This is why Republicans are losing ground everywhere.

[SA Friday]

I predicted Obama would win and a few other things. I also suspected Coors would lose too but didn't share that part. From what I saw, the Republicans lost seats in the house and the senate, but still kept control of The House. I saw most of this coming, and I'm going to tell you why. You may or may not agree, but spending almost every day surrounded by young liberally minded predominantly female students, I saw a low of the following daily. The Republican party is completely out of touch with three key issues and it's tearing them a new ass.

1. Women's rights. IMO, the Republican party will continue to struggle getting votes until they let this one go. You CANNOT alienate half the population and expect to sway enough votes in large metropolitan areas to turn the blue tide. Roe v Wade is history, most in the USA want it to stand, stop addressing this issue. The majority of people in this country are not hard-core practicing christians. There is a difference between being a christian and being a practicing christian. The majority of women in this country will NOT vote for anyone who is going to spend any time money or lip service in abolishing abortion or plan parenthood. Seriously, if I read another stupid quote by a republican candidate addressing rape and abortion, I might vomit... This is a TERMINAL stance within the republican party. Regardless of ones individual belief about abortion, the majority of women voters find the party stance repulsive.

2. There is a HUGE, massive, gigantic young voters block in this country in the last two elections. I walked by it every day on campus. I saw Obama EVERYWHERE, jack shit Romney support. The commercials attacking Romney concerning college money went essentially unanswered in the main stream TV and young voting block campaign areas. There are little to no jobs for the 18-25 +/- year old to start right now. They are flocking to campuses and quite frankly, the Republican party MUST support education with tax dollars and voice this loudly. Once again, the Republicans ostracized a very large voting block residing in most metro areas. With the current economy, this voting block is larger than norman and they voted in huge numbers this year.

3. The Latino immigration vote. This one is tough, because there are a lot of secondary issues concerning the latino population right now, the most critical being the boarder. BUT, the Republican party didn't say a single word in advertisement concerning this issue. This translated to, 'vote for Romney and he's going to stick it in you' after he's elected to those directly impacted by immigration. This also adversely effected his vote count in large metro areas, especially in NM, CO, and FLORIDA!!!!!

Theological change within a political party is not a new issue. Our countries history is spattered with it. The Republican party better start evaluating what theologies they need to let go of, or the party may go the way of many other now non-existant parties. Either you represent the belief systems of the majority well enough to overcome other parties or you don't. Become too radical and less diverse in your representation of the country and the political party dies. I think we are going to see an evermore growing exodus from the Republican party to parties like that represent less radical black-and-white stances on the issues important in this country over the next 25 years unless the Republicans can let go of the above. I can also see the same systemic theology problem affecting the Democratic party in the future, but to a lesser extent. They have over the years shown they are willing to put aside certain stances on issues the majority voters disagree with them to get their candidate in office.

[ChunkyMonkey]

In short let go our principle and be more liberal. [Muaha] We can be liberal conservative, European style and gain some voters, but either way, we as conservatives are screwed, imho.

[ronaldrwl]

Compromise your beliefs and go with the flow? Then we can get some RINO's elected. Great.

[MarkCO]

In general, I agree. Personally, characterizing abortion as "Women's rights" is a pharce perpetuated by the left for the sole sake of getting votes. It is a scientific fact that a fetus/embryo/unborn baby is alive and is therefore a life. Ending that life is now a political battle and the GOP is going to have to figure out what to do about it because Ohio WAS a pro-abortion vote that put it in Obama's column.

While I see, and understand your other points, there are certainly other sides. The GOP is the rich white party as characterized by the left. The middle 80% has been 78% white in 2004, 74% white in 2008 and now 70% white in 2012. (I think those are the right numbers). The CURRENT GOP will NEVER win another election on the current models based on the shrinking "white vote".

The "Young" vote is here to stay. The technology is geared towards engaging the young vote, who for the most part has always voted Dem. Now, they will be so stoned they may not get to the polls to vote in 2012, so there may be a swing of CO back to the GOP. I do think the "Pro-Pot" vote lost Romney Colorado though.

The "brown vote" was certainly in Obama's camp regardless of his performance or policies. Recall the Howard Stern video that listed all of the major campaign issues of McCain but attributed them to Obama, and almost all of the interviewed people said those "issues" were why they were voting for Obama. Hogwash!

IF Romney had Rubio on the ticket instead of Ryan, I beleive he would have won. IF Romney had not been moderate, but attacked on the issues of "Women's health", foreign policy and the Auto Bailout, he would have won. If Obama had white skin, Romney would have won.

[jackthewall81]

Spot on SA. I know the Republican party had lost me to the Liberterians.

[HoneyBadger]

What ever happened to principles?

Also, the reason the young vote went primarily to Obama is because he promised them free things. End of story.

[SA Friday]

In general, I agree. Personally, characterizing abortion as "Women's rights" is a pharce perpetuated by the left for the sole sake of getting votes. It is a scientific fact that a fetus/embryo/unborn baby is alive and is therefore a life. Ending that life is now a political battle and the GOP is going to have to figure out what to do about it because Ohio WAS a pro-abortion vote that put it in Obama's column.

While I see, and understand your other points, there are certainly other sides. The GOP is the rich white party as characterized by the left. The middle 80% has been 78% white in 2004, 74% white in 2008 and now 70% white in 2012. (I think those are the right numbers). The CURRENT GOP will NEVER win another election on the current models based on the shrinking "white vote".

The "Young" vote is here to stay. The technology is geared towards engaging the young vote, who for the most part has always voted Dem. Now, they will be so stoned they may not get to the polls to vote in 2012, so there may be a swing of CO back to the GOP. I do think the "Pro-Pot" vote lost Romney Colorado though.

The "brown vote" was certainly in Obama's camp regardless of his performance or policies. Recall the Howard Stern video that listed all of the major campaign issues of McCain but attributed them to Obama, and almost all of the interviewed people said those "issues" were why they were voting for Obama. Hogwash!

IF Romney had Rubio on the ticket instead of Ryan, I beleive he would have won. IF Romney had not been moderate, but attacked on the issues of "Women's health", foreign policy and the Auto Bailout, he would have won. If Obama had white skin, Romney would have won.

I don't know if Rubio being on the ticket would have made a difference, but some damn good points made in your post. I didn't even think about Amendment 64 bringing more young voters to the polls, but ya, that's dead on.

[jackthewall81]

What ever happened to principles?

Also, the reason the young vote went primarily to Obama is because he promised them free things. End of story.

Obama is smart. As well as a lying piece of shit.

[Zundfolge]

So basically Republicans need to join the godless hedonist socialist Democrats so we can win?

What would be the point then?


The simple fact is that the American people no longer deserve liberty. Period.

So they're going to get the slavery (with bread and circuses) they crave.

[bigmyk2k]

Another article about the same topic. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/07/21_reasons_for_obamas_victory_and_romneys_defeat_1 16090.html)

[SA Friday]

So basically Republicans need to join the godless hedonist socialist Democrats so we can win?

What would be the point then?


The simple fact is that the American people no longer deserve liberty. Period.

So they're going to get the slavery (with bread and circuses) they crave.

No. They just need to be more flexible than you are currently displaying. Taking a zealotry stance on every issue instead of prioritizing core theology over tertiary issues is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Seriously, if I read another stupid quote by a republican candidate addressing rape and abortion, I might vomit... This is a TERMINAL stance within the republican party. Regardless of ones individual belief about abortion, the majority of women voters find the party stance repulsive.

To be fair, Akins and Mourdock said some stupid things but they won in the primaries due to Tea Party support. Mourdock lost because Lugar's supporters (who some here would call RINOs) defected to the Democratic candidate.

[dwalker460]

In general, I agree. Personally, characterizing abortion as "Women's rights" is a pharce perpetuated by the left for the sole sake of getting votes. It is a scientific fact that a fetus/embryo/unborn baby is alive and is therefore a life. Ending that life is now a political battle and the GOP is going to have to figure out what to do about it because Ohio WAS a pro-abortion vote that put it in Obama's column.

Agreed and as a Republican, I do not care much about abortion. I dont like it and its against my principles, but I do not get excited about it as a political issue and I honestly do not know any Republicans in my age group that do. My personal stance is that I would prefer to see more emphasis on birth control and contraception vs birth control, and I would really rather see abortion dropped as a political issue altogether. IMHO, it is the left who pushes the abortion issue, forcing Republicans to respond, and when they respond that they do not support it and do not believe in it that response is then touted as being anti-abortion, anti-womens rights and wantign to reverse Roe V Wade, when that is not likely to be the actual agenda.


While I see, and understand your other points, there are certainly other sides. The GOP is the rich white party as characterized by the left. The middle 80% has been 78% white in 2004, 74% white in 2008 and now 70% white in 2012. (I think those are the right numbers). The CURRENT GOP will NEVER win another election on the current models based on the shrinking "white vote".

While I agree for the most part, I think the reality is that the GOP is not the issue itself, the issue is that "non-white" Conservatives need to identify themselves as Conservatives and witness, for lack of a better term, to their peers. Have you ever noticed how preachy the left is? Start a conversation at a bus stop and I can almost promise you that some welfare recipient will tout Obamas achievements without having a single clue about the true facts. Its simple propaganda but its effective. On the other hand, most Conservatives are by nature Conservative and do not run around being all preachy and spewing BS. While I dont want to suggest that Conservatives need to run around spreading untruths, it would help the party immensely if most, especially the younger Conservatives, took pride in thier political stance and spread the ideals as far and wide as possible. It is seriously going to take a grassroots effort, and the Tea Party was a great start, but we need to hunker down and get to work.


The "Young" vote is here to stay. The technology is geared towards engaging the young vote, who for the most part has always voted Dem. Now, they will be so stoned they may not get to the polls to vote in 2012, so there may be a swing of CO back to the GOP. I do think the "Pro-Pot" vote lost Romney Colorado though.

Thats possible, although here is a novel concept- just because my stance is slightly different than yours- ie I do not drink, never tried drugs, dont gamble, and am faithful to my wife- does not mean that I am going to force my ideals on you. Conservatism as a base view is not about that. thats the Left, not us. We need to communicate and show the young voters that its the Conservative Republican Party that is the tolerant party, not the Left. Yeah sure, I am a Christian and your Jewish, and thats cool and more than that, I support your RIGHT to be Jewish, or Mormon, or Atheist, or Satanist. Because I am a Republican and NOT a Democrat, who on a large basis are against organized religion, and if you do not believe as they do your immediately and completely wrong. As Conservatives this needs to be the message we show day in and day out.


The "brown vote" was certainly in Obama's camp regardless of his performance or policies. Recall the Howard Stern video that listed all of the major campaign issues of McCain but attributed them to Obama, and almost all of the interviewed people said those "issues" were why they were voting for Obama. Hogwash!

Absolutely, but let me add that most Latinos are against most of the principles of the Democrat party. MOST, obviously not all but MOST of the Latinos I know are hardworking and dedicated to their families. Sounds like similar principles to me. A little simple education about the TRUTH of the Republican party would go a long way. Latino, Asian, Russian, Indian, etc. are all hardworking people and are not out to soak the system. They have just been blasted with Leftist principles to the point they are scared shitless of the Right. It woudl take so little for the Conservatives to strengthen the ties to these communities, and we NEED to work to that end.


IF Romney had Rubio on the ticket instead of Ryan, I beleive he would have won. IF Romney had not been moderate, but attacked on the issues of "Women's health", foreign policy and the Auto Bailout, he would have won. If Obama had white skin, Romney would have won.

Romney should have won. He is a great man and would have been twice the President of Obama and likely would have been the greatest President we have seen since Reagan.

Notice I say WE alot, and that because its not Romney, or Ryan, or Paul, or any of those guys who lost this election. WE lost the election, and we need to do better from here on out.

[Zundfolge]

No. They just need to be more flexible than you are currently displaying. Taking a zealotry stance on every issue instead of prioritizing core theology over tertiary issues is exactly what I'm talking about.
What "zealotry stance", what "prioritizing core theology"?

Republicans have publicly not given two shits about Abortion for the better part of the last decade or two, but Democrats keep bringing it up (and lying about it ... telling women that Republicans want them barefoot and pregnant).

Hell, the GOP could change their platform demanding zero restrictions on abortion AND government pay for it and the Dems would STILL get stupid women to vote against them because "the Republicans want you barefoot and pregnant".

The problem isn't really with the GOP, the problem is that the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party ... and they will continue to lie about Republicans no matter what they believe.

Hell, I think the problem is that the GOP keeps putting up mealy mouthed moderates like Romney and thus not giving people a CLEAR choice between D and R (its just D and D-Lite).

Frankly if the ticket had been Ryan-Rubio they would have done better (unless Obama's victory is due to cheating ... and since they're now claiming that voter turnout was significantly less than 2008 (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/07/2012-Turnout-Dramatically-Lower-Than-2008) I have to wonder where all those extra votes went).

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[theGinsue]

It shouldn't have to be stated, but apparently it does so let me put this out here now:

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[MarkCO]

dwalker460, excellent comments.

BTW, we don't know each other, hope to meet you at a range someday, but if you ever hear of me getting drunk, doing drugs, being other than faithful to my wife or the raising of my kids, feel free to send me a virtual slap upside the head. Integrity AND accountability are both beneficial.

[Zundfolge]

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I wasn't advocating for it (in fact the comment mostly pointed out the folly of such action) but if one is going to say there is no solution within the system, someone is going to come back with some sort of "put up or shut up" retort and that needs to be nipped in the bud.

Don't worry, if I ever decide that line needs to be crossed, I certainly won't be discussing it in a public forum.

[Rust_shackleford]

In short let go our principle and be more liberal. [Muaha] We can be liberal conservative, European style and gain some voters, but either way, we as conservatives are screwed, imho.
Already there.

[Ronin13]

Don't worry, if I ever decide that line needs to be crossed, I certainly won't be discussing it in a public forum.

I can't remember what they called their hush hush meetings in the 1770's... with the internet age and "big brother" watching, I have a feeling these won't be as easy to come by anyway... [Beer]

[theGinsue]

I wasn't advocating for it (in fact the comment mostly pointed out the folly of such action) but if one is going to say there is no solution within the system, someone is going to come back with some sort of "put up or shut up" retort and that needs to be nipped in the bud.

Don't worry, if I ever decide that line needs to be crossed, I certainly won't be discussing it in a public forum.

Thanks for explaining your comment. Exactly what you just explained is why I didn't issue you an infraction - I wasn't 100% sure of your motives.

For what it's worth, I found the possibility that you would advocate such a thing to be very un-characteristic of you. Thanks for not destroying my faith in you!

T.

[Irving]

SAFriday, I understand exactly what you are trying to say and completely agree. I'd like to be part of the conversation, but you've already expressed my sentiment perfectly.

Dwalker, you should really express yourself more often as you have done in this thread.

[SA Friday]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/sean-hannity-john-boehner-gop-tackle-immigration-reform-142212570--election.html

WHAAAAAAT? They lost 70% of the vote of the fastest growing demographic in the country?

Ya, you got it. Adapt or find yourself all stuck in the back of the short bus.

[spqrzilla]

In the original post we saw this:
The majority of women in this country will NOT vote for anyone who is going to spend any time money or lip service in abolishing abortion or plan parenthood.

This is an example of the misrepresentations that the Democrats succeeded in planting with the MSM's corrupt cooperation. Romney Ryan did not propose abolishing abortion nor planned parenthood. In the case of abortion, there was not any campaign theme at all. In the case of Planned Parenthood, the proposal was ending federal govt financial support of Planned Parenthood. The Obama campaign's ads were dishonest in claiming that this would end mammograms for women as Planned Parenthood does not provide such.


2. There is a HUGE, massive, gigantic young voters block in this country in the last two elections. I walked by it every day on campus. I saw Obama EVERYWHERE, jack shit Romney support. The commercials attacking Romney concerning college money went essentially unanswered in the main stream TV and young voting block campaign areas. There are little to no jobs for the 18-25 +/- year old to start right now. They are flocking to campuses and quite frankly, the Republican party MUST support education with tax dollars and voice this loudly. Once again, the Republicans ostracized a very large voting block residing in most metro areas. With the current economy, this voting block is larger than norman and they voted in huge numbers this year.

This is nonsense as well. Current student loan programs do a great deal of harm - I know as I teach part time at the community college level and I see the large amount of debt being loaded onto young people with little result.


3. The Latino immigration vote. This one is tough, because there are a lot of secondary issues concerning the latino population right now, the most critical being the boarder. BUT, the Republican party didn't say a single word in advertisement concerning this issue. This translated to, 'vote for Romney and he's going to stick it in you' after he's elected to those directly impacted by immigration. This also adversely effected his vote count in large metro areas, especially in NM, CO, and FLORIDA!!!!!

The idea that there is some great mass of conservative hispanic voters avoiding the GOP party for some reason like immigration policy is nonsense. The hispanic population is far from monolithic but its going Democratic because its has large proportion of left-leaning beliefs.

[SA Friday]

In the original post we saw this:

This is an example of the misrepresentations that the Democrats succeeded in planting with the MSM's corrupt cooperation. Romney Ryan did not propose abolishing abortion nor planned parenthood. In the case of abortion, there was not any campaign theme at all. In the case of Planned Parenthood, the proposal was ending federal govt financial support of Planned Parenthood. The Obama campaign's ads were dishonest in claiming that this would end mammograms for women as Planned Parenthood does not provide such.



This is nonsense as well. Current student loan programs do a great deal of harm - I know as I teach part time at the community college level and I see the large amount of debt being loaded onto young people with little result.



The idea that there is some great mass of conservative hispanic voters avoiding the GOP party for some reason like immigration policy is nonsense. The hispanic population is far from monolithic but its going Democratic because its has large proportion of left-leaning beliefs.

Wow... Thanks for clearing that up. So he DIDN'T lose 70% of these three voting factions then, right? His complete lack of addressing abortion or plan parenthood DIDN'T come over as a complete avoidance of the issue because his position was well understood. Obama's campaign DIDN'T play the commercial once ever two or three hours showing Romney telling every student in the country to borrow money from their parents without any readdress on the matter, regardless of what the truth might be. and... you didn't even look at the link in the post right before yours...

So, how did he lose every major metropolitan area in the entire country again?

[Teufelhund]

In the original post we saw this:

This is an example of the misrepresentations that the Democrats succeeded in planting with the MSM's corrupt cooperation. Romney Ryan did not propose abolishing abortion nor planned parenthood. In the case of abortion, there was not any campaign theme at all. In the case of Planned Parenthood, the proposal was ending federal govt financial support of Planned Parenthood. The Obama campaign's ads were dishonest in claiming that this would end mammograms for women as Planned Parenthood does not provide such.



This is nonsense as well. Current student loan programs do a great deal of harm - I know as I teach part time at the community college level and I see the large amount of debt being loaded onto young people with little result.



The idea that there is some great mass of conservative hispanic voters avoiding the GOP party for some reason like immigration policy is nonsense. The hispanic population is far from monolithic but its going Democratic because its has large proportion of left-leaning beliefs.

Either I am misunderstanding what you're saying here, or you are misinformed. PP does more breast exams than abortions. Source (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-glance-5552.htm)

IMO they should not receive federal funding, but mine is not a moral objection.

[Motley]

The GOP platform specifically states the goal of abolishing abortion past 20 weeks, as well as Romney making statements that he wanted to overturn Roe vs Wade, abolish funding for Planned Parenthood as well as removing support for any international aid resources that promotes or provide abortions. Not really sure how you can argue against these facts. You can't fix the problem the GOP has in connecting with others if you can't identify why the message is failing.

Personally I think the GOP is in a lot of trouble for a variety of reasons, but the main issue is they keep on having members lose the primaries due to tea party challenges but then the tea party challenger loses the election due to being too extreme for the average voter. Gerrymandering will keep the GOP relevant for a bit, but if they don't change they will no longer be a national force within the next 8 years as they won't be able to win Senate/Presidential elections.