View Full Version : So what actually happened during the last AWB
Was to young to know or care. Can someone explain what happened etc.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 19:12
Magazine prices went sky-high, AR-15 rifles were made without flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and collapsible stocks.
'Bout sums it up, I think.
ETA: Oh, yeah...the terms "pre-ban" and "post-ban" came into common use.
So you could still buy them? What about AKs? What if you had a AR that had a bayo collapsible stock and flash suppressor?
SideShow Bob
10-17-2012, 19:15
No flash hider, and limited to 20 round Magazines.
Also CA. went ape-Shit and is going even further...
I sold six G18 (9mm 33rd) mags in Atlanta for $250ea during the ban. That, is how high the demand was.
Sharpienads
10-17-2012, 19:15
So you could still buy them? What about AKs? What if you had a AR that had a bayo collapsible stock and flash suppressor?
If it was made before a certain date you could keep it.
Probably more accurate to say that if you already had one that was made the date, it was still legal. No .gov agency came around and confiscated everything with lugs, collapsable stocks, etc. At least not that I know of.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 19:17
Yeah...you could still buy the rifles they just couldn't have those features. If you had the evil "hi-cap" magazines, you could buy a new ban-era rifle and the mags worked just fine. Nothing that was made before 9/94 was affected...other than the price went way up. You could still buy/sell/trade/possess in most places.
It did absolutely nothing other than force manufacturers to stop putting bayo lugs, suppressors and collapsible/folding stocks on rifles.
It would more accurately be called the "94 Hi Cap Magazine Ban".
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 19:18
No flash hider, and limited to 20 round Magazines.
Also CA. went ape-Shit and is going even further...
10 round mags. Only LE/Gov't could buy mags made during the ban period in capacity over 10 rounds.
ETA: That's why you still see mags with a date stamp of 9/94 or rifles/mags marked "Restricted: LE/Gov't Use Only". The stamping means nothing any longer...except in a few places.
Sharpienads
10-17-2012, 19:20
10 round mags. Only LE/Gov't could buy mags made during the ban period in capacity over 10 rounds.
Yeah, they were obviously thinking of the children and their safety.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 19:21
All de gubmint's chirrens.
SideShow Bob
10-17-2012, 19:23
10 round mags. Only LE/Gov't could buy mags made during the ban period in capacity over 10 rounds.
Always bought 20's at the gun shows (KS), 30's were like $100 if you could find them.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 19:26
The 94 AWB prohibited the purchase of "High Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices" (anything that held over 10 rounds) made during the ban by anyone other than LE/Gov't.
Whenever I needed new mags for my AR or Glock I had to get a department letterhead.
You could buy anything of any capacity as long as it wasn't made from 9/94 - 9/04.
What happened was people were paying $80 to $100 for a Glock pistol magazine. And the AR-15 I bought brand new a month before the ban for $550 was suddenly worth about $1200.
The AWB was really a joke. The first picture below was no longer allowed to be purchased by anyone other than military and law enforcement. The second picture was perfectly legal to buy. Also, you could still legally buy and sell version number one as long as it was made before the ban date.
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dwalker460
10-17-2012, 19:29
FFL's became hard to get, which was specifically designed to try and eliminate "tabletop" and garage sellers and gunsmiths.
High cap mags dried right up, just prior to the ban when it was widely thought that high cap weapons themselves would be banned there was a pretty big run on high cap pistols.
AR's went from $600 or so to over $1200 almost overnight. Military surplus parts kits were literally gone from inventory overnight
SKS/AK/MAK rifles were scooped up in large amounts, went from $89 for an SKS at a gun show to $200 or more, never came back down.
Other than that, my life was not affected much.
jerrymrc
10-17-2012, 19:37
The only things for me were the folding/adjustable stocks and the real stupid fact that you had to run a brake instead of a flash hider and we had to pin or silver solder them. [Bang] I was busy building Fal's at the time and there were many mags to be had as almost all were MFG'd before 1994.
Stupid thought from back then. If your "Flash Hider" used threads it had to be permanently attached but if it was a slip-on twist and lock like the G-1/Argy FLASH HIDERS you were good to go.
The bottom line was that it did nothing to slow down the black gun market. It only made many of us laugh at how stupid it was. There were so many loopholes that you could drive a truck through it just made us chuckle.
Show of hands! How many here were at Tanner the day after the law sunset? I saw many with dremels removing muzzle brakes and putting flash hiders back on along with taking the pin out of those Collapsible stocks. [Flower]
And by the way. This is where all those mags one sees that are marked for LEO only came to be. Since after that it did not matter. :)
Goodburbon
10-17-2012, 19:40
Suddenly one day I couldn't buy 30 rd mags for my 10/22 at wal-mart for $10
AR's suddenly came without threaded muzzles, no bayo lug, 10rd mags.
Wasn't there a provision for shotguns too.
An FFL couldn't sell an extended magazine and a pistol grip on a shotgun, you could have one but not the other.
I remember being quoted $1200 for a Benelli M1 with an extended magazine.
jerrymrc
10-17-2012, 19:58
Similar to previous bans...gun prices went up on "evil" features. The law of supply/demand. AUGs went up $1000. I remember FNC's going for $600 before the 86 ban, dealers couldn't give the crappy FN things away. Suddenly after the ban...prices went to $1200. Another ban in 94 and what do crappy FNCs go for? $3000. $3k for a gun with a 12lb trigger pull, no parts, no accessories, impossible to load a mag fast, and average accuracy. Yeah, but Pacino used it in "Heat" so it must be great.
That ban screwed the consumers/citizens big time. All pistols/rifles came with 10 rd mags. Some companies tried to get around it but others, like Ruger, did it even before it became law...thanks Bill. The lovely "thumb hole" rifle stock ruined all our dreams. They tossed them on AKs, AUGs, SKSs, ARs, FALs, etc. So, you paid full pop for the gun and then paid a fortune to get an illegal stock to make your rifle useable. Hi-cap Glock mags went from $15 bucks to $100. BetaC mags went from $150 to $500. No more sweet bayonet lugs on rifles, dangerous, and flash hiders were really forbidden. Parts counting. Your thumbhole FAL could be changed but you had to have the proper number of US parts. Would love to find the prick government employee to come up with that one and shove all those FAL floor plate mag parts up his unlubricated ass. He's probably from San Francisco and would like that.
Sorry, will stop my rant now but this AWB amazes me. Fucking libs. Douches.
When Obama gets elected again...and it will happen, the ban will be worse and there won't be an expiration date on it. Too many airy fairy libs and women really believe guns and "clips" are evil. They will welcome it, just like the English, the Aussies, etc.
I still have about 10 falcon floor plates. For a Metric there were enough US parts but I had to use them on the Izzy. ;)
Goodburbon
10-17-2012, 20:00
Also the gun shows became laden with "tent stakes" because bayonets were not legal to sell.
I know if Obama is in office another 4 years he wants to reinstate the AWB permanately but what if they decide all so called Assault weapons were made illegal and you had to give yours up? Can they do that? I would like to say "from my cold dead hands" but now I am worried.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 20:08
^^ I don't remember bayonets ever being illegal.
Goodburbon
10-17-2012, 20:10
^^ I don't remember bayonets ever being illegal.
I don't either. but I sure do remember buckets full of "tent stakes" for $10 apiece on the tables down south.
I know if Obama is in office another 4 years he wants to reinstate the AWB permanately but what if they decide all so called Assault weapons were made illegal and you had to give yours up? Can they do that? I would like to say "from my cold dead hands" but now I am worried.
That something that would be scary on both ends and would go over like a lead balloon
jerrymrc
10-17-2012, 20:19
I know if Obama is in office another 4 years he wants to reinstate the AWB permanately but what if they decide all so called Assault weapons were made illegal and you had to give yours up? Can they do that? I would like to say "from my cold dead hands" but now I am worried.
Never Happen. Just saying.
The bayonets weren't illegal. It was just illegal to attach one to a semi-auto rifle if that rifle accepted detachable magazines.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2012, 20:19
Outside of the restrictions on magazines, firearms and evil features manufactred after 9/94
was this/
IT CREATED AN INGENIOUS Industry of parts and accessories that some how made their way on to the market.
IT also created many small start up companies that produced (OR contracted out) AR Lowers that were not named in the 94 crime bill.
While Colt, BM, Oly, ARmalite could not be sold in CA Other vendors who just started were and in some cases able to still sell AR lowers in CA, NY and other AWB states.
Thumbhole stocks allowed AK's to still be sold.
HOWEVER a lot of small start ups and other business at the time started to mfg (or again contract) 922 Compliant parts.
FSE for one
Tapco is still in business. Federal Arms has passed in to the sunset as did a few other companies.
Williams? a company who cranked out Al FN upper receivers, came and went, jerrymc has one and as i remember from the early FALFILES did some amazing things to it, only not in 308. Jerry remember LarryFN from the midwest:) That guy had a shit load of fn parts & acc. Same for that frog from Quebec?. I still have business cards of theirs.
Enterprise sold receivers and complete FN's so did DSA. Hell DSA was a 2 brothers operation out of Ill. Their mfg of us receivers and importation of Belgium, South African, and brazilian? FN parts kits had folks like me going crazy assembling (for fun and personal pleasure, NOT RESALE) FN's which you could not buy as they were originally sold here, but never the less build or buy from a few vendors.
A few of us remember the SA FN kits with the 1/2 ass SA cammo pattern paint jobs. You could buy a complete kit minus upper receiver and 922 comp parts for $150!
AK's ChiCom, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Polish all were allowed in but again THole stocks.
I could score 20rd Colt branded ar mags and off them for a "reasonable" profit.
The hand guns that were imported such as the HS200, Now the Springfield XD came with 10 rd mags. Smart, thinking guys like Pat of PM gun smithing / Jensens at that time looked at th e10 rd mags measured mag body dimensions and created from Beretta 92 mags 15 round mags that worked in the HS2K's. I was able to convert S&W 59 series 15 rd mags to work in my P99.
While it screwed the pooch for gun owners regarding flash hiders, more than 10 round mags, folding stocks it also Created a whole industry specifically to get around the ban, LEGALLY and within ATF guidelines.
When i dig it up i will post a few pictures from a Cobray catalog i have collecting dust. Think $30 is a high price to pay today for a magazine[LOL][LOL][LOL]
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2012, 20:21
Also the gun shows became laden with "tent stakes" because bayonets were not legal to sell.
They were removed from the SKS as it could not be released from the docks with them on it. Piles of the so called tent stakes were usually on hand somewhere at gun shows.
Tinelement
10-17-2012, 20:27
Thanks for all the info Gents!
'94 I was a freshman so didn't really care either.
Good to learn some of the intel.
Either way, I knew enough about it to be scared last night!
( not like I don't have my mind made up! Sheesh!!! )
jerrymrc
10-17-2012, 20:27
A few of us remember the SA FN kits with the 1/2 ass SA cammo pattern paint jobs. You could buy a complete kit minus upper receiver and 922 comp parts for $150! The days of the $300 Fal. One could buy G-1 or Imbel kits for $89 each and if ya bought two ya got free shipping from Tapco.
Buddy made a hand picked kit right after I got a bum one back then. Look what $300 got ya in 2001. [Flower]
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Goodburbon
10-17-2012, 20:37
They were removed from the SKS as it could not be released from the docks with them on it. Piles of the so called tent stakes were usually on hand somewhere at gun shows.
That explains it, thanks!
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2012, 20:39
The days of the $300 Fal. One could buy G-1 or Imbel kits for $89 each and if ya bought two ya got free shipping from Tapco.
Buddy made a hand picked kit right after I got a bum one back then. Look what $300 got ya in 2001. [Flower]
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/toys/Picture001Custom.jpghttp://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/toys/Picture002Custom.jpg
So what was that frenchies name, Marcel, Louis, George?? You might remember he ran around your neck of the woods.
We turned them down in to 18 & 16" bbl's.
I just remembered Springfield Armory imported a small lot of SAR's, Brazilian H&K Contract runs with the SA Rollmark.
I had 2 of those and one of the 4800's the brazilian FN in 223!. Yeppers restrictions aside you could do a lot with guns, if you put your mind to it. OR networked with everyone else on the web.
Every gun board except GT i am or was Jim:)
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 20:45
Yeah...I wasn't even thinking of SKS spike bayonets. I was picturing regular 'Merican bayonets. That's why I was confused.
:)
jerrymrc
10-17-2012, 20:47
So what was that frenchies name, Marcel, Louis, George?? You might remember he ran around your neck of the woods.
We turned them down in to 18 & 16" bbl's.
I just remembered Springfield Armory imported a small lot of SAR's, Brazilian H&K Contract runs with the SA Rollmark.
I had 2 of those and one of the 4800's the brazilian FN in 223!. Yeppers restrictions aside you could do a lot with guns, if you put your mind to it. OR networked with everyone else on the web.
Every gun board except GT i am or was Jim:)
Are ya talking about CE? His name was Claude. Still talk to him all the time. He is down with the NM thugs. [Coffee]
KevDen2005
10-17-2012, 20:52
So what you're saying is all the people could no longer live in fear of being bayoneted to death...while the bayonet was attached to a rifle?!
We should definitely go back to that...I feel the people across the street are planning a bayonet assault any day. Let's ban it.
Zundfolge
10-17-2012, 20:53
The most important thing that the AWB included (that we need to constantly remind people of) was a prevision requiring the DOJ to do an intensive study into the effects of the AWB and they (the DOJ ... not exactly your biggest "pro-freedom" bureaucracy) determined that the banning of "assault style" weapons and "high capacity magazines"
DID ABSOLUTELY EFFING NOTHING TO REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME, FIREARMS RELATED DEATH OR POLICE OFFICER INJURY/DEATH
(which was the prevarication it was sold to Congress with).
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2012, 20:53
Are ya talking about CE? His name was Claude. Still talk to him all the time. He is down with the NM thugs. [Coffee]
Oui. i believe that's him. He always had good shit. I "Think" his coming & going nort of de border may have helped.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2012, 21:00
The most important thing that the AWB included (that we need to constantly remind people of) was a prevision requiring the DOJ to do an intensive study into the effects of the AWB and they (the DOJ ... not exactly your biggest "pro-freedom" bureaucracy) determined that the banning of "assault style" weapons and "high capacity magazines"
DID ABSOLUTELY EFFING NOTHING TO REDUCE VIOLENCE, DEATH OR POLICE OFFICER INJURY/DEATH
(which was the prevarication it was sold to Congress with).
To this day that finding still means bupkis, to the anti gun crowd., why let facts stand in their way?
A few other things the AWB did was, increase membership in the NRA. It also showed how zealous the dems / liberals are in restricting your 2A rights, including their disdain for the Constitution. Remember to them it is an outdated document. Which they so vehemently cling to when calling for the death of sarah palin, or anyone else they hate, citing their 1st amendment rights. Hypocritical mother fuckers.
Bailey Guns
10-17-2012, 21:05
Oh, yeah. It also got a shitload of republicans elected to the house and senate in 94.
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