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So here is the story. I live outside of Elizabeth in a subdivision that has 5 acre lots. I have three dogs that while may bark occasionally have never caused a problem except for the UPS driver. He carries snacks and all the dogs will jump into his truck and not get out. They all stay on my property with the help of an under ground fence.
So here is the problem, my neighbors dogs think that my property is theirs since his house is built close to the property line. His dogs have caused problems in the past by attacking my dogs with one requiring medical attention, he did pay for that incident. His dogs don't have a fenced area and seem to also think that my property is where they should crap and piss also. I have talked to him numerous times and he always has an excuse that his under ground fence is cut or that he forgot to put the collars on. I told him if he would leave the collars on the dogs wouldn't come onto my property and cause problems and that is all I care about.
I have talked to the sheriff about the problem and he talked to him because he told me that someone complained that his dogs weren't staying on his property. Well tonight they got into a fight with my dogs again which is more like an ass kicking because my dogs are very docile no damage, but I have had it with his dogs. Should I contact the sheriff again? Also I'm afraid that he will do something to my dogs or should I just pull out the sniper rifle and drop them while on my property and claim they were attacking my dogs again? Anybody have any other ideas?????
I can feel your pain. Obviously the neighbor doesn't care. Call the cops every time there is a an altercation. If you can catch the dogs, ask that the sheriff impound the dogs. When his dogs attack yours, take them to the vet every time and send him the bill. Make the neighbor go through the hassle of dealing with the cops every time. If the neighbor tries to do anything to your dogs, well that's a whole 'nother story.
I'm a dog lover but just can't stand aggressive dogs and stupid people.
Bailey Guns
11-12-2012, 20:02
Yeah...it's really not a dog problem you have. It's a neighbor problem. His dogs are just a symptom. I agree with Pook. Every time his dogs come on to your property call Animal Control. Every time they fight, take your dogs to the vet and make him pay the bill...through the courts if you have to.
A situation like that with a dipshit neighbor must really suck.
Limited GM
11-12-2012, 20:17
The problem with dogs is the same as kids, anyone can own them and raise as they see fit.
brokenscout
11-12-2012, 20:25
Is there an HOA? If not shoot the dogs....If they attack
patrick0685
11-12-2012, 20:27
I can feel your pain. Obviously the neighbor doesn't care. Call the cops every time there is a an altercation. If you can catch the dogs, ask that the sheriff impound the dogs. When his dogs attack yours, take them to the vet every time and send him the bill. Make the neighbor go through the hassle of dealing with the cops every time. If the neighbor tries to do anything to your dogs, well that's a whole 'nother story.
I'm a dog lover but just can't stand aggressive dogs and stupid people.
i agree, make it worse to not have control of his dogs
His dogs have caused problems in the past by attacking my dogs with one requiring medical attention,
Your patience far exceeds mine.
Tough call. If you can catch his dogs on your property call the Sheriffs out and they will impound them as stated above. The other owner could be given a ticket for a leash law/animal at large type of violation if your jurisdiction has those. I hate difficult neighbors. I live next to a nightmare too, and I don't have 5 acres. They must have 300 people in their family and they all come over every day of the week. They always park 10 beat up held together by tape cars in front of my house blocking my driveway. It got to the point where I would park my 3 cars out in front of my house and just leave my garage empty. [ROFL2] It seems to have given them a hint for now but it's always something. They are constantly yelling and carrying on.
Anyways, sorry to get off topic. I'd recommend keeping the law involved. Worst case it will help you in civil court when you have multiple police reports to bring along with you.
No HOA. To add to all this the guy has a problem with the actual property line between our property's. He was actually driving on my land to get to his back yard/area. I went out and put up T-Post on the property line to mark my ground and he complained. Then him and his room mate went and tried to figure out the property line which was actually about 4 beers and a cigar's worth of good times watching from the deck. Three days later he paid to have it surveyed and it was about 3" off from what I said it was. I'm sure he is still pissed about that as well.
jhood001
11-12-2012, 20:42
As others have said, call each and every time they step foot on your property. It may seem like a bitch move, but you have already talked to the guy so the next step is some sort of escalation. I think it is wise for that escalation to be through the law and not on your own.
And gather evidence!!! Film the dogs when they're on your property and if you can, film any dog fights. You may need it to cover your ass if you're forced to put one of them down.
crashdown
11-12-2012, 21:23
Good luck.
Im in the middle of something similar with a neighbor and dogs.
Document everything, and prepare for it to go on for a long time.
I have video, pictures, police reports, 6 witnesses, 2 Sheriffs, and one animal control officer all on my side, and as witnesses. Still not anywhere close to a resolution.
It's just not as easy as people think.
Well the sheriff has been notified. He said he would give him a warning and the next time I see them on my property that they will issue him a ticket. So I guess the ball is rolling so time will tell.
Great-Kazoo
11-13-2012, 10:51
Let's see
1) Viscious dogs at large
2) Unable to contain said dogs on their property
3) Injury to you "docile" pets
4) Potential for neighbors dogs to attack you or family members
5) Solution- Shoot them. Numerous warning have been given both by you & Law Enforcement. As long as you have not said to LE or Neighbor, you would shoot the animals follow deadly force guidelines
Threat, or what you perceived to be a threat constitutes use of deadly force, AS NECESSARY!
You do what you think is right. HOWEVER after more than one Viscous attack on your "Family pets" I'd say you have more then good grounds to do what is necessary.
spqrzilla
11-13-2012, 10:58
The three "S's" : Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.
Twenty years ago the Elbert county Sheriff told my dad to shoot dogs causing problems like eating our chickens, ducks, etc. Too many city folk out there now.
Ok. Everyone needs to keep this civil. That means no suggestions of anything illegal or cruel. And no attacks at each other either.
ANADRILL
11-13-2012, 11:33
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If you shoot his dogs, yours will end up dead too. If he doesn't care about his dogs, you can be sure he cares even less about yours, so I don't recommend the shooting route. Get a video camera to record what's going on all the time on that side of the house and get the sheriff and/or animal control involved each and every time there's a problem.
O2
crashdown
11-13-2012, 11:54
Well the sheriff has been notified. He said he would give him a warning and the next time I see them on my property that they will issue him a ticket. So I guess the ball is rolling so time will tell.
Ticket won't stand, and probably won't even be given. His word against yours.
Gotta have proof, proof has to be time and date stamped, proof has to absolutely prove it was on your property, you have to able to prove you didn't bait or call the dogs over, proof has to prove it is a habitual problem..... do I sound bitter????
Ticket won't stand, and probably won't even be given. His word against yours.
Gotta have proof, proof has to be time and date stamped, proof has to absolutely prove it was on your property, you have to able to prove you didn't bait or call the dogs over, proof has to prove it is a habitual problem..... do I sound bitter????
I have pics that are date stamped. I can get pics everyday if need be. The dogs have regular bowel movements on my property.
rockhound
11-13-2012, 12:52
5) Solution- Shoot them. Numerous warning have been given both by you & Law Enforcement. As long as you have not said to LE or Neighbor, you would shoot the animals follow deadly force guidelines
Threat, or what you perceived to be a threat constitutes use of deadly force, AS NECESSARY!
You do what you think is right. HOWEVER after more than one Viscous attack on your "Family pets" I'd say you have more then good grounds to do what is necessary.[/QUOTE]
shoot shovel and shutup,
how about you haze them first though, a 12 ga bean bag the next time they come on your property may just train the dog that bad things happen when they go over there, OH yeah shoot the dog with the bean bag not the owner, despite how tempting it may be. [ROFL2]
Tough call. If you can catch his dogs on your property call the Sheriffs out and they will impound them as stated above. The other owner could be given a ticket for a leash law/animal at large type of violation if your jurisdiction has those. I hate difficult neighbors. I live next to a nightmare too, and I don't have 5 acres. They must have 300 people in their family and they all come over every day of the week. They always park 10 beat up held together by tape cars in front of my house blocking my driveway. It got to the point where I would park my 3 cars out in front of my house and just leave my garage empty. [ROFL2] It seems to have given them a hint for now but it's always something. They are constantly yelling and carrying on.
Anyways, sorry to get off topic. I'd recommend keeping the law involved. Worst case it will help you in civil court when you have multiple police reports to bring along with you.
Just FYI, with this, why don't you have them towed? If there is a vehicle blocking your driveway, IIRC, you can have them towed at their expense. [Beer]
glenncal1
11-13-2012, 13:30
You might try some negative reinforcement on the dogs. High pressure hose, bear spray, the bean bag gun or something. Might "train" them to stay on their property.
You might try some negative reinforcement on the owner. High pressure hose, bear spray, the bean bag gun or something. Might "train" them to stay on their property.
FTFY... Now that would be hilarious! [Coffee]
Honestly the best thing that I can think of is to get a wide angle security camera that can cover the area from your home. Then like others have said, call the authorities every time that you see the dogs cross the line. Then when the officer shows up, review the footage and give him a copy if he wants it. Then he can issue the citation. Hurt him financially, that is the best way to get to someone. Then if you are outside and those dogs make a run at you, given their history I would not hesitate to put them down. There is nothing illegal about it if they are a threat to you, or your property on your property. But if you go that rout I would recommend keeping a close eye on your pets because retaliation from the neighbor could be a real concern.
Also I heard little bowls of antifreeze are supposed to enhance the operation of a buried electric fence against dogs who no longer have a collar.
crashdown
11-13-2012, 14:45
Forget that hazing or bean bag garbage!!!
You injure his animal, and then can't prove it was on your property and/or that you were in danger, you would be screwed.
It might take you months to get a good case against him, but he will have you up on animal cruelty charges in seconds!
Teufelhund
11-13-2012, 14:49
I'm not an advocate of doing anything to the dogs. They are just animals; they don't understand property lines. To punish them for violating your space is just wrong; it's the same as putting down a pit bull because some asshole hung chains around its neck and taught it to fight.
I agree with Bailey on this one: you have a neighbor problem, and that is what needs to be solved.
110% agree ^
Why harm the dogs when the homeowner is the issue.
CrufflerSteve
11-13-2012, 15:29
I lived in Elizabeth 30 years ago. Once, after a blizzard we were shoveling out and some idiot neighbor walked by with two pit bulls with shock collars. They ignored the collars when they saw our dogs and attacked them. (I bent a snow shovel in half one one's neck.) When I called the Sheriff to complain their response was, "Why didn't you shoot them?" I'd left the guns in the house and this was long before CCW.
Do you have a horse? Can you borrow one? I live in Sedalia in horse country. A few neighbors have shot dogs hassling their horses and the dog's owners found out Colorado law is very explicit that "Thou shalt not mess with livestock." When they complained they were pretty much told to piss off.
If you do have to shoot the dogs, just be careful of your backstop. 5 acres is not very big. Sounds like a shotgun situation.
Steve
Just FYI, with this, why don't you have them towed? If there is a vehicle blocking your driveway, IIRC, you can have them towed at their expense. [Beer]
This is a genius idea. However, working with tows quite frequently I am aware of how long it takes them to respond and tow cars when it isn't for the Cops. These "family gatherings" often occur outside in the yard/on the porch where they can keep an eye on their trusty vehicles. They move them periodically so a tow may be tough to stick. And if I call a tow and they show and there is no vehicle to hook I get stuck with their response fee. Additionally, I'm trying to be a decent neighbor. Afterall I just moved into this house a few months back and I will probably be living here for at least 5 years. It's silent R GRAY for certain though.
This is a genius idea. However, working with tows quite frequently I am aware of how long it takes them to respond and tow cars when it isn't for the Cops. These "family gatherings" often occur outside in the yard/on the porch where they can keep an eye on their trusty vehicles. They move them periodically so a tow may be tough to stick. And if I call a tow and they show and there is no vehicle to hook I get stuck with their response fee. Additionally, I'm trying to be a decent neighbor. Afterall I just moved into this house a few months back and I will probably be living here for at least 5 years. It's silent R GRAY for certain though.
Well I'd just politely ask that they avoid parking where they are and blocking my drive... I don't have these issues up here in the mountains... [Coffee]
At least you're trying to be a good neighbor, there aren't a lot of people out there anymore who go out of their way to act "neighborly."
OP, let me get this straight, you've talked to this guy about his dogs and he blows you off? I love the idea of document everything, take pictures/video, and contact the SD. I know how Jeffco works with dogs that are misbehaving, not sure how it is down there, but if there are too many complaints they could possibly fine or even impound the animals.
Thoughts on putting up some fence? You already had a survey. Seems like that would end your headache immediately.
GilpinGuy
11-30-2012, 02:26
Man, I didn't read all 3 pages of responses ,but just wanted to give my 2 cents when I had a "sort of" similar situation.
Some dog, unknown owner, started attacking my dogs occasionally. A few times I had my guys get bitten to the bone on their legs. Pretty big vet bills, but I had no idea who the owner was. I live in rural Gilpin County and there are lots of dogs that roam around in the woods, but I have never had one so viscous like this asshole.
I called the Sheriff and asked if I could blast this dog if he attacked my guys again. Sheriff said "yeah, just don't shoot him in the ass if he's running away" (I thought that was funny as hell at the time).
Then my neighbor tells me that his wife was walking his dog and this POS dog attacked his wife and bit her. Another call to the Sheriff.
Then it happened. Dog attacks one of my guys...I grab the shotgun...no more attacks ever since. I still have no idea who's dog it was. If I did I would have certainly tried to reason with the owner and tried to avoid shooting his dog. I felt I had no choice.
I know some people don't like this. But if another dog was attacking my dog and it was a constant problem with no viable solution; I would warn the owner of the other dog that I would kill it the second that his dog threatened myself of my pet on my property.
I had a dog in the neighborhood where I last lived that was a great big giant bulldog. Use to get loose almost once a week. For a long time I use to walk over to the neighbors house and tell them their dog was loose. I was the nice guy who did that when everyone else just called the cops. Even though their dog was aggressive toward me and my dog. This went on for almost a year. Animal control was called multiple times by other neighbors. Nothing ever happened. Then one day that bastard dog came after me and my dog. I made it into the house with my dog. Next day I went over knocked on the neighbors door shaking mad and told him that next time it happened I would kill it out of self defense. I told him that people have tried to work with him that that dog was a menace that was going to kill a child or another dog or harm someone and I would take it as a mortal threat and down it next time it came near me.
Never saw the dog again.... but it took me losing my cool for it to finally sink in their asinine head.
mahabali
11-30-2012, 10:46
Thoughts on putting up some fence? You already had a survey. Seems like that would end your headache immediately.
My thoughts exactly.
newracer
11-30-2012, 11:53
Good fences make good neighbors.
Well the dogs did come onto my property the day after I called the sheriff. I called them again and the sheriff was out within 30 minutes, of course the dogs where back over on his property by then. The sheriff was there for about 20 minutes and since then the dogs have been on my property once. So maybe he got the message but only time will tell. I home pretty much all day and I know when anything is within site of my property that is not the norm. However I will be starting a 3-4 week job Monday so I wonder if they will start to visit again.
Dead beat neighbors don't give a crap about anyone else. They only care about themselves. The only way to get through to these kind of people is to hurt their pocket book or cause them an inconvenience. I have been exposed to enough dead beat neighbors to know that trying to reason with them in a civil manner is a complete waste of time. They only care about the path of least resistance. If the least resistance path of doing something results in negatively impacting you in some way they don't give a crap. So all you can do is make the path that affects you NOT the path of least resistance.
Personally, I confront the neighbor and tell them to stop whatever they are doing. No Nice guy beat around the bushes crap either. Then if it does not stop, the neighbor magically starts to have a lot of bad luck all the sudden. When they stop doing what they need to stop doing, their bad luck streak magically stops. It takes some people a little longer than others to link the correlation of their bad luck to what they were told not to do, but they all eventually figure it out as their "bad luck" increases exponentially as time progresses.
I am not saying this is legal, but some people really don't get it unless its done this way.
Like said numerous times, Video and fence.
killianak9
11-30-2012, 17:48
Agreed , Video Cams and Fence. And be sure to let them see you install the cameras. I had an issue with some neighbor punks that egged my cars and house and broke into my wifes car. One week later I was installing the cameras and the same kids saw me, havent been hit since. Theres no pill for stupid and these lovely neighbors you have may not take the hint. But atleast you will be able to add video to all your documentation to build your case. Good luck
Just an example a buddy of mine was out with his dog when a pit bull that was loose came up and attacked his dog and in effect him when he was trying to pull the two apart. My buddy pulled is 45 and shot the dog in the head. He then called the cops to report the incident and the cops agreed with his handling of the situation. If you feel that the dog is going to do damage to you, your animals or what ever on your own property, then you have to right to take it down. It is not a human and does not have the same rules associated with it.
I hope it does not come to that, but something tells me that either you tell the owner that is the direction things are headed or you will never solve the problem.
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