has no game, only misinformation and misdirection.
spqrzilla
10-11-2012, 20:03
Joe Biden - a stroke patient one heartbeat away from the Presidency.
That's scares the crap out of me everytime I think about it. Obama picked the dumbest moron in the Senate, not exactly a bastion of intellect to start with, for Vice President.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 20:04
Rust_shackleford - present a solution for us to think about. I'm sure Gary has a solution, why don't you present it.
Yep, I would like to hear it as well. You're pretty good at bitching Rusty, let's hear some solutions.
Biden is saying that the Afghan security needs to step up and take care of the fighting, we will train them in our own bases and make sure they are up to speed and get our guys home by 2014.
I agree with this.
Yep, I would like to hear it as well. You're pretty good at bitching Rusty, let's hear some solutions.
[ROFL1]
wow, Biden honestly looks very upset!
battle_sight_zero
10-11-2012, 20:06
Damm squished face moderator. Please moderate
KestrelBike
10-11-2012, 20:07
Biden is pressing, really looking like a dick in the process. Over-coached, over-played role and coming across like some irrational character in a sitcom.
My dumbf*** "friend" on Facebook said "oh man Biden's on fire!" [M2]
KestrelBike
10-11-2012, 20:08
Hahahaha Biden just totally threw afghan army under the bus (not that they don't deserve it!!)
Biden kind of threw a smackdown to Ryan there.
Ryan saying they took too many troops out, Biden said they were replaced with Afghan security to fight the taliban and sending US troops home, ultimately making the country responsible for itself.
hollohas
10-11-2012, 20:09
All I have learned is Joe is a huge DICK. Laugh it up you tool.
Also, the moderator sucks...but guess what, she and Bama go WAY back. He was a guest at her 1991 wedding. Her exhusband was a campaign advisor for Bama in 2008 too. Eventhough she devorced him before that, I suspect she shares many of the same views as the people she has surrounded herself with in the past and her attitude during the debate seems to support that suspicion.
Biden is controlling this segment IMO.
battle_sight_zero
10-11-2012, 20:11
Biden made the Afghanistan war sound like it seasonal. I guess if I take his word the American men and women there are some type of hunting season.
I got my muzzie buck tag. Freaking idiot
oh snap
abortion
and religion.
Ryan on abortion: Faith informs us in everything we do. How to make sure people have a chance in life.
Ryan is pro-life. catholic.
Ryan said because of reason and science he is pro life.
personal story about his 7 week ultrasound for his daughter.
he believes life begins at conception.
Romeny ticket will be against abortion except in cases of rape and incest and life of the mother.
Brought up tax payer funding with obamacare and foreign funding for abortions.
Biden: practicing catholic his whole life. wife is a social doctor (?)
he accepts his churches judgement that life begins at conception but refuses to impose that on everyone.
He doesn't think that women should be told how they control their bodies, sides with the supreme court.
The nest president will get 1 or 2 supreme court nominees according to joe biden.
absolute biggest reason that obama needs to lose.
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 20:21
Ryan's water got refilled. Maybe he has multiple cups.
Just said that Romney would select someone from the far right...Ryan didn't get a chance to respond...he really needed to bring up the far left Sotomayer, and Keagan.
/snip
He doesn't think that women should be told how they control their bodies, sides with the supreme court.
How magnanimous. He stands against freedom of speech, firearms ownership, freedom of choice in healthcare and education, and he stands against many other freedoms.
This is pissing me off- Biden doesn't know dick or shit about Afghanistan (I had to pause to cook dinner so I'm about 10min behind). He's never been to the REAL Afghanistan. The ANA and ANP (Afghan army and police) get paid IIRC (and this is as of 2009) $5/wk which is about the equivalent of someone making $40K/yr here, when AQ, the Taliban, The Haqqani Network (who we had on our radar since 2006 as an Anti-Coalition/Anti-Afghan Force aka Terrorists- but only this year Hillary the Dipshit declared them a terrorist group), etc. offer them $10/wk to kill Americans, they take the better paying deal. Afghans are just poor people- they're looking out for #1, them and their family. But they are also about the most lazy folks I've ever had the privilege of meeting and working with (anyone remember what I said last week about "Enshallah"?). I don't think this is a quick-fix type of situation where we can just pull out in 2014... It has to be conditional or the situation will deteriorate to a worse spot than it was in in the 1990's... They'll be bolstered because they'll be 2-0 against superpowers.
Ryan's water got refilled. Maybe he has multiple cups.
think he peed his pants? he sure drank a lot.
The nest president will get 1 or 2 supreme court nominees according to joe biden.
absolute biggest reason that obama needs to lose.
Yes. We cannot have another Sotomayer or Kegan on the Supreme Court.
think he peed his pants? he sure drank a lot.
Depends....maybe he has a big bladder. [Tooth]
Ryan bringing up the last 4 years, great points so far about what obama said, numbers of people losing benefits, losing jobs, tax increases due to obamacare, spending out of control, no plan by obama to fix the deficit.
wow they each have 3 glasses of water by them![ROFL1] Ryan needs a damn hose[ROFL1]
Ryan really pushing their 5 point plan!
"I never say anything i don't mean" Joe Biden.
wow...Biden won another coin toss to do the first closing statement. guess this aint like football.
Ryan is sucking, Biden sucked more though thankfully.
Biden saying all the lower class people just need a shot, an even playing field. Him and obama won't rest until those people get that chance.
[Bang]
Ryan closing statement:
Obama has had 4 years, he has failed, increased deficit, not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve better.
him and romney want to ear your support.
Mitt Romney is experience, is uniquely qualified as a JOB CREATOR.
Choice is clear. Stagnant economy with more .gov dependancy, or a job creator with the experience and background to get this country moving without .gov oversight.
great closing statement by Ryan, really talked TO the people and asked them for the vote![Beer]
Sharpienads
10-11-2012, 20:33
Ryan is sucking, Biden sucked more though thankfully.
Agreed, kinda. I was expecting more out of him, but I don't think he got through a complete sentence without being interrupted. But I was disappointed.
Joe Biden is an asshole. That's just about all I got out of the debate.
commentator saying Biden was on offense, Ryan was on defense and stayed very cool calm and collected throughout the debate.
female commentator saying biden got every last word, his goal was to play cleanup due to obamas lackluster performance[ROFL1]
SuperiorDG
10-11-2012, 20:35
Sniper7 should have been the moderator. [Beer]
"We gotta tackle this debt crisis before it tackles us." -Paul Ryan, future VP! Well said!
Biden saying all the lower class people just need a shot, an even playing field. Him and obama won't rest until those people get that chance.
[Bang]
Much like the Special Olympics, everyone is a winner, everyone gets a prize...
BPTactical
10-11-2012, 20:36
I did something productive with my time.
Hey, Delfuego- your bolt knobs are done!
Listened to it a bit, Biden talked down to Ryan like he was scolding a child it seemed.
Condescending prick IMHO
Biden saying all the lower class people just need a shot, an even playing field. Him and obama won't rest until those people get that chance.
[Bang]
Biden does not understand the basic human precept of equality of opportunity.
The lower class doesn't need the government, they need the opportunity to be human instead of being treated like they are stupid and NEED the government to survive.
they are bringing up the 47% speech now that Biden brought up.
What about the small business comment "you didn't build that" comment by Obama.
Romeny I don't believe brought that up, hopefully he will on the last one.
Sniper7 should have been the moderator. [Beer]
Maybe I have a future?[Tooth]
commentators bringing up the "jobs report"
but Ryan brought up the 10% unemployment in Bidens home town. yet those people really need to have equal opportunity[ROFL1]
hollohas
10-11-2012, 20:40
WE WILL LEAVE IN 2014. Bidens words.
They're on track with their Gitmo plans....
NightCat
10-11-2012, 20:40
I thought Ryan was very professional about it and was very good at delivering his points and plans properly.
Set it out, step 1,2,3. while Joe was too busy trying to discredit.
As I believe this years election is all based around, that Obama/Biden have never set forth a plan as the congressman mentioned, "how do you get a plan from a speech?"
There isnt one...
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 20:40
Ryan didn't suck. He stuck to the Romney/Ryan plan and articulated it well.
Biden? I'm gonna disagree with most of you. I think he did well. Surprisingly well. Not because anything he said was true of his administration but because he said very well what liberals want to hear. True or not that plays well with his/Obama's base. Yes, he was annoying, condescending and smug to anyone who cared to look objectively...but his base isn't interested in that.
So, from that perspective, Biden did much better than I thought he would and I seriously under-estimated his ability.
Ryan was pragmatic and stuck to specifics and facts.
But I think this one was much closer than the Romney/Obama debate.
Maybe I have a future?[Tooth]
I'd put you there!
Great closing statement Ryan! Great! Yes, uniquely qualified to get the job done!
Biden said to the camera "who do you trust"? multiple times....
I don't trust any of them honestly, but I believe more of Romney/Ryan than I do Obama/Biden....already saw 4 years of their BS.
They're on track with their Gitmo plans....
True True[Beer]
His words, not mine[Tooth]
for giggles you should check out DU and see their opinion on how joe schooled the little punk kid
NightCat
10-11-2012, 20:43
Ryan didn't suck. He stuck to the Romney/Ryan plan and articulated it well.
Biden? I'm gonna disagree with most of you. I think he did well. Surprisingly well. Not because anything he said was true of his administration but because he said very well what liberals want to hear. True or not that plays well with his/Obama's base. Yes, he was annoying, condescending and smug to anyone who cared to look objectively...but his base isn't interested in that.
So, from that perspective, Biden did much better than I thought he would and I seriously under-estimated his ability.
Ryan was pragmatic and stuck to specifics and facts.
But I think this one was much closer than the Romney/Obama debate.
well said, I absolutely agree
Ryan didn't suck. He stuck to the Romney/Ryan plan and articulated it well.
Biden? I'm gonna disagree with most of you. I think he did well. Surprisingly well. Not because anything he said was true of his administration but because he said very well what liberals want to hear. True or not that plays well with his/Obama's base. Yes, he was annoying, condescending and smug to anyone who cared to look objectively...but his base isn't interested in that.
So, from that perspective, Biden did much better than I thought he would and I seriously under-estimated his ability.
Ryan was pragmatic and stuck to specifics and facts.
But I think this one was much closer than the Romney/Obama debate.
Yep, he definitely was very aggressive, he tried to look like the guy speaking to the middle class, tried to make up for Obama, did a pretty good job without Bidenisms, only a couple.
Ryan wasn't offensive enough, he made a couple good jabs and a crack shot about Bidenisms.
Democrats saying Biden had the energy that obama lacked...wait...who is running for president?
Republicans saying Biden was unhinged, wouldn't let Ryan speak and knew he was losing and looked upset on camera.
they are saying the independants might very well be turned off by bidens performance and how he attacked Ryan. Ryan stayed cool, calm and collected. Biden was unhinged, aggressive and wouldn't let ryan speak. It helped Obamas base, but maybe the undecided voters got turned off[Beer]
alright, I'm out, it is going to be all commercials now, crappy journalism and blah blah blah about how the debate went. I typed it out as best as I could, I threw out my opinion.
mike9905
10-11-2012, 20:47
Because Biden is a lying piece of bs and Ryan is too polite.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 20:47
they are saying the independants might very well be turned off by bidens performance and how he attacked Ryan. Ryan stayed cool, calm and collected. Biden was unhinged, aggressive and wouldn't let ryan speak. It helped Obamas base, but maybe the undecided voters got turned off[Beer]
Yeah, I dunno. Mostly because for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could be undecided. I find that whole premise just incredible.
WTF? How can you not know who you're going to vote for?
I don't like how Ryan dodged questions and used the time to go on obamacare rants.
But Biden couldn't keep track of all the numbers floating around in his head.
I think the debate was a draw, honestly.
Yeah, I dunno. Mostly because for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could be undecided. I find that whole premise just incredible.
WTF? How can you not know who you're going to vote for?
You hate both options?
I don't like how Ryan dodged questions and used the time to go on obamacare rants.
But Biden couldn't keep track of all the numbers floating around in his head.
I think the debate was a draw, honestly.
You hate both options?
Yeah I think that is the consensus. I know I would much rather have Ryan as a backup to president than Biden.
NightCat
10-11-2012, 20:49
Knock Knock, Who's there? Interrupting Joe Biden...MALARKY!
There is an official debate thread. join there and speak your mind
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2012, 20:54
Yeah, I dunno. Mostly because for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could be undecided. I find that whole premise just incredible.
WTF? How can you not know who you're going to vote for?
Easy. How many members don't know what the wait time is, for CCW permits where they live?
Hell the board, IMHO, has an easy 5-10% left of center train of thought.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 20:54
You hate both options?
I suppose. But how's that going to help you? Ideological dogmatism doesn't solve your problem. It just leads to more frustration. But whatever makes you happy...
Yeah I think that is the consensus. I know I would much rather have Ryan as a backup to president than Biden.
I don't know. Biden's fun. He's like the senile grandpa in the White House.
"Oh now you're Jack Kennedy!?"
That was funny as hell, I don't care.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 20:58
I don't know. Biden's fun. He's like the senile grandpa in the White House.
"Oh now you're Jack Kennedy!?"
That was funny as hell, I don't care.
No...it was typical Biden stupidity, in my opinion. Ryan said nothing of the sort. It strikes me as only being funny if you're really not paying attention. I'm sure Obama/Biden supporters thought it was a real knee-slapper,too.
No...it was typical Biden stupidity, in my opinion. Ryan said nothing of the sort. It strikes me as only being funny if you're really not paying attention. I'm sure Obama/Biden supporters thought it was a real knee-slapper,too.
He directly compared his and Romney's plans to those of Kennedy. He left himself wide open for it.
I don't know. Biden's fun. He's like the senile grandpa in the White House.
"Oh now you're Jack Kennedy!?"
That was funny as hell, I don't care.
at the end of the day, you don't hear shit about the VP hardly at all. The prez is who matters, and I know who i am voting for. I just hope the undecided join me.
Teufelhund
10-11-2012, 21:02
I watched it, mostly because I thought it was going to be entertaining to watch a retard get poked with a stick. It did not go down as expected.
I was unimpressed by both of them. Biden was his typical bumbling self; every time he opened his mouth to let numbers fall out, they were the wrong ones. He was, however, passionate, decisive, and engaged by each topic. Ryan was cool and collected, avoided answering most questions directly, and generally seemed like a salesman who does not believe in the product.
Ryan should have had Biden crying by the end of his two minutes on the economy; all the numbers are there to make an indisputable case. Instead, he told a little anecdote that I can't even remember. He crushed Biden in the closing statements though. If I had to score it, I'd call it a draw.
at the end of the day, you don't hear shit about the VP hardly at all. The prez is who matters, and I know who i am voting for. I just hope the undecided join me.
The prez is who "matters." He's a figurehead, like the Queen. At most, he can attempt to guide Congress in their endeavors. But that is it. It's the lawmakers in Congress that are the real change in government.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 21:04
He directly compared his and Romney's plans to those of Kennedy. He left himself wide open for it.
Yeah...so was the specific comparison accurate or not?
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 21:06
The prez is who "matters." He's a figurehead, like the Queen. At most, he can attempt to guide Congress in their endeavors. But that is it. It's the lawmakers in Congress that are the real change in government.
I don't think I could disagree with that entire statement more.
BPTactical
10-11-2012, 21:06
Who would you rather have if the President was unable to perform the job?
Pretty clear choice to me.
Who would you rather have if the President was unable to perform the job?
Pretty clear choice to me.
If something were to happen that incapacitated the President, I'd want a jester to cheer me up because something horrific has happened.
Ryan didn't suck. He stuck to the Romney/Ryan plan and articulated it well.
Biden? I'm gonna disagree with most of you. I think he did well. Surprisingly well. Not because anything he said was true of his administration but because he said very well what liberals want to hear. True or not that plays well with his/Obama's base. Yes, he was annoying, condescending and smug to anyone who cared to look objectively...but his base isn't interested in that.
So, from that perspective, Biden did much better than I thought he would and I seriously under-estimated his ability.
Ryan was pragmatic and stuck to specifics and facts.
But I think this one was much closer than the Romney/Obama debate.
Agreed.... Well said.
buffalobo
10-11-2012, 21:11
Lousy format, no real debate, just presenting "plans". That's what campaigns are for.
Present question/topic and have back and forth between candidates. Sniper7 doesn't moderate, he referees. If one or the other gets long winded, interrupts, talks over etc., he bitch slaps them to get back on track. Let them beat the hell outta each other and shred their platforms. They can be polite and civil but need to get down to business.
Lost 20 bucks to my wife. Bet how bad Biden would gaff. Had to agree he made no major ones and the only one I could remember was "I never say anything I don't mean". She laughed and said that he had several days to dry out and get coached.
NightCat
10-11-2012, 21:12
Who would you rather have if the President was unable to perform the job?
Pretty clear choice to me.
Ryan...
Not that senile old inappropriate douchebag one heartbeat from a stroke.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/246700_4201912459043_2138314524_n.jpg
buffalobo
10-11-2012, 21:19
At the end of the day Biden only makes a good court jester. Goofy great uncle maybe. Kinda scary he having him that close to the presidency.
At the end of the day Biden only makes a good court jester. Goofy great uncle maybe. Kinda scary he having him that close to the presidency.
He's got more experience in government than any of the other 3 guys...probably put together.
hollohas
10-11-2012, 21:23
He's got more experience in government than any of the other 3 guys...probably put together.
Is that a good thing?
Is that a good thing?
If any of the 4 of them had to run the country, he'd be the most qualified.
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:26
Biden shut the f,, up and Ryan put down the water mixed opinion , but Republican all the way
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 21:27
If any of the 4 of them had to run the country, he'd be the most qualified.
[Bang][Bang][Bang]
AYFKM?
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:27
If any of the 4 of them had to run the country, he'd be the most qualified.
pony power[Beer]
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:28
[Bang][Bang][Bang]
AYFKM??????
NightCat
10-11-2012, 21:29
?????
Are You Fucking Kidding Me
(AYFKM)
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 21:29
I'm gonna have to go hang out on DailyKos... Shit's getting a little to weird here for me.
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:30
Carl who what me or
Palin on FNC right now making some good points, Ryan should have gone after Biden on domestic energy a little harder! Doesn't hurt that she is quite easy on the eyes IMHO.
Best line of the night though:
"When it comes to speaking up for our values, we should never apologize for those!" -Paul Ryan.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2012, 21:31
Carl who what me or
I think I finished my edit just as you posted. Go back and reread.
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:32
bad pony ''ridge''
bad pony ''ridge''
neigh i say
BPTactical
10-11-2012, 21:39
If something were to happen that incapacitated the President, I'd want a jester to cheer me up because something horrific has happened.
Just like Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
Head, meet sand.
The fact that Biden has been a Pollytickian for 30+ years is the exact reason I would not want him.
Selfish, career politicians are one big reason we are seriously fawked.
I see him and Obama both having one very undesirable trait:
They will stop at nothing to achieve their agenda.
History has seen this type before, Stalin, PolPot, Mao, Duvale etc.
Evil.
lol, Biden is a bronie[ROFL1]
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:41
i take it the the pony is barn sower [ROFL1]
spittoon
10-11-2012, 21:45
weird
http://puu.sh/1dP0Y
I always thought Mitt was down with Gangnam Style.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you're_no_Jack_Kennedy
ChunkyMonkey
10-11-2012, 22:05
CNN Poll for those who believe in polls... winner of debate? Ryan 48% Biden 44%. They gave 4% bonus point to Biden for interrupting 82 times.
wow, I'm impressed. looks like the media is liking the Romney/Ryan debate performance. hopefully the american people feel that way.
ChunkyMonkey
10-11-2012, 22:09
http://www.denverpost.com/
60% to 34% Ryan...
Joe Biden. The vice president kept his foot out of his mouth and evened the debate score for the Democrats.http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/std/polls_results.gif 486 Votes, or 40.60 %Paul Ryan. The Wisconsin congressman continued the Republicans' strong showing in this year s debates.http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/std/polls_results.gif 653 Votes, or 54.55 %
tmleadr03
10-11-2012, 22:25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you're_no_Jack_Kennedy
Snort. I laughed when he tried to do that.
So far the libs just make themselves look weak when they attack Romney.
yTCRwi71_ns
BPTactical
10-11-2012, 22:34
What if public opinion see's Ryan as a clear winner?
The administration is back on their heels now, dealing with Libya amongst other things.
A Ryan win would really toss them into tailspin.
October surprise anyone?
Great-Kazoo
10-11-2012, 22:46
If any of the 4 of them had to run the country, he'd be the most qualified.
No he would be the most senior. Qualified is not a word to describe Biden.
DAVE. WTF you're an alright guy (easy on the eyes[ROFL1]) Most of the non pony shit you post fits in.
HOWEVER You need to put the pipe down brudda. You latest shit i've been reading has me believe either one of the left leaning newbies from ft collins or denver hacked your account.
OR that pony shit been in your ass too many times for you to separate fantasy from reality.
The radiation from all the on line gaming you do fucked up your brain dude, fucked it up.[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
No he would be the most senior. Qualified is not a word to describe Biden.
DAVE. WTF you're an alright guy (easy on the eyes[ROFL1]) Most of the non pony shit you post fits in.
HOWEVER You need to put the pipe down brudda. You latest shit i've been reading has me believe either one of the left leaning newbies from ft collins or denver hacked your account.
OR that pony shit been in your ass too many times for you to separate fantasy from reality.
The radiation from all the on line gaming you do fucked up your brain dude, fucked it up.[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
Quoted for awesomeness, hilariousness and as Charlie Sheen would say....WINNING[ROFL1]
Bailey Guns
10-12-2012, 05:45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you're_no_Jack_Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you%27re_no_Jack_Kennedy)
It's really not hard to comprehend if you listen and you're paying attention:
ON ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN
RYAN: You can -- you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayers...
BIDEN: Not mathematically possible.
RYAN: It is mathematically possible. It's been done before. It's precisely what we're proposing.
BIDEN: It has never been done before.
RYAN: It's been done a couple of times, actually.
BIDEN: It has never been done before.
RYAN: Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. Ronald Reagan...
BIDEN: Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy?
RYAN: Ronald Reagan -- Republicans and Democrats...
BIDEN: This is amazing.
RYAN: Republican and Democrats have worked together on this.
rockhound
10-12-2012, 05:52
I am surprised that Biden did as well as he did, he was more clear than i expected.
after his public performances over the last couple of years I am wondering what kind of drugs he took? The excessive grinning and then anger and then grinning and then anger, weird combination of emotional response
OR that pony shit been in your ass too many times for you to separate fantasy from reality.
You want Braeburn. You just don't know it yet.
FwXALDYlONk
Singlestack
10-12-2012, 11:58
I thought on balance it was a draw. Ryan did very well not getting sucked into Biden's condescending wierdness. At times it seemed the moderator and Biden were both interrupting and challenging Ryan, sort of double-teaming. Moderator only challenged Biden a couple of times.
Biden's use of the "you're no Jack Kennedy" was inappropriate, as Ryan was only using an example of cooperation during the Kennedy years and not trying to channel Kennedy or represent what Kennedy said.
I think Biden opened up a new can of worms on Libya that Beeho probably wants to avoid. He threw the intelligence people under the bus and stated that at no time did the ambassador or others at the embassy ask for more security. The amazing thing about the intelligence is that it was obviously terrorism to anyone watching the news on 9/11 - pretending otherwise is either lying or incredibly stupid.
I do wish Ryan had challenged Biden on more things, but on countless occasions he was cut off by the moderator. For example, when Biden said the one thing you can count on from him is he always means what he says, I wish Ryan had brought up the "put you all in chains" and more recent "middle class has been slammed the last 4 years" comments. Biden brought up Romney's "47%" comment al least 5 times.
I felt Biden had more speaking time during the debate, which turned out to be the case afterward - but was turned off for Biden demanding equal time.
I expect that most undecideds (if they truly are undecided) will be at least partially influenced by Bidens arrogance/interruptions/condescention. Biden's performance will no doubt re-energize the Dem base, tho - which was probably the purpose.
Singlestack
Ryan's story about the family lost in the car wreck was kind of a dick move. Biden's wife and daughter were killed in a car accident.
On December 18, 1972, a few weeks after the election, Biden's wife and one-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping in Hockessin, Delaware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#Family_and_early_political_career
Ryan's story about the family lost in the car wreck was kind of a dick move. Biden's wife and daughter were killed in a car accident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#Family_and_early_political_career
That was Romneys story that Ryan told, and I think the family lived if I remember right, they were injured pretty bad and Romney invited them over for chirstmas and then offered to pay for the kids college.
That was Romneys story that Ryan told, and I think the family lived if I remember right, they were injured pretty bad and Romney invited them over for chirstmas and then offered to pay for the kids college.
That family is featured on Glenn Beck's show on the Blaze... I'll try to find it, but it wasn't so much a tear jerker as it was more of a story to prove what kind of a person Romney is... which, I honestly think, he's a pretty damn good guy.
I can't get past the used car salesman persona he presents. A few other republicans I've spoken to have said the same.
hollohas
10-12-2012, 14:40
October surprise anyone?
^ This is certainly a possibility and a scary one at that.
A few rumors of an Iran strike in Oct.
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