Single Party Control of CO State Gov't

[.455_Hunter]

With all the discussion about the president's re-election, the one thing that has me most concerned is the fact that the Governor, State House and Senate will now be controlled by one party.

Possible issues:

- Erosion of Colorado's excellent CCW law, including allowing local cities/universities to ban CCW as needed for "safety".

- "No gun" signs in businesses having the force of law

- End of state preemption over local gun laws

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Hunter

[Zundfolge]

I think they'll be too busy trying to take TABOR away from us to worry about guns. Yet.

[Rust_shackleford]

Time to move. Me thinks they may try an AWB.

[Ronin13]

I see Denver's magazine capacity limit and ban of open carry going state wide... maybe even adoption of CA/NY like gun registration/permit laws. [Bang]

[.455_Hunter]

I am sure many people are salivating at the possibility of CO being one of the first states to buck the trend of expanding gun rights, courtesy of the the "never let a crisis go to waste" crowd.

[buckshotbarlow]

i'm starting to look at Wyoming, Nebraska or Oklahoma...sigh

Born and raised colorado'n

[merl]

I think Zund is on the right track. Expect an attack on TABOR, more fees as an end run around it.
I'm also expecting some new green policies. More wind/solar stuff and concentrated attacks on the oil industry.

[speedysst]

i'm starting to look at Wyoming, Nebraska or Oklahoma...sigh

Born and raised colorado'n

I am doing the same thing except I've added South Dakota to that list. I can no longer tolerate Californiarado...

[hollohas]

Here's a book about the subject...

The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado (and Why Republicans Everywhere Should Care) (http://www.amazon.com/The-Blueprint-Democrats-Republicans-Everywhere/dp/1936218003/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352325400&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=how+the+demacrates+won+colorado)


This is the inside story of one of the most stunning reversals of political fortune in American history. Four years ago, the GOP dominated politics at every level in Colorado. Republicans held both Senate seats, five of seven congressional seats, the governor’s mansion, the offices of secretary of state and treasurer, and both houses of the state legislature. After the 2008 election, the exact opposite was true: replace the word Republicans with Democrats in the previous sentence, and you have of one the most stunning reversals of political fortune in American history.

This is also the story of how it will happen—indeed, is happening—in other states across the country. In Colorado, progressives believe they have found a blueprint for creating permanent Democratic majorities across the nation. With discipline and focus, they have pioneered a legal architecture designed to take advantage of new campaign finance laws and an emerging breed of progressive donors who are willing to commit unprecedented resources to local races. It’s simple, brilliant, and very effective.

[OneGuy67]

You probably see the end of the death penalty. They were one vote away a couple of years ago. Going to be expansion of children's before and after school meals, Quest food programs, more aid to underprivileged single family with children. social programs, obama phones, blah, blah, blah.

[JohnTRourke]

You misspelled California II

Time to go (native Coloradoan, my state is dead)

[Zundfolge]

You misspelled California II

Time to go (native Coloradoan, my state is dead)
Yeah, but where? The rest of the Republic died last night too.

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah, but where? The rest of the Republic died last night too.

Maybe we can convince Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas to start a sepratist movement...

[th3w01f]

My wife and I spent a couple hours looking online for houses in Idaho last night. I need a somewhat major airport.

[CO303]

I own a house in SD. I can be out of here pretty quickly.

[CO Hugh]

Id be thinking of it but job makes it tough to move, licensing in other states and such.

[sniper7]

There are always ways around it.

[buckshotbarlow]

Cheyenne looks tasty, but damn that wind...Wyoming is the land of a thousand winds.

I require major airport also, never thought about IdontKnow. Might have to read patriots again on the plane ride i get 2 take...

[th3w01f]

Cheyenne looks tasty, but damn that wind...Wyoming is the land of a thousand winds.

I require major airport also, never thought about IdontKnow. Might have to read patriots again on the plane ride i get 2 take...

Great fishing in the middle of the city, far red state, from what I've seen the cost of housing is quite a bit cheaper.

[Irving]

Republicans shouldn't have fucked up. How do you like that filibuster now? Sure was funny what you did. Was it worth sitting on the sidelines now dicks?

[stevelkinevil]

never thought about leaving CO, but now? I am seriously considering it. Texas, Idaho, Arizona and Montana are looking like candidates.

[Storm]

Republicans shouldn't have fucked up. How do you like that filibuster now? Sure was funny what you did. Was it worth sitting on the sidelines now dicks?

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Would you please expound on this. Thanks.

[OneGuy67]

The new speaker of the house has announced he will get civil unions passed this year.

[Ronin13]

Maybe we can convince Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas to start a sepratist movement...

I started drafting a proposal last night (I can share here when finished and get your guys' input) that would lead to abolishing Federal control of MT, WY, SD, ND, OK, KS, and TX and lead to the creation of a new nation based upon the core principals outlined in the first and second continental congress, the constitution, bill of rights, and the founding fathers. [Beer]

[Monky]

I started drafting a proposal last night (I can share here when finished and get your guys' input) that would lead to abolishing Federal control of MT, WY, SD, ND, OK, KS, and TX and lead to the creation of a new nation based upon the core principals outlined in the first and second continental congress, the constitution, bill of rights, and the founding fathers. [Beer]


Yep.. you're going to pass a psych eval just fine there Mr. Kaczynski [ROFL1]

I already have heard the talk from several dems in the house that I have the 'pleasure' of being around.. about 'now is the time to get this shit passed'.. [Help]

[Ronin13]

Yep.. you're going to pass a psych eval just fine there Mr. Kaczynski [ROFL1]

I already have heard the talk from several dems in the house that I have the 'pleasure' of being around.. about 'now is the time to get this shit passed'.. [Help]

Non-Violent. We're not talking the overthrow of the government or anything, just like that thread from months back (New Republic of Texas or something), peaceful secession and a formation of a real "more perfect union." [Beer]

[ChunkyMonkey]

This thread fails. That is all.

[hatidua]

The new speaker of the house has announced he will get civil unions passed this year.

And that will negatively affect you how exactly?

[Zundfolge]

Non-Violent. We're not talking the overthrow of the government or anything, just like that thread from months back (New Republic of Texas or something), peaceful secession and a formation of a real "more perfect union." [Beer]
See the 1860s.

[Ronin13]

See the 1860s.

That's what we should try to avoid. Secede without attacking anyone, and try to reach a common ground: "We believe in this, you believe in that, much like many divorces there are irreconcilable differences, so instead of going to war with ourselves we just peacefully part ways... here are our terms and conditions." [Coffee]

[TEAMRICO]

Ha, why follow the laws they pass anyways?
Make all the laws they can pass all day long. Dont have to follow them.
You see what it was like to be a law abiding citizen, doing your best to make this country great.........you see where that got us.
Mediocrity at best is now acceptable. Just play the victim and expect everyone else to to do the work.
Laws.....ha ha ha now thats funny!

[Irving]

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Would you please expound on this. Thanks.

Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.

[OneGuy67]

And that will negatively affect you how exactly?

Don't get your panties in a wad. The thread is about what is going to happen since both houses are now in democrat control. And frankly, it would be a long discussion on how this would affect me that I don't feel like having here.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Ha, why follow the laws they pass anyways?
Make all the laws they can pass all day long. Dont have to follow them.

Some of us have little or no choice. I could quit working so I didn't have any legal or ethical issues with civil disobedience like you suggest but many people have dependents or need their job to cover expenses and many of the jobs in this town take a dim view of felonies or even serious misdemeanors.

[Aloha_Shooter]

That's what we should try to avoid. Secede without attacking anyone, and try to reach a common ground: "We believe in this, you believe in that, much like many divorces there are irreconcilable differences, so instead of going to war with ourselves we just peacefully part ways... here are our terms and conditions." [Coffee]

Doesn't work. As Zundfolge was alluding to, the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself. (He wrote it better than this but I read it about 7 years ago and can't remember the exact wording.) Besides, the Stalinist model of the liberals won't allow for any freedom to depart -- they won't rest until they have globalized their soak-the-rich, endorse-homosexual/bisexual/quadrisexual-marriage/unions/relationships, anti-gun, anti-religious culture. In their world, anything that smacks of traditional values or individual freedom (except those freedoms they deem acceptable) is to be stamped out whereever it exists.

[Circuits]

the Civil War successfully established the paradigm that secession is not an option for any state in the Union. Ulysses Grant wrote in his memoirs that even if you accepted a right of secession for one of the original 13 colonies, it doesn't hold for any state admitted after them because the new states were established by the Union itself.

It establishes that dissolution, much like accession, is not unilateral - that if a state wishes to leave, the majority of the rest must agree to let it go.

It does not say that there can be no devolution under the law, just that devolution, after accession, cannot be unilateral.

The only alternative would be the natural alternative of successful revolution and resistance.

[wreave]

Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.

Exactly. For the sake of shutting down a law that is supported by the majority of Coloradans, they got voted out by a majority of Coloradans. Not only will civil unions pass in the next two years, but several other things that we're really not gonna like, that actually impact our lives.

Colorado is still one of the freer states, and will continue to be, but the next couple of years are going to be interesting.

[Storm]

Remember when they filibustered earlier this year in order to avoid voting on Civil Unions and several other bills? It was despicable and they their majority over it. Now they've got exactly the opposite of what they wanted, with no way to defend against the outcome. The Republicans acted like trash, got treated like trash and thrown to the curb, and now they get to watch from the sidelines (curb) because of their actions.

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I agree with you both forma political and a civil right's standpoint. Even John Caldera said earlier this year the the Repubs should get ahead of this and support it. Otherwise, it was going to bite them in the pooper.

[.455_Hunter]

Now since the governor has thrown down the gauntlet today, do the Republicans have any possibility of stopping potential legislation? Filibuster?

I guess I won't buy my wife a new CCW piece- she wont be able to carry it to work (CU-Boulder) in the near future anyway.