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Aloha_Shooter
10-27-2012, 21:02
First, the scenario:
I got stopped tonight by a state trooper after testing out my new-to-me 1911. He said I was doing 39 in a 30; I apologized and told him I wasn't aware of that as I'd been looking at the road and sides of the road (after all, it was dark and Halloween weekend). He asked what I was doing on that particular road (?). The question struck me as odd but I told him I had just finished test firing a new pistol.
He then asked if I had a gun in the car. I told him I did, one under the shirt (both hands were on the wheel in plain sight before he got to my window) and the pistol I had been firing was in the trunk. I nodded to my wallet laying open on the window sill with the CCP showing and told him I had my concealed carry permit there.
I gave him my license and he just asked me to verbally verify I had insurance when he saw the mass of paperwork I was sorting through. He then asked me to take my CCP out of the wallet and said he wasn't going to ticket me but he had to run it in since he stopped me.
Question 1: What the heck did he need to run in since he wasn't ticketing me and why did he need my CCP to do it?
As an aside, after he returned with license and permit, he asked why I felt the need to carry concealed. He said he didn't want to offend me and he wasn't against it, he just asks everyone because he's curious. I was frankly shocked at the question.
All kinds of retorts came to mind like "same reason I take first aid training and know CPR" or "do I need to have a reason to exercise my rights?" but he was calm and professional and I didn't want to make a scene so I just told him the average police response time is about 10 minutes and while I don't want to ever have to use my firearms, situations unfold fast and I don't want regret after the fact NOT having had something to defend myself. He nodded and wished me a safe drive so I hope that's the end of it.
Question 2: Is this a normal line of inquiry for the state troopers? Is there something I don't know about going on that would lead one to ask these kinds of questions?
I want to reiterate, I have no problem with LEOs or being stopped if I was speeding. I'm just curious about what the CCP has to do with a traffic stop and what he had to log or call in if I wasn't getting a ticket.
Eggysrun
10-27-2012, 21:10
I dunno, he did say he asks everyone and was curious. Seems a good enough reason for me.
Lucky to have a trooper who was lenient, rule of thumb is usually 7 over you'll get a ticket.
How many minutes did the stop last? I ask everyone that question just because I am curious? [Coffee]
If you were speeding, he had the right to stop and issue. While he was in contact, he can ask any question he wants to and you had a decision to make about how you wanted to answer. It sounds like he was honest in his curiosity and he probably appreciated your response. Did he give you a contact card? Some troopers give these out after a stop when they don't issue a summons. It is basically a business card with a contact number to report an compliments or complaints to CSP.
Be safe.
Aloha_Shooter
10-27-2012, 21:33
Yeah, I got a contact card. As I said, I have no complaints with him stopping me if I was speeding. I genuinely was scanning the street and sidewalks rather than the speedometer. I don't have any problem with the trooper either -- I'm just curious what my permit had to do with the traffic stop and what he would have been calling in or recording. The question struck me as odd (most LEOs I've had personal contact with have been supporters of concealed carry for the public) but didn't bug me.
BPTactical
10-27-2012, 21:41
(Disclaimer-not LE but have dealt with CSP lots over the years)
He probably just did a normal clearance, just because you have a CCP doesn't mean you might not have a warrant.
State Patrol? I am surprised he "chatted" with you and lucky he didn't write you. I have dealt with them enough to know they are a different breed.
Most of me says a just a legit question on his behalf and he does want to know why but maybe fishing a bit too.
sounds like he was just making conversation since you offered up your CCP right off the bat.
Or he might be one of the guys who thinks only LEO and Military should have guns and the rest of us are ill trained and not mentally stable enough. He might just ask that question to write out his own response to the people he pulled over on some LEO forum.
Either way, sounds like it was very professional, he let you go which was a huge plus and you had the opportunity to tell a LEO why you carry. Sounds like the best way to get pulled over if it is going to happen.
Great-Kazoo
10-27-2012, 22:06
Wants? and Warrants. The most clean cut guy's, basic story can sound plausible until their DL is called in.
trlcavscout
10-27-2012, 22:13
Worst LEO I have dealt with was csp! I dont know what they see here they may need your card number to verify its not revoked? From what my friends at a couple different sherriffs offices in Nevada told me, they could see your ccw info by running your plates? But in Las Vegas you also had to register all handguns and you had to qualify with each gun you carried and have its serial number on your permit.
Did you give him your drivers license. If not he probably just took your info from your ccw permit to check for warrants or revoked/suspended license etc.
Im not surprised by him asking you why you choose to carry. Surprisingly, a lot of cops are anti gun. That doesnt mean he is but makes you wonder
OneGuy67
10-27-2012, 22:45
As a LEO, I have an interest in knowing if there are firearms or any other weapons readily accessible by anyone I contact. The fact you had your concealed carry card out would indicate to me, you probably had a firearm with you. You need to remember, that LEO does not know you, does not know if you are a decent person, or just killed your wife and are leaving the area. When the records check comes back as you not having any warrants and a valid drivers license, there is no need to continue the contact. However, if you had a warrant, that information would be valuable.
He may have had a legitimate curiosity as to your desire to carry concealed and giving him a smart assed answer is juvenile. You gave him an honest answer and satisfied his curiosity and maybe enlightened him in a positive way.
In Colorado, if a person is stopped on a traffic violation and not issued a summons, a business card is required to be given. It was enacted several years ago when a legislator had a hard on for Denver PD. They are required to obtain all sorts of information in their stops for statistical analysis and the rest of us have to give out a business card.
Eggysrun
10-27-2012, 23:06
As a LEO, I have an interest in knowing if there are firearms or any other weapons readily accessible by anyone I contact. The fact you had your concealed carry card out would indicate to me, you probably had a firearm with you. You need to remember, that LEO does not know you, does not know if you are a decent person, or just killed your wife and are leaving the area. When the records check comes back as you not having any warrants and a valid drivers license, there is no need to continue the contact. However, if you had a warrant, that information would be valuable.
He may have had a legitimate curiosity as to your desire to carry concealed and giving him a smart assed answer is juvenile. You gave him an honest answer and satisfied his curiosity and maybe enlightened him in a positive way.
In Colorado, if a person is stopped on a traffic violation and not issued a summons, a business card is required to be given. It was enacted several years ago when a legislator had a hard on for Denver PD. They are required to obtain all sorts of information in their stops for statistical analysis and the rest of us have to give out a business card.
Another thing about the business card is if you've had a good experience with a LEO, it's always a good thing to call whatever department they're in and just leave some positive feedback for that LEO to their superviser. One thing I've learnt is that a LEO's performance is based on their arrests and commendations from the public. I personally think it's important for the good LEO's out there because those commendations from the public stay on their record, and definately keeps them motivated to keep up the good work.
lead_magnet
10-28-2012, 00:01
Another thing about the business card is if you've had a good experience with a LEO, it's always a good thing to call whatever department they're in and just leave some positive feedback for that LEO to their superviser. One thing I've learnt is that a LEO's performance is based on their arrests and commendations from the public. I personally think it's important for the good LEO's out there because those commendations from the public stay on their record, and definately keeps them motivated to keep up the good work.
^this
1: If he didn't take your license back to his car with him when he took your CCP, he used it to check you for wants/warrants and to check the status of your driver's license. Having a license on you that looks valid doesn't mean it is. If he did take your license and your CCP, he probably used that time to inspect your CCP or used it to familiarize himself with one from whatever county issued yours. Anytime you get pulled over, ticket or not, you will be checked via NCIC/CCIC. It is standard practice, we even run little old ladies.
2: No that is not a normal line of questioning. Would I be worried? No. I chit-chat with people from time to time and have probably asked some questions and said things that left people guessing. It beats having the "just the facts ma'am" attitude.
SA Friday
10-28-2012, 01:04
the "just the facts ma'am" attitude.
Questions that illicit a response more than yes or no ARE the facts. Everyone overlooked the "why are you driving down this road" question. The response to this one said it all. It said, "no problems here, not a reason to dig further."
Good training and experience. I suspect, although not mentioned, this cop was older and wiser.
lead_magnet
10-28-2012, 01:16
Usually when people refer to cops having the "just the facts ma'am" attitude, mean that they dont' want to hear any information, no bs, no chit chat, "39 in a 30 MPH zone, here is your ticket, press hard there's five copies" IMHO not good police work.
You are correct about the justification for the location of the stop. Usually a "where are you headed?" "where are you coming from?" set of questions can be expected with most stops.
sneakerd
10-28-2012, 08:06
On the totally opposite tact, I got out of a ticket last week BECAUSE I have a CCW. Got pulled over s/b on Sheridan at 46th at approx 8:45pm on my way home from work. I made a right turn on the red light from 48th to go s/b on Sheridan. I had missed the Sheridan exit from I-70 w/b, had to get off at Harlan. Pulled over by a Wheat Ridge copper. My pistol is kept in a Maxpedition bag, which was on the pass. seat. On approach, my 4Runner was off, inside light turned on, hands on the wheel with my DL. The first thing I told the p.o. was that I was a CCW holder, and there was a pistol in the bag to my right. I still had to get my ins. card from the armrest, he closely watched me do that. Checked it all out and handed my DL and ins. back to me with a smile. He said- "I thought I had an easy ticket back there- then you tell me you're CCW- I like CCW holders!". We shot the breeze for a few and went our seperate ways. I get pulled over fairly regularly because of the way I drive. I almost never get a ticket. [Weight][Tooth]
[PoPo]
I love cops. All of them.
Aloha_Shooter
10-28-2012, 09:05
Don't get me wrong. This guy was totally professional and I quite understand his desire to know the whereabouts of any weapons. He wants to see his family again as much as any of us do. That's why I had the wallet out and both hands visible on the wheel before he came up. I would have figured he'd get any warrant status from the DL so was surprised that he took the CCP with him as well; I wasn't thinking about needing to check that validity as well.
I also wasn't thinking about public contact reflecting in their acvancement; will drop a line of kudos to his unit.
KevDen2005
10-28-2012, 09:34
Usually when people refer to cops having the "just the facts ma'am" attitude, mean that they dont' want to hear any information, no bs, no chit chat, "39 in a 30 MPH zone, here is your ticket, press hard there's five copies" IMHO not good police work.
You are correct about the justification for the location of the stop. Usually a "where are you headed?" "where are you coming from?" set of questions can be expected with most stops.
I get accused this sometimes and was told just yesterday that I have no sense of humor. Obviously they don't know me and I have an awesome sense of humor. But the reason why I am straight forward on a few issues and kind of hard nosed about being too friendly is because of situations like I was in. I was accused and complained on a few years ago because I was trying to be friendly and just making basic chit chat while I did my job. The accusation was that I was picking that person's side because I laughed at their joke or whatever.
KevDen2005
10-28-2012, 09:37
Another thing about the business card is if you've had a good experience with a LEO, it's always a good thing to call whatever department they're in and just leave some positive feedback for that LEO to their superviser. One thing I've learnt is that a LEO's performance is based on their arrests and commendations from the public. I personally think it's important for the good LEO's out there because those commendations from the public stay on their record, and definately keeps them motivated to keep up the good work.
This is always a plus. Just like most jobs I think no one ever calls in to say that guy did a good job or was really professional. When the public calls in to say so it is really good for the officer and the PD. Where I work a complaint is always dealt with the harshest way possible, even if they person just thinks you were rude and it wasn't the case at all. Luckily one of the sergeants where I work does what a sergeant is supposed to do. I got a complaint one time about being rude and mean to this person's son, who ran a stop sign and was speeding. I gave him a warning and a business card, mainly because I was cold and being rained on. But the Sergeant actually told the mother, "I don't know if you are getting the whole truth from your son, that officer is probably the nicest officer in this department."
KevDen2005
10-28-2012, 09:45
As a LEO, I have an interest in knowing if there are firearms or any other weapons readily accessible by anyone I contact. The fact you had your concealed carry card out would indicate to me, you probably had a firearm with you. You need to remember, that LEO does not know you, does not know if you are a decent person, or just killed your wife and are leaving the area. When the records check comes back as you not having any warrants and a valid drivers license, there is no need to continue the contact. However, if you had a warrant, that information would be valuable.
He may have had a legitimate curiosity as to your desire to carry concealed and giving him a smart assed answer is juvenile. You gave him an honest answer and satisfied his curiosity and maybe enlightened him in a positive way.
In Colorado, if a person is stopped on a traffic violation and not issued a summons, a business card is required to be given. It was enacted several years ago when a legislator had a hard on for Denver PD. They are required to obtain all sorts of information in their stops for statistical analysis and the rest of us have to give out a business card.
As always, way ahead of me OneGuy! But I wanted to add, I will often ask questions that you thought weren't necessary so I can make conversation with you. That is so I can find out why you may be in an area that is being reported of having high crime during certain hours, or lots of suspicious activity being reported (lets just say after a very serious and horrible crime in the metro area). The citizens that report these things may have legitimate concerns and I can't brush them off just because I think they may be overreacting. Also I am trying to make conversation with you to see if I get any odor of alcohol or other information about possible crime, no matter how dumb a person thinks it is. It could be very legitimate.
The guy may be curious about conceal carrying or shooting because he is excited to meet a like minded thinker. I couldn't possibly imagine what my pd would say when if I told people, "Get a gun" when they ask "What do you think I should do?" But it's always nice for me to meet like minded people and chat them up a little about their guns if I get the impression they would BS for a minute. And yes, CSP, you're lucky, I believe they have no sense of humor.
If a person has a gun in the car it's nice to know. Most often I won't remove it. There have been a few times that I have, mainly when contacting a person involved in crime other than traffic violations. I generally just secure it during my contact, but again that's fairly rare as in most traffic stops for me aren't for that purpose.
OneGuy67
10-28-2012, 13:10
Kevin, you said it very well! I was typing on a tablet and it isn't easy to be overly articulate with two fingers.
spqrzilla
10-28-2012, 13:21
Any officer is going to run warrants once he stops you regardless of what else he has decided to do. He does not want his name on the news as the guy who stopped a wanted violent felon, didn't check and let him go.
He sounds like a guy who wanted to have a conversation with you to see what popped up, and his question about why you had a permit was a good question to start a conversation with you about while he waited for the warrant check.
If you started talking about space aliens, or being able to go shoot up the White House, he'd have found a reason to get more intrusive I suspect.
Worst LEO I have dealt with was csp! I dont know what they see here they may need your card number to verify its not revoked? From what my friends at a couple different sherriffs offices in Nevada told me, they could see your ccw info by running your plates? But in Las Vegas you also had to register all handguns and you had to qualify with each gun you carried and have its serial number on your permit.
Colorado CHP data submitted by the counties was removed from the "persons of interest" database by legislative order this past summer.
Usually when people refer to cops having the "just the facts ma'am" attitude, mean that they dont' want to hear any information, no bs, no chit chat, "39 in a 30 MPH zone, here is your ticket, press hard there's five copies" IMHO not good police work.
You are correct about the justification for the location of the stop. Usually a "where are you headed?" "where are you coming from?" set of questions can be expected with most stops.
On the totally opposite tact, I got out of a ticket last week BECAUSE I have a CCW. Got pulled over s/b on Sheridan at 46th at approx 8:45pm on my way home from work. I made a right turn on the red light from 48th to go s/b on Sheridan. I had missed the Sheridan exit from I-70 w/b, had to get off at Harlan. Pulled over by a Wheat Ridge copper. My pistol is kept in a Maxpedition bag, which was on the pass. seat. On approach, my 4Runner was off, inside light turned on, hands on the wheel with my DL. The first thing I told the p.o. was that I was a CCW holder, and there was a pistol in the bag to my right. I still had to get my ins. card from the armrest, he closely watched me do that. Checked it all out and handed my DL and ins. back to me with a smile. He said- "I thought I had an easy ticket back there- then you tell me you're CCW- I like CCW holders!". We shot the breeze for a few and went our seperate ways. I get pulled over fairly regularly because of the way I drive. I almost never get a ticket. [Weight][Tooth]
[PoPo]
I love cops. All of them.
My last contact for speeding, with Elbert County just a few weeks ago, included the "where are you heading to/coming from." The "to" being home and the "from" being BLGC, and some idle chit-chat about BLGC (where they train/qaul) and the opening day of Pronghorn season seemed to negate the need to ask if there were any weapons in the car. That fact, plus the conspicuous showing of my CHP during removal of my DL from my money clip, doing all the right things during a stop, including pulling off and waiting for him as soon as I saw him come over the rise after flipping a bitch, likely contributed to the lack of a citation. I did receive a contact card and we both went on our merry ways.
FWIW, he did tell me to slow down because, "there are some crazy hunters standing ON the highway, and CSP is out in force." [LOL]
I've been lucky in the last few stops. Acting right - hands on wheel, lights on, window down, announcing your movements, speaking politely, and answering questions truthfully - will help put things in your favor. IMHO, having any sort of Military plate never hurts. I was once specifically told during a contact with CSP I would not be issued a citation because I was a vet and it was Veteran's Day. :D
OneGuy67
10-28-2012, 14:30
Colorado CHP data submitted by the counties was removed from the "persons of interest" database by legislative order this past summer.
My last contact for speeding, with Elbert County just a few weeks ago, included the "where are you heading to/coming from." The "to" being home and the "from" being BLGC, and some idle chit-chat about BLGC (where they train/qaul) and the opening day of Pronghorn season seemed to negate the need to ask if there were any weapons in the car. That fact, plus the conspicuous showing of my CHP during removal of my DL from my money clip, doing all the right things during a stop, including pulling off and waiting for him as soon as I saw him come over the rise after flipping a bitch, likely contributed to the lack of a citation. I did receive a contact card and we both went on our merry ways.
FWIW, he did tell me to slow down because, "there are some crazy hunters standing ON the highway, and CSP is out in force." [LOL]
I've been lucky in the last few stops. Acting right - hands on wheel, lights on, window down, announcing your movements, speaking politely, and answering questions truthfully - will help put things in your favor. IMHO, having any sort of Military plate never hurts. I was once specifically told during a contact with CSP I would not be issued a citation because I was a vet and it was Veteran's Day. :D
About a decade ago, there was a young man who owes me his military career. I was a graveyard patrol officer and I was working DUI enforcement on I-25. I caught a vehicle speeding 20+ miles over the speed limit and pulled it over. The young man was in his Air Force dress blues and very drunk. He had graduated from the Air Force Academy that day and had celebrated too hard to be driving. I mulled my options. Do I put him through roadsides and eventually arrest him for being DUI, which would certainly bring his military career to a complete stop, or do I call his CO, which would almost have the same effect as the first, or do I have him call a friend to come pick him up? I chose the latter and we waited on the side of the highway for over an hour for his friend to come from the Springs and pick his butt up. He didn't leave without the obligatory lecture and him knowing my military background and the fact he just got the biggest break of his young life.
You see, you don't hear these stories; we do not advertise them. These are people who do not call the supervisor and tell them the officer was doing a great job, was polite, or was nice.
My $0.02.
Snowman78
10-28-2012, 16:10
You did get lucky not getting a ticket. I have 2 buddies who are Leo that both got tickets from Chp
One was in uniform one the way home from work (Speeding, 11 over) the other one was on duty in his partrol car!
I was pulled over a couple years ago...had no idea I blew through a stop sign...I informed the officer I was a CCW carrier. We chatted and he let me go on my way. I was blown away by how nice the officer was and only wished I could have bought him a coffee.
You did get lucky not getting a ticket. I have 2 buddies who are Leo that both got tickets from Chp
One was in uniform one the way home from work (Speeding, 11 over) the other one was on duty in his partrol car!
You can get a ticket in a patrol car?!?
Snowman78
10-28-2012, 18:13
Yep, he had a very small accident (rolled into the car in front on him) no injuries and no property damage but the CHP still gave him a ticket.
lead_magnet
10-28-2012, 20:41
You can get a ticket in a patrol car?!?
Yup. Not to mention there are TON of folks who absolutely love to call and complain anytime you don't use a signal, or if your park wrong, or that your "spotlight is distracting", not wearing a seatbelt etc. Not thinking about the reasons an officer might be doing those things.
If you really wanna feel like everyone is watching you and just waiting for you to make the most minor mistake, drive a patrol car around for a while.
I drive a jet and every time I go out to use the Lav I've got 150 eyes staring at me like I should hold it for 6 hours and get my ass back up front.
Yup. Not to mention there are TON of folks who absolutely love to call and complain anytime you don't use a signal, or if your park wrong, or that your "spotlight is distracting", not wearing a seatbelt etc. Not thinking about the reasons an officer might be doing those things.
If you really wanna feel like everyone is watching you and just waiting for you to make the most minor mistake, drive a patrol car around for a while.
Snowman78
10-28-2012, 21:00
That's funny! I worked as part of a flight crew and people would always freak out when the flight deck door opens and the captain or first officer came out.
I drive a jet and every time I go out to use the Lav I've got 150 eyes staring at me like I should hold it for 6 hours and get my ass back up front.
You're allowed out of the cockpit?
I thought you had a bathroom in there next to he bed?
Who flies the plane then?
Is it going to be bumpy?
How much longer?
[Tooth]
I agree with everyone else. You are lucky you did not get a ticket for the speeding, or for the insurance if you could not find it. He probably did run you for warrants, and he also would of logged your information on his log sheet. My experience with CSP has rarely been favorable whether it was off duty or on. I agree with the others its a good idea to leave positive comments with his troop if there is a number listed. You never know when you will run into him again.
lead_magnet
10-28-2012, 21:42
I drive a jet and every time I go out to use the Lav I've got 150 eyes staring at me like I should hold it for 6 hours and get my ass back up front.
Ha ha, you should have some water in a coor light can, step out, burp, take a few drinks and carry it back into the cockpit.
SA Friday
10-28-2012, 22:30
You're allowed out of the cockpit?
I thought you had a bathroom in there next to he bed?
Who flies the plane then?
Is it going to be bumpy?
How much longer?
[Tooth]
You forgot 'Are we there yet'.
I used to get out of tickets all the time when I was in high school. There were definitely times I deserved them. Apexing the corners (while straddling the double yellow lines) of that "S" curve behind the Taco Bell at 44th and Kipling. Passed a cop while straddling the lines. No ticket. Fish tailed passed a CSP parked on the shoulder of I-70 one night on my way home from work. I was doing probably 90 mph. No ticket. Once I got out of high school, I never got out of a ticket again. Not until very recently. I got popped for making a left out of a driveway with a very clear "No left turn" sign, IN ADDITION to the concrete sidewalk specifically designed to prevent people from turning left (as the officer pointed out). After getting a lecture, I kind of "argued" with the officer. He went back to his bike, and after sitting there for a bit, I realized that he didn't take my stuff, and instead of running my info, he had just gotten onto his bike and went back to his spot to nab someone else. I waved to him out the window in thanks, but he didn't notice.
I am always polite to police, but that was the weirdest experience I've ever had. I felt like the guy threw a fit and took his bike and went home. I really was grateful that he didn't write me a ticket, as he could have and I wouldn't have even complained, because I clearly broke the law, and did it intentionally. Honestly, had he not lectured me, I would have gotten a ticket and gone on my way. Isn't it weird that I made a cop angry, and he let me loose instead of writing me up?
Ever since that little "event" with one of our captains, I try to stay hidden. I'm guessing you and a few others are more than familiar with the drill. I'm paid to fly...not convince you too.
You're allowed out of the cockpit?
I thought you had a bathroom in there next to he bed?
Who flies the plane then?
Is it going to be bumpy?
How much longer?
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KevDen2005
10-29-2012, 08:27
I am always polite to police, but that was the weirdest experience I've ever had. I felt like the guy threw a fit and took his bike and went home. I really was grateful that he didn't write me a ticket, as he could have and I wouldn't have even complained, because I clearly broke the law, and did it intentionally. Honestly, had he not lectured me, I would have gotten a ticket and gone on my way. Isn't it weird that I made a cop angry, and he let me loose instead of writing me up?
Sometimes I want to vent and give a lecture rather than write a ticket. So I can find out, on something like that, what people were thinking and I can be a little sarcastic. So then if a person makes a complaint about me being sarcastic they should feel like real a-holes for making a complaint on a cop for not giving them a ticket after they broke the law.
It's hilarious when a person, just yesterday, made a left on a red arrow a good two whole seconds after the light changed and I was in the #1 lane at the red light. All the other lanes didn't move after it turned green because they were all looking at me. Finally a cop was there when they needed one. So I grabbed the lady, who continued to drive like a moron, just nothing illegal. I told her why she was stopped and she immediately argues with me over and over again. Finally I get pissed and told her I will not argue in a stern voice. She said, "why are you yelling at me?" and she started crying. I was like, seriously? Get a grip.
Come to find out she is an elementary school teacher who hates when students argue with her over stuff they did wrong and one of her students was riding in the car in front of her and saw her get popped. She still didn't get it when I made the comparison about arguing.
I used to get out of tickets all the time when I was in high school. There were definitely times I deserved them. Apexing the corners (while straddling the double yellow lines) of that "S" curve behind the Taco Bell at 44th and Kipling.
Haha, I was just there this morning, and got ahead of traffic just so I could apex the corners! [Beer]
I think too many folks don't realize just how stressful LEO's jobs can be... people need to remember that most of the time they only deal with negative things (people breaking the law, big and small, and criminals). I have yet to have contact with a LEO since getting my CCW... But I will say- some departments probably require reports for every traffic stop, ticket or not, and he was probably noting the permit number for his report/records.
You're allowed out of the cockpit?
I thought you had a bathroom in there next to he bed?
Who flies the plane then?
Is it going to be bumpy?
How much longer?
[Tooth]
Oh the tangent we could go off with stupid things people say on the plane.
I don't mind the lecture, if it gets me out of the ticket. Likewise, if the officer is determined to write me a ticket, I'd just as soon skip the lecture part... [ROFL1].
Agreed on the CCW assisting in positively influencing the officer. Been pulled over a couple of times since I've had my permit, and had positive interactions. Got a warning instead of a richly deserved speeding ticket once, got a ticket(also richly deserved) the other time, but the cop was almost apologetic about having to issue it.
BPTactical
10-29-2012, 16:06
Come to find out she is an elementary school teacher who hates when students argue with her over stuff they did wrong and one of her students was riding in the car in front of her and saw her get popped. She still didn't get it when I made the comparison about arguing.
Bwaaahhaahhhaaa[ROFL1][ROFL2]
I don't mind the lecture, if it gets me out of the ticket. Likewise, if the officer is determined to write me a ticket, I'd just as soon skip the lecture part... [ROFL1].
#1 rule for cops. You either give a ticket or a lecture. NEVER BOTH. That's a for sure way to get a complaint.
sneakerd
10-29-2012, 17:25
#1 Rule for Civvies- NEVER argue with a copper when he is on the job. Shut your mouth, take your "punishment" and leave the scene quietly.
Its been years since I was in uniform, pushing a patrol car, but...
If I wanted to lecture people, I would have taught at a community college.
As I recall, I wrote as few tickets as I could get away with. I would much rather make my overtime in court for an arrest than for traffic. My version of Miranda went something like: "You have the right to remain silent. Do us both a favor and use it. I already had enough to arrest you and I don't need to or like to write more than I have to."
Once in a while I found some interesting people to talk to, but most of them were business people in the areas I worked. Talking to people was just another source of information.
I know this sounds cynical, but I have found that most workers live by the rule of maximizing their pay for the minimum work performed. This is true for plumbers, bankers and cops. It has been true for me as well. [Flower]
Be safe.
Oh the tangent we could go off with stupid things people say on the plane.
had a couple good ones today!
guy about 300+lbs gets off today, shaking his head says we need bigger seats. I wanted to tell him he needs smaller meals.
Woman gets off on another flight very wide eyed wondering what gate we parked at and where her next flight was at and was worried about her connection. I told her that if she listened to my announcement she would know we were at XX gate and that we are in 25 minutes early and unless she planned it poorly that she will have no problem making her connection!
I don't mind the lecture, if it gets me out of the ticket. Likewise, if the officer is determined to write me a ticket, I'd just as soon skip the lecture part... [ROFL1].
Agreed on the CCW assisting in positively influencing the officer. Been pulled over a couple of times since I've had my permit, and had positive interactions. Got a warning instead of a richly deserved speeding ticket once, got a ticket(also richly deserved) the other time, but the cop was almost apologetic about having to issue it.
Got pulled over at about 4am heading to the airport a few years back. was in my now wifes car, not in my name. admas county sheriff asks for the typical paperwork, then runs them, then turns on his spotlight and asks if I have a weapon in the car. I shake my head no.
He lectured me about not telling him about having a carry permit and that I was required to tell him. I argued I am absolutely not required to tell him, and for his own safety he should assume everyone has a gun, and those with CCW are probably some of the safest people he will meet...its the rest he should be more concerned about.
I never admitted to speeding and I think he never got me on radar as he was out of his car with someone else pulled over when I passed him. Not sure if the CCW helped me or if he just didn't have anything on me. I just assumed having it helped me out.
I was recently talking to a Pueblo Officer, and was told depending on how thorough the dispatcher is. Running your plates will come back "Known to carry weapons", unless the dispatcher checks deeper that is all the LEO knows.
Great-Kazoo
11-03-2012, 18:49
I was recently talking to a Pueblo Officer, and was told depending on how thorough the dispatcher is. Running your plates will come back "Known to carry weapons", unless the dispatcher checks deeper that is all the LEO knows.
Supposedly that CCW info is no longer viewable on a TS.
Great-Kazoo
11-03-2012, 18:52
had a couple good ones today!
guy about 300+lbs gets off today, shaking his head says we need bigger seats. I wanted to tell him he needs smaller meals.
Woman gets off on another flight very wide eyed wondering what gate we parked at and where her next flight was at and was worried about her connection. I told her that if she listened to my announcement she would know we were at XX gate and that we are in 25 minutes early and unless she planned it poorly that she will have no problem making her connection!
Man you're on #$%^&*bullying SOB. Good thing you don't pull that shit here, XXXXXX would..........never mind he's either gone or having one of our more "Sensitive" members keep him in the loop.
I was recently talking to a Pueblo Officer, and was told depending on how thorough the dispatcher is. Running your plates will come back "Known to carry weapons", unless the dispatcher checks deeper that is all the LEO knows.
Not true to my knowledge.
Supposedly that CCW info is no longer viewable on a TS.
This ^
However, I've been unable to locate any reference that indicates the CCW holder's info was actually purged from the database as was intended.
The concealed weapons file maintained by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation will be purged by June 30 under the "sunset provision" of Colorado statute 18-12-206(3)(b) by the 2007 Colorado General Assembly. Information previously submitted by law enforcement agencies regarding concealed carry weapons permits statewide will no longer be available, Chaffee County Sheriff Pete Palmer said recently. Palmer said the Colorado bureau will no longer accept or maintain future data. "All other provisions of the state law remain in effect," he said. Colorado residents will be allowed to receive concealed handgun permits and previously issued valid permits remain valid.
I know this sounds cynical, but I have found that most workers live by the rule of maximizing their pay for the minimum work performed. This is true for plumbers, bankers and cops. It has been true for me as well. [Flower]
This is gold. I'm just now starting to figure this out. I had high expectations of people when I was young.
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