Chalk one up for the Good Guys (Craigslist gone bad)

[patrick0685]

I love the comments at the bottom!!!

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Craigslist-meeting-turns-fatal-in-Lake-Mary/-/1637132/17705918/-/jywgyf/-/index.html


LAKE MARY, Fla.
-An armed robbery and shootout left one man dead and another arrested in the hospital after Seminole County sheriff's deputies say a Craigslist deal went bad.
Deputies are investigating the incident, which occurred about 3:30 p.m. Saturday near the intersection of Greenwood Boulevard and Lake Way Road.
According to deputies, both parties had agreed to meet in the parking lot of the Pebble Creek Apartments to discuss the sale of an ATV. During the meeting, the buyers entered the back of the sellers' vehicle and held guns to their heads demanding property, deputies said. Then, one of the victims took out his own gun and started shooting at the potential buyers, according to Seminole County deputies. (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Police-Man-shoots-at-Clermont-officer-over-cigarette/-/1637132/17736956/-/d5tnno/-/index.html)
The suspects attempted to flee in their vehicle, but the driver lost control of the vehicle a few feet away, deputies said. The driver died from the gunshot wound and was pronounced dead at the scene.
The second suspect, who was also shot, fled on foot.
A short time later, deputies located the second suspect in the Canterbury Crossing subdivision where he was hiding underneath a duplex, deputies said. He was removed and taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center with multiple gunshot wounds.
Neither robbery victim was injured during the altercation.
Officials said no charges will be filed against the victims.
No names are being released at this time.

[bigmyk2k]

"Officials said no charges will be filed against the victims"

And a +1 for appropriately labeling those involved.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Forward this to Costas.

[Inconel710]

Thanks. I posted this on my Facebook to remind people that guns are used for self-defense far more often than for shooting up malls or movie theaters.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

I never really thought about a deal giong that bad. Just have to show up to every deal packing.

[patrick0685]

I never really thought about a deal giong that bad. Just have to show up to every deal packing.

yea thats pretty scary

[dwalker460]

A friend of mine had his car stolen a couple years ago by a couple guys who responded to his CL ad. They came over and did the test drive, and when they got back to the parking lot the guy driving pulled a gun, told Tommy to get out and drove off with the car while his buddy followed in the car they drove over. AFAIK they never found the car.

[dwalker460]

Forward this to Costas.

Which Costas? Pinero?

[BigDee]

I love the comments at the bottom!!!

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Craigslist-meeting-turns-fatal-in-Lake-Mary/-/1637132/17705918/-/jywgyf/-/index.html

I always meet up in public places and always have a firearm with me when I do Craigslist deals for this very reason. I flip cars from time to time via Craigslist and showing up to look at something you intend to pay a couple thousand for in cash puts you in a very vulnerable position when the other party knows you will have that much cash on you.

[bigmyk2k]

Which Costas? Pinero?

I'm guessing Bob.

[rondog]

I never really thought about a deal giong that bad. Just have to show up to every deal packing.

Packing is good, but useless if you're not prepared to deploy your weapon into action instantly. Like my wife told me about a lady friend of hers that "answers the door with a pistol in her pocket". Well? What kind of gun? Is it loaded? Cocked and locked or empty chamber? How quick can she get it out and into action?

I bought some brass from a feller once in a parking lot meet, and I just happened to notice there was another guy in a pickup nearby, backed in where he could watch us both, and he was. The seller was a LEO, and he obviously came prepared with a buddy for backup. Made me feel good, actually.

But Craigslist has become a real feeding ground for scum, you've gotta be real careful. NEVER have someone come to your house, unless you know them or meet them first, or you have a buddy riding shotgun just out of sight.

[Teufelhund]

"Officials said no charges will be filed against the victims"

And a +1 for appropriately labeling those involved.

It was definitely refreshing to hear it reported that way by a news outlet. I'm not sure "victims" was the right term though; their ability and willingness to protect themselves is exactly what kept them from becoming victims.

[dwalker460]

This brings up an interesting point.When I carry, I personally carry cocked and locked at all times. Some have chided me about this with the arguement that if I need the weapon I should have time to rack the slide and "besides its just safer". Safer for whom? Not me, because in the two occasions where I felt the need to draw my weapon I doubt that had things escalated further I would have had any time to charge the weapon. Not safer for my immediate family and friends, who KNOW that if its in my house, its likely loaded. My Grandad taught me that you treat every gun as loaded until you check to see if it is or not. And if its not loaded you better go load it otherwise what good is it.
The only time I tend to even think about awhether or not I have a gun is when I am going into a government building or to the airport, otherwise I tend to forget its there, like my keys, my wallet, my knife, etc.
Admittedly a Tennessee hilljack POV, but I am not much more than a Tennessee Hilljack with a cute wife and a nice watch.

[Sharpienads]

"Officials said no charges will be filed against the victims"

And a +1 for appropriately labeling those involved.

This caught my attention as well. But, as mentioned, maybe it should say "no charges will be filed against the would-be victims"

[KevDen2005]

It was definitely refreshing to hear it reported that way by a news outlet. I'm not sure "victims" was the right term though; their ability and willingness to protect themselves is exactly what kept them from becoming victims.

Sure they are, just well prepared people that are ready if something happens. They are victim's of one crime and stopped the possibilty of becoming victims in other crimes.

[Teufelhund]

Sure they are, just well prepared people that are ready if something happens. They are victim's of one crime and stopped the possibilty of becoming victims in other crimes.

Good point. Out of curiosity, what crime would they be considered to have been a victim of? Assault with a deadly weapon or something along those lines?

[bigmyk2k]

Good point. Out of curiosity, what crime would they be considered to have been a victim of? Assault with a deadly weapon or something along those lines?

It's a guess, but I'd go with Attempted Robbery, and Aggravated Assault.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault

[Teufelhund]

It's a guess, but I'd go with Attempted Robbery, and Aggravated Assault.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault

Seems reasonable to me. Thanks for the link.

From that site: An aggravated assault, punishable in all states as a felony, is committed when a defendant intends to do more than merely frighten the victim. Common types of aggravated assaults are those accompanied by an intent to kill, rob, or rape. An assault with a dangerous weapon is aggravated if there is an intent to cause serious harm. Pointing an unloaded gun at a victim to frighten the individual is not considered an aggravated assault.

How does one prove an intangible concept such as intent in a court room? Doesn't this kind of thing have to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt in order to be convicted? Again, just curious.

[Ronin13]

Good point. Out of curiosity, what crime would they be considered to have been a victim of? Assault with a deadly weapon or something along those lines?
I'd say attempted robbery.

[sellersm]

This is the very thing that I refer to, often, with my family. We've done many, many CL deals, and so far they've all been good, but it only takes 1 to really ruin your day. There is no end to the lowness and 'cleverness' of the bad guys.

[KevDen2005]

Thus far I'm thinking of attempted robbery (if it were Colorado). Not sure on Florida Law. I am sure we could squeeze a couple more laws out onto them, but I would really have to get more info about the case or reread the article, which I am probably not going to do either. Because I am lazy.

[wreave]

The comments got especially hilarious when one guy opined that the victim probably was using a 9mm and that's why they were able to run away. He recommended at least a 40, and it turned it a holy war fast.

[Adawg38]

Nice! +1 GG's -1 BG's [word]

[brutal]

This brings up an interesting point.When I carry, I personally carry cocked and locked at all times. Some have chided me about this with the arguement that if I need the weapon I should have time to rack the slide and "besides its just safer". Safer for whom? Not me, because in the two occasions where I felt the need to draw my weapon I doubt that had things escalated further I would have had any time to charge the weapon. Not safer for my immediate family and friends, who KNOW that if its in my house, its likely loaded. My Grandad taught me that you treat every gun as loaded until you check to see if it is or not. And if its not loaded you better go load it otherwise what good is it.
The only time I tend to even think about awhether or not I have a gun is when I am going into a government building or to the airport, otherwise I tend to forget its there, like my keys, my wallet, my knife, etc.
Admittedly a Tennessee hilljack POV, but I am not much more than a Tennessee Hilljack with a cute wife and a nice watch.

Whoever derides you for (properly) carrying condition one and assumes there is time to ready a weapon under duress is foolish and naive.

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[68Charger]

Whoever derides you for (properly) carrying condition one and assumes there is time to ready a weapon under duress is foolish and naive.

+1 I derided somebody for insisting they would never carry condition one... He had snap caps, Told him to load the pistol with them, and If he could legitimately get it to trigger accidentally I'd admit it was unsafe for him.