Punkface
10-17-2012, 11:56
Starts at 12. Will update with notes and possibly video later today
First edit: the meeting went pretty well. There were quite a few students AND staff with carry permits that spoke out today. Gotta go to class but will post a general outline and some questions asked later tonight. Did not get a chance to take video due to the bastard sitting in front of me talking on his phone.
Second edit: ok guys, here's what happened.
CU Boulder's attorney started off the meeting by giving a brief outline of how concealed carry became legal on campus. He explained that since the board of regents' decision against concealed carry on campus was challenged by a group of students in Colorado Springs, the supreme court ruled that CU Boulder must allow concealed carry on its campus. He then moved on to mention that people attending sports events/concerts and or living in dorms agree to not carry concealed when buying the ticket to the event/paying for dorm fees. He made it very clear that this is the only instances on campus where people holding concealed carry permits are not allowed to carry. He did say that students with permits are allowed to carry in class.
One issue that seemed to deeply embarrass the members of the board was the way the school communicated with the students and community. At least 5 different people (students, professors, and staff) made claims that the announcement email, concealed carry holders were demonized and that it felt as if the school had taken a political opinion when the school is supposed to encourage students to think for themselves. The board immediately denied and shot these people down until someone read the email out loud.
It then moved on to open discussion. Here are some of the questions/statements.
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From a professor (1): If the school can put no guns in the contracts for dorms and events, can I do the same to my students?
Answer from the attorney: NO. The board of regents has drawn the line for restrictions at dorm residences and ticketed events only because attending those are optional.
From the same professor (1): What about entering my office on a private one on one basis?
Answer from the attorney: NO.
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Attorney reemphasizes that students can not be discriminated against for having concealed weapons with permits.
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From a professor (2): Since this ruling I have carried every day. I am in full support of carrying concealed on this campus. I don't understand why the administration is causing this much of a fuss over an issue that is menial at most.
Attorney: enough emails from the students and staff have been received that have made this an issue.
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From a professor (3): I'm concerned about students in debates using their guns to intimidate people to not argue.
Rebuttal from another professor (2): Using a gun to intimidate someone is already illegal.
From the same professor (3): What about mental competency tests? What if someone with a gun snaps and kills people?
Attorney: we set up a website called Students of Concern where you can post issues or concerns of other students.
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From a student: Are you aware that other college campuses allow concealed carry? Do you know of any instances where a person with a concealed carry permit has went on a shooting spree?
Police Captain: There are plenty of campuses around the nation with different policies. I'm unaware of any instances where a concealed carry holder has murdered someone.
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From a student: This school's policies on weapons doesn't make any sense. Why are all weapons banned, concealed handguns allowed, and nerf guns banned?
Police Captain: In case someone is shooting another student with a nerf gun at night, the cop doesn't shoot them thinking it's a real gun. Students now throw socks at each other.
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From a student: how many weapons violations on campus last year (when concealed carry was banned) involved concealed carry holders?
Police Captain: none that I can think of
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From a student: it was announced that there would be separate housing for concealed carry holders. Has anyone signed up for this housing? How much extra money is the school spending to segregate students that carry a concealed handgun for their own protection.
Spokesman for CU: Nobody has signed up for the separate housing. Since nobody signed up, if someone signs up we will find them off campus housing on a case by case basis, not build them their own dorm.
What needs to happen: There were about 30-40 people there today. Out of that, we only had 5-10 people talk and support concealed carry on campus VOCALLY. There were tons of nods of agreement and applause after each supporter's question/comment. We need more support and a larger presence at these meetings. The students as a majority seem to approve. The ones that are arguing against it are a faction of professors and the board members. This is a main battleground and schools across the nation are watching this unfold to create their own policies. As members of the gun community that (hopefully) support concealed carry, we need to make sure that our rights here aren't trampled on.
The first CU Boulder meeting on concealed carry only had ONE advocate. The second had several and we are gaining momentum. We need to show them that we will support our cause. Most of the people who spoke today were in support of concealed carry on campus and we need to keep that up.
First edit: the meeting went pretty well. There were quite a few students AND staff with carry permits that spoke out today. Gotta go to class but will post a general outline and some questions asked later tonight. Did not get a chance to take video due to the bastard sitting in front of me talking on his phone.
Second edit: ok guys, here's what happened.
CU Boulder's attorney started off the meeting by giving a brief outline of how concealed carry became legal on campus. He explained that since the board of regents' decision against concealed carry on campus was challenged by a group of students in Colorado Springs, the supreme court ruled that CU Boulder must allow concealed carry on its campus. He then moved on to mention that people attending sports events/concerts and or living in dorms agree to not carry concealed when buying the ticket to the event/paying for dorm fees. He made it very clear that this is the only instances on campus where people holding concealed carry permits are not allowed to carry. He did say that students with permits are allowed to carry in class.
One issue that seemed to deeply embarrass the members of the board was the way the school communicated with the students and community. At least 5 different people (students, professors, and staff) made claims that the announcement email, concealed carry holders were demonized and that it felt as if the school had taken a political opinion when the school is supposed to encourage students to think for themselves. The board immediately denied and shot these people down until someone read the email out loud.
It then moved on to open discussion. Here are some of the questions/statements.
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From a professor (1): If the school can put no guns in the contracts for dorms and events, can I do the same to my students?
Answer from the attorney: NO. The board of regents has drawn the line for restrictions at dorm residences and ticketed events only because attending those are optional.
From the same professor (1): What about entering my office on a private one on one basis?
Answer from the attorney: NO.
------
Attorney reemphasizes that students can not be discriminated against for having concealed weapons with permits.
------
From a professor (2): Since this ruling I have carried every day. I am in full support of carrying concealed on this campus. I don't understand why the administration is causing this much of a fuss over an issue that is menial at most.
Attorney: enough emails from the students and staff have been received that have made this an issue.
-------
From a professor (3): I'm concerned about students in debates using their guns to intimidate people to not argue.
Rebuttal from another professor (2): Using a gun to intimidate someone is already illegal.
From the same professor (3): What about mental competency tests? What if someone with a gun snaps and kills people?
Attorney: we set up a website called Students of Concern where you can post issues or concerns of other students.
------
From a student: Are you aware that other college campuses allow concealed carry? Do you know of any instances where a person with a concealed carry permit has went on a shooting spree?
Police Captain: There are plenty of campuses around the nation with different policies. I'm unaware of any instances where a concealed carry holder has murdered someone.
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From a student: This school's policies on weapons doesn't make any sense. Why are all weapons banned, concealed handguns allowed, and nerf guns banned?
Police Captain: In case someone is shooting another student with a nerf gun at night, the cop doesn't shoot them thinking it's a real gun. Students now throw socks at each other.
------
From a student: how many weapons violations on campus last year (when concealed carry was banned) involved concealed carry holders?
Police Captain: none that I can think of
------
From a student: it was announced that there would be separate housing for concealed carry holders. Has anyone signed up for this housing? How much extra money is the school spending to segregate students that carry a concealed handgun for their own protection.
Spokesman for CU: Nobody has signed up for the separate housing. Since nobody signed up, if someone signs up we will find them off campus housing on a case by case basis, not build them their own dorm.
What needs to happen: There were about 30-40 people there today. Out of that, we only had 5-10 people talk and support concealed carry on campus VOCALLY. There were tons of nods of agreement and applause after each supporter's question/comment. We need more support and a larger presence at these meetings. The students as a majority seem to approve. The ones that are arguing against it are a faction of professors and the board members. This is a main battleground and schools across the nation are watching this unfold to create their own policies. As members of the gun community that (hopefully) support concealed carry, we need to make sure that our rights here aren't trampled on.
The first CU Boulder meeting on concealed carry only had ONE advocate. The second had several and we are gaining momentum. We need to show them that we will support our cause. Most of the people who spoke today were in support of concealed carry on campus and we need to keep that up.