Official Presidential Debate thread 10/16

[funkfool]

Everybody take a breath.

[sniper7]

Obama has become a moderate in the past 4 years. Romney is as well.


and you believe him...[Bang]

[Ridge]

If Obama has supporters here. I'm not one of them.

I misread his post and felt it was a slight at me.

[hollohas]

I misread it as you saying he has clear supporters HERE. I apologize.

No biggie, I suspected you may have thought I said HERE. I would never insult someone here by saying they support Obama. ;)

[sniper7]

I'll vote for whoever I think is the better candidate. You go ahead and vote on down that party line.

Ridge is turning liberal. read it here. headline news. next up, rucker and Ridge seen at Bronie party

[dwalker460]

I think the confirmable number of deaths by legally owned NFA weapons, by the owner (as in, not stolen) is 2. No, I don't have the source.

According to Wikipedia (who knew?)


While NFA weapons as a whole are perceived by the American public as dangerous[citation needed], their use in crime is exceedingly rare. Legally-owned (ie, NFA-registered) machine guns have been used in only two murders since 1934, one of which was committed by a police officer.[9] A previous director of the ATF testified before Congress[citation needed] that fewer than ten registered machine guns (out of over 240,000 in the nation) have ever been used in any type of crime (including nonviolent offenses such as failing to notify ATF of address changes, etc.). The criminal use of other legally-owned NFA weapons is similarly rare. The Title II weapons used in prominent crimes, such the AK-47s used in the North Hollywood shootout of 1997, have universally been illegally-owned or illegally-converted weapons.
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[Irving]

Ridge is turning liberal. read it here. headline news. next up, rucker and Ridge seen at Bronie party

Just because Ridge can see through the bullshit of the Republican party, that everyone else here loves to ignore, doesn't mean he is turning, or is, liberal.

[02ducky]

Everybody take a breath.

[Beer]

Agreed!

[sniper7]

According to Wikipedia (who knew?)


While NFA weapons as a whole are perceived by the American public as dangerous[citation needed], their use in crime is exceedingly rare. Legally-owned (ie, NFA-registered) machine guns have been used in only two murders since 1934, one of which was committed by a police officer.[9] A previous director of the ATF testified before Congress[citation needed] that fewer than ten registered machine guns (out of over 240,000 in the nation) have ever been used in any type of crime (including nonviolent offenses such as failing to notify ATF of address changes, etc.). The criminal use of other legally-owned NFA weapons is similarly rare. The Title II weapons used in prominent crimes, such the AK-47s used in the North Hollywood shootout of 1997, have universally been illegally-owned or illegally-converted weapons.
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very interesting.


so now...if that because they are sooo hard to get? might be best to keep this info quiet or the antis will use it as a premise to use NFA regulations for all firearms....you know...to keep the guns out of the hands of the bad people.

[jerrymrc]

Just because Ridge can see through the bullshit of the Republican party, that everyone else here loves to ignore, doesn't mean he is turning, or is, liberal.

I will agree. [Flower]

[dwalker460]

How is he a socialist? He privatized healthcare in a free market economy.

Are you nuts? Obamacare is NOT privatized healthcare, its the epitome of the government controlling health care.

[jerrymrc]

Stephanie Cutter is a tool. Just saying. [LOL]

[sniper7]

Are you nuts? Obamacare is NOT privatized healthcare, its the epitome of the government controlling health care.

this.


but really NOBODY knows the effects of obamacare yet, it hasn't been implemented, all that is known is that most people...who still have a job, have seen their premiums rising.

[Ridge]

Are you nuts? Obamacare is NOT privatized healthcare, its the epitome of the government controlling health care.

It's demanding that people buy healthcare from the private providers that already exist.

[jerrymrc]

this.


but really NOBODY knows the effects of obamacare yet, it hasn't been implemented, all that is known is that most people...who still have a job, have seen their premiums rising.

Parts have already begun. [Coffee]

[CO303]

Stephanie Cutter is a tool. Just saying. [LOL]

I'm good with that.

[hollohas]

Just because Ridge can see through the bullshit of the Republican party, that everyone else here loves to ignore, doesn't mean he is turning, or is, liberal.

That's an awfully broad Generalization...

[Ridge]

let him answer on his own, pony boy doesn't need you to defend him. not your fight

Well he's right on in his assessment. Maybe you should take off the rose colored glasses and look at what the GOP actually has to offer. It's about what they are, not what they aren't (Obama).

[sniper7]

MSNBC breaking it down...saying obama won this one. thinking obama scored political points and where the country needs to head.

[Rucker61]

I misread his post and felt it was a slight at me.

I get that all the time.

[Ridge]

MSNBC breaking it down...saying obama won this one. thinking obama scored political points and where the country needs to head.

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

[Zundfolge]

I believe that no NFA weapon legally owned has ever been used in the commission of a crime by its owner...
There have been two murders committed with legally owned, NFA registered machine guns. One was a police officer that used a full auto M11 in .380 to kill a police informant, the other one. I don't remember the details of the other one other than it was in the early 90s in Ohio (actually I think both happened in Ohio ... what the hell's in the water there?).

The vast majority of crimes committed with NFA registered weapons are related to the improper possession and/or transfer of said weapons or the possession of narcotics along with an NFA weapon.


He [Obama] absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

I guess I saw some other debate because you have the names backward of what I saw.

[CO303]

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

I don't think this moved the needle either way. People will back their choice going in.

[TRnCO]

I didn't watch it as I already have my mind made up, so I saw it as a waste of band width and time..I feel for those that had to or decided to watch it. Talking politics is a good way to get a rise in one's blood pressure.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Voice your opinion....
Poll
http://politicslive.cnn.com/Event/Second_Presidential_Debate_2

[Colorado Luckydog]

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

That's fucking funny!

[Ridge]

I don't think this moved the needle either way. People will back their choice going in.

So far I feel Romney won the first debate, the VP debate was a draw and Obama won this one. I think there is one left before 11/6

[hollohas]

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

I call this one a draw in the sense that I don't expect the polls to sway either way after tonight.

[TEAMRICO]

Heard a lot of talk.........four letters stood out......AWB.

Under the radar is out in the open.

Obama just reiderated the same old talking points with nothing new.
No change for me.

[ChunkyMonkey]

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

YES..Obama is back in the game baby.. He is as great speaker as in 2008! Let's hope not too many people learnt about the real Obama in the past 4 years. bahhhhhhh...bahhhhhh

[jerrymrc]

He absolutely left the stage a victor tonight.

They both rambled and dodged questions and interrupted each other, but Romney did it in a more overt and offensive way.

My thought was that he seemed more timid than Romney and did not put nearly as many numbers out there but that was just me. [Flower]

[funkfool]

As a conservative, I am dismayed by the direction that the Republican party is heading in.
You should NEVER compromise your ideals.

[BPTactical]

I think the real winner tonight is Sniper7.

He's about a madmofo typin sumbitch[Beer]

[Drucker]

Well he's right on in his assessment. Maybe you should take off the rose colored glasses and look at what the GOP actually has to offer. It's about what they are, not what they aren't (Obama).

I will take that, we sure as hell know what 4 more years of this holder of the Presidency will leave as a legacy. If that is what you want you quite deserve it.

[hollohas]

four letters stood out......AWB.

[Zundfolge]

four letters stood out......AWB.
Channeling Joe Biden are we?

[sniper7]

Well he's right on in his assessment. Maybe you should take off the rose colored glasses and look at what the GOP actually has to offer. It's about what they are, not what they aren't (Obama).

so...like in the political discussions, please tell me the other options?

I can either vote for Obama or for Romney. voting for Johnson is a waste of time.

Voting for Obama is continuing the last 4 years, handing SCOTUS to the liberals on a silver platter, and now he mentions he wants to put in another AWB. while I believe the house will fight this off, I can see, given the economy, an amendment being added to a bill to re-enact at least a portion of it, possibly permanent.

I can also write myself it, but unless I see about 150,000,000 people doing the same, I'm not going to win, therefore my vote would be wasted, it quite possibly would only help Obama.


Do you really think trickle up economics is going to work. do you think obama taking money from high income earners is really going to put more money in your pocket? do you think that those same people, who are mostly businesses owners or those who run business, will not make up that money...inflation, increasing prices, which YOU will have to pay if you want their products. do you really think the .gov has your best interests in mind?

Since Johnson has NO CHANCE at winning, there is no point in bringing up his policies or ideas.

So you are left with a successful businessman, who has created jobs, made millions, donated millions, and has a plan, yet to be fully laid out, will not be proven unless things work out. He balanced the budget for businesses he ran, the state of MA, Olympics. He has the experience

So there really is no choice. We have seen what 4 years of obama has brought. has your life improved, are you putting more money into savings? are you cutting back or able to spend more? have you had to sell off guns to pay bills...I know I have seen some for sale...I know I have sold some to take care of things...like the birth of my son. Who only 3 years ago under my insurance would have been free...yet now it was over $1000.

[Rucker61]

Channeling Joe Biden are we?

The F for Effing is silent. And invisible.

[Ridge]

My thought was that he seemed more timid than Romney and did not put nearly as many numbers out there but that was just me. [Flower]

I don't think either of them put many numbers or measurable facts out there tonight. Lots of anecdotal stories from Shitsville, OH. Romney saying again and again "Obama can't do that, but I can!" without ever actually explaining how.

The way they kept interrupting each other and walking all over the allotted time was a real turn off, as well.

Next debate should have them seated in plexiglass boxes and the moderator can cut off the mic when their 2 minutes is up.

[TEAMRICO]

[Wink]

[sniper7]

I think the real winner tonight is Sniper7.

He's about a madmofo typin sumbitch[Beer]

Just trying to help a couple members out who asked me to do this again...and myself in the future.

If Romney wins, i will use my threads, my words to compare the: what was said...and what was done for my evaluation.

[BPTactical]

My thought was that he seemed more timid than Romney and did not put nearly as many numbers out there but that was just me. [Flower]

I would concur.
I do feel BO was aggressive. He knew he had to step up and may have pushed a smidge too hard.
Again I do not feel he was nearly as specific as Romney.

[Goodburbon]

If everyone who swore that johnson is just a waste of time would vote for him, it wouldn't be a waste of time.

[ChunkyMonkey]

^^^ meh.. i wanna see him doing it while in flight. [Tooth]

[hollohas]

Romney saying again and again "Obama can't do that, but I can!" without ever actually explaining how.

The way they kept interrupting each other and walking all over the allotted time was a real turn off, as well.



Romeny has done those things as a businessman.

Agreed on the interrupting.

[sniper7]

If everyone who swore that johnson is just a waste of time would vote for him, it wouldn't be a waste of time.

VERY FEW people even know who he is, let alone heard anything he has ever said. He still wouldn't stand a chance. i think I stand a better chance.

[Colorado Luckydog]

If you are a fucking idiot and your head has been up your ass for the last four years, then maybe Obamalamafuckup won this debate.

If you have half a brain and you want this country to survive, you heard the truth.

[hollohas]

If everyone who swore that johnson is just a waste of time would vote for him, it wouldn't be a waste of time.

And others would still vote for Romney...then neither one would win.

[TEAMRICO]

If everyone who swore that johnson is just a waste of time would vote for him, it wouldn't be a waste of time.

It IS a waste of time. Like me voting for my neighbor for President! Everyone in the Cul de Sac says he can win so why not.

Let it go.......

[Ridge]

so...like in the political discussions, please tell me the other options?

I can either vote for Obama or for Romney. voting for Johnson is a waste of time.

Voting for Obama is continuing the last 4 years, handing SCOTUS to the liberals on a silver platter, and now he mentions he wants to put in another AWB. while I believe the house will fight this off, I can see, given the economy, an amendment being added to a bill to re-enact at least a portion of it, possibly permanent.

I can also write myself it, but unless I see about 150,000,000 people doing the same, I'm not going to win, therefore my vote would be wasted, it quite possibly would only help Obama.


Do you really think trickle up economics is going to work. do you think obama taking money from high income earners is really going to put more money in your pocket? do you think that those same people, who are mostly businesses owners or those who run business, will not make up that money...inflation, increasing prices, which YOU will have to pay if you want their products. do you really think the .gov has your best interests in mind?

Since Johnson has NO CHANCE at winning, there is no point in bringing up his policies or ideas.

So you are left with a successful businessman, who has created jobs, made millions, donated millions, and has a plan, yet to be fully laid out, will not be proven unless things work out. He balanced the budget for businesses he ran, the state of MA, Olympics. He has the experience

So there really is no choice. We have seen what 4 years of obama has brought. has your life improved, are you putting more money into savings? are you cutting back or able to spend more? have you had to sell off guns to pay bills...I know I have seen some for sale...I know I have sold some to take care of things...like the birth of my son. Who only 3 years ago under my insurance would have been free...yet now it was over $1000.

I agree that another 4 years of Obama will, at the very best, stagnate our country.

But I feel the other option is a guy who made his millions by buying out companies and selling off their assets. A guy who also said that military style weapons don't belong in the hands of the citizenry, and was seen as a likable enough guy to lead a very liberal state. He has a plan, but refuses to tell us what it is. It's the same thing we were calling Obama out for back in 2008.

Fact is, the military can definitely afford some spending cuts. As can many other government agencies. And that the American people need to be willing to do more to help their country out. We ARE going the way of Greece. We are demanding that our government do more and more and tax us less and less. I think a simplified tax law could go a long way to take care of that.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

OK! I have to through this out again! Am I the onlyone that picked up on this 4 years ago??

Add 3 letters to the Obama/Biden campaign. 3 simple letters! N L A.

Obama BINLADEN!!

Wolf in sheeps clothing, "I beleive in my Muslam>>> I mean My Christian faith" [Rant1][Rant2]

[ChunkyMonkey]

So who's here as gun owners support Obama's call for reintroduction of Assault Weapon Ban?

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2012/10/16/obama-calls-for-reintroducing-assault-weapons-ban

[funkfool]

... voting for Johnson is a waste of time.

Voting for Johnson is just taking a vote from Romney...

Remember Ross Perot?
He got 19M votes, almost 19% of all votes cast... GHWB got 39M or 37.5% and lost by just under 6M votes -
Clinton would be a footnote in history if the Republicans that voted for Perot would have voted GHWB...

I'm just sayin'

[TEAMRICO]

Dude just slipped in a BULLSHIT on the Frank Luntz focus group on live TV!
Way to go old man!

[Ridge]

So who's here as gun owners support Obama's call for reintroduction of Assault Weapon Ban?

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2012/10/16/obama-calls-for-reintroducing-assault-weapons-ban

I'm guessing you stroked out and missed where Romney said he agrees that military style weapons don't belong on the streets of the US.

[Ridge]

Voting for Johnson is just taking a vote from Romney...

It's funny because I've heard people on the left saying that voting for Johnson is just a vote for Romney...

[funkfool]

It's funny because I've heard people on the left saying that voting for Johnson is just a vote for Romney...
That IS ALSO true.

[DD977GM2]

I think the real winner tonight is Sniper7.

He's about a madmofo typin sumbitch[Beer]


Here Here [Beer]

[ChunkyMonkey]

I'm guessing you stroked out and missed where Romney said he agrees that military style weapons don't belong on the streets of the US.

Context my friend... he also said that those automatic weapons are already illegal and he is against new legislation. Obama on the other hand was pretty clear.

So do you support Obama's stance? I know in the past you have championed Obama as not only not against guns, but he is pro (as in passing few bills that are pro).

[DD977GM2]

It's funny because I've heard people on the left saying that voting for Johnson is just a vote for Romney...


We in Colorado are a battleground state. Johnson has no chance of taking Colorado nor ANY electoral votes from oblowme.
Romeny is the only candidate with the ability to get oblowme out of office.
Thus a vote in Colorado for johnson is a vote for oblowme.

The primaries is when you vote your consience.
The Presidential election is when you vote for what is best for this country.

[Ridge]

The primaries is when you vote your consience.
The Presidential election is when you vote for what is best for this country.

If more people applied the logic from the latter to the former, we wouldn't be stuck with a troublesome decision on which is the least awful for us every 4 years.

[BPTactical]

Dude just slipped in a BULLSHIT on the Frank Luntz focus group on live TV!
Way to go old man!

In what context?

[Rucker61]

I don't think either of them put many numbers or measurable facts out there tonight. Lots of anecdotal stories from Shitsville, OH. Romney saying again and again "Obama can't do that, but I can!" without ever actually explaining how.

The way they kept interrupting each other and walking all over the allotted time was a real turn off, as well.

Next debate should have them seated in plexiglass boxes and the moderator can cut off the mic when their 2 minutes is up.

Nah, just have the boxes start filling with water if they go over their time. Self-moderation.

[Zundfolge]

Thus a vote in Colorado for johnson is a vote for oblowme.
A vote for Johnson from a conservative or a libertarian is indeed a vote for oblowme, however many of the CO Johnson voters are liberals who are pro-pot ... so actually for many of them a vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney.

The question is "Who would you vote for if Gary Johnson were abducted by space aliens and taken to their world?" If the answer is "well, then I'd vote for Romney" then yes, your Johnson vote is a vote for Obama. However if you would never vote for Romney then I'd rather see you voting for Johnson than the other dick.

[TEAMRICO]

In what context?

Was talking about how he bought into OBAMA's BULLSHIT 4 years ago but not anymore.
The panel had a majority of Obama voters from 2008 and after tonight there were less then 10% who raised there hand to vote for him again.
Only praise for Romney!

[ChunkyMonkey]

ok, how many dicks in total are we talking about???

[Ridge]

Nah, just have the boxes start filling with water if they go over their time. Self-moderation.

I like this idea.

[funkfool]

How many folks here attended their local caucus?
I did, there were less than 30 folks there... I was selected as a delegate too...
We cast our vote for Santorum.

[DD977GM2]

A vote for Johnson from a conservative or a libertarian is indeed a vote for oblowme, however many of the CO Johnson voters are liberals who are pro-pot ... so actually for many of them a vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney.

The question is "Who would you vote for if Gary Johnson were abducted by space aliens and taken to their world?" If the answer is "well, then I'd vote for Romney" then yes, your Johnson vote is a vote for Obama. However if you would never vote for Romney then I'd rather see you voting for Johnson than the other dick.

Lets hope the pot smokers vote away for Johnson. I hope this works for our favor.

[TEAMRICO]

ok, how many dicks in total are we talking about???

Well, we can line up some Liberals and make a Human Centipede...sorta!
Hey, be tolerant!

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

ok, how many dicks in total are we talking about???

Ssssooooo many. Dozens probably.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Lets hope the pot smokers vote away for Johnson. I hope this works for our favor.

Doubt they'll even remember to vote.

[hollohas]

If more people applied the logic from the latter to the former, we wouldn't be stuck with a troublesome decision on which is the least awful for us every 4 years.

I wish Colorado would do a real primary rather than a caucus.

[sniper7]

I agree that another 4 years of Obama will, at the very best, stagnate our country.

But I feel the other option is a guy who made his millions by buying out companies and selling off their assets. A guy who also said that military style weapons don't belong in the hands of the citizenry, and was seen as a likable enough guy to lead a very liberal state. He has a plan, but refuses to tell us what it is. It's the same thing we were calling Obama out for back in 2008.

Fact is, the military can definitely afford some spending cuts. As can many other government agencies. And that the American people need to be willing to do more to help their country out. We ARE going the way of Greece. We are demanding that our government do more and more and tax us less and less. I think a simplified tax law could go a long way to take care of that.

okay great. so who are you going to vote for. the guy in there now that is going to continue what he has done for the last 4 years and has an agenda and has the support of the Brady campaign, or are you going to vote for the guy who has been an accomplished businessman, be it selling off failed companies after fixing them up and making them profitable/marketable, he does have some stains on his shirt from his past. they all do. at least we KNOW what he has done...he has the support of the NRA, a lifetime member, he has Paul Ryan who hunts, can make the hard decisions to cut .gov and make the budget see black again.

Romney can't tell us how he intends to fix 4 years of fuckups in the 2 minutes he gets with the mircophone, that isn't going to happen. We will hear bits and pieces...so far it sounds much better than the crap obama has done in the last 4 years and plans to do in the next 4. Obama has said he has a plan to get rid of the deficit and cut back the spending. yet he wants to reallocate the money used on wars for education. All of our kids will need education...that's great, but will they be in debt for the rest of their life to learn a skill to become a slave of the .gov? who wants that?

You said:
the American people need to be willing to do more to help their country out.

so you want them to pay more taxes? just like the CCW in national parks, you don't pay attention to the details. where in history has more taxes done more for the American people other than to enslave us longer to the government. That is the whole reason we are a country is due to over taxation. that is nowhere near the answer. it is absolutely, unequivocally, positively the wrong answer.

[Ridge]

We cast our vote for Santorum.

Precisely. The caucus is when the extremists and hardliners show up.

[sniper7]

So who's here as gun owners support Obama's call for reintroduction of Assault Weapon Ban?

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2012/10/16/obama-calls-for-reintroducing-assault-weapons-ban


not me...

[ChunkyMonkey]

okay great. so who are you going to vote for. the guy in there now that is going to continue what he has done for the last 4 years and has an agenda and has the support of the Brady campaign, or are you going to vote for the guy who has been an accomplished businessman, be it selling off failed companies after fixing them up and making them profitable/marketable, he does have some stains on his shirt from his past. they all do. at least we KNOW what he has done...he has the support of the NRA, a lifetime member, he has Paul Ryan who hunts, can make the hard decisions to cut .gov and make the budget see black again.

Romney can't tell us how he intends to fix 4 years of fuckups in the 2 minutes he gets with the mircophone, that isn't going to happen. We will hear bits and pieces...so far it sounds much better than the crap obama has done in the last 4 years and plans to do in the next 4. Obama has said he has a plan to get rid of the deficit and cut back the spending. yet he wants to reallocate the money used on wars for education. All of our kids will need education...that's great, but will they be in debt for the rest of their life to learn a skill to become a slave of the .gov? who wants that?

You said:

so you want them to pay more taxes? just like the CCW in national parks, you don't pay attention to the details. where in history has more taxes done more for the American people other than to enslave us longer to the government. That is the whole reason we are a country is due to over taxation. that is nowhere near the answer. it is absolutely, unequivocally, positively the wrong answer.



oh come on Sniper.. there is not greater good than principle and ego.

[sniper7]

Voting for Johnson is just taking a vote from Romney...

Remember Ross Perot?
He got 19M votes, almost 19% of all votes cast... GHWB got 39M or 37.5% and lost by just under 6M votes -
Clinton would be a footnote in history if the Republicans that voted for Perot would have voted GHWB...

I'm just sayin'

and more than likely the AWB would have been passed, it wouldn't be a topic of concern or something to re-introduce either.

[sniper7]

Lets hope the pot smokers vote away for Johnson. I hope this works for our favor.

a lot of pot smokers are pro-gun republicans/libertarians who don't think the .gov should be involved in their lives or what they inhale into their lungs. Just like alcohol.

[Zundfolge]

I wish Colorado would do a real primary rather than a caucus.
Agreed. Not only that but we should have a national day of primaries ... and all primaries should be closed.

No monkey wrenching the other party's primaries.
No early primary states reducing the number of candidates the late primary states are allowed to vote for.

I recommend the first Tuesday after the first Monday in February of an election year.


a lot of pot smokers are pro-gun republicans/libertarians who don't think the .gov should be involved in their lives or what they inhale into their lungs. Just like alcohol.
This is true (I count myself as one of those ... although I'm voting against 64, but for other reasons that I don't want to derail this thread with), but the majority of pro-legalization folk are left of center ... you know, a broken clock being right once a day and all that.

[hollohas]

And we've derailed.

[Sharpienads]

Romney passed a permanent assault weapons ban as governor of MA.
Obama has given legal carry in national parks and on AMTRAK trains.

Romney did not pass a permanent assault weapons ban as governor of MA. Please stop saying this.

ETA: Sorry, came in late on this one. I'm watching a recording.

[BPTactical]

And we've derailed.

Agreed.
Even though we may have vast opinions on our politics we all have a common bond.
The jabs are leaning to the overly personal side (I am just as guilty at times).
We need to remember that we all do business with each other, trade with each other and share our sport.

We can agree to disagree but we are ALL better than that. If we are to disagree, let's do it in a mature manner.
We all learn from an intelligent discussion.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Agreed.
Even though we may have vast opinions on our politics we all have a common bond.
The jabs are leaning to the overly personal side (I am just as guilty at times).
We need to remember that we all do business with each other, trade with each other and share our sport.

We can agree to disagree but we are ALL better than that.

Whatever, friskies licker! [Tooth]

[Irving]

I'd like to point out that just because someone criticizes the Republican party, doesn't mean that they are voting for Johnson or Obama. If you are voting for Romney, then Romney is the only person you need to criticize. Not voting for Obama or Johnson is criticism enough, and there is no need for further discussion of their policies.

So when someone questions, or challenges something that your preferred candidate has done, said, or plans to do, you shouldn't respond as if they said, "I am voting for the other guy because..." unless they already have.

Those questions serve two purposes.
1) Gives you an opportunity to defend your decision by expressing WHY you have made that decision. This shows that there is a thought process behind your actions, and you aren't just doing it because you FEEL like it is the right thing to do, or don't know what else to do.
2) By being able to explain your position, this reinforces your own expectations of said candidate. You know what you expect, and if you are let down, you know exactly what to say to your guy in a letter to get him back on track.

OR...

You guys can just call everyone liberals, point fingers and declare people to be against you if they aren't with you, act like dicks, and fail, still, to actually address the concern.

[TEAMRICO]

In the words of a Great African American role model...Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"












Or did did he say "Glug, gasp....Glug.........."

Goodnight gang.......

[J]

Knock that shit off. Everyone.

Don't get this thread closed for everyone else.

Agree to disagree on this, and move back to the topic at hand: the debate.

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[BPTactical]

Whatever, friskies licker! [Tooth]

How many times do I have to tell you?
Friskies is welfare catfood![Bang]

I have more refined taste such as Wellness!

Get it right Obese Primate!



Dammnninnt![Bang]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Get it right Obese Primate!


OMG, dont be so jealous that I am grounded to the ground... like Toyota Camry yo!

[J]

Knock that shit off. Everyone.

Don't get this thread closed for everyone else.

Agree to disagree on this, and move back to the topic at hand: the debate.

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Last warning... Unlike the debate, getting the last word in isn't an option on this.

Drop the bickering between the two/three of you and get back to the topic.

[BPTactical]

OMG, dont be so jealous that I am grounded to the ground... like Toyota Camry yo!

Ok,Ok-just don't fling poo[Coffee]

[tmleadr03]

Last warning... Unlike the debate, getting the last word in isn't an option on this.

Drop the bickering between the two/three of you and get back to the topic.

I am done, I posted my last one while you were posting this one.

Back to my hole.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Ok,Ok-just don't fling poo[Coffee]

Don't be bringing my family name into this.. and its Mr. Hu Flung Poo to you.

[BPTactical]

Don't be bringing my family name into this.. and its Mr. Hu Flung Poo to you.

And I always thought it was Mr. I Chu Poo.........go figure

[J]

Took me 20 minutes, but I think I cleaned the BS up, and we should be returning to our regularly scheduled programming in 3...2....1....

[sniper7]

MSM is writing this one down for obama. I see a couple screw ups on romneys part. and a couple big hits.

F&F was brought up, but so was the 47% issue.
The ambassador getting killed, and obamas response kind of blew up in Romneys face. Candy called him out on it on the spot.

Romney seems to start talking more about his plan. I'm not sure if he even knows what the full thing is yet or not, or just letting out enough to keep people interested but not too much for the obama campaign to find flaws and call him out on them...that is more than likely the case.

Foreign Policy will be interesting to see when that debate comes up. Obama has more experience in this one now...even though he had none in 08 when he won, but Romney has been around the block and knows what it going on, just not at the same level as Obama.

[sniper7]

Took me 20 minutes, but I think I cleaned the BS up, and we should be returning to our regularly scheduled programming in 3...2....1....

sorry about that. sometimes I get excited...like a little dog who pees just a little [Tooth]

[ChunkyMonkey]

And I always thought it was Mr. I Chu Poo.........go figure

No he goes by the name Dr Fwd... he is such a crybaby and spoiled. He is the clingy poo.

[BPTactical]

No he goes by the name Dr Fwd... he is such a crybaby and spoiled. He is the clingy poo.

Ok, so is your anorexic cousin Skinny Poo?

[Irving]

MSM is writing this one down for obama. I see a couple screw ups on romneys part. and a couple big hits.

F&F was brought up, but so was the 47% issue.
The ambassador getting killed, and obamas response kind of blew up in Romneys face. Candy called him out on it on the spot.

Romney seems to start talking more about his plan. I'm not sure if he even knows what the full thing is yet or not, or just letting out enough to keep people interested but not too much for the obama campaign to find flaws and call him out on them...that is more than likely the case.

Foreign Policy will be interesting to see when that debate comes up. Obama has more experience in this one now...even though he had none in 08 when he won, but Romney has been around the block and knows what it going on, just not at the same level as Obama.

Both candidates pretending to answer the question for 11 seconds, then using the last 1:49 to talk about something unrelated that the other guy did, got pretty old, pretty quick. I'd much rather people actually stick to answering a question in two minutes, than trying to cram their pre-planned rhetoric over the top of dodging a question in that amount of time. If you debated like that in Forensics class, you'd lose every time.

I think that people are saying that Obama won because he really nailed it a few times, with what his proponents believe/want to hear.

[Ridge]

Both candidates pretending to answer the question for 11 seconds, then using the last 1:49 to talk about something unrelated that the other guy did, got pretty old, pretty quick.

Can't argue with that.

[tmleadr03]

Can't argue with that.

Foreign policy debate will be interesting for one reason. I want to see who makes up what to try to differentiate themselves from the other.

Otherwise it is going to be like McCain and Obama debate on the economy. "I agree with him on that".

[J]

I would personally prefer a 3-5 question debate wherein candidates are required to show their work. A Bipartisan set of examples:

1. Obama says that gas prices were artificially low, and that was a contributing factor the the economic collapse. I have never seen any evidence to that point.... show your work in 10 minutes or less as to how the gas prices were a factor to the collapse and how either a) your policies WILL (not maybe) reduce them or B) how the value they are at now is the permanent stable value it needs to be!

2. Romney says that Obama policies have actually reduced/hindered domestic natural gas production. Most things I have seen suggest otherwise (one of the few things I believe he has done OK). Show your work in 10 minutes or less on how his polices have reduced natural gas output and how your polices can increase it!

Perhaps that's just the enginerd in me... but does anyone else agree? Show your work, make me understand how you will do it! Then I believe. I have to imagine there are others like me who are not blind faith voters (though the 2008 election might suggest otherwise).

[Rucker61]

I would personally prefer a 3-5 question debate wherein candidates are required to show their work. A Bipartisan set of examples:

1. Obama says that gas prices were artificially low, and that was a contributing factor the the economic collapse. I have never seen any evidence to that point.... show your work in 10 minutes or less as to how the gas prices were a factor to the collapse and how either a) your policies WILL (not maybe) reduce them or B) how the value they are at now is the permanent stable value it needs to be!

2. Romney says that Obama policies have actually reduced/hindered domestic natural gas production. Most things I have seen suggest otherwise (one of the few things I believe he has done OK). Show your work in 10 minutes or less on how his polices have reduced natural gas output and how your polices can increase it!

Perhaps that's just the enginerd in me... but does anyone else agree? Show your work, make me understand how you will do it! Then I believe. I have to imagine there are others like me who are not blind faith voters (though the 2008 election might suggest otherwise).

I'm as data-driven as you are, and this would be a great format. Will it be open book? Can they use calculators? I think McCain is the only recent candidate who would be capable of using a slide-rule ;)

[ChunkyMonkey]

Facts? Records? That would be the extinction of politicians.

[Rucker61]

Facts? Records? That would be the extinction of politicians.

The goal isn't to be correct; it's to be elected.

[tmleadr03]

I would personally prefer a 3-5 question debate wherein candidates are required to show their work. A Bipartisan set of examples:

1. Obama says that gas prices were artificially low, and that was a contributing factor the the economic collapse. I have never seen any evidence to that point.... show your work in 10 minutes or less as to how the gas prices were a factor to the collapse and how either a) your policies WILL (not maybe) reduce them or B) how the value they are at now is the permanent stable value it needs to be!

2. Romney says that Obama policies have actually reduced/hindered domestic natural gas production. Most things I have seen suggest otherwise (one of the few things I believe he has done OK). Show your work in 10 minutes or less on how his polices have reduced natural gas output and how your polices can increase it!

Perhaps that's just the enginerd in me... but does anyone else agree? Show your work, make me understand how you will do it! Then I believe. I have to imagine there are others like me who are not blind faith voters (though the 2008 election might suggest otherwise).

If they get to use Google I want to see the screen they are seeing.

[Ridge]

Jesus this wind. Must be the low pressure system of hot air coming out of NY.

[Irving]

Show your work, make me understand how you will do it! Then I believe. I have to imagine there are others like me who are not blind faith voters (though the 2008 election might suggest otherwise).

This is the most important thing that you've said. How can you realistically tell a nation that there is a lot of hard work to be done, and everyone needs to do their part, if you don't bother to explain what you are talking about and get everyone onto the same page? You want to convince a voter that your idea is the best one? Make sure you at least try and explain it enough that the voter can grasp the general idea. Heck, they don't even have to be able to explain it to their buddy the next day, just understand it as it is spoken to them. There is no point in preaching about banding together to tackle challenges if no one even knows what step number one is. Just throwing money at a candidate isn't banding together, and it isn't hard work.

[Goodburbon]

Its windy as all getout up here.

Was very annoying to watch the debate. It was honestly " who can ramble on about their grandparents without answering the question, then insist on exceeding the 2 min limit because what they have to say isimportant...the best?"

[Ridge]

Ya know what makes this thread 100x better?

N9oxmRT2YWw

[Diesel24]

Ya know what makes this thread 100x better?

N9oxmRT2YWw

LMAO! [ROFL2]

[Irving]

This was both of them tonight.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

[Diesel24]

This was both of them tonight.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

lol, i sat there trying to click it, even knowing it was impossible, guess im really bored.

[Irving]

If you wait a few seconds, red ink writes "^half of" in the middle of the "Believe in America" slogan. It's mildly funny, but every politician ever made doesn't explain economic plans to the public. It would take Romney a well organized, 8 hour class to explain to America the very broad, intro level, basics of what he was planning to do. No one would watch.

[Diesel24]

Yeah i noticed that too. And i agree, alot of people do not realize how much goes into the economic plans, all too many people think it's a cut and dry 2 minute answer.

[Bailey Guns]

Frankly, I think a lot of people will give Obama the win in this debate simply because he exceeded their low expectations of him.

[Ridge]

http://i.qkme.me/3rdj7d.jpg

[roberth]

Fact - There is no plan on either side that will effectively deal with the $16T deficit.

Fact - There is no plan on either side that addresses the looming $100T+ promise by the Federal government to social security, medicaid, and medicare recipients.

[TRnCO]

I don't see how Obama, with a straight face, can keep asking for facts from Romney for his economic plan, when in fact I clearly remember Pelosi telling us all that they had to pass the Obama Care bill BEFORE we would know any of the facts of what was in it..

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black...

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://imageplay.net/img/tya22288731/obama_lying.jpg

One more debate to go.

[Jer]

I got my Mail-In-Ballot today in the mail. Did you guys know there are 16 candidates for president on the Colorado ballot? Daaay-um!

And who's this Gary Johnson guy?
http://mob836.photobucket.com/albums/zz288/Swirlyman/GIFs/1333283668316.gif?t=1333305889

Yep, and I ignored every single one of them as I wrote the words 'Ron' and 'Paul' in the blank. Will he win? Nope. I don't care I did my part and voted for who I felt was the right man for the country right now. I can't control everyone else so I'll be damned if I let the way they vote or don't vote affect me.

[Teufelhund]

Got my mail-in ballot today. Holy shit, Roseanne Barr is on it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Got my mail-in ballot today. Holy shit, Roseanne Barr is on it.


How big a package you get?

[Teufelhund]

How big a package you get?

Well it wasn't going to fit in the mailbox, that's for sure.

[Bailey Guns]

Got my mail-in ballot today. Holy shit, Roseanne Barr is on it.

Don't laugh. She has just as much chance of winning as Ron Paul, Gary Johnson or any of the other losers.


Yep, and I ignored every single one of them as I wrote the words 'Ron' and 'Paul' in the blank. Will he win? Nope. I don't care I did my part and voted for who I felt was the right man for the country right now. I can't control everyone else so I'll be damned if I let the way they vote or don't vote affect me.

Congratulations! You're irrelevant. Just like Ron Paul.

[Ridge]

Congratulations! You're irrelevant. Just like Ron Paul.

http://i.imgur.com/f3cLT.gif

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Yep, and I ignored every single one of them as I wrote the words 'Ron' and 'Paul' in the blank. Will he win? Nope. I don't care I did my part and voted for who I felt was the right man for the country right now. I can't control everyone else so I'll be damned if I let the way they vote or don't vote affect me.

Obama and the liberals thank you.

[Teufelhund]

Don't laugh. She has just as much chance of winning as Ron Paul, Gary Johnson or any of the other losers.

Oh I definitely wasn't laughing about it. I'm disturbed that she could acquire enough signatures to get on the ballot.

[Jer]

Obama and the liberals thank you.

Good, maybe the GOP will realize if they want votes they need to earn them by putting forth a viable candidate. If that means changing up the party then so be it but I'll be damned if I'm going to give them my vote by default. Romney is a joke & the best argument anyone can give me is Obama which isn't an argument for Romney at all.

[Jer]

Oh I definitely wasn't laughing about it. I'm disturbed that she could acquire enough signatures to get on the ballot.

Disturbed? You should be. Says a lot about the candidate put forth by the GOP.

[sniper7]

Disturbed? You should be. Says a lot about the candidate put forth by the GOP.

But you had to write in Ron pauls name, yet Rosanne had her name printed on the ballot?

I like you Jer, I am a bit saddened by your vote, but that is the beauty of our system and I applaud you for sticking to your values.

[Jer]

But you had to write in Ron pauls name, yet Rosanne had her name printed on the ballot?

I like you Jer, I am a bit saddened by your vote, but that is the beauty of our system and I applaud you for sticking to your values.

Would you feel better about my choice had I voted for Rosanne? [Tooth]

[Irving]

but that is the beauty of our system and I applaud you for sticking to your values.

I have a hard time buying this, after all the shit you gave people about third party candidates. However, if you are serious, then I applaud your applauding.

[roberth]

Oh I definitely wasn't laughing about it. I'm disturbed that she could acquire enough signatures to get on the ballot.

That is disturbing.

[Goodburbon]

So I was watching this debate, and thinking. " I MAY vote for this Romney guy"

UNTIL he answered about the AWB.

[Jer]

I have a hard time buying this, after all the shit you gave people about third party candidates. However, if you are serious, then I applaud your applauding.

If you are serious then I applaud your applauding of his applause of my sticking to my values. [LOL]

[Beer]