Obama to Ban Guns?

[buckeye4rnr]

http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin

Anyone think this is legit?


Here it is, folks, and it is bad news: Obama’s Official Proposed Gun Ban List | Alan Korwin (http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin) November 28, 2012 (http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin) http://static.squarespace.com/static/4f34530ecb12e336a9dfe29c/t/50b3feffe4b0214dc1f4bced/1353973504159/120620_obama_holder_605_ap1.jpeg?format=750w






Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is already laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):




Rifles (or copies or duplicates):M1 Carbine
Sturm Ruger Mini-14
AR-15
Bushmaster XM15
Armalite M15
AR-10
Thompson 1927
Thompson M1
AK
AKM
AKS
AK-47
AK-74
ARM
MAK90
NHM 90
NHM 91
SA 85
SA 93
VEPR
Olympic Arms PCR
AR70
Calico Liberty
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or DragunovSVU
Fabrique National FN/FAL
FN/LAR, or FNC
Hi-Point20Carbine
HK-91, HK-93
HK-94
HK-PSG-1
Thompson 1927 Commando
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle
Saiga
SAR-8
SAR-4800
SKS with detachable magazine
SLG 95
SLR 95 or 96
Steyr AU
Tavor
Uzi
Galil and Uzi Sporter
Galil Sporter or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz)




Pistols (or copies or duplicates):Calico M-110
MAC-10
MAC-11
MPA3
Olympic Arms OA
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion or AB-10
Uzi




Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):Armscor 30 BG
SPAS 12 or LAW 12
Striker 12
Streetsweeper




Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm




Forward or send to every gun owner you know…Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube – CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk




A partial list of gun rights groups:Gun Owners of America
http://gunowners.org/
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.jpfo.org/
FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm
National Rifle Association
http://www.nra.org/
Second Amendment Committee
http://www.libertygunrights.com/
Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/
Second Amendment Sisters
http://www.2asisters.org/
Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com/

[kidicarus13]

That's an old list. As opposed to a "new" list which there is not one.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm sure that's a democrat's wet dream of a gun ban list. But the line, "The framework for legislation is already laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us," is nonsense. Unless I missed it when the dems took over the house. I'd give this article about a 1 on the "Believe 'o Meter".

[loveski]

There was something similar in 2008. Probably the same list, just changed the date.

[buckeye4rnr]

Oh, that makes sense. I didn't think it was legit but thought I'd ask.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm sure that's a democrat's wet dream of a gun ban list. But the line, "The framework for legislation is already laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us," is nonsense. Unless I missed it when the dems took over the house. I'd give this article about a 1 on the "Believe 'o Meter".

While i agree with your reply. I am troubled by the GOP's willingness to "reconsider" Rice as SOS. The whole Benghazi "cover up" if you will disturbs me. The potential, based on media "leaks" only while not a reliable source of the GOP to allow Rice the nomination shows me they are desperate and willing to concede just about anything to remain credible to the public at large.

[Ronin13]

I've seen this "list" about 100 times now- it's been posted by almost every 2A support page on facebook, and put in all the internet "news" sites (read: interweb tabloids)... I'm with Carl, this rates a 1.0 on my give-a-shit-o'meter, I don't believe it, and with the most aggressive NRA-ILA team in history (support them or not, they've pressured Washington a lot in the last 6 years) I don't think we'll see widescale gun bans. BUT- if we do, I think we're all poised (we being gun owners) to not put up with it and start screaming at our elected officials.

[DavieD55]

No, this is just more tin foil stuff, those two guys would never try to do that.

[Bailey Guns]

While i agree with your reply. I am troubled by the GOP's willingness to "reconsider" Rice as SOS. The whole Benghazi "cover up" if you will disturbs me. The potential, based on media "leaks" only while not a reliable source of the GOP to allow Rice the nomination shows me they are desperate and willing to concede just about anything to remain credible to the public at large.

I would say you may be correct when talking about the senate. The house has nothing to do with a Rice nomination for SoS. Not to mention the dems have enough votes in the senate to pass a gun ban anyway, regardless of how senate republicans vote. I'd say the chances of the house approving some sort of gun ban is pretty close to zero. And those house members have to worry about their jobs every two years...not like a 6-year senator.

[cfortune]

The CNN youtube video referenced in the article is from 09 as well.

[asmo]

*yawn*

[spqrzilla]

Why do people keep passing around this stale ignorant crap from gun rights organizations that are just trying to fundraise? I really wish people would knock it off.

[Ronin13]

Why do people keep passing around this stale ignorant crap from gun rights organizations that are just trying to fundraise? I really wish people would knock it off.
Don't you know? In modern America, fear is a more powerful tool than reason.

[battle_sight_zero]

Why do people keep passing around this stale ignorant crap from gun rights organizations that are just trying to fundraise? I really wish people would knock it off.

I agree with your point. However everyone remember we have a left dominated State Government in place right now. These leftist feel very impowered right now and I believe that these fine folks will implement their so called good intentioned laws. The gun ban will come from the State level if it will come from anywhere. Lots of West coast and East coasters that have moved into this state. Once they get here they soon forget why they left where they left and implement the same crap.

[DavieD55]

I agree with your point. However everyone remember we have a left dominated State Government in place right now. These leftist feel very impowered right now and I believe that these fine folks will implement their so called good intentioned laws. The gun ban will come from the State level if it will come from anywhere. Lots of West coast and East coasters that have moved into this state. Once they get here they soon forget why they left where they left and implement the same crap.

^ This here is a good point.

[HoneyBadger]

Don't you know? In modern America, fear and government handouts are more powerful tools than reason.


FIFY.

[spqrzilla]

I agree with your point. However everyone remember we have a left dominated State Government in place right now. These leftist feel very impowered right now and I believe that these fine folks will implement their so called good intentioned laws. The gun ban will come from the State level if it will come from anywhere. Lots of West coast and East coasters that have moved into this state. Once they get here they soon forget why they left where they left and implement the same crap.
All the more reason not to be passing around bogus nonsense. Do none of these people understand the fable of the boy who cried "wolf!" ?

[DavieD55]

All the more reason not to be passing around bogus nonsense. Do none of these people understand the fable of the boy who cried "wolf!" ?

Whether it is bogus nonsense or not i think we can expect something at the Federal level eventually.

[battle_sight_zero]

Whether it is bogus nonsense or not i think we can expect something at the Federal level eventually.

I believe that on Federal level they are too divided. A right dominated Congress is a good thing right now. The Senate led by Harry is left minded however Harry Reid tends to support the 2nd.

Now our State is a different story. We have the left who have just won major victories all the way around. Our State has had Columbine, Platte Canyon, Southwest mall bombing, the Shirk Temple shooter and the Batman movie shooter. The lefty want to do gooders are chomping at the bit waiting to make their mark in the next legislative session. Gay marriage and education at first will be the prioritys but don't think that those west coast imports forgot about gun control. Look at States like Massachusetts , New York and of course Commiefornia to get an idea about where things will go. Most of these folks also hate conceal carry, I suspect that will be monkied with too. We are in some troubleing times. Personally i am seriously thinking of moving my family to a more conservative state, even while being a 5 th generation Coloradoan. Over the years I can believe how far left this state has gone over the last few years. I really find myself resenting what I see. My values are a major part of me and how I raise my kids. The 2nd ADMENTMANT was and remains a very important way of life for me and my family. To have some outsiders come in and tell what is right and wrong gets my blood boiling. Lefties to me are like its my way or the highway. Sometimes I wish the ski slopes that brought them here were never built. Sad times right now but I am not going to just lay down, if i can't do nothing here there is always someplace else

[battle_sight_zero]

Boy my spelling sucks using this Android phone.......

[spqrzilla]

Whether it is bogus nonsense or not i think we can expect something at the Federal level eventually.Which is no excuse for posting bogus nonsense today.

[Ronin13]

FIFY.
Oh I see what you did there... well played sir! [Beer]

I'm gonna have to go with the logic presented by battle_sight... if anything the anti's do it will be done here well in advance of any federal legislation. This is what scares me, look at the history, and look at the words of that colossal dipshit, Perlmutter- we've had Columbine, the embroiled controversy at CU, the Aurora theater shooting, and countless other black marks towards guns in the liberal's eyes. The gun-grabbing left think we're well overdue for some "reasonable" gun control legislation in this state. I fear that if they do get their way, nothing short of a massive gathering at the capital steps will stop them from pushing it through, ya know, to "preserve precious human life," criminals be damned. [shithitsfan]

[TFOGGER]

http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/forums/customavatars/avatar4_6.gif

[Ah Pook]

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[DavieD55]

I believe that on Federal level they are too divided. A right dominated Congress is a good thing right now. The Senate led by Harry is left minded however Harry Reid tends to support the 2nd.

Now our State is a different story. We have the left who have just won major victories all the way around. Our State has had Columbine, Platte Canyon, Southwest mall bombing, the Shirk Temple shooter and the Batman movie shooter. The lefty want to do gooders are chomping at the bit waiting to make their mark in the next legislative session. Gay marriage and education at first will be the prioritys but don't think that those west coast imports forgot about gun control. Look at States like Massachusetts , New York and of course Commiefornia to get an idea about where things will go. Most of these folks also hate conceal carry, I suspect that will be monkied with too. We are in some troubleing times. Personally i am seriously thinking of moving my family to a more conservative state, even while being a 5 th generation Coloradoan. Over the years I can believe how far left this state has gone over the last few years. I really find myself resenting what I see. My values are a major part of me and how I raise my kids. The 2nd ADMENTMANT was and remains a very important way of life for me and my family. To have some outsiders come in and tell what is right and wrong gets my blood boiling. Lefties to me are like its my way or the highway. Sometimes I wish the ski slopes that brought them here were never built. Sad times right now but I am not going to just lay down, if i can't do nothing here there is always someplace else

I hear ya. I believe our state still has plenty of conservative minded folks. One of the reasons the Dems did so well this last time around was in part because of how the Colorado Supreme Court ruled on redistricting.

[nynco]

While i agree with your reply. I am troubled by the GOP's willingness to "reconsider" Rice as SOS. The whole Benghazi "cover up" if you will disturbs me. The potential, based on media "leaks" only while not a reliable source of the GOP to allow Rice the nomination shows me they are desperate and willing to concede just about anything to remain credible to the public at large.


http://youtu.be/ewNUJ_Ce5O0

[Tor Larson]

Figures, just took the ignore off my choices and look who shows up. Rather sad...nynco is a broken fucking record. How many times does he have to mention he doesn't like FOX news? A quick scan thru all his posts reveals he is obsessed with stating FOX is bad press. Like PMSNBC is unbiased and CNN doesn't have an agenda. Looking at his posts- never a discouraging word towards those Lefty stations. Give it a rest, slick. Maybe move on to something important...like getting a life, buying a second firearm before they go bye bye. Guess who goes back on ignore after only 1 day?

[nynco]

Actually if you watched the video it was a direct comment on what Jim posted.

And Tor, I am not shedding a tear that you are so childish that you need an ignore list in order to deal with people in the world. Its down right predictable by your other words.

[spqrzilla]

Ignore lists work well against trolls.

[Tor Larson]

...and your words are so deep, meaningful, and full of wisdom. The ignore is a convenience so I don't waste time on worthless fucking things.

Never considered you even being able to shed a tear. Liberals have no souls or feelings.

[nynco]

No soul or feelings, but you rightards call them bleeding hearts. Ok[ROFL2]

[palepainter]

[Pop]...................

[sneakerd]

Would someone please pass the paranoia? That's all this is, let's not circulate any more of this nonsense.

Don't talk to the troll either- its a waste of time.

[sniper7]

nynco, what is your purpose here? why do you waste your time? Isn't there some down and out of their luck aids infested homeless people you can help out and give a place to live?

[nynco]

Why would I want to help a down and out aids infested homeless guy if I have no soul or feelings?

And Sneakered hit the nail on the head. This is nothing more than paranoia. The kind that is used by political hacks to get dumb people to send them more money. Its like Dudley on steroids.

[HoneyBadger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKTbFbwrxE

[alxone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7bEP8O-2Qw[Coffee]

[kidicarus13]

A little off topic but when you ad someone to your ignore list what does that accomplish? Can't receive PMs from them? Don't see thier posts?

[alxone]

A little off topic but when you ad someone to your ignore list what does that accomplish? Can't receive PMs from them? Don't see thier posts?is it the honey boo boo [LOL]



i have no idea the answer to your question [Flower]

[Ronin13]

nynco, what is your purpose here? why do you waste your time? Isn't there some down and out of their luck aids infested homeless people you can help out and give a place to live?
[ROFL1] Nicely put!

Seriously, I'm all for differing opinions on here, it makes the discussions more interesting when we don't all have identical views on things, but yes, I have to agree with Sniper, there is a big difference between differing views on issues and then nynco's blatant and- firemoth coined a term, I'm going to modify it for nynco: Dem Licker- "do-no-wrong" view of the left. Nynco, I have to echo this sentiment from sniper, do you have fun trolling with your leftist, anti-FNC, liberally biased rhetoric, knowing full and well that none of us (well, except Rucker) agree and think you're just an idiot?

[sneakerd]

STOP TALKING TO THE TROLL- it's a total waste of time and effort. Talking to him emboldens him, ignoring will diminish him.

[HoneyBadger]

We're not emboldening him, we're beating him down with personal insults. [ROFL1]

[sniper7]

Why would I want to help a down and out aids infested homeless guy if I have no soul or feelings

Maybe you could try it once and see how you like it?

[sneakerd]

He just eats up and gorges himself on the hate. Like a zombie. It gives him strength.

[nynco]

Personal insults is really all you have. Ironically, I just agreed with Sneakered.

[HoneyBadger]

Personal insults is really all you have. Ironically, I just agreed with Sneakered.


Yep, it's really all we have, except for the logic, reason, and strong arguments we've already given you. When you ignore our arguments and act like a child, you see it as an acceptable way to counteract our "extremist" ways. When we do it, you just call us gay. that makes perfect sense!

[pileoshit]

[nynco]

Ah so I guess the facts in the picture I posted are not facts. I don't give a shit for Rice. I take issue with playing politics for no good reason and the sheer hypocrisy of the right wing on this issue. They are playing politics with peoples lives. I am so sick of the GOP uber alles mentality that infects them now. I pray for the day that the right wing returns to some common sense like Eisenhower Republicans use to be. Today we are stuck with people that put party over country as a matter of policy.

[HoneyBadger]

Ah so I guess the facts in the picture I posted are not facts. I don't give a shit for Rice. I take issue with playing politics for no good reason and the sheer hypocrisy of the right wing on this issue. They are playing politics with peoples lives. I am so sick of the GOP uber alles mentality that infects them now. I pray for the day that the right wing returns to some common sense like Eisenhower Republicans use to be. Today we are stuck with people that put party over country as a matter of policy.

There you go again with that "common sense" garbage... Common sense gun laws, for the children! right?

Gimme a break! [facepalm]

[nynco]

Dude, I support the second Amendment just as much as you. In fact enough to buck those who agree with me any many other issues. Don't kick those who are standing with you on that issue on a gun forum.

If you want to see what I am talking about regarding the GOP of Eisenhower vs now, this is a great article to read that goes through and quotes the GOP party platform of 1956 vs today. It shows how far we have been dragged to an extreme. The Dems are to the right of the GOP of 1956.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/republican-democratic-party-platforms-then-now-1956-2012

[HoneyBadger]

So you're saying we should all be more liberal like Eisenhower? Good luck with that...

[ROFL1]

[nynco]

I never thought I would change your minds or the world. But I do hope that conservatives would start to evaluate what is going wrong and learn some history rather than just regurgitating the inane talking points without question. It goes to show how far to the extreme that the mainstream GOP has gone when Eisenhower is considered a liberal. Eisenhower was one of the best presidents of the 20th century. He built things. He used common sense (in my opinion) on many of the key issues facing the nation. He did not sign onto some anti-constitutional - no taxes no matter what - blood oath by the Grover Norquists of his era.

[ANADRILL]

Dude, I support the second Amendment just as much as you. In fact enough to buck those who agree with me any many other issues. Don't kick those who are standing with you on that issue on a gun forum.

If you want to see what I am talking about regarding the GOP of Eisenhower vs now, this is a great article to read that goes through and quotes the GOP party platform of 1956 vs today. It shows how far we have been dragged to an extreme. The Dems are to the right of the GOP of 1956.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/republican-democratic-party-platforms-then-now-1956-2012

Pussy

[ANADRILL]

I never thought I would change your minds or the world. But I do hope that conservatives would start to evaluate what is going wrong and learn some history rather than just regurgitating the inane talking points without question. It goes to show how far to the extreme that the mainstream GOP has gone when Eisenhower is considered a liberal. Eisenhower was one of the best presidents of the 20th century. He built things. He used common sense (in my opinion) on man of the key issues facing the nation. He did not sign onto some anti-constitutional no taxes no matter what blood oath by the Grover Norquists of his era.

Pussy

[nynco]

Keep on going Anadrill you are making my point for me.

[nynco]

Yep, it's really all we have, except for the logic, reason, and strong arguments we've already given you. When you ignore our arguments and act like a child, you see it as an acceptable way to counteract our "extremist" ways. When we do it, you just call us gay. that makes perfect sense!

[pileoshit]

Honeybadger, please read what was posted before. It was another poster calling me gay and who is now stalking me around the board calling me a pussy. I just pointed out to him that he seems to have a fascination for that subject. A fascination that might have to do with the psychological term called "projection". I could give a rats ass if anyone is gay. I also try not to use that issue to call other people names. It rather stale like poo[pileoshit]

[spqrzilla]

... learn some history rather than just regurgitating the inane talking points without question. .... some anti-constitutional - no taxes no matter what - blood oath by the Grover Norquists of his era.

You are utterly oblivious to irony, aren't you? You wrote both above in the same breath. With no clue how completely ridiculous it looked.

[nynco]

Ah so the CATO Institutes plans for a national healthcare fix and Romney Care are both socialist. yeah...

I wish Obama was a socialist. Maybe then we could end the rigged market that we live in today and return to a more balanced market like we had in the past. But Obama won't do that because he was funded by Wallstreet.