Modern History of Iran

[wctriumph]

I ran across this while surfing youtube and wanted to post it for your discussion, or not. Different points of view and perspectives are what make the world go round. I will say that some points made here are factual but again, from a certain perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3KDYE5KQE

Take it of leave it, I ask for civil discussion.


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TEA

[DD977GM2]

Turn them and the entire Middle East into glass. They want nothing but death for us. Sooner folks realise that , the better

[BushMasterBoy]

Oil is the lifeblood of the US economy. We have treated the Iranians pretty dirty in the past. Maybe diplomacy could work if the Iranian government was willing to forget past transgressions. I am afraid I will see Tehran looking like Hiroshima at the end of 1945. Or maybe Nagasaki...

[wctriumph]

Oil is the lifeblood of the US economy. We have treated the Iranians pretty dirty in the past. Maybe diplomacy could work if the Iranian government was willing to forget past transgressions. I am afraid I will see Tehran looking like Hiroshima at the end of 1945. Or maybe Nagasaki...

Some peoples have long memories, generations long. It takes a brave people to forgive and forget and work together. I firmly believe that ALL governments are corrupt and until we can solve that issue we will be doomed to continue repeating past mistakes to enrich a few and screw the rest. Israel is only an excuse to keep things the way they are from both sides.




TEA

[Troublco]

I don't see the current Iranian Government doing anything but causing more problems. Lots of countries have treated other countries in ways they shouldn't have. Unfortunately, that's life. The Iranians have done some things that aren't so good too, and recently; specifically targeting U.S. troops for example. The Iranians sending in Revolutionary Guard troops to Iraq to aid the so-called insurgents (who were actually foreign fighters using the opportunity to kill Americans) could have been plenty of reason to go after Iran.

The Iranians have a big mouth, and like to boast and bluster. Let's hope it doesn't go any further than that. But if the Israelis determine that the Iranians actually have a nuke close to being usable, I'd say all bets are off. Sad thing is, to a lot of Muslims the idea of dying and going to Paradise while fighting the infidel is preferable to living...and that's a scary thing if they wind up with nukes. We have enough of a potential problem with Pakistan, now. And the Pakistani scientist who was running around aiding nuclear proliferation.

[Danimal]

As interesting as this is, it still fails to be completely factual starting from the premise that the leader elected in 1953 was a "good guy" and had the interest of the Iranian people in mind and brought peace to the region. That does not make sense, and he too was another power hungry leader that saw money and a chance to control it. Would the whole world be better if we left him in place? Maybe, or maybe the money that he controlled would have been used to put them ahead in the nuclear arms race? Who knows.

The speculation over our past actions with foreign relations makes me sick. Did we do right or wrong? Who knows, what we do know is that the people that we elect to lead us are in charge of some very serious decisions and need to be picked such that they act in a way that it morally and ethically aligned with the standards and best interests of the people of this nation. That is what we have control over (or used to), and the steady string of douche bags that we have had running this nation is what we should feel bad about. Not the if's or maybe's of past foreign policy.

[RMAC757]

Gotta look at the WHOLE history: dicks back then and dicks now. They believe that they are destined for greater things. They ruled and empire from India to Turkey, Egypt to the Ukraine. They messed with Greece big time- remember Marathon, The Hot Gates, and Salamis? Took one BMF name Alexander to smack the doss cunts down good. Iran came back 300 years later and messed with Rome good. Rome fought them to a stalemate but never got the upper hand.

I see Turkey as a similar threat in the future. Their empire, Ottomans, ruled that area for 400 years. They lost it after WW1 when the lovely Brits/ANZACS kicked the shit out of them. They were never punished for killing a million Armenians- genocide- and they still won't admit to it. Turkey is coming back, they will become a threat.

Having Iran and Turkey in that area is going to be trouble. Sure as hell wouldn't want to be Israel.

[Whacko]

[Goodburbon]

Turks hate persians with a passion. Worse than they dislike us. They have a secular government and a military that has no qualms about keeping it secular if the powers that be get too hard line.

Bottom.line the turks are the moderate muslims who dont scream death to America in the streets. They are not the enemy.

[anaphylaxis]

Ron Paul 2012

[Uberjager]

Turks hate persians with a passion. Worse than they dislike us. They have a secular government and a military that has no qualms about keeping it secular if the powers that be get too hard line.

Bottom.line the turks are the moderate muslims who dont scream death to America in the streets. They are not the enemy.

I've gotten soooooo drunk with Turkish Muslims... they aren't all bad. [Beer]