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Interesting article about our future in CO.
http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/993882-fired-about-new-gun-control-legislation
Mike
AK47 Ranger
11-30-2012, 17:52
Tin foil hat time.
JC! [pileoshit][blah-blah] That's all I got to say about that!
Pancho Villa
11-30-2012, 18:20
Hey guys, I have a list of guns that Obama is gonna ban by EO next week too.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2012, 18:27
Tinfoil or not, everyone seems to, or wants to forget the Dems hold a majority. Even when they did not, because enough people signed a petition. We ended up wit the now infamous BG checks at gun shows. How many laughed at that one?
The O administration looks at CO as a testing area. CA, well we already know how screwed gun owners are there. If the Dem CO admin with the help of Soros, VPC, Pat Stryker and other like minded anti-gun folks can get any kind or restrictions or new regulations as law here. O will use it to show how "sensible" laws that were passed in a very gun friendly state like CO will be good for the rest of the country.
Zundfolge
11-30-2012, 18:32
“It was on the table, but it’s been removed right now. We’re finding it difficult as it relates to defining what an assault weapon is,” explained Fields.
In other words they want to ban something ... they don't know what ... they don't know why, but by golly they know they wanna ban something.
argonstrom
11-30-2012, 18:39
In other words they want to ban something ... they don't know what ... they don't know why, but by golly they know they wanna ban something.
Unfortunately, that's the truth. They have to feel good about something.
Maybe they could make murder, assault, etc... illegal. Oh, wait...
Here is how I would handle this.
Dear Governor:
I voted for you. But I don't agree with your stance of trying to limit my constitutional right to bear arms. There are many more people who voted for you that think the same. Not all of your constituency thinks that limiting a persons constitutional right to bear arms is a good move on your part. You may think that those people will knee jerk vote for you because they did before. But you might anger them enough to not support you again. That does not mean they will vote for the other guy. But by making me or many others angry, we may not vote for you at all. Which is just as bad for your job in the long run. Not all liberals or Democrats are anti gun and don't assume that we will knee jerk vote for you if you decide to limit our rights rather than defend them.
Have a nice day
Now do you guys see why having liberal gun owners is a good thing? Who do you think he is going to listen to. Someone who would never vote for him or someone that would and did. Remember gun rights is bigger than your disdain for one side. Don't hate those who stand with you on some subjects because they don't see eye to eye on all of them.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2012, 18:45
Here is how I would handle this.
Dear Governor:
I voted for you. But I don't agree with your stance of trying to limit my constitutional right to bear arms. There are many more people who voted for you that think the same. Not all of your constituency thinks that limiting a persons constitutional right to bear arms is a good move on your part. You may think that those people will knee jerk vote for you because they did before. But you might anger them enough to not support you again. That does not mean they will vote for the other guy. But by making me or many others angry, we may not vote for you at all. Which is just as bad for your job in the long run. Not all liberals or Democrats are anti gun and don't assume that we will knee jerk vote for you if you decide to limit our rights rather than defend them.
Have a nice day
Now do you guys see why having liberal gun owners is a good thing? Who do you think he is going to listen to. Someone who would never vote for him or someone that would and did. Remember gun rights is bigger than your disdain for one side. Don't hate those who stand with you on some subjects because they don't see eye to eye on all of them.
Hell froze over I concur with nynco. Got to get off these oxy's:)
sabot_round
11-30-2012, 18:51
Well, did you send it NYNCO?
palepainter
11-30-2012, 19:05
Thank you Nynco, for moment rational thinking and response. I know you get your balls busted around here at times, but I want to give credit where it is due. If Jim is oxy free, it is a sign of something positive.
Well, did you send it NYNCO?
I will send that if you like. I want to clean it up and make it better. That was a first attempt and one where I can see my own grammar mistakes. I tend not to see them right away. So I will work on it and post a final draft later before I send it off. Feel free to help me word it better.
sabot_round
11-30-2012, 19:18
I will send that if you like. I want to clean it up and make it better. That was a first attempt and one where I can see my own grammar mistakes. I tend not to see them right away. So I will work on it and post a final draft later before I send it off. Feel free to help me word it better.
Please do so before they take our freedom!!
Alright I will work on a better draft this weekend and post it later. I will let you guys read it and then send it off.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 19:29
That's what you get for voting for a democrat in the first place. Now that you've voted for him you have to plead with him and the other democrats in the legislature not to restrict your liberties. If you vote democrat, you're not a friend to gun owners. Regardless of how many guns you own.
Again, it's a FAIL for nynco. Some of us can see through your spin.
Blah blah blah Bailey you are as predictable as a skipping CD. The more people you get like me who vote for the other side, the less likely those people will try to take your 2nd amend rights away. The current system where the NRA has been ONLY supporting GOP candidates has basically told the Dems that no one from the gun community will vote for them anyways. So why should they care about gun owners.
But I expect you to say exactly what you said Bailey because you think that small.
Have a nice night
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 19:43
No, I can just see you for what you are. And I really don't like it. Typical liberal trying to hide his true colors.
You obviously don't know anything about the NRA, either. They endorsed 14 democrats in 2010, and I think in 2012 they endorsed over 50 democrats. I don't agree with them on this. The reason is because, regardless of where an individual democrat stands on the gun issue, the democrat caucus, which has ways of making members tow the line, is anti-gun.
They endorsed 14 democrat's well lawd have mercy. That might be .00001% wow
You need to see someone about your paranoia issues regarding liberals.
sabot_round
11-30-2012, 19:49
[Pop]
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 19:52
I don't have paranoia issues with liberals. I'm not afraid of any liberal. I'm disgusted by what they've done to a once great society and country and what they plan to do to it in the future. Paranoid? No.
Dude you pee your pants all over this forum and thump your chest that you are the "liberal slayer".
spqrzilla
11-30-2012, 19:59
The current system where the NRA has been ONLY supporting GOP candidates has basically told the Dems that no one from the gun community will vote for them anyways. So why should they care about gun owners.
Yet another false statement by nynco. I can't think of a time when I've seen nynco write a factually correct statement.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 20:00
I get tired of people like you attempting to rationalize why it's OK to be liberal because you own a gun. Or because you're a vet. That doesn't buy you credibility.
You're obviously free, at the site owner's/staff's discretion, to voice your opinions. You're not entitled to be free from criticism from other members for voicing those opinions.
Good job Bailey your mental tick shit up another thread. Ooooo the world knows once again that you peed your pants screaming about liberals. Happens this time that you shot your foot (I bet that happens a lot) because this liberal is on your side.
People with your mental attitude are the problem with many things in this nation and at many other points in history. Goose step it Bailey
spqrzilla
11-30-2012, 20:06
What shits up a thread, nynco, is posting objectively false statements. As you've done often.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 20:07
I've got news for you. I don't want you on my side. I wouldn't trust you on my side.
Good for you. I would not want a psycho like you near me.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 20:10
OK...we finally agree on something.
You are the next Anders Breivik. You have already said you would kill liberals if you had the chance. Get help before you harm someone.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 20:14
Your stupidity knows no bounds, does it?
spqrzilla
11-30-2012, 20:15
You are the next Anders Breivik. You have already said you would kill liberals if you had the chance. Get help before you harm someone.
Libel shits up a thread too, nynco.
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Tinelement
11-30-2012, 20:15
Here we go again.
Why is every effing thread I click on lately a pissing contest???
[pick-me]
I know! I know!
nynco posted.
It's getting old.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 20:19
To the rest of you guys, I apologize.
[MOD] Deleted... Seriously, about had enough from a few of you.
spqrzilla
11-30-2012, 20:21
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Yeah because I am dreaming of killing conservatives NO I AM NOT... false equivalency.
theGinsue
11-30-2012, 20:47
Tin foil hat time.
Tinfoil or not, everyone seems to, or wants to forget the Dems hold a majority. Even when they did not, because enough people signed a petition. We ended up wit the now infamous BG checks at gun shows. How many laughed at that one?
The O administration looks at CO as a testing area. CA, well we already know how screwed gun owners are there. If the Dem CO admin with the help of Soros, VPC, Pat Stryker and other like minded anti-gun folks can get any kind or restrictions or new regulations as law here. O will use it to show how "sensible" laws that were passed in a very gun friendly state like CO will be good for the rest of the country.
I don't believe this one is a tin-foil issue at all, I believe it's a real and pending threat.
Let's face it, the reality is the bulk of Democrat legislators are anti-gun. They own the governorship and both Houses of our state Congress. The anti's, regardless of party (there are Republican anti's too), feel emboldened after the last election. They know that NOW is their time to act, and act they will.
We have little hope of using facts and logic to appeal to them and little chance of appealing to their sense of self-preservation. Write your letters and make your phone calls because that's the only chance we have. By the next election, the great state of CO will look a lot more like CA than most of us ever wanted.
stevelkinevil
11-30-2012, 21:02
I don't believe this one is a tin-foil issue at all, I believe it's a real and pending threat.
Let's face it, the reality is the bulk of Democrat legislators are anti-gun. They own the governorship and both Houses of our state Congress. The anti's, regardless of party (there are Republican anti's too), feel emboldened after the last election. They know that NOW is their time to act, and act they will.
We have little hope of using facts and logic to appeal to them and little chance of appealing to their sense of self-preservation. Write your letters and make your phone calls because that's the only chance we have. By the next election, the great state of CO will look a lot more like CA than most of us ever wanted.
well said, I think some folks are just burying their heads in the sand because its so scary to think about. This is nothing new, the "they couldn't (or wouldn't) do that" mindset is how we got where we are now.
So here is what needs to happen. You guys need to get liberals to become shooters. This crap about all liberals are evil is counter productive. I know I personally would want to be no where near people like Bailey for a legitimate fear reasons. All of you need to become good ambassadors to people who know nothing about guns. Colorado just voted to legalize pot. This place is going to become bluer than blue - hippier than boulder is now - in the next decade if we are the only state. So better figure out how to win more of those people (people like me) to your side. Don't make gun issues into a partisan issue. Win over more people like me and the gun grabbers will stop.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2012, 22:07
well said, I think some folks are just burying their heads in the sand because its so scary to think about. This is nothing new, the "they couldn't (or wouldn't) do that" mindset is how we got where we are now.
Not so much burying their heads, perhaps to young or not born yet, to realize Gun Control no matter how small it appears on the surface, is a festering wound about to spread.
Today be it state of CO, or federal, the dems hold the cards.
10mm-man
11-30-2012, 22:30
Not so much burying their heads, perhaps to young or not born yet, to realize Gun Control no matter how small it appears on the surface, is a festering wound about to spread.
Today be it state of CO, or federal, the dems hold the cards.
And shall we ask; when they held those cards what was the end result? We all know!
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2012, 22:37
And shall we ask; when they held those cards what was the end result? We all know!
http://nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=80
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=1994_violent_crime_control_and_l aw_enforcement_act_1
How many seats will the dems hold in the senate come 2013?
On August 25, the Senate thwarted efforts by Republicans to reopen debate on the bill, and the bill passed on a final vote of 61-38
How many seats in the House come 2013?
A separate House vote in May approved the ban on the sale of assault weapons by a narrow 216-214 vote,
Tin Foil highly doubt it.
Bailey Guns
11-30-2012, 22:40
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palepainter
11-30-2012, 22:53
[LOL]
This simultaneously scares the hell out of me and p**ses me the hell off! I never thought I'd see this occur in My State. This is serious.
In reference to the little tiff we had going on here. Both nynco and Bailey are right. We do need to get more libs into shooting and into believing in the 2A, fully. But Bailey is also right in that Dems are anti-gun as a group and even if you vote for a pro-2A Dem, when push comes to shove, they will get steamrolled by their party. Look what happened with Obamacare, the blue-dog Dems were supposed to hold the line, but they were bribed or coerced into voting for it. Voting for any Dem empowers Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, McCarthy et al. Which is why I will NEVER vote for a Dem again. They are anti-liberty authoritarian statists.
I'm sure this will stir up another shit storm but fuck it.....
What is this really going to change, are you people actually going to turn your firearms in? Unfortunately I went boating last weekend and all of mine fell into the lake.
I like this picture:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535980_448648945173253_139161954_n.jpg
Our Country has been taken over by Libitards, Career politicians of all parties, Takers, Welfare babies, Gun grabbers, Illegals...... they are the majority.
All of this is going to pass, and there is nothing we can do to stop it, this is what the majority wants. It is not the American way, we have been infiltrated from the inside and we are well on our way to Communism.
Them making it "illegal" has no effect on me. The Constitution and my Bill of Rights is the law of the land. I took an oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, I take this very seriously. The sooner we understand this plane is going down and stop trying to fight it.... and rather embrace it, and plan... the better off you will be.
We have a deadline for preparedness.... and that is 2014. There is no excuse to not be ready for what is to come.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, and I won't be caught with my pants down.
If a few of you in this thread, not naming names, can not maintain a civil discussion,(anywhere on the board I may add.) I shall be polishing up the ban hammer. Right now, it's good for two weeks.
All of this bickering and vitriol gets us nowhere. Introducing people to shooting in a welcoming and positive way is the best way we have to keep guns in a good light. It should be reasonable, safe and positive, something like "Oh, you've never shot a gun before? Would you like to try sometime? Okay, cool, let's see what day works best for the range. By the way, let's go over the rules of firearm safety real quick. . ." rather than "Oh, you voted for X? GIT OUTTA MY FACE/SHOP/OUTHOUSE/BED!" I am not suggesting any kind of compromise regarding gun laws, but rather to show them in a better light than gory news headlines and Hollywood movies portray them as.
Arguing on the internet won't have any impact on the workings of the state legislature, since I doubt any of them are on this site. I went ahead and emailed the following to my state senators and representatives. I suggest you all do the same and write them.
I am one of your constituents, and am writing in response to this article, regarding potential gun control legislation in Colorado: http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/993882-fired-about-new-gun-control-legislation
I would like to make absolutely clear that I strongly oppose any gun control legislation. It not only imposes upon my Second Amendment right, but also on my ability to protect myself and my loved ones.
A ban on so-called 'assault weapons' is nothing more than feel-good, knee-jerk legislation. These weapons are one of the least-used weapons in crime. Your average citizen stands a higher chance of being struck by lightning than being in a violent encounter with someone with an 'assault weapon.' There are many people who own these sorts of weapons for hunting, target shooting, competition, and self-defense. It does not stand to curtail the rights and freedoms of everyone just because of this.
The same applies to a ban on so-called 'high capacity' magazines. They are very seldom used in crime. That a handful of tragic incidents make national headline news is not an indicator that they are at all a threat to the American way of life. They have many applications, the most prominent of which for me is self defense. I do not want to be forced to have a weapon with a limited-capacity magazine if the lives of my loved ones are at stake. Those extra rounds could very easily mean the difference between life and death.
Regarding the application of mental health to gun laws, this is a very sticky issue. Mental illnesses exist on a very broad spectrum, ranging from basic depression all the way up to more severe conditions like sociopathy. Furthermore, mental illness can be treated, and is on a daily basis. Making laws to restrict those with mental health issues from firearm ownership would have severe drawbacks. First, it would put pressure on mental health professionals to place patients on a 'do not arm' list, just to cover themselves and avoid potential liability later. The vast, overwhelming majority of people with diagnosed mental illnesses never go on to shoot anyone, but some mental health professionals (especially those who are opposed to guns anyway) would be inclined to put most patients onto such a list. Second, it would further stigmatize mental health issues. It would put more pressure on the mentally ill to avoid treatment, for fear of being put on a 'do not arm' list.
There are already laws in place, such as the Lautenberg amendment, that keep guns out of the hands of those with known domestic violence issues. Criminal background checks are already required for firearm purchases. Current laws work, they just need to be enforced.
In closing, I urge you to oppose any new legislation on gun control in Colorado. It will do nothing good for our great state.
Respectfully,
[The Rat]
BPTactical
12-01-2012, 07:10
Good write Rat.
Or is that a writ from a Rat?
Mind if I copy and cut & paste?
As far as the mudslinging-even though we may have opposing views on something we all need to be cohesive on this subject.
A house divided, a house falls.
Here is how I would handle this.
Dear Governor:
I voted for you. But I don't agree with your stance of trying to limit my constitutional right to bear arms. There are many more people who voted for you that think the same. Not all of your constituency thinks that limiting a persons constitutional right to bear arms is a good move on your part. You may think that those people will knee jerk vote for you because they did before. But you might anger them enough to not support you again. That does not mean they will vote for the other guy. But by making me or many others angry, we may not vote for you at all. Which is just as bad for your job in the long run. Not all liberals or Democrats are anti gun and don't assume that we will knee jerk vote for you if you decide to limit our rights rather than defend them.
Have a nice day
Now do you guys see why having liberal gun owners is a good thing? Who do you think he is going to listen to. Someone who would never vote for him or someone that would and did. Remember gun rights is bigger than your disdain for one side. Don't hate those who stand with you on some subjects because they don't see eye to eye on all of them.
Is this what you "would" do or are going to do. Big difference between talking about it and doing it.
Id much rather have a pro gun majority in every branch all yelling the anti-gun people to fuck themselves then a democrat worrying about his job over stripping my constitutional rights for some over reaching cock suckers.....but that's just me.
Good write Rat.
Or is that a writ from a Rat?
Mind if I copy and cut & paste?
Go ahead man.
DavieD55
12-01-2012, 11:10
That's what you get for voting for a democrat in the first place. Now that you've voted for him you have to plead with him and the other democrats in the legislature not to restrict your liberties. If you vote democrat, you're not a friend to gun owners. Regardless of how many guns you own.
Exactly.
Rat great reply and I think that the more we do what you are talking about, the better it will be for all of us. As to never voting for Dems, well that makes gun ownership a partisan issue. However if it becomes a non partisan issue then one party will have no interest in pandering to their partisan base. Gun ownership is bigger than just one party. Sooner people figure that out and try to get everyone to be OK with gun ownership like how Rat layed out, the better off we all will be.
Sniper, I will rewrite that and send it off. I just want to word it better. As I said before -Feel free to add suggestions or critique it. The more that politicians see that people who would actually vote for them complaining the better. If a person takes the stance that they will NEVER voter for a Dem or a Liberal even if hell freezes over means that politician has not reason to care about your complaint. He has nothing to lose anyways.
Remember the more people that stop seeing the AR15 as an evil black instrument of death, the better off we all will be.
Amendment 64 just passed, what do you think that will mean?
Aloha_Shooter
12-01-2012, 11:36
For what it's worth, the NRA supports some Democrats because they want to show they really are a single-issue organization rather than a partisan one. I'm happy to introduce liberals to shooting and get them to understand it's not voodoo. The more Real Knowledge we can get in the Know-Nothing party, the better. We need people inside that party to argue with Feinstein's and Schumer's crap from within. If we can keep the debate and fight inside their party then the rest of us can fight the other parts of the idiotic liberal agenda outside.
I have very little hope of reason returning to the Democrat Party any time soon -- what's left there now would throw out Harry Truman and JFK as being too conservative -- but I'd rather fight with them on the fiscal issues and let them fight internally on social stuff like gun rights and the freedom of association/to practice religion than have to fight a five front war (and that's what we've got now: spending fight, taxing fight, free speech fight, homosexual marriage fight, gun rights fight).
Bailey Guns
12-01-2012, 16:47
I would rather see one liberal become a conservative than see 100 liberals become gun owners.
10mm-man
12-01-2012, 19:07
I would rather see one liberal become a conservative than see 100 liberals become gun owners.
^^^^ I have to agree! [Beer]
I'll just say this- in the recent bout, nynco VS. Carl (Aka Bailey Guns), the judges have ruled it a win by knockout for Bailey! Pretty much any liberal that is Pro-2A is a socially and perhaps economically liberal person, but in terms of constitutionally, we have to see how they address a similar topic of debate: infringement of the 1st Amendment. I seriously have to ask nynco: do you believe that the 1st is pretty much as is, no changes or "reasonable limitations" needed on it? Kind of how, I hope, you see the 2nd? Which begs me to ask, do you believe any "reasonable legislation" should be allowed with 1A? Or do you think that we can go ahead and limit free speech to "non-offensive" speech? Furthermore, do you think that, outside of what we all see as good- like violent felons being restricted from gun ownership, age limits, and some form of background check- the 2nd should never be messed with? I'm just curious as to your stance so I can better define to what degree of liberal you are. In my experience, any pro-2A liberal is kind of an oxymoron, considering it's pretty much clearly defined that the left opposes guns, and the right supports the right to keep and bear arms.
iquack08
12-04-2012, 18:15
My 2c. If high-capacity magazines are banned, such a law would be unenforceable. The govt. can't just take private property w/o compensation, and in this case, it's unlikely the govt. would want to pay for them. So that restriction would most likely be grandfathered in.
Then, how would the govt. prove in a court of law that the magazine is not a pre-ban one. No idea. It's unenforceable, but it would still be a hassle for gunowners to deal with it.
Couldn't CO just require magazine manufacturers to stamp a date on it? That would most likely violate the dormant commerce clause. The federal govt. can require it though.
iquack08
12-04-2012, 18:18
As somebody who has worked in the CO legislature, it's my opinion that some gun control measures will pass this session...
Also, I hate arguing politics online, but I would like to mention that some gun-friendly Democrats play an important role in preventing onerous gun legislation from being passed. e.g. Harry Reid.
Assuming Republicans in the Colorado House of Representatives are generally pro-gun. I looked at the NRA ratings for Democrats from the past election and a few were marked as pro-gun or relatively pro-gun. There are several with no NRA rating and but they, also, do not have an endorsement from the dipshits at Colorado Ceasefire. So as it stands it is going to be close -- but it does not look good.
My 2c. If high-capacity magazines are banned, such a law would be unenforceable. The govt. can't just take private property w/o compensation, and in this case, it's unlikely the govt. would want to pay for them. So that restriction would most likely be grandfathered in.
Then, how would the govt. prove in a court of law that the magazine is not a pre-ban one. No idea. It's unenforceable, but it would still be a hassle for gunowners to deal with it.
Couldn't CO just require magazine manufacturers to stamp a date on it? That would most likely violate the dormant commerce clause. The federal govt. can require it though.
How many folks will ship anything to CA? That plus heavy fines for a shop selling will put a good limit on them. Yeah you can drive to another state, but just like the hour+ instant background check it is another hurdle.
I'm not too worried at this point, except for the newly gained CC on campus... that is probably endangered.
Zundfolge
12-04-2012, 19:21
We are constantly barraged with FUD on gun forums along the lines of "OMG NEW GUN CONTROL ON TEH WAY!!! ARRRGGGG!"
I submit that any further threads started on "TEH COMING GUN GRABBIN'!" be locked if they do not contain actual bill numbers (so for federal that would be HR#### for US House or SB#### US Senate. State bills would start 1001 for house bills or 13-01 for senate bills introduced in 2013).
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