Romney...

[Ashton]

I know I'm going to get a shit ton of blowback for posting this... But did any of you REALLY think he was going to win? He's got blacks, gays, mexicans, and everyone who thinks Romney is a crook (which he is). Personally I didn't like either candidate but I have enough sense to know romney is a crook and a half.

I voted Gary Johnson knowing he wouldn't win but couldn't vote for either of the two evils... One who doesn't deliver and one who is a crook and has no plan of delivering.

Gary Johnson 2016.

[Ashton]

Also for the record. I'm not happy about all the gun regulations Obama is about to impose.

[Pancho Villa]

Obama isn't imposing gun regs. He doesn't have the congressional support needed and he's got bigger fish to fry (taxes, deficit, etc.)

And yeah, the GOP has been busy offending as many people as they could. It's been really sad. I don't think Obama went below 65% on intrade the past month, even with the awful performances in the debates.

I never really expected Romney to win. He is Obama, minus a few % points on the growth of government (which is what Republicans call "cuts") and plus a bunch of really obnoxious socialcon shit.

[dwalker460]

Are you fucking serious? Romney is not a crook, he is a business man and a standup member of his Church.

He DID NOT draw a salary as Governor, nor as head of the Olympic committee because he had the fucking nuts to do the RIGHT thing and say hey guys, I dont need the money, I have plenty, so dont take taxpayer money to pay me for doing my civic duty. Find a politician who would do that.

Romney could not be bought, unlike Obaloney and Johnson, who IS a fucking crook, How much do you actually know about Governor Veto other than that he "is different than the rest?" Sheep

Romney was the only candidate on either side that stood a snowballs chance in hell of doing what the country fiscally needed, and its dumbasses out there who have no clue about issues, or history, or anything else besides campaign slogans that puked this election up. Seriously the only fault I can find with Romeny is he didnt hit Obaloney where it would hurt the most, and he ran too clean. He should have used all the dirt he had on that sonofabitch and then some. But he didnt because he is a man and has morals and principles, which obviously counts for little in this country now.

I did not agree with everything Romeny said but I rarely agree with anything anyone says, but the fact the man could do the job and do it right and be good for the Country is what mattered, not that I think his stance on guns was weak, or whatever.

Seriously kids, its time to wake up and become educated beyond the smoke and mirrors.

Gary Johnson my ass. He is not even a pimple on the ass of Romney, and he COULD NOT do the job. Period.

[JohnnyEgo]

We put up a shitty candidate.
A bunch of Republican candidates put their foot in their mouth over social issues. (Really? Not one, but two rape comments in an election cycle?)

Despite all this, things fundamentally remain unchanged. Republicans keep control of the house. Democrats keep control of the Senate. At least two more years of gridlock in the future, at which time all hell breaks loose as we see campaigning for the 2016 election. And of course, you have the 'fiscal cliff' looming over a struggling economy.

[Irving]

and he ran too clean. He should have used all the dirt he had on that sonofabitch and then some. But he didnt because he is a man and has morals and principles, which obviously counts for little in this country now.



Haha. Seriously.


When you run off to China, can you get us some good deals on all the Jeeps that will be built over there?

[10mm-man]

Obama isn't imposing gun regs. he's got bigger fish to fry (taxes, deficit, etc.)

[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

Fucker added more to the deficit than all pres combined! Wake the f' up.... Taxes, are only going to get bigger..... Dream Dream Dream away!

[dwalker460]

Haha. Seriously.


When you run off to China, can you get us some good deals on all the Jeeps that will be built over there?

Nah, All we drive over there is VW and Audi, no one wants a Jeep. But thank the President for having the Jeeps built over there...

[Irving]

You're kidding right?

[dwalker460]

Obama isn't imposing gun regs. He doesn't have the congressional support needed and he's got bigger fish to fry (taxes, deficit, etc.)

This is why weed should not be legal...

He does not need Congressional support to do what he wants, just like he ramrodded Obamacare through, he will ramrod gun control through, and it wont be an AWB...

So stop smoking, sober up, and start making good decisions.

[dwalker460]

You're kidding right?

You for some reason think that Chrylser is an American company? Its owned in a large part by Fiat, mostly because of the bailout and the failed Diamler/Chrysler partnership, and Fiat is giving serious thought to moving operations out of the US for several brands. It makes sense as every major brand has an assembly plant in China as it is the worlds largest automotive market and its growing. BMW, Mercedes Benz, Honda, Toyota, etc. all have plants in China, just like BMW has a plant here in South Carolina.
But hey, if you want to know the truth, just go read the Bloomberg news article about it.

[NightCat]

...In before the lock.

For I have nothing to contribute besides my personal opinion, which I know if I start typing..It'll turn into a rant/rave/tangent.

And the horse is already dead...why keep beating it..

[Irving]

You for some reason think that Chrylser is an American company? Its owned in a large part by Fiat, mostly because of the bailout and the failed Diamler/Chrysler partnership, and Fiat is giving serious thought to moving operations out of the US for several brands. It makes sense as every major brand has an assembly plant in China as it is the worlds largest automotive market and its growing. BMW, Mercedes Benz, Honda, Toyota, etc. all have plants in China, just like BMW has a plant here in South Carolina.
But hey, if you want to know the truth, just go read the Bloomberg news article about it.

I'm torn. Should I listen to the CEO of Chrysler, or should I listen to the ads that Romney moved from television to radio AFTER the CEO of Chrysler came out and said that Romney's statement wasn't true? I'm still waiting for the Romney campaign to retract those ads.

[battle_sight_zero]

[QUOTE=Pancho Villa;718069]Obama isn't imposing gun regs. He doesn't have the congressional support needed and he's got bigger fish to fry (taxes, deficit, etc.)

And yeah, the GOP has been busy offending as many people as they could. It's been really sad. I don't think Obama went below 65% on intrade the past month, even with the awful performances in the debates.

I never really expected Romney to win. He is Obama, minus a few % points on the growth of government (which is what Republicans call "cuts") and plus a bunch of really obnoxious socialcon shit.[/QUOTE


I appreciate your comments, however I feel that the Obama and his party have offended me and my values for the last 4 years. I suspect that the assault will only get worse. I don't support Obama care which I feel is an assault on my values. I don't support the killing of innocent unborn babies which was made into a big issue and i found offensive. I find it offensive that have lost allot of money these last 4 years in my retirement accounts. I find it offensive that my salary has not gone up in the last 4 years. I find it offensive that that my I an my kids will be paying for this nations debts while a good chunk of the population who voted for Obama sit on their butts every day on the governments handout. I find it offensive that I and people like me the ones working and paying taxes are critiziced for being who we are. I find it offensive that the other side criticises business owners for building a business. I find it offensive that we have a corrupt media covering for the other side. I find offensive as a vet to see service men and woman being told that they need to lose health care and other benifits. I find it offensive that the other side wants to decimate the tradion of the military. Tell me Pancho why the bleep should I and other conservatives compromise when the other party does not? My values I feel are shared by a good chunk of the population who does not sit around or squander their potential. I have served my country and i serve my community everyday and I Damm well entilted to be offended by the other side. Personally I feel that we can still get some satisfaction the next couple of years by hold politicians accountable. I am going to use what influence I have to do something. We all have influence, let's use it.

[splogan]

[QUOTE=Pancho Villa;718069]Obama isn't imposing gun regs. He doesn't have the congressional support needed and he's got bigger fish to fry (taxes, deficit, etc.)

And yeah, the GOP has been busy offending as many people as they could. It's been really sad. I don't think Obama went below 65% on intrade the past month, even with the awful performances in the debates.

I never really expected Romney to win. He is Obama, minus a few % points on the growth of government (which is what Republicans call "cuts") and plus a bunch of really obnoxious socialcon shit.[/QUOTE


I appreciate your comments, however I feel that the Obama and his party have offended me and my values for the last 4 years. I suspect that the assault will only get worse. I don't support Obama care which I feel is an assault on my values. I don't support the killing of innocent unborn babies which was made into a big issue and i found offensive. I find it offensive that have lost allot of money these last 4 years in my retirement accounts. I find it offensive that my salary has not gone up in the last 4 years. I find it offensive that that my I an my kids will be paying for this nations debts while a good chunk of the population who voted for Obama sit on their butts every day on the governments handout. I find it offensive that I and people like me the ones working and paying taxes are critiziced for being who we are. I find it offensive that the other side criticises business owners for building a business. I find it offensive that we have a corrupt media covering for the other side. I find offensive as a vet to see service men and woman being told that they need to lose health care and other benifits. I find it offensive that the other side wants to decimate the tradion of the military. Tell me Pancho why the bleep should I and other conservatives compromise when the other party does not? My values I feel are shared by a good chunk of the population who does not sit around or squander their potential. I have served my country and i serve my community everyday and I Damm well entilted to be offended by the other side. Personally I feel that we can still get some satisfaction the next couple of years by hold politicians accountable. I am going to use what influence I have to do something. We all have influence, let's use it.

Didn't you know, those of us like vets who EARN benefits should give them the the lazy errr under privileged.. Crock of shit, jump the border get free medical. Get shot in combat and you should sacrifice and help pay for it to not burden the system.

[Delfuego]

he is a business man and a standup member of his Church.
Its a temple bro, and its not the same thing.

[patrick0685]

we are in rough shape either way

[Mazin]

More so now that the chains are off and O doesn't have to worry about the reelection bid. Make no mistake about it, it's going to get nasty fellas.

[streetglideok]

More so now that the chains are off and O doesn't have to worry about the reelection bid. Make no mistake about it, it's going to get nasty fellas.

This is the best thing said. He's done what he has wanted for four years, and this validates that he can get by with it. To make things worse, without Congress pulling him under control, future presidents will be even more comfortable ignoring the constitution. About the only way things would come to a screeching halt for Obama, is if the electorate decides at large to ignore the popular vote, and go with Romney next month. Now that would be funny.

[Danimal]

Here is the deal. You had a choice between getting shit in or eating a shit sandwich. By voting Gary Johnson you punched yourself in the dick, f*@ked the shit sandwich and now you will get shit on for four years anyway. Way to think that one through.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Back up your allegations that Romney is a crook. Yes, I expected Romney had a chance to win but I didn't expect the American public had fallen so far as to


reelect someone whose record demonstrates his own party should have thrown him out in the primary cycle despite the demonstrably negative effects on every American's pocket book
elect a proven fraud shown to have illicitly claimed racial preferences and practicing law without a license just because she's in the right party
enable widespread fraud with same-day registration, importation of voters across borders and rejection of simple photo ID measures
not just fall but fall HARD for racist and sexist propaganda

Obama WILL impose gun control through a stealth UN treaty and executive orders. He didn't care about congressional support before this election, why would he care now? Yesterday was more proof that America has fallen to the forces of decay and petty personal comforts and conveniences. Social liberal trends outvoiced fiscal conservatism. Government handouts and collective feelings of entitlement have sunk the pursuit of a more perfect union in favor of more convenient unions.

The one good thing from yesterday's elections is that it wasn't a case of Johnson giving Obama the election the way Perot gave Clinton 1992 and 1996.

[Bailey Guns]

The "noble experiment" has come to an end. It didn't work because the people, in general terms, we're too lazy to make it work.

I've never felt such utter despair. I'm not even angry. I'm just devastated. I can't believe the country I grew up to love so much, has come down to this.

"Obamaphones" have won out over liberty. I really don't see a way off the path that we're now on.

[cstone]

The "noble experiment" has come to an end. It didn't work because the people, in general terms, we're too lazy to make it work.

I've never felt such utter despair. I'm not even angry. I'm just devastated. I can't believe the country I grew up to love so much, has come down to this.

"Obamaphones" have won out over liberty. I really don't see a way off the path that we're now on.

Sometimes, because I'm not sure whether I am on the front end or tail end of whatever history we have in the US, I don't know whether I am fighting a forward looking campaign to build a better America for my children, or fighting a rearguard action so the mess I turn over to my children isn't greater than they can handle.

Either way, it ain't over till they put dirt on top my box. [Flower]

Pick a side and stand up. That is the American Way.

Be safe.

[StagLefty]

Unfortunately the decision has been made and it's over. We still need to stand by our convictions and take the high road while we hold the politicians accountable.

[Pancho Villa]

[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

Fucker added more to the deficit than all pres combined! Wake the f' up.... Taxes, are only going to get bigger..... Dream Dream Dream away!

Oh, sorry! I wasn't clear.

He has bigger fish to fry increasing taxes and growing the deficit. I don't think he's going to improve anything.

[wrestler034]

Until the republican party can bring a fiscal conservative that can leave their Socio-Religious bile at the door they have no chance to win. And for what its worth I am a Republican.

[Pancho Villa]

I appreciate your comments, however I feel that the Obama and his party have offended me and my values for the last 4 years. I suspect that the assault will only get worse. I don't support Obama care which I feel is an assault on my values. I don't support the killing of innocent unborn babies which was made into a big issue and i found offensive. I find it offensive that have lost allot of money these last 4 years in my retirement accounts. I find it offensive that my salary has not gone up in the last 4 years. I find it offensive that that my I an my kids will be paying for this nations debts while a good chunk of the population who voted for Obama sit on their butts every day on the governments handout. I find it offensive that I and people like me the ones working and paying taxes are critiziced for being who we are. I find it offensive that the other side criticises business owners for building a business. I find it offensive that we have a corrupt media covering for the other side. I find offensive as a vet to see service men and woman being told that they need to lose health care and other benifits. I find it offensive that the other side wants to decimate the tradion of the military. Tell me Pancho why the bleep should I and other conservatives compromise when the other party does not? My values I feel are shared by a good chunk of the population who does not sit around or squander their potential. I have served my country and i serve my community everyday and I Damm well entilted to be offended by the other side. Personally I feel that we can still get some satisfaction the next couple of years by hold politicians accountable. I am going to use what influence I have to do something. We all have influence, let's use it.


I don't want you guys to compromise on taxes, the deficit, etc. Which you already do in spades. Romney's plan was to grow the budget a little less fast than Obama, and given some of the things he advocated (700 billion medicare increase, for example,) I highly suspect that was just a lie tossed out to fiscal cons to keep them from just saying fuck it and staying home again.

When your God puts a soul into a body is, well, a theological issue and one that is highly disinteresting to me. It goes from disinteresting theological passtime to a black mark when you start trying to impose whatever theological hash you guys end up deciding on, on people who disagree with it or who don't believe in your God, which is an increasing number of people in this country.

Like I said in another thread, I'm all on board with balancing the budget, cutting taxes, drastically simplifying the tax code, removing regulations, repealing Obamacare in it's entirety, instating free-market reforms of our drastically overegulated medical industry, etc. Romney wanted to do none of that except maybe cut a few regulations. He couldn't even propose going back to spending levels under Bush - which were already way too much - but settled on "Under my plan, the growth of government will slow down a little and if we're lucky and the economy grows at a ridiculous pace, the budget will balance itself in 20 years!"

We were still going head-first over a cliff with Romney. At least now when Obama's disastrous policies result in an American lost decade the Ds will get credit for it, and maybe the GOP can put forth someone who's fiscally serious instead of a joke, and I can actually hold my nose and vote for him.

Seriously, guys. Look at the numbers. Until you get a candidate who can run on balancing the budget, drastically cutting SS, medicare, medicaid and (yes, sorry guys, I'm not a fan of this either) the military, we're going to be chugging headlong towards that fiscal cliff. Together, welfare spending and the military constitute almost 90% of the federal budget in a given year. There's nothing else to cut from that makes a difference, and don't make mistakes, bullshit accounting tricks like decreasing the rate of growth won't cut it.

The good news is, gravity has a way of asserting itself, and we'll have a balanced budget one way or another. The bad news is, it will probably be balanced (at first) by either inflation or draconian taxation (whether it's a D or R in office, neither side is interested in serious cuts.)

Quit acting like this was the final chance to get things right. Romney wasn't getting anything right.

[DD977GM2]

Well Ashton, your part of the reason he DIDNT get voted in.

Thanks a ton for this BS that we are about to have come down on us. [Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1]

[Pancho Villa]

Well Ashton, your part of the reason he DIDNT get voted in.

Thanks a ton for this BS that we are about to have come down on us. [Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1]

If 100% of GJ voters voted for Romney (a really unlikely event given that GJ also took votes from Obama and in the last couple weeks leading up campaigned heavily on issues that dems are excited about - I think his ideal plan was for Romney to win and for him to still get that 5%) Romney still would have lost in a landslide.

Get over your bitterness and put a non-stupid candidate up next time.

[anaphylaxis]

Until the republican party can bring a fiscal conservative that can leave their Socio-Religious bile at the door they have no chance to win. And for what its worth I am a Republican.

+1

I was surprised at how heavy of a role the social conservative element played at caucus. I mean, really? We have record unemployment and the biggest concern is so-called "moral issues?"

[Pancho Villa]

+1

I was surprised at how heavy of a role the social conservative element played at caucus. I mean, really? We have record unemployment and the biggest concern is so-called "moral issues?"

Fiscal cons should take a page from the social cons, actually. And the gun lobby.

How you gain power in a political party is to show willingness to stay home if your guy isn't good enough. The social cons did it in the 80s and now despite being a minority wing of the party they are absolutely pandered to every election for fear of them staying home. Gun folks did it after '94 and now guns ae almost as much a 3rd rail in politics as SS.

The GOP knows that fiscal cons are like a beaten wife and will always come back no matter how little they actually do on that front, so why pander to them? It's like black voters in the democratic party. They're already voting for you, so why do anything for them?

[wrestler034]

The real key is when this mentality stops:

Well Ashton, your part of the reason he DIDNT get voted in.

Thanks a ton for this BS that we are about to have come down on us. [Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1]

and people start voting based upon what the individual candidates are saying/stand for, not the little letter at the end of their name. Until then, the R's have no reason to listen to what the people want. Staying home is not the answer. Voting for the candidate YOU feel is best is. Voting for a letter will not solve our problems.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Fiscal cons should take a page from the social cons, actually. And the gun lobby.

How you gain power in a political party is to show willingness to stay home if your guy isn't good enough. The social cons did it in the 80s and now despite being a minority wing of the party they are absolutely pandered to every election for fear of them staying home. Gun folks did it after '94 and now guns ae almost as much a 3rd rail in politics as SS.

Mmmm ... no. Social cons gained power because they GOT people to the polls. Gun lobby gained power after the NRA got pro-gun people to the polls and influenced the 1994 Congressional campaign. The Tea Party gained influence (however briefly) because it got people to the polls two years ago.

Staying home just cuts your nose off to spite your face. Mourdock was defeated in Indiana by Lugar supporters crossing over just to spite him -- in essence, by NOT caring about the little letter after his name.

[ronaldrwl]

Are you fucking serious? Romney is not a crook, he is a business man and a standup member of his Church.

He DID NOT draw a salary as Governor, nor as head of the Olympic committee because he had the fucking nuts to do the RIGHT thing and say hey guys, I dont need the money, I have plenty, so dont take taxpayer money to pay me for doing my civic duty. Find a politician who would do that.

Romney could not be bought, unlike Obaloney and Johnson, who IS a fucking crook, How much do you actually know about Governor Veto other than that he "is different than the rest?" Sheep

Romney was the only candidate on either side that stood a snowballs chance in hell of doing what the country fiscally needed, and its dumbasses out there who have no clue about issues, or history, or anything else besides campaign slogans that puked this election up. Seriously the only fault I can find with Romeny is he didnt hit Obaloney where it would hurt the most, and he ran too clean. He should have used all the dirt he had on that sonofabitch and then some. But he didnt because he is a man and has morals and principles, which obviously counts for little in this country now.

I did not agree with everything Romeny said but I rarely agree with anything anyone says, but the fact the man could do the job and do it right and be good for the Country is what mattered, not that I think his stance on guns was weak, or whatever.

Seriously kids, its time to wake up and become educated beyond the smoke and mirrors.

Gary Johnson my ass. He is not even a pimple on the ass of Romney, and he COULD NOT do the job. Period.

+1

[ronaldrwl]

More so now that the chains are off and O doesn't have to worry about the reelection bid. Make no mistake about it, it's going to get nasty fellas.

+1

[ronaldrwl]

The "noble experiment" has come to an end. It didn't work because the people, in general terms, we're too lazy to make it work.

I've never felt such utter despair. I'm not even angry. I'm just devastated. I can't believe the country I grew up to love so much, has come down to this.

"Obamaphones" have won out over liberty. I really don't see a way off the path that we're now on.

+1
Utter despair is right. I can't even form my own words today.

[Aloha_Shooter]

+1
Utter despair is right. I can't even form my own words today.

Don't despair. That way lies the path of further loss.


Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

[Pancho Villa]

Mmmm ... no. Social cons gained power because they GOT people to the polls. Gun lobby gained power after the NRA got pro-gun people to the polls and influenced the 1994 Congressional campaign. The Tea Party gained influence (however briefly) because it got people to the polls two years ago.

Staying home just cuts your nose off to spite your face. Mourdock was defeated in Indiana by Lugar supporters crossing over just to spite him -- in essence, by NOT caring about the little letter after his name.

It was a combo. Show up big in primaries, threaten to not show up in the general.

Gun folks also did this in the 90s, if you rememebr your history.

[U81I812]

Once you have more takers than producers it's over.

We'll never see another Republican President in our life time, we can never out vote the takers.

[ronaldrwl]

Once you have more takers than producers it's over.

We'll never see another Republican President in our life time, we can never out vote the takers.


Maybe, but for sure we'll never see another president with traditional values (conservative).

[Ronin13]

Once you have more takers than producers it's over.

We'll never see another Republican President in our life time, we can never out vote the takers.

When the producers stop giving to the takers they'll all starve... Unfortunately I don't see a way to stop giving to them... [Mad]

[HoneyBadger]

In case you guys aren't sick of me saying this yet:

When the average voter can vote themselves more free things at the expense of someone they'll never meet, why wouldn't they?

[Great-Kazoo]

In case you guys aren't sick of me saying this yet:

When the average voter can vote themselves more free things at the expense of someone they'll never meet, why wouldn't they?


This. 50% of America told the rest of the country they WANT, not Give, BUT WANT the Free Ride the Dems have promised.

[ronaldrwl]

In case you guys aren't sick of me saying this yet:

When the average voter can vote themselves more free things at the expense of someone they'll never meet, why wouldn't they?

Well Honey Badger still don't give a shit?

[SouthPaw]

He's got blacks, gays, mexicans, and everyone who thinks Romney is a crook (which he is).

So which one are you? I know of PLENTY of people that fall into your "he has their vote becuase they are black, gay, mexican, etc" who did NOT vote for him.

[hollohas]

+1

We have record unemployment and the biggest concern is so-called "moral issues?"

Social/Moral issues are basically what the Dems have been running on for years...works for them.

The Republicans tried to keep this one mostly to the economy. But the everyday person doesn't know shit about the economy. So they vote instead on who is going to give the birth control pills for free.

[JohnnyEgo]

So I have to ask:

If you believe that the freeloaders/47% are a.) too stupid to vote in the long-term best interests of the country over the short-term best interests of themselves, or b.) overwhelming the social welfare system with complacency and inflated expectations of the government dole...

Then why exactly are you against whomever is 'giving out birth control pills for free'?

In point of fact, why aren't you giving them out yourself?

...

The truth from the great unwashed middle of the American electorate, of which I fall in and which may well make me appear as a flaming liberal to some on this site, is that the Republican party failed to make the economic argument, and allowed the Democratic party to paint us as a bunch of change-resistant whiteys who wanted to take away freedoms from many of the minority subgroups that together form the bulk of the US electorate. This isn't about some universal truth or reality, it is about perception. And the best the Republican Party could come up to address this perception was a rich white guy who practiced a very different type of government than the one he preached in an attempt to get elected.

On the plus side, I now have four years of hope that if things get bad enough, I might see Jeb Bush stand a chance for the Presidency.

[Pancho Villa]

Remember a particularly snarky guy saying that Republicans should be for not just free birth control but free on-demand abortions as a long-term strategy.

Do not endorse that idea, of course, but it made me laugh.

[hollohas]

I have an awfully hard time believing that those that voted for Obama did so because they think he was the better choice for the economy. Unemployment is up, the deficit is up, the debt is up, inflation is up, etc, etc. If they voted for BO because they think those are good results then they aren't very bright. They voted for him for other reasons.

I don't know about you, but for the last month I have come home everyday to 6-12 mailers in my mailbox saying Romney wants to
make birth control illegal, or Romeny wants women to die due to pregnancy complications instead of getting an abortion or Romney bought/sold a company and is therefor at fault for a woman dying of cancer. I didn't get a SINGLE mailer saying Romney sucked at economics.

So if the Dems and their supporters spent their money sending mailers about abortion and birth control, do you really think they wanted this election to be about the economy? Nope. They wanted to make it about all these other "issues" to give the perception that the other guy hates women, or minorities, or the poor.

You are exactly right, it is all about perception.

The incumbent has done a shitty job with the economy...so instead of giving a guy with a better economic resume a shot at the job, let's just keep the same guy with nothing but a record of making it worse. Yeah, that makes sense.

So either a) the majority think higher inflation, debt, etc are indicators the incumbent is doing a great job with the economy or b) the other "issues" hold a higher priority in their minds.

[Ronin13]

I have an awfully hard time believing that those that voted for Obama did so because they think he was the better choice for the economy. Unemployment is up, the deficit is up, the debt is up, inflation is up, etc, etc. If they voted for BO because they think those are good results then they aren't very bright. They voted for him for other reasons.

I don't know about you, but for the last month I have come home everyday to 6-12 mailers in my mailbox saying Romney wants to
make birth control illegal, or Romeny wants women to die due to pregnancy complications instead of getting an abortion or Romney bought/sold a company and is therefor at fault for a woman dying of cancer. I didn't get a SINGLE mailer saying Romney sucked at economics.

So if the Dems and their supporters spent their money sending mailers about abortion and birth control, do you really think they wanted this election to be about the economy? Nope. They wanted to make it about all these other "issues" to give the perception that the other guy hates women, or minorities, or the poor.

You are exactly right, it is all about perception.

The incumbent has done a shitty job with the economy...so instead of giving a guy with a better economic resume a shot at the job, let's just keep the same guy with nothing but a record of making it worse. Yeah, that makes sense.

So either a) the majority think higher inflation, debt, etc are indicators the incumbent is doing a great job with the economy or b) the other "issues" hold a higher priority in their minds.

I'm going with B. I woke up this morning to several of my more liberal minded friends on FB ranting and raving about how their vaginas are free from the tyranny of that Mormon, and that women's rights are secure! Hey look at this wonderful economic collapse all around us, good luck feeding yourself, but fuck it, go get pregnant and don't worry because you can still get an abortion! [Bang] People are so fucking stupid.

[HoneyBadger]

Hey look at this wonderful economic collapse all around us, good luck feeding yourself, but fuck it, go get pregnant and don't worry because you can still get an abortion! [Bang] People are so fucking stupid.

[ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe, but for sure we'll never see another president with traditional values (conservative).

This is an absolute fact, in my opinion. A lot of you guys think Romney wasn't conservative enough. You've just witnessed the movement of the republican party even further to the left. And if you thought 3rd party candidates were irrelevant before, you ain't seen nothing yet.

3rd party candidates will just become a novelty now. Conservative Americans are a minority. There aren't enough to overcome the liberals (more specifically, those that will vote for dems/libs) and their numbers are just going to grow.

[Ridge]

Are you fucking serious? Romney is not a crook, he is a business man and a standup member of his Church.

Being a crook and being a member of a church aren't really exclusive, you know...


3rd party candidates will just become a novelty now.

Gary Johnson took 1% of the vote. With no media exposure, being barred from the debates, nothing. And, like you said, the GOP is moving. I don't think it's left, though. They are getting too far fringe. Maybe people want fiscal conservative beliefs, but they don't feel that religious morals from a religion they aren't a part of should dictate how they live their lives? Eventually the GOP is going to go too far, and there will be a sizable enough gap in representation for a third party candidate to rise as a viable alternative.

[T-Giv]

In case you guys aren't sick of me saying this yet:

When the average voter can vote themselves more free things at the expense of someone they'll never meet, why wouldn't they?

THIS. We can close the thread now just based on this. Discussion overrr.

[Rooskibar03]

Are you fucking serious? Romney is not a crook, he is a business man and a standup member of his Church.

He DID NOT draw a salary as Governor, nor as head of the Olympic committee because he had the fucking nuts to do the RIGHT thing and say hey guys, I dont need the money, I have plenty, so dont take taxpayer money to pay me for doing my civic duty. Find a politician who would do that.

Romney could not be bought, unlike Obaloney and Johnson, who IS a fucking crook, How much do you actually know about Governor Veto other than that he "is different than the rest?" Sheep

Romney was the only candidate on either side that stood a snowballs chance in hell of doing what the country fiscally needed, and its dumbasses out there who have no clue about issues, or history, or anything else besides campaign slogans that puked this election up. Seriously the only fault I can find with Romeny is he didnt hit Obaloney where it would hurt the most, and he ran too clean. He should have used all the dirt he had on that sonofabitch and then some. But he didnt because he is a man and has morals and principles, which obviously counts for little in this country now.

I did not agree with everything Romeny said but I rarely agree with anything anyone says, but the fact the man could do the job and do it right and be good for the Country is what mattered, not that I think his stance on guns was weak, or whatever.

Seriously kids, its time to wake up and become educated beyond the smoke and mirrors.

Gary Johnson my ass. He is not even a pimple on the ass of Romney, and he COULD NOT do the job. Period.

[spqrzilla]

And, like you said, the GOP is moving. I don't think it's left, though. They are getting too far fringe. Maybe people want fiscal conservative beliefs, but they don't feel that religious morals from a religion they aren't a part of should dictate how they live their lives? Eventually the GOP is going to go too far, and there will be a sizable enough gap in representation for a third party candidate to rise as a viable alternative.

The past two election cycles the GOP nominated McCain and Romney, neither of which were "fringe", neither of which were right wing at all.

So why do you write the comment above that makes it appear you have no clue what McCain or Romney were about as candidates?

By the way, Obama barely won in actuality. He lost 10 million of his '08 voters. If Romney had kept all the McCain 08 voters, he would have won.

[Ridge]

What does it say about the GOP's candidates that, despite Obama's shitty job the past 4 years, he still beat them?

[Aloha_Shooter]

What does it say about the GOP's candidates that, despite Obama's shitty job the past 4 years, he still beat them?

Obama has done nothing in his life BUT prey on and take advantage of people's emotions. He's good at it. I am no fan of McCain's but the man had an impossible job in 2008 -- there was no way any Republican was going to beat him. This past year, Obama had all the normal advantages of being an incumbent (there ARE advantages despite his horrible performance), media coverage that might as well been part of his paid PR team and luck in how two hurricanes came through: one that cut short and diverted attention from the GOP convention and one that gave him a chance to look presidential just before the actual election.

The GOP would have done well to have had ground game set up for the past 3 years like Obama did and hammered his unpresidential performance all year, crafting messages for his base, but I wouldn't say this loss says something about the GOP's candidates.

[Irving]

Maybe people want fiscal conservative beliefs, but they don't feel that religious morals from a religion they aren't a part of should dictate how they live their lives?

This is the real crux of the issue.

[HoneyBadger]

Maybe people want fiscal conservative beliefs, but they don't feel that religious morals from a religion they aren't a part of should dictate how they live their lives?


You must be aware that this is basically the libertarian party's platform, right? I don't understand why it doesn't have more traction.. Who doesn't want more liberty and a strong free market economy? Lots of people, apparantly...

[Ronin13]

You must be aware that this is basically the libertarian party's platform, right? I don't understand why it doesn't have more traction.. Who doesn't want more liberty and a strong free market economy? Lots of people, apparantly...

While that is what the libertarian party believes, I feel that they are a bit too extreme and are lacking with a solid, feasible, logical foreign policy. [Beer]

[HoneyBadger]

So, because they are "lacking" in one area, should most people simply write them off? Should the Republican Party push them away? [Bang]

[Ronin13]

So, because they are "lacking" in one area, should most people simply write them off? Should the Republican Party push them away? [Bang]

I don't write them off, in fact I see myself aligned more with them than I do with the GOP. I think the GOP could learn a lot from some kind of merge or something toward the L party... they'd sure win a lot more elections. Leave social issues to society, keep government issues on the forefront and that's how you'd ensure victory. The far right needs to abandon this idea that they can push their beliefs into everyone else's lives- you may not agree with gay marriage, abortion, whatever other social issue you want, but that's the beauty of a truly free nation. I'd really like to ask the religious right "What difference does it make in YOUR life if a woman who lives on the other side of the country has an abortion?"

[spqrzilla]

What does it say about the GOP's candidates that, despite Obama's shitty job the past 4 years, he still beat them?

It says that the GOP did a poor job of get out the vote operations.

[spqrzilla]

This was the first election in his entire life where Obama was running for reelection and he shed nearly a fifth of his votes.

[TEAMRICO]

America Voted for BHO, deal with it any way you can. If you voted for him or got a hard on when he got re-elected then deal with what comes with it!
Obama WOn is all I hear and "We won!" is another.....well what did you win?
They dont know what they won! An Obama Prize?
You can no longer blame Bush for SHIT! This is BHO's economy and every God Damn thing that happens from here on out is HIS and HIS ONLY!
If you loose your rights, your freedoms, your job, guns, or just struggle from here on out THATS YOUR PRIZE! You WON!! Yeaaaaah!
Sooner or later we will be the law breakers for just living our lives while more and more laws and regulations are passed to protect gays, minorities and all the others who voted for Obama, the "Victims" of all the Religious Bible CLingers and Gun Owners.
No bitching about anything from here on out. If your Gov. lies to you you will believe them or it says jump you will do so from now on.
You WON, claim your prize, shut to fuck up and go about your lives. If it applies to you, if not then disregard.

Winner Winner Gov. supplied FREE Michelle Obama approved dinner!