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DHC
11-08-2012, 13:06
Wrapping up just a few minutes ago, former astronaut Mark Kelly and his wife, former Representative Gabby Giffords while speaking at the Jared Loughner sentencing, made several statements criticizing some political leaders for their stance on gun control. Reading through the transcript, it is heart-wrenching. It is this sort of tugging at raw emotion that is sure to be seized upon by those who want to enact new anti-gun legislation/regulation.

Article attribution -- http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/gabby-would-trade-her-own-life-to-bring-back-any-one-of-those-you-savagely-murdered/

I've emboldened the two paragraphs related to gun control - though the text should be read in its entirety.


Mr. Loughner, for the first and last time, you are going to hear directly from Gabby and me about what you took away on January 8th, 2011 and, just as important, what you did not. So pay attention.


That bright and chilly Saturday morning, you killed six innocent people. Daughters and sons. Mothers and fathers. Grandparents and friends. They were devoted to their families, their communities, their places of worship.


Gabby would trade her own life to bring back any one of those you savagely murdered on that day. Especially young Christina-Taylor Green, whose high-minded ideas about service and democracy deserved a full life committed to advancing them. Especially 30-year old Gabe Zimmerman, whom Gabby knew well and cherished, and whose love for his family and his fiancee and service to his country were as deep as his loss is tragic. Especially Judge John Roll whom Gabby was honored to call a colleague and friend and from whose interminable dedication to our community and country she gained enormous inspiration. Gabby would give anything to take away the grief you visited upon the Morrises, the Schnecks, and the Stoddards – anything to heal the bodies and psyches of your other victims.


And then there is what you took from Gabby. Her life has been forever changed. Plans she had for our family and her career have been immeasurably altered. Every day is a continuous struggle to do those things she was once so very good at. Gabby is a people person: she exudes kindness, creativity, and compassion. If she were not born with the name – “Gabby” – someone would have given it to her. Now she struggles to deliver each and every sentence. Her gift for language can now only be seen in Internet videos from a more innocent time.


Gabby was an outdoor enthusiast. She was often seen rollerblading with her friend Raoul in Reed Park, hiking in Sabino Canyon, or careening down Rillito Wash Trail on her bike, as she was the night before you tried and failed to murder her. She hasn't been to any of those places since, and I don't know when she’ll return.


There’s more. Gabby struggles to walk. Her right arm is paralyzed. She is partially blind. Gabby works harder in one minute of an hour – fighting to make each individual moment count for something – than most of us work in an entire day.


Mr. Loughner, by making death and producing tragedy, you sought to extinguish the beauty of life. To diminish potential. To strain love. And to cancel ideas. You tried to create for all of us a world as dark
 and evil as your own.

 But know this, and remember it always: You failed.


Your decision to commit cold-blooded mass murder also begs of us to look in the mirror. This horrific act warns us to hold our leaders and ourselves responsible for coming up short when we do, for not having the courage to act when it’s hard, even for possessing the wrong values.


We are a people who can watch a young man like you spiral into murderous rampage without choosing to intervene before it is too late.


We have a political class that is afraid to do something as simple as have a meaningful debate about our gun laws and how they are being enforced. We have representatives who look at gun violence,
 not as a problem to solve, but as the white elephant in the room to ignore. As a nation we have repeatedly passed up the opportunity to address this issue. After Columbine; after Virginia Tech; after Tucson and after Aurora we have done nothing.

In this state we have elected officials so feckless in their leadership that they would say, as in the case of Governor Jan Brewer, “I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the magazine or the caliber of the gun.” She went on and said, “Even if the shooter's weapon had held fewer bullets, he'd have another gun, maybe. He could have three guns in his pocket” – she said this just one week after a high capacity magazine allowed you to kill six and wound 19 others, before being wrestled to the ground while attempting to reload. Or a state legislature that thought it appropriate to busy itself naming an official Arizona state gun just weeks after this tragedy occurred, instead of doing the work it was elected to do: encourage economic growth, help our returning veterans and fix our education system.


The challenges we face are so great, but the leadership in place is so often lacking. In so many moments, I find myself thinking, “We need Gabby.” In letter after letter, I’ve seen that others agree. As Americans mourned the six who died, they also mourned the loss of a representative who embodied the service they realized they should expect from those they elect, the type of person our county desperately needs to provide leadership and solve problems. Gabby was a courageous member of congress. Willing to stand up to the establishment when the establishment was wrong. She was thirsty for partnership across the aisle and was an unrelenting champion for her 600,000 constituents. One of which was you.

There’s something else Gabby and I have been spending a lot of time thinking about. The way we conduct politics must change. Sure it’s easier to win a debate if you can turn your opponent into a demon, but that’s not how we move forward. Not only does slash and burn politics make Americans cynical about their leaders, but it leads to bad ideas. It creates problems instead of solving the ones we have now.


Even amid all that was lost, Gabby and I give thanks for her life, her spirit, and her intellect, which are a continued force in this world despite what you’ve done. We exalt in sharing our lives with each other and with our family and friends.


As a city, Tucson has grown stronger. We love this community, and we love our neighbors. We are resilient, and the dynamism and compassion of our fellow Tucsonans will continue to push this city forward.


And there is what persists in Gabby: her love for this city, this state and this country. Her commitment to lifting us all up, and her ability to lead. Mr. Loughner, you may have put a bullet through her head, but you haven’t put a dent in her spirit and her commitment to make the world a better place.


Mr. Loughner, pay close attention to this: Though you are mentally ill, you are responsible for the death and hurt you inflicted upon all of us on January 8th of last year. You know this. Gabby and I know this.

 Everyone in this courtroom knows this.


You have decades upon decades to contemplate what you did. But after today. After this moment. Here and now. Gabby and I are done thinking about you.

sniper7
11-08-2012, 13:39
Sorry for your suffering, but millions of americans have fought and died for the right for you to speak your mind and millions more have done the same thing to keep firearm ownership something that we can pass down to our children.

3 space shuttles have crashed yet the NASA program continued through these hardships allowing you to achieve your dream of making it to space. The right to self defense is not a dream, it is a right that should be the most heavily guarded right behind the freedom of speech. The founders of our country felt this way as do I and millions of other Americans.

Mr_RoP
11-08-2012, 13:42
Well stated Sniper7!!

merl
11-08-2012, 13:43
Guy's wife was shot, he turned into a fanatic. Not the first time, look at Brady.

I'll agree with this line though

Or a state legislature that thought it appropriate to busy itself naming an official Arizona state gun just weeks after this tragedy occurred, instead of doing the work it was elected to do: encourage economic growth, help our returning veterans and fix our education system.

more work less bullshit

Fmedges
11-08-2012, 13:54
People have to understand that sometimes bad things just happen. Sometimes there isn't always a reason or a thing to blame. In this case it's the person who shot his wife. If he had used a board with a nail in it is that any worse than a firearm? If the results are the same then the idea that one thing caused this tragedy over another is just foolish. I understand that he is trying to blame something for the actions of this individual, but in this case as many others the person that committed the crime is the sole thing that should be blamed.

Zundfolge
11-08-2012, 14:02
So you want to take MY gun because some nut shot your wife?

FU Mr Kelly. And you just used up any sympathy I had for your situation.

streetglideok
11-08-2012, 14:03
Not my fault his wife fell victim to the antics of extreme liberalism in congress. Its sad she was shot and wounded, and others died, but there have been many more who died from drunk driving, and other acts of stupid driving.

hatidua
11-08-2012, 14:10
I feel for the guy but I don't know how much effect a retired spouse of a retired politician has when it comes to swaying the votes of people who simply want to keep getting reelected.

DHC
11-08-2012, 14:17
In reading Kelly's words, I had a number of reactions. Some of those are as, I suspect, Kelly intended - and some are not.

For example:

When he wrote that Giffords would exchange places with those slain - I believe him. My guess is that Giffords, like many of us in those same circumstances, would feel a sense of responsibility for them having been there at the wrong place/time. While not logical perhaps, it is entirely understandable.

It is also human nature to try to fix blame for things that go wrong in one's life. Very little is more 'normal' and understandable. In Kelly's description of Loughner's shooting until others wrestled him to the ground while attempting to reload - it conjured an image of the fallen and scrambling with bullets flying around them - a scary image, indeed - especially if you envision your own loved one's among them.

OTOH, I confess that one of my initial reactions was not sympathetic, it was curiosity. I did not know Arizona had a "State gun." Turns out it is the Colt Peacemaker - an ironic selection under the circumstances.

sniper7's comments above offer a well-honed balance between the deserved sympathy for the victims and their families, and the rights so many have sacrificed to provide for us all.

Ronin13
11-08-2012, 14:27
I have the utmost sympathy for those killed and injured by this act. But I have to ask, why is that only stupid people are shot/family of those shot? I have not once seen a shooting occur and a victim or family member of a victim came forward and said "Ya know, if we were a little less restrictive, and allowed more honest, law-abiding folks to carry guns, this whole tragedy probably would have been avoided."

buffalobo
11-08-2012, 14:28
So you want to take MY gun because some nut shot your wife?

FU Mr Kelly. And you just used up any sympathy I had for your situation.

^This.

I can't tolerate those who wish to manufacture victims.

DavieD55
11-08-2012, 16:01
So you want to take MY gun because some nut shot your wife?

FU Mr Kelly. And you just used up any sympathy I had for your situation.


Exactly! +1

BPTactical
11-08-2012, 17:55
We are going to see Tucson, Aurora and the like used against us to the extreme.
Even if you don't agree with them fully, now is the time to support the NRA, GOA, RMGO and such.
They are the ONLY voices we have.

And to Mr. Kelly, the previous assessment is spot on.

hatidua
11-08-2012, 18:11
I have the utmost sympathy for those killed and injured by this act. But I have to ask, why is that only stupid people are shot/family of those shot?

Might be worth your time to compare Mark Kelly's resume' with your own. You may not agree with his comments but most people of diminished mental capacity have not achieved the things he has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly_(astronaut)

BPTactical
11-08-2012, 18:32
Might be worth your time to compare Mark Kelly's resume' with your own. You may not agree with his comments but most people of diminished mental capacity have not achieved the things he has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly_(astronaut)


That's gonna leave a mark[LOL]

Jackal
11-08-2012, 20:33
I would only have one question for Mr. Kelly:

With all due respect and sympathy for what has happened to your wife, if this guy had used an automobile to run down and kill six people, and injure 19 more, would you be proposing to ban automobiles?
Would you be criticizing politicians for failing to keep cars out of the hands of the mentally ill or alchoholics? Or selecting a state auto?

I think not. It's not the tool that is the problem.

Madusa
11-08-2012, 21:05
So you want to take MY gun because some nut shot your wife?

FU Mr Kelly. And you just used up any sympathy I had for your situation.

Well said +1

Irving
11-08-2012, 21:51
I have not once seen a shooting occur and a victim or family member of a victim came forward and said "Ya know, if we were a little less restrictive, and allowed more honest, law-abiding folks to carry guns, this whole tragedy probably would have been avoided."

That's only because it's not at all true.

BPTactical
11-08-2012, 22:58
I have not once seen a shooting occur and a victim or family member of a victim came forward and said "Ya know, if we were a little less restrictive, and allowed more honest, law-abiding folks to carry guns, this whole tragedy probably would have been avoided."

Google Dr S Gratia Hough(sp)..her parents were with her at a Lubys resteraunt in Killeen TX when a whacko came in and lit up the place. She watched her parents die and yet she had her legal sidearm in the car.
By law at that time you could not carry in a resteraunt. She gave a very powerful statement to a judicial committee or similar and was instrumental in changes to the law.
Watch it, great stuff.