Can you build a pistol lower...

[Delfuego]

Can you build a pistol lower out of a regular stripped lower, or does it have to be marked as a pistol lower?
Is it also the same for building a rifle out of a pistol marked lower?
Do the markings really matter, could I build a 5.56 out of a 6.8 marked lower?

[SuperiorDG]

Can you build a pistol lower out of a regular stripped lower, or does it have to be marked as a pistol lower?
Is it also the same for building a rifle out of a pistol marked lower?
Do the markings really matter, could I build a 5.56 out of a 6.8 marked lower?

719 posts and you can't use the search bottom? [Bang]

http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=57303&highlight=pistol+lower

[Delfuego]

Wow your an A-hole, and that thread doesn't really answer my question. I am not converting a rifle into a pistol.

I was asking about stripped lowers. I have a few and was curious.

[SuperiorDG]

Wow your an A-hole, and that thread doesn't really answer my question. I am not converting a rifle into a pistol.

I was asking about stripped lowers. I have a few and was curious.
Short answer if has to be transferred when you did your ffl as either piostol or other. Otherwise its a no go.

[Delfuego]

These are all stripped non-transfered lowers. Just bored and thinking about something different.
Sorry for calling you an A-hole...[Beer]

[SuperiorDG]

These are all stripped non-transfered lowers. Just bored and thinking about something different.
Sorry for calling you an A-hole...[Beer]

Sorry don't know what "non-transfered" means, but when I went through the process of building my AR pistol I learned that it must never had a 4473 put through on it as a rifle. If so it would be an illegal SBR if built as a pistol. I don't know how you can find out if this is the case, but I'm sure the MAN would know if it is ever checked out.

[Gunner]

Damn guys play nice

[JohnnyEgo]

At some point, somebody filled out a 4473 for the stripped lowers you now have in your possession. At that time, it should have been classified as "other" on the 4473. As long as it was not classified "rifle", then you could build it as a pistol, providing you had not already assembled it into a rifle. However, once it has been classified as a rifle, or if you first build it as a rifle, it is always a rifle. How they could tell the later, I know not. But there it is.

[Great-Kazoo]

At some point, somebody filled out a 4473 for the stripped lowers you now have in your possession. At that time, it should have been classified as "other" on the 4473. As long as it was not classified "rifle", then you could build it as a pistol, providing you had not already assembled it into a rifle. However, once it has been classified as a rifle, or if you first build it as a rifle, it is always a rifle. How they could tell the later, I know not. But there it is.

Used the search button, i see:)

[Mazin]

At some point, somebody filled out a 4473 for the stripped lowers you now have in your possession. At that time, it should have been classified as "other" on the 4473. As long as it was not classified "rifle", then you could build it as a pistol, providing you had not already assembled it into a rifle. However, once it has been classified as a rifle, or if you first build it as a rifle, it is always a rifle. How they could tell the later, I know not. But there it is.


[Beer]

[King]

At some point, somebody filled out a 4473 for the stripped lowers you now have in your possession. At that time, it should have been classified as "other" on the 4473. As long as it was not classified "rifle", then you could build it as a pistol, providing you had not already assembled it into a rifle. However, once it has been classified as a rifle, or if you first build it as a rifle, it is always a rifle. How they could tell the later, I know not. But there it is.

This is correct

[geeky]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bump up such an old thread but I have searched and wanted to clarify the information I received, especially from this specific thread. My friend is selling me a stripped lower receiver as a private sale. I am purchasing the lower from him as he was able to get a bulk order discount and bought one for me at his price, under his registration. The FFL marked and registered the stripped lower as a "other" on the 4473 form. The lower is unbuilt and completely stripped. I am planning on building a AR15 pistol and was wondering that someone could confirm that it is legal for me to build an AR15 pistol using this lower.

tl;dr
- buying a brand new stripped lower from friend (purchasing from friend because he bought multiple lowers as a bulk order and passing the discount on one to me)
- friend purchased and registered lower as "other" on 4473 form (NOT rifle)
- completely stripped lower; I will buy purchasing and installing a Stag Arms LPK
- legal to use this lower as a AR15 pistol build?

[MarkCO]

Under current conditions, you can not buy it direct, only through an FFL.

[Great-Kazoo]

Under current conditions, you can not buy it direct, only through an FFL.

Nor is it REGISTERED! [Mad]
- friend purchased and registered lower as "other" on 4473 form ([B]NOT rifle)

[davsel]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bump up such an old thread but I have searched and wanted to clarify the information I received, especially from this specific thread. My friend is selling me a stripped lower receiver as a private sale. I am purchasing the lower from him as he was able to get a bulk order discount and bought one for me at his price, under his registration. The FFL marked and registered the stripped lower as a "other" on the 4473 form. The lower is unbuilt and completely stripped. I am planning on building a AR15 pistol and was wondering that someone could confirm that it is legal for me to build an AR15 pistol using this lower.

tl;dr
- buying a brand new stripped lower from friend (purchasing from friend because he bought multiple lowers as a bulk order and passing the discount on one to me)
- friend purchased and registered lower as "other" on 4473 form (NOT rifle)
- completely stripped lower; I will buy purchasing and installing a Stag Arms LPK
- legal to use this lower as a AR15 pistol build?

If the blade is longer than 3.5 inches, it cannot be carried concealed - unless you are in a vehicle, of course.

[geeky]

sorry I should clarify this, my friend is an FFL dealer. When I say private deal, I mean that I am purchasing it through his business and the 4473 form is all under my name, background check, etc.

MarkCO, I do not understand your statement.

jim, what are you talking about? it seems that I needed to clarify what I was speaking about, but what are you talking about in regards to registration? The 4473 is in my name with my address.

If you guys could give an example of how to legally make an AR15 pistol, that would help me a lot with this information. Before you guys give me links to search, I have searched which is why I've posted in this thread. Just trying to be a responsible firearm owner and need clarification which is why I'm here for help and asking questions.

[driver]

If the blade is longer than 3.5 inches, it cannot be carried concealed - unless you are in a vehicle, of course.

Ha!
Could said pistol be a spring asist or a 'gravity' pistol though?

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[davsel]

The four posts immediately before your first post, answer your question.

YES - build away

[Great-Kazoo]

sorry I should clarify this, my friend is an FFL dealer. When I say private deal, I mean that I am purchasing it through his business and the 4473 form is all under my name, background check, etc.

MarkCO, I do not understand your statement.

jim, what are you talking about? it seems that I needed to clarify what I was speaking about, but what are you talking about in regards to registration? The 4473 is in my name with my address.
the 4473 is not a registration of the firearm. only your info, DOB, DL # FULL NAME INCL MI, IF ANY. AT NO TIME DOES THE CBI PERSON OR WEBSITE ASK FOR MAKE , MODEL SERIAL NUMBER. THIS has been beaten to death numerous times. SEARCH FUNCTION.

If you guys could give an example of how to legally make an AR15 pistol,
1) Buy it that way
2) BUY A STRIPPED LOWER, ONLY HAVE THEM CHECK OFF OTHER
3)REMEMBER YOU MUST BE 21 OR OLDER TO BUY A PISTOL FROM A FFL
that would help me a lot with this information. Before you guys give me links to search, I have searched which is why I've posted in this thread. Just trying to be a responsible firearm owner and need clarification which is why I'm here for help and asking questions.

[geeky]

jim, it seems that I need some clarification, this is what I understand. An AR15 pistol is just that, a "pistol." According to Colorado law, it is illegal to register a firearm with the state in accordance with CRS 29-11.7-102. More importantly, the ATF defines a pistol as a weapon designed and intended to fire a projectile with one hand, which an AR15 pistol with the pistol buffer tube is, in accordance with National Firearms Act (NFA), 27 C.F.R. § 479.11. The buffer tube is NOT legally considered to be a rifle stock and an AR15 pistol buffer tube does not have the capability to have a stock placed on it, but it does have the ability to have an SB15 placed on it which according to the ATF is NOT a stock.

That being said, since I am building a AR15 PISTOL it is NOT a short barrel rifle (SBR) and is not registered with the ATF. More importantly the 4473 form is actually a Transaction Record (18 U.S.C. Chapter 44) and though not a registration, can technically be used as a registration in the form of a forward trace. The form DOES ask for Manufacturer, Model, Serial Number, Type, Caliber (#26-30 on 4473 form), not saying the website or CBI does or does not.

And just so you know I'm searching, here are my references. This isn't my first rodeo on a forum.
Form 4473 from ATF (#26-30)
http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Colorado State Patrol in regards to registration of firearms
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010

ATF Website directly discussing what a pistol/handgun is
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

EDIT: Also in regards to the AR platform being modular and can easily be made into an SBR/AOW, I will take all the proper photographs, receipts, and such and have everything notorized so if asked, I have legal paperwork of all my purchase to build an AR15 specific pistol.

Also in regards to the legality of building an AR15 Pistol using a stripped receiver that has never been barreled as a rifle nor 4473'd as a rifle but rather an "other" can be made into a AR15 Pistol without impeaching on an legal jurisdictions. Here is the "Search Functioned" result and proof for anyone who later finds this thread and wishes to build an AR15 Pistol.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/525036_Request___Scans_of_any_letters_from_the_BAT FE__that_pertain_to_AR_pistols.html

[Circuits]

As long as the receiver has never been assembled into a complete firearm, it can be made into a pistol.

Colorado does not have firearm registration - some states or counties or cities do, but Colorado does not, at least not yet, so don't worry about it.

If you want some proof you built it as a pistol, take a dated picture of it after you build it that way, and keep for your records.