View Full Version : Hey LEOs... Duty gun?
I was thinking about it yesterday as I was talking with a deputy friend of mine, he carries a Glock 17 9mm, and I was curious as to what all our LEOs on here carry as their duty pistol... If your department issues or has an approved list, okay, cool, what do you carry? Do you like it? If your department let's you pick dependent on caliber and what not, what did you pick?
Just curious, as I'm hoping to get on JCSO whenever their next hiring goes on. I plan on either carrying a Glock 17 or 22, or a Sig P229 9mm... unless there is something out there one of you guys would recommend instead. [Beer]
OneGuy67
10-31-2012, 10:36
Didn't you run a thread like this last year?
My agency issues Glock 23's in .40 SW. I hate Glocks and was given permission to carry my Sig P229 in .40 SW. I've carried this particular firearm with two different agencies and for nearly 15 years.
SouthPaw
10-31-2012, 10:42
Didn't you run a thread like this last year?
Him and about 4 other members...at least this time it is not in the General Discussion thread.
They picked the G23 over the G22?
I think I might have... but I don't think I asked "What do you carry and do you like it" or something to that effect... I'm more trying to figure out which I should be first and become expert at and use as my duty gun: G17, or P229 (I already own the G22, so if that's recommended then I'll just keep shooting that and get better at it). [Beer]
I know I started one before the great crash. I know a person at jeffco who carrys a 19.
SA Friday
10-31-2012, 10:58
Didn't you run a thread like this last year?
My agency issues Glock 23's in .40 SW. I hate Glocks and was given permission to carry my Sig P229 in .40 SW. I've carried this particular firearm with two different agencies and for nearly 15 years.
Too funny... I was issued a Sig P228 (M11), before that a Beretta 92FS (M9). Couldn't stand the M9. Didn't like the M11 either, but I had no other options so I practiced with it regularly. I was shooting Glocks competitively at the same time and preferred them.
The OP question at it's roots doesn't really matter. Whatever pistol, it's practicing with it that matters more.
Since finances (or lack thereof) is one of your frequent complaints here, shouldn't you be more concerned with getting on with Jeffco before buying and trying to become an "expert" with whatever duty weapon you might be carrying?
On another note...fundamentals are fundamentals. Either you have them or you dont; you can shoot or you can't. Glock vs Sig doesn't matter much there other than difference in grip angle. Everything thing else is all personal preference and some presentation practice. I would worry about other skills you will need immediately before what pistol, you will be carrying.
OneGuy67
10-31-2012, 11:25
They picked the G23 over the G22?
Don't ask me. I hate Glocks. All of them are the same to me.
Snowman78
10-31-2012, 11:25
I have 3 buddys who are LEO:
1 carries a Glock 17 9mm and the other 2 carrie 1911's
1st issued S&W Model 15 4" carrying .38 Spl +P+
2nd issued S&W Model 19 2.5" carrying .357 Mag
3rd issued SIG P226 9mm for about a year
4th and current issue SIG P229 carrying .357 SIG
I liked them all. I own personal versions of each except for the P226 in 9mm.
I like the issued ammunition better than the guns [Coffee]
Be safe.
Too funny... I was issued a Sig P228 (M11), before that a Beretta 92FS (M9). Couldn't stand the M9. Didn't like the M11 either, but I had no other options so I practiced with it regularly. I was shooting Glocks competitively at the same time and preferred them.
The OP question at it's roots doesn't really matter. Whatever pistol, it's practicing with it that matters more.
Let me guess.... you were .mil? I didn't like the M9 either.
And I already practice the hell out of my Glock now... so maybe that will be the best, but I'd kind of rather have a 9mm since it's about $30 cheaper for bulk at Bass Pro (250rnds for IIRC $60something). [Beer]
Since finances (or lack thereof) is one of your frequent complaints here, shouldn't you be more concerned with getting on with Jeffco before buying and trying to become an "expert" with whatever duty weapon you might be carrying?
On another note...fundamentals are fundamentals. Either you have them or you dont; you can shoot or you can't. Glock vs Sig doesn't matter much there other than difference in grip angle. Everything thing else is all personal preference and some presentation practice. I would worry about other skills you will need immediately before what pistol, you will be carrying.
Finances are a problem of the past- I'm good now since moving out of my outrageously expensive apartment. And I'd want to be the best shot I can be with a pistol before getting on a department (something I wish I had done with AR platforms before going into the Army) so I can better my chances of graduating as high as possible in my class.
OneGuy67
10-31-2012, 12:37
And I'd want to be the best shot I can be with a pistol before getting on a department (something I wish I had done with AR platforms before going into the Army) so I can better my chances of graduating as high as possible in my class.
Then you better hit the books rather than the range. You are sounding pretty ignorant of the realities of the job, the academy, and the expectations of law enforcement.
You want to graduate at the top of the academy class? Read up on Constitutional Law, read and memorize as much as you can of Title 18 and Title 42 in the C.R.S., the Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and officer field manual within the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook. The range consists of a couple of days of a 12-15 week academy.
SA Friday
10-31-2012, 12:46
You want to graduate at the top of the academy class? Read up on Constitutional Law, read and memorize as much as you can of Title 18 and Title 42 in the C.R.S., the Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and officer field manual within the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook. The range consists of a couple of days of a 12-15 week academy.
I would add a couple of writing classes and typing well to this list. I lost more than one probationary agent to lack of writing skills.
kidicarus13
10-31-2012, 12:55
Then you better hit the books rather than the range. You are sounding pretty ignorant of the realities of the job, the academy, and the expectations of law enforcement.
You want to graduate at the top of the academy class? Read up on Constitutional Law, read and memorize as much as you can of Title 18 and Title 42 in the C.R.S., the Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and officer field manual within the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook. The range consists of a couple of days of a 12-15 week academy.
I would add a couple of writing classes and typing well to this list. I lost more than one probationary agent to lack of writing skills.
Good advice often falls on deaf ears and I suspect that will be the case here also. Some of the best shooters to come out of police academies are the ones that entered without any training.
Eggysrun
10-31-2012, 13:08
Good advice often falls on deaf ears and I suspect that will be the case here also. Some of the best shooters to come out of police academies are the ones that entered without any training.
I noticed the same with the army, a lot of "hunters" thinking they were top shit but would bring bad habits to the range whereas pvt.joeschmo who's never fired a gun in his life learns the fundamentals and shoots better overall.
Good advice often falls on deaf ears and I suspect that will be the case here also. Some of the best shooters to come out of police academies are the ones that entered without any training.
Isn't there a psych eval first? [Coffee]
Good advice often falls on deaf ears and I suspect that will be the case here also. Some of the best shooters to come out of police academies are the ones that entered without any training.
Actually that's not the first time I heard that advice, and I intend to utilize that advice- so you can sit down now [Coffee]- I'm already quite a good writer from what people have already told me, and one of my deputy buddies said that is one of the biggest parts of the job and a good way to stay on supervisor and other superior's good list is being able to write a clear, coherent, and concise report every time, and everything they do has to be written in a report.
Thanks OneGuy- I'll be sure to study up a lot on the Revised Statutes for sure, and do you know of a good resource(s) to pick up Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook?
kidicarus13
10-31-2012, 16:48
Actually that's not the first time I heard that advice, and I intend to utilize that advice- so you can sit down now [Coffee]- I'm already quite a good writer from what people have already told me, and one of my deputy buddies said that is one of the biggest parts of the job and a good way to stay on supervisor and other superior's good list is being able to write a clear, coherent, and concise report every time, and everything they do has to be written in a report.
Did your deputy buddy say anything to you about run-on sentences?
OneGuy67
10-31-2012, 17:05
Actually that's not the first time I heard that advice, and I intend to utilize that advice- so you can sit down now [Coffee]- I'm already quite a good writer from what people have already told me, and one of my deputy buddies said that is one of the biggest parts of the job and a good way to stay on supervisor and other superior's good list is being able to write a clear, coherent, and concise report every time, and everything they do has to be written in a report.
Thanks OneGuy- I'll be sure to study up a lot on the Revised Statutes for sure, and do you know of a good resource(s) to pick up Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook?
http://www.lexisnexis.com/store/catalog/booktemplate/productdetail.jsp?pageName=relatedProducts&prodId=49796
Did your deputy buddy say anything to you about run-on sentences?
[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-31-2012, 18:36
Did your deputy buddy say anything to you about run-on sentences?
Bafuckingzinga! [ROFL1]
bigun1962
10-31-2012, 19:02
What ever you can shoot that your department allows. Personally I carry my Springfield 45 long enough to get to my shot gun. May have to transition to an urban rifle. Not looking forward to that day. A shotgun gets respect in the most stressfull situation no matter what the crook is on.
Tinelement
10-31-2012, 19:47
As a deputy sheepdog...... [ROFL1]
I prefer a Wilson or nighthawk.
When I can't carry I like a breakdown 28" blow gun with darts dipped in my wife's firearm hatred. [Muaha]
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2012, 21:20
Actually that's not the first time I heard that advice, and I intend to utilize that advice- so you can sit down now [Coffee]- I'm already quite a good writer from what people have already told me, and one of my deputy buddies said that is one of the biggest parts of the job and a good way to stay on supervisor and other superior's good list is being able to write a clear, coherent, and concise report every time, and everything they do has to be written in a report.
Thanks OneGuy- I'll be sure to study up a lot on the Revised Statutes for sure, and do you know of a good resource(s) to pick up Criminal Procedure Code, Criminal Rules/Constitutions, Criminal Procedure Guidelines and the Colorado Peace Officers Handbook?
Your best way to practice anything would be to get the mods to DELETE any post where you ever lost it , went off on your coworker (GFL mods) or agreed that taking a 65yd shot at a shooter was the right thing to do.
BG checks for LEs are not a 10min BG check for a hand gun, they dig deep. The psych eval is gonna kill you out of the gate, once they pull anything you posted off the web. IF you get that far.
One other thing (YEAH I KNOW SURPRISE) Your nose needs to be (as mentioned) deep in books, not bitchin about your Law instructor or how the parking at the academy sucks.
Other than that GL and shit can the glock.[Beer]
Your best way to practice anything would be to get the mods to DELETE any post where you ever lost it , went off on your coworker (GFL mods) or agreed that taking a 65yd shot at a shooter was the right thing to do.
BG checks for LEs are not a 10min BG check for a hand gun, they dig deep. The psych eval is gonna kill you out of the gate, once they pull anything you posted off the web. IF you get that far.
One other thing (YEAH I KNOW SURPRISE) Your nose needs to be (as mentioned) deep in books, not bitchin about your Law instructor or how the parking at the academy sucks.
Other than that GL and shit can the glock.[Beer]
Jim you're being a bully again.. but you said what I was thinking.. I just didn't want to hurt his feelings again.
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-31-2012, 22:39
Jim you're being a bully again.. but you said what I was thinking.. I just didn't want to hurt his feelings again.
[ROFL1] since when is this a concern of yours? [ROFL2]
[ROFL1] since when is this a concern of yours? [ROFL2]
I don't want to be the reason he goes on a shooting spree.. all this bully crap in the news recently... I can see the headlines now..
CYBER BULLIES ON GUN FORUM CAUSE RAMPAGE! [LOL]
He's already building his insanity defense, w/ all the talk about PTSD.. [Stooge]
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2012, 22:59
Jim you're being a bully again.. but you said what I was thinking.. I just didn't want to hurt his feelings again.
Ronin13 (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/member.php?u=5695) http://www.ar-15.co/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif
Jim's Whipping Boy
Hall Pass!
It's not about feelings, just facts. Look if someone thinks they are being bullied on of all things AN ADULT ORIENTATED GUN FORUM, gtfo!!!
We're adults (or pretend to be) those who have met me, know i am not rainbows and quadracorns. You ask for an opinion, you get one. On or off base, you get one anyway. We are a community here and try to assist those who ask for help. Until, as an adult they do, they get "ADVICE" .
I know the time may come where i might ask for help. If and when that time comes, i'm listening and heeding all that is forth coming, sugar coated or hard slap of reality. Do not want advice Don't Ask
Delfuego
10-31-2012, 23:10
You ask for an opinion, you get one.Wait a back east kinda guy with an opinion... no way!
Staying on topic:
Please dont become a cop Ronin! [Help]
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2012, 23:17
Wait a back east kinda guy with an opinion... no way!
Staying on topic:
Please dont become a cop Ronin! [Help]
Shocking ain't it, just shocking. You got a problem wit dat? ;)
Shocking ain't it, just shocking. You got a problem wit dat? ;)
Fuckin Yanks.. [LOL]
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2012, 23:28
Fuckin Yanks.. [LOL]
Not me i am a SEEMY -Native
WAY OT: After moving here many a year back. This old boy says. You have some sort of accent, where you from?
NY why?
Just wondering, At least you ain't from TEXAS[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
Remember the TX vs CO Tomato fights up in the hills way back?
Now back to our weekly, giving Ronin a dose of reality, already in progress.
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-31-2012, 23:31
Remember when you told me you're from Alaska? Haha crazy Jim.
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2012, 23:40
Remember when you told me you're from Alaska? Haha crazy Jim.
Mister sir, Mister to you.
I can see this thread got better! [Beer]
I guess the addition of an asshole, a bully, and white trash makes any thread better though... [ROFL1]
Any bets on the number of rants after his 1st day with his FTO?
I say 9 (don't think he'll work a full shift). Easily 100+ in his first week...Jim will get carpal tunnel syndrome shortly afterwards from chewing him out and changing Ronin's picture to one of Barney Fife.
Great-Kazoo
11-01-2012, 08:37
Any bets on the number of rants after his 1st day with his FTO?
I say 9 (don't think he'll work a full shift). Easily 100+ in his first week...Jim will get carpal tunnel syndrome shortly afterwards from chewing him out and changing Ronin's picture to one of Barney Fife.
Don't forget a new pc after i slam this one against the wall.
FWIW: Our daughter did E5 in 5 as an Ordy, Working 6 years in maximmum Security (level 4?) prison and have heard less from her regarding the trials 7 tribulations of work over 11 years that i have seen from my man R13 in 2 months.
So what if one of the cons profiled on those prison shows gave her a hard time. She put them back in line and went on to the next (as she calls them) bitch in the line. That's it, stay focused and keep both eyes open.
Just as in your daily life, stay alert and STFU.
sneakerd
11-01-2012, 08:47
I can't picture Ronin being able to pull himself away from his keyboard (forum) long enough to pass any course. I have never- ever understood how he could accomplish anything at whatever work he does, based on the number of times he posts here during a workday.
I can see this thread got better! [Beer]
I guess the addition of an asshole, a bully, and white trash makes any thread better though... [ROFL1]
Jim was always in the thread.. I don't know why you're separating his characteristics now though.
Why hasn't the dear sweet boy come to defend himself.. I know he's not working today..he's already posted!
Garsh- you guys just know how to make a guy feel all warm and fuzzy inside... Delfuego- I'd still probably let you go with a warning if I ever caught you speeding, unless you were doing 90 in a 30... [Coffee]
"The best way to stick it to the naysayers is not to rebuke with your words, but prove them wrong with your actions." [Beer]
funkymonkey1111
11-01-2012, 16:49
Did your deputy buddy say anything to you about run-on sentences?
oh man, that was hilarious.
Ronin, would it be helpful to you to have members point out your writing errors to assist you in honing that skill?
Be smart, you are better off being a hose dragger.
Seems like ronin's post is still popular as usual.
sneakerd
11-01-2012, 22:53
I think he only posts when he is at "work". [Bang]
DenverLEO
11-02-2012, 05:11
I was going to post a reply to the original question, but it appears that this thread is no longer about duty guns...
[Sofa]
oh man, that was hilarious.
Ronin, would it be helpful to you to have members point out your writing errors to assist you in honing that skill?
Yes it would... [Beer]
I was going to post a reply to the original question, but it appears that this thread is no longer about duty guns...
[Sofa]
Don't let a little derail stop you... Seeing as you're new here- I get the butt of a lot of jokes, there are a lot of derails, but somehow (scientists are still trying to figure this out) we get back on topic a lot. [Tooth]
rustycrusty
11-08-2012, 04:02
....The original thread topic seems analogous to somone asking a lawyer what type of briefcase they use before taking the bar exam
Or maybe asking a surgeon what his favorite scalpel is and expecting the advice to aid in getting through med school...
R13- I think you should go bigger with your dream- become an astronaut.
-as for what to carry when you actually become a SSDG... The only weapon of choice is this.
Single handedly the GREATEST HANDGUN EVER FORGED BY ANY MAN
http://karllippard.com/military/
Single handedly the GREATEST HANDGUN EVER FORGED BY ANY MAN
http://karllippard.com/military/
I can't imagine how pleasant that would be to have on your hip all day, getting in and out of the car [ROFL1]
lead_magnet
11-08-2012, 07:33
I was thinking about it yesterday as I was talking with a deputy friend of mine, he carries a Glock 17 9mm, and I was curious as to what all our LEOs on here carry as their duty pistol... If your department issues or has an approved list, okay, cool, what do you carry? Do you like it? If your department let's you pick dependent on caliber and what not, what did you pick?
Just curious, as I'm hoping to get on JCSO whenever their next hiring goes on. I plan on either carrying a Glock 17 or 22, or a Sig P229 9mm... unless there is something out there one of you guys would recommend instead. [Beer]
This thread is epic...BTW.
But to answer the Q:
I Carry a Glock 22 w/ TLR-1s and a Glock 27 as a back up for obvious reasons. We're allowed to carry whatever we want as long as it is in .40 cal, which sucks because I prefer 9mm and was all set up with 9mm and had to switch but there really is no difference. Yes I like it, I like it alot, to quote the Dumb and Dumber guy.
BTW: I can't emphasize the need for the weapon mounted light enough, building searches suck without them, and with them for that matter. But they suck less with them.
KevDen2005
11-08-2012, 20:42
Didn't you run a thread like this last year?
My agency issues Glock 23's in .40 SW. I hate Glocks and was given permission to carry my Sig P229 in .40 SW. I've carried this particular firearm with two different agencies and for nearly 15 years.
You have to be different don't you?! Let me see your First Sergeant! [ROFL1]
We carry Glock Model 22 in .40. I carry a Glock 27 as a back up. Duty gun is issued and no exceptions. Can carry pretty much anything you like off duty but you have to qualify with it. I also happen to like Glock. But I frequently qualify I my full frame Colt 1911 because I love to carry it off duty.
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