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You knew it was coming...
DENVER (AP) - Five months after a movie theater massacre in suburban Denver shocked the nation, Colorado's Gov. John Hickenlooper now says "the time is right" for state lawmakers to consider gun control measures.
The Democratic governor has until now resisted calls to review state gun laws after the shootings in Aurora. Hickenlooper upset some in his party when he said last summer that stricter laws would not have prevented the massacre.
In an interview with The Associated Press Wednesday, Hickenlooper said enough time has passed since the tragedy and that the legislative session in January would be an appropriate time to take up a debate gun control measures.
Former neuroscience student James Holmes is charged with killing 12 people and wounding 70 in the July movie shootings.
PugnacAutMortem
12-13-2012, 11:46
You knew it was coming...
DENVER (AP) - Five months after a movie theater massacre in suburban Denver shocked the nation, Colorado's Gov. John Hickenlooper now says "the time is right" for state lawmakers to consider gun control measures.
The Democratic governor has until now resisted calls to review state gun laws after the shootings in Aurora. Hickenlooper upset some in his party when he said last summer that stricter laws would not have prevented the massacre.
In an interview with The Associated Press Wednesday, Hickenlooper said enough time has passed since the tragedy and that the legislative session in January would be an appropriate time to take up a debate gun control measures.
Former neuroscience student James Holmes is charged with killing 12 people and wounding 70 in the July movie shootings.
[Shock]
AWB anyone? No no no...I've got it...CCW ban AND AWB. That's more Hick's style.
Zundfolge
12-13-2012, 11:47
Bring it Hick ... you'll turn Colorado back in to a deep red state faster than you can cash those checks from Rebecca Peters.
[Shock]
AWB anyone? No no no...I've got it...CCW ban AND AWB ban. That's more Hick's style.
Either one happens, you know CO is on the way to becoming CA... No more of my taxes going to these hacks, I'll be moving the moment one shoe drops. Honestly, I used to tolerate liberals, now I actually do dislike them.
dwalker460
12-13-2012, 12:05
Dang it, I just remembered why I am going to open a satellite shop in Florida, Colorado is the new Left Coast
Bailey Guns
12-13-2012, 12:08
Don't worry. Whatever the gun control plan du jour is, I'm sure it will be "reasonable" and oozing with "common sense" and "safety" measures.
Fucking democrats. Why are they so stupid?
To any of you on this site that voted for any democrat, please remind me to kick you squarely in the nuts, hard enough that you can no longer pro-create, the next time I see you.
dwalker460
12-13-2012, 12:10
To any of you on this site that voted for any democrat, please remind me to kick you squarely in the nuts, hard enough that you can no longer pro-create, the next time I see you.
Finally a reasonable solution to the Liberal/Democrat problem. I have long maintained the problem with modern society is stupid people are allowed to breed.
and it starts....
fuck you hickenlooper.
wyoming is looking good!
patrick0685
12-13-2012, 12:16
sad day, i was hoping to move back one of these years
PugnacAutMortem
12-13-2012, 12:17
sad day, i was hoping to move back one of these years
2015 will be a good year to move back...the 2014 elections should swing the balance of power way away from the libtards.
palepainter
12-13-2012, 12:30
Let us just see how much of a debate there is... They do say debate. So, let us have an straight forward debate about the constitutionality of more gun control than we have already.
Oooh, what if we gun owners marched on the capital... hey, it works for the occuturds and libtards...
Bailey Guns
12-13-2012, 12:48
Oooh, what if we gun owners marched on the capital...
I suspect that day is coming...though not like you meant. I hope I'm gone by then.
BPTactical
12-13-2012, 12:54
Well, at least Hick just mapped out the end to his political career.
Scathing yet respectful letter to the Gov and all reps forthcoming..........
dwalker460
12-13-2012, 12:57
The other issue this country faces is that politicians are no longer afraid of the public. Between their security and the police etc. at their beck and call, they no longer have any understanding of their actions beyond not being re-elected.
patrick0685
12-13-2012, 12:58
2015 will be a good year to move back...the 2014 elections should swing the balance of power way away from the libtards.
well if you guys can make that happen that would be awesome, i prob wont be moving again till 2018 ish
The "debate" will be easy. All measures will not include grandfathering. The "compromise" will be to allow grandfathering.
This something the 'pubs never learn. The rare times they propose pro-gun measures, they ask for what they want and get less, rather than asking for more and then appearing "reasonable" when they compromise and end up getting what they want.
O2
Article and link from 7news
Colorado governor John Hickenlooper says it's time to talk gun control
Comments come 5 months after theater shooting
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Posted: 12/13/2012
Last Updated: 45 minutes ago
DENVER - Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper said "the time is right" for state lawmakers to consider gun control measures, offering his firmest stance on the issue nearly five months after the Aurora movie theater massacre shocked the nation.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Hickenlooper said enough time has passed since the tragedy and that the legislative session in January would be an appropriate time to take up a debate gun control measures.
“I wanted to have at least a couple of months off after the shooting in Aurora to let people process and grieve and get a little space, but ... I think now is the time,” Hickenlooper said.
He said the upcoming session “would be the right place to look at some of these things like, do we all need assault weapons,” which he said are “designed for warfare, it's designed to pierce bulletproof vests and body armor.”
Former CU neuroscience student James Holmes is charged with killing 12 people and wounding dozens of others in the July movie shootings. He was armed with a shotgun, a semiautomatic rifle, and two pistols.
Hickenlooper did not call for specific legislation, but did give a strong indication of what kind of debates and proposals he'd like to see.
“When you look at what happened in Aurora, a great deal of that damage was from the large magazine on the AR-15 (rifle). I think we need to have that discussion and say, 'Where is this appropriate?'”
He said many guns exist now and that there's no “immediate solution” for stopping gun violence. But he quoted Tom Mauser, the father of one of the students killed in the Columbine High School, saying, “If you don't start now, you're not going to get anywhere.”
As mayor of Denver, Hickenlooper was a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns/), a national group led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The mayors group says its supports the right to own guns, but advocates enforcing laws to prevent criminals for illegally obtaining guns and the deadly violence this fuels.
Thirteen current Colorado mayors (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/members/members.shtml#CA) belong to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, including Denver Mayor Michael Hancock and Lakewood Mayor Bob Murphy.
One of the nation's most popular governors, Hickenlooper also tried to put to rest talk about a potential presidential run in 2016.
Hickenlooper said he and his cabinet decided a couple of weeks ago that they wanted to focus on improving health care and education in the state in the next three years.
“What I'm saying is, we're not going to spend any time on it, which essentially makes it impossible,” he said.
Hickenlooper also said he believes he's too moderate to survive a Democratic primary.
“I mean if you really think about it, realistically, I am so moderate I would be a difficult candidate to imagine succeeding anywhere,” he said.
Hickenlooper has long prided himself on being a moderate who tries to forge compromises between Republicans and Democrats.
But the upcoming session could pose challenges to Hickenlooper with Democrats controlling both chambers of the Legislature, unlike the previous two years of split legislative control.
Now legislation that Republicans heavily oppose can actually get to Hickenlooper's desk, forcing him to make difficult stances.
Gun control could be at the top of the list.
“I don't think it's appropriate to try to capitalize on tragedies to further some political agenda,” said Colorado Springs Republican Rep. Mark Waller, the GOP's incoming House leader.
Waller said he agrees with what Hickenlooper said initially after the Aurora shootings that further restrictions on guns would not have prevented what happened.
Boulder Democratic Rep. Claire Levy said she doesn't like to legislate in response to specific events, but she applauded Hickenlooper for his comments.
“I applaud him for being willing to have a conversation that could be contentious and invokes a lot of strong emotions on people on both sides,” said Levy, who is considering legislation to prohibit public colleges from allowing concealed-carry guns on campuses.
She said the Aurora shooting also illustrates problems with mental health treatment, not just access to guns. The Aurora shooter had seen a psychiatrist before the shootings.
Waller said his party would be open to looking at restricting access to guns to people with mental illnesses, but added that the “problem you run into there is what constitutes mental illness.”
“That creates a slippery slope,” he said
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/colorado-governor-john-hickenlooper-says-its-time-to-talk-gun-control
Yep makes me just want to [Puke]
To any of you on this site that voted for any democrat, please remind me to kick you squarely in the nuts, hard enough that you can no longer pro-create, the next time I see you.
Well since they are all for abortions, we should just make it mandatory for the dems to have them. I just fear we may all die from exhaustion with the amount of kicking we would need in this state....
kidicarus13
12-13-2012, 14:09
Hickenlooper did not call for specific legislation, but did give a strong indication of what kind of debates and proposals he'd like to see.
“When you look at what happened in Aurora, a great deal of that damage was from the large magazine on the AR-15 (rifle).
Order your hi-cap mags and AR's people, this is what they call "the writing on the wall".
DavieD55
12-13-2012, 14:09
Oh that will never happen, you guys need to stock up on tinfoil.
newracer
12-13-2012, 14:11
Send him your thoughts
http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requests/opinion.html
battle_sight_zero
12-13-2012, 14:15
Sad many of us thought it would come to Obama and the Feds would do this. Personally common sense stated it would come from the State level. I am not giving up but quite frankly this State has to many transplant from the west and east coasts who are trying to put what they left on us. As I said in past posts I am 5th generation Colorado native and find it disturbing to see how these lefty transplants are mucking up the State. The first and 2 admendments have been the most important for my ancestors before me in the State. Now we got lefties in everything trying to create their version of utopia. Quite frankly I am sick of it. Some you really belive that this will pass with the next election cycle are dreaming. Our side out numbered for votes and we will continue to be outnumbered. We are a state now where the most important issues are smoking pot, gay marriage, and making sure our elected officials are properly paid. The only thing I can hope for is that my collection will be grandfathered in so that I can retire and move my family from this beautiful but liberal intruding state.
Rooskibar03
12-13-2012, 14:24
This is what the progressive parisites do. They call for more government, more regulation, more control, until one day all that stuff catches up with them and then they cry foul and leave for somewhere "free". They then start the cycle over again. Soon there won't be anywhere left for them to run to and we will have become Greece.
Sad many of us thought it would come to Obama and the Feds would do this. Personally common sense stated it would come from the State level. I am not giving up but quite frankly this State has to many transplant from the west and east coasts who are trying to put what they left on us. As I said in past posts I am 5th generation Colorado native and find it disturbing to see how these lefty transplants are mucking up the State. The first and 2 admendments have been the most important for my ancestors before me in the State. Now we got lefties in everything trying to create their version of utopia. Quite frankly I am sick of it. Some you really belive that this will pass with the next election cycle are dreaming. Our side out numbered for votes and we will continue to be outnumbered. We are a state now where the most important issues are smoking pot, gay marriage, and making sure our elected officials are properly paid. The only thing I can hope for is that my collection will be grandfathered in so that I can retire and move my family from this beautiful but liberal intruding state.
Ccw won't go anywhere. Aren't you guys paying attention to Illinois right now?
BushMasterBoy
12-13-2012, 14:31
Fight back and make sure you vote against any legislator taking away our right to bear arms. Death penalty for mass murderers! Live TV execution of convicted, YES! Taking away law abiding citizens firearms? HELL NO!
Yeah and Hickenloopers annual salary is $90,000
Hickenloopers Bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hickenlooper
AK47 Ranger
12-13-2012, 14:34
I hear Idaho is nice. Fuck all the liberal, dope smoking hippies in my formerly beautiful state. Sad
PugnacAutMortem
12-13-2012, 14:37
I hear Idaho is nice. Fuck all the liberal, dope smoking hippies in my formerly beautiful state. Sad
Hell they are handing out 6 figure jobs in North Dakota like they are candy bars. If shit gets real bad here in CO...I might just head up there and snag a cushy oil country sales gig.
Bailey Guns
12-13-2012, 14:42
Fight back and make sure you vote against any legislator taking away our right to bear arms.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Unfortunately, too many don't vote or, if they do vote, it's a protest vote placed against the "establishment" for some obscure 3rd party candidate. Unfortunately, the majority of the population, as evidenced by the last election, has their collective head up their ass. Unfortunately, I don't see it getting any better.
BlasterBob
12-13-2012, 14:57
Fucking democrats. Why are they so stupid?
To any of you on this site that voted for any democrat, please remind me to kick you squarely in the nuts, hard enough that you can no longer pro-create, the next time I see you.
[Beer]
buffalobo
12-13-2012, 15:03
and it starts....
fuck you hickenlooper.
wyoming is looking good!
^^^This. The wife and I have serious discussions about a move to Wyoming.
We need a few Krassnyites in Colorado.
Another step in the path...
Great-Kazoo
12-13-2012, 15:24
March on the Capitol Date & Time TBD. It's not anything definite, just something i thought of months ago.
Jan-Feb after they start the new session.
buckeye4rnr
12-13-2012, 15:25
Well I hope that AR I ordered last week doesn't get held up by the ATF for too long. Good bye Christmas money and hello guns, ammo, and more pmags.
Thank gawd I went on an AR buying binge in 2012!
O2
Gotta have a backup for the backup AND the primary AR... :)
Thank gawd I went on an AR buying binge in 2012!
O2
Wish I could have afforded that... I've been saving up for a Daniel Defense SBR, if I have to kiss that goodbye I might just trot down to Dickinpooper's office and tell him face to face he's a big piece of shit. Ya know, since they really don't read emails.
BPTactical
12-13-2012, 16:00
Dear Gubbunor Howdy Doody,
The alcohol you have peddled to make you rich has destroyed more lives than any firearm related incidents.
Singlestack
12-13-2012, 16:03
Looks like I better snag a few of those Surefire 60 rounders while I can. Regardless of what chickenpooper said before, just goes to show you can never trust dems with the 2nd amendment.
This doesn't panic me quite as much as back in the Clinton era... substantially more than half the voting populace is NOT in favor of more gun control. Even the liberal polls are reflecting this. I think 9/11 changed a lot of minds on the reality of the issue. That said, I do think Colorado is shifting too far left, and getting too crowded for me to really miss it. Wife and I are moving to Alaska after she graduates and we get our financial footing back.
Hick has ultimate control on whether a bill is signed into law, so that is where we should concentrate our efforts. If he vetoes a bill, or simply declines to sign it (pocket veto), then it's back to square one for the gun grabbers. I will be drafting a letter to the Governor (probably not opening with "Dear Guv'nor Lickmypooper") pointing out that there are numerous laws already on the books that are not being adequately enforced (felons with guns are seldom charged or convicted at the state level), and that by his own admission, more restrictive laws would not prevent criminals from carrying out such crimes. In his statement to the press, he explicitly said as much, so was he lying then, or is he lying now?
Zundfolge
12-13-2012, 16:24
The simple tactic here is we need to remind Hickenlooper and any Democrat that will listen that there will be serious political consequences for pushing gun control.
If they think they can get away with it they'll do it, likewise if they don't think they can get away with it the won't. Not all the Dems in Denver are ideologues, most are typical corrupt and pragmatic politicians who are there to line their own pockets and they can't do that if they get voted out.
Zombie Steve
12-13-2012, 16:36
Think it would do any good to invite him out to go shooting one day? Maybe we can indoctrinate the dude and show him that shooting stuff is fun.
I HEAR THAT PAPER...I am still waiting for mine....I still need to get an upper done...Just bought the lower in case this crap happend
streetglideok
12-13-2012, 16:50
For those who do not know what districts they are in, here is a map:
http://www.colorado.gov/esri/webmaps/my-hood.html?webmap-id=a4838d49acca478e82f453d209bc81d9
He will go down in flames if he tries to touch the 2A. He needs to be made painfully aware of this starting now.
The simple tactic here is we need to remind Hickenlooper and any Democrat that will listen that there will be serious political consequences for pushing gun control.
In Texas or South Carolina, maybe. In Colorado......did y'all see which direction this state voted just a few short weeks ago?!
Gcompact30
12-13-2012, 17:43
Some Democrats love guns to and believe in the 2nd Amendment LOL :-) Next time around vote him out of office that's a start. Dam I need to buy an AR-15, 5.56 before that happens....
Zundfolge
12-13-2012, 17:48
In Texas or South Carolina, maybe. In Colorado......did y'all see which direction this state voted just a few short weeks ago?!
Colorado Democrats have a tradition of being pro-gun.
And Barry didn't win by a huge margin here ... lots of GOP curmudgeons sat out this last election (or voted for Gary Johnson) so don't underestimate the political suicide that pushing gun control in CO will likely be.
We should take a page from the marijuana folks and get this on the ballot for a Constitutional Amendment clarifying our RKBA.
Mike
We need to be writing the state house, senate and Hick but we also need to make sure the NRA recognizes the ungency here.
Colorado Democrats have a tradition of being pro-gun.
And Barry didn't win by a huge margin here ... lots of GOP curmudgeons sat out this last election (or voted for Gary Johnson) so don't underestimate the political suicide that pushing gun control in CO will likely be.
I hope you're right, I prefer my current hobby to basket weaving...
sabot_round
12-13-2012, 19:46
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the tide to turn. With that amendment 64 bullshit being approved, you can expect more of the liberal-hippie kind to move in and really make this a blue state. Hell, it has already started...we might as well start calling it Colofornia. Just my [2cents]
I've been kicking around the idea of moving back to Texas. As if a $30K a year pay increase and no state income tax wasn't enough of a reason already....
[facepalm]
argonstrom
12-13-2012, 20:16
Don't worry, folks - crime will go away if we just outlaw stuff. It's just common sense.
Alright! Now we are gonna be a gunless Mary Jane smoking state! I loved CO when I moved here back in 06 but now I am worried. WTF!?! Guns don't kill people, People kill people and I am sure even with an AWB, High Cap Mag Ban or whatever is in their sights the next Joker will still have some way of doing what he wants with whatever and murder will still be there but it will just be more difficult to defend ourselves and families. Shit makes me sick! Gov StickNPooper needs a reality check.
Sorry, not to mention a violation of the 2nd A. Let's just take the Anti's 1st A away if that's how they want to play it!
Tinelement
12-13-2012, 20:39
Better ban bows.
1o9RGnujlkI
In a thread on gun control talks a few weeks ago, I posted this as what I had emailed to all of my state senators, representatives, and the governor. Feel free to use. The more people we have emailing our officials about this, the better.
(Official's name here),
I am one of your constituents, and am writing in response to this article, regarding potential gun control legislation in Colorado: http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/993882-fired-about-new-gun-control-legislation
I would like to make absolutely clear that I strongly oppose any gun control legislation. It not only imposes upon my Second Amendment right, but also on my ability to protect myself and my loved ones.
A ban on so-called 'assault weapons' is nothing more than feel-good, knee-jerk legislation. These weapons are one of the least-used weapons in crime. Your average citizen stands a higher chance of being struck by lightning than being in a violent encounter with someone with an 'assault weapon.' There are many people who own these sorts of weapons for hunting, target shooting, competition, and self-defense. It does not stand to curtail the rights and freedoms of everyone just because of this.
The same applies to a ban on so-called 'high capacity' magazines. They are very seldom used in crime. That a handful of tragic incidents make national headline news is not an indicator that they are at all a threat to the American way of life. They have many applications, the most prominent of which for me is self defense. I do not want to be forced to have a weapon with a limited-capacity magazine if the lives of my loved ones are at stake. Those extra rounds could very easily mean the difference between life and death.
Regarding the application of mental health to gun laws, this is a very sticky issue. Mental illnesses exist on a very broad spectrum, ranging from basic depression all the way up to more severe conditions like sociopathy. Furthermore, mental illness can be treated, and is on a daily basis. Making laws to restrict those with mental health issues from firearm ownership would have severe drawbacks. First, it would put pressure on mental health professionals to place patients on a 'do not arm' list, just to cover themselves and avoid potential liability later. The vast, overwhelming majority of people with diagnosed mental illnesses never go on to shoot anyone, but some mental health professionals (especially those who are opposed to guns anyway) would be inclined to put most patients onto such a list. Second, it would further stigmatize mental health issues. It would put more pressure on the mentally ill to avoid treatment, for fear of being put on a 'do not arm' list.
There are already laws in place, such as the Lautenberg amendment, that keep guns out of the hands of those with known domestic violence issues. Criminal background checks are already required for firearm purchases. Current laws work, they just need to be enforced.
In closing, I urge you to oppose any new legislation on gun control in Colorado. It will do nothing good for our great state.
Respectfully,
(Your name here)
It wouldn't hurt to introduce new people to shooting and show them that it is reasonable and safe either. The more we can get on our side, the better.
Bailey Guns
12-13-2012, 21:17
Colorado Democrats have a tradition of being pro-gun.
Sorry. There's no such thing as a "pro-gun Democrat". When a person votes for a Democrat they're voting for a party that lists further gun-control as a plank in their party platform. Democrat politicians may say they're pro-gun but their personal beliefs rarely translate to voting against the party leadership calls for any gun-control measure being considered. One of the few times you'll see a Democrat vote against the party is when the measure is sure to pass and the individual can vote against it because it's going to pass anyway and party leadership has blessed a "No" vote. That way they can tell their constituents, "Check my record. I voted against that bill. See? I'm pro gun." This tactic isn't limited to Democrats, either.
Not long ago a certain member here was defending why it was good to have "pro-gun" democrats. As you can see by Hickenlooper's announcement today that's total horseshit.
You can write your elected Democrat officials all you want. The important "writing" has already been done at the voting booth and they know that. They'll worry about the next election in a few years. Right now the time is ripe to pass a lot of the Democrat agenda as there is no real opposition. They know that, too.
argonstrom
12-13-2012, 21:18
Better ban bows.
And redheads. And people with black hair, maybe those with brown hair, too! Those with blonde hair & blue eyes are cool, though. Or maybe not them, either!
Come on, folks; he's the Governor! Don't waste your time voting, writing, or protesting! It's for the common good! Come on, folks; Honey Boo Boo might get voted off the island! It's for the common good!
He knows what is right for us. We should stop voicing our concerns!
SaigamanCO
12-13-2012, 21:52
Dupe.
SaigamanCO
12-13-2012, 21:58
I'm new to this state. Is there any kind of defense against this crap?
clublights
12-13-2012, 22:07
proof bad guys don't need guns to do evil
http://kdvr.com/2012/12/13/officials-suspect-sprays-flammable-liquid-on-victims-clothing-lights-them-on-fire/
apparently the accelerant used was bug spray ...
True no one died.. but if you ask me .. gunshot wounds heal easier then MAJOR burns...
OneGuy67
12-13-2012, 22:28
TFOGGER, not to argue with you, but if the gov declines to sign the legislation, it goes into effect without a signature. It allows the gov to not have to sign legislation he doesn't agree with.
Great-Kazoo
12-13-2012, 22:30
Colorado Democrats have a tradition of being pro-gun.
And Barry didn't win by a huge margin here ... lots of GOP curmudgeons sat out this last election (or voted for Gary Johnson) so don't underestimate the political suicide that pushing gun control in CO will likely be.
Sorry but you are incorrect. This is the state that passed Back Ground checks at gun shows, by a margin. SOME Gun owners felt it was a sensible law. The Non Black Gun, gun owner could give 2 shits as long as it doesn't affect his 1100 sporting clays limited edition.
JM Ver. 2.0
12-13-2012, 23:14
I saw this car the other day... Had this sticker along with a few other pro gun stickers. It had those super colorful plates... South district or north.... Plate number was 13. I don't know what the plate means. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/14/je6uvyje.jpg
DavieD55
12-14-2012, 00:54
I saw this car the other day... Had this sticker along with a few other pro gun stickers. It had those super colorful plates... South district or north.... Plate number was 13. I don't know what the plate means. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/14/je6uvyje.jpg
Did it look like one of these? 17071
JM Ver. 2.0
12-14-2012, 05:21
Did it look like one of these? 17071
Yep. That'd be it.
DavieD55
12-14-2012, 05:57
Yep. That'd be it.
The 13 represents CO Senate District 13. He is one of the good guys.
TFOGGER, not to argue with you, but if the gov declines to sign the legislation, it goes into effect without a signature. It allows the gov to not have to sign legislation he doesn't agree with. during most of the legislative session, yes. At the end of the legislative session is when the "pocket veto" would come into play.
Lickenpooper, what a ballsack.....
I'll peacefully protest. Time to get the tea party signs ready to go.
ETA: We should call him and ask why the price of license plates is still 3 times what they were and why the taxes from gasoline isn't enough to pay for these fugly bridges that are being rebuilt around town. Has he fixed all of the legitimate problems with the state that he has to start attacking ficticous problems and burning the very constitution that he is there to protect?
palepainter
12-14-2012, 13:48
We are so screwed..... Today was the nail in the coffin. I pray for us all.
Aloha_Shooter
12-14-2012, 13:49
Here's my gun control proposal. I dare the idiots in Denver to take it up for debate.
Studies have shown Switzerland is one of the safest countries in the world with one of the lowest rates of murder and gun violence per capita in the world. Switzerland not only has a "must have" gun policy but also a "must practice" policy to ensure proficiency. Swiss citizens are therefore always in control of their guns and ready to defend their homes, loved ones and country from all enemies, foreign or domestic.
1. All citizens of Colorado who are not legally restricted from gun ownership or physically incapable of using one will be required to purchase a firearm for self-defense and practice with it to learn how to control it.
2. The state will create a voucher program so citizens won't have to make a decision between a moderate handgun and the rent or food but can use their own funds to get a better one.
3. Said firearm will have a minimum power factor to meet IPSC "minor" class.
4. Owner will register only the caliber of the firearm so the state can issue practice ammunition quarterly but the firearm itself will not be registered into any state database.
5. The state will conduct regular no-notice audits to ensure citizens have retained their firearm and logs of practice sessions to ensure proficiency.
Kraven251
12-14-2012, 14:05
Here's my gun control proposal. I dare the idiots in Denver to take it up for debate.
Studies have shown Switzerland is one of the safest countries in the world with one of the lowest rates of murder and gun violence per capita in the world. Switzerland not only has a "must have" gun policy but also a "must practice" policy to ensure proficiency. Swiss citizens are therefore always in control of their guns and ready to defend their homes, loved ones and country from all enemies, foreign or domestic.
1. All citizens of Colorado who are not legally restricted from gun ownership or physically incapable of using one will be required to purchase a firearm for self-defense and practice with it to learn how to control it.
2. The state will create a voucher program so citizens won't have to make a decision between a moderate handgun and the rent or food but can use their own funds to get a better one.
3. Said firearm will have a minimum power factor to meet IPSC "minor" class.
4. Owner will register only the caliber of the firearm so the state can issue practice ammunition quarterly but the firearm itself will not be registered into any state database.
5. The state will conduct regular no-notice audits to ensure citizens have retained their firearm and logs of practice sessions to ensure proficiency.
This is full of win.
Citizen_Soldier
12-14-2012, 14:30
Here's my gun control proposal. I dare the idiots in Denver to take it up for debate.
1. All citizens of Colorado who are not legally restricted from gun ownership or physically incapable of using one will be required to purchase a firearm for self-defense and practice with it to learn how to control it.
2. The state will create a voucher program so citizens won't have to make a decision between a moderate handgun and the rent or food but can use their own funds to get a better one.
3. Said firearm will have a minimum power factor to meet IPSC "minor" class.
4. Owner will register only the caliber of the firearm so the state can issue practice ammunition quarterly but the firearm itself will not be registered into any state database.
5. The state will conduct regular no-notice audits to ensure citizens have retained their firearm and logs of practice sessions to ensure proficiency.
Could be possible. http://patriotaction.net/profiles/blogs/a-novel-idea-register-nongun
bigmyk2k
12-14-2012, 14:34
Could be possible. http://patriotaction.net/profiles/blogs/a-novel-idea-register-nongun
That is awesome! Why not? Afterall, it is to protect their asses that we keep needing more cops on the street.
Better ban bows.
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This is what happens when you are to good to become mail order.
To silent. They need to make it louder like guns.
Here's my gun control proposal. I dare the idiots in Denver to take it up for debate.
Studies have shown Switzerland is one of the safest countries in the world with one of the lowest rates of murder and gun violence per capita in the world. Switzerland not only has a "must have" gun policy but also a "must practice" policy to ensure proficiency. Swiss citizens are therefore always in control of their guns and ready to defend their homes, loved ones and country from all enemies, foreign or domestic.
1. All citizens of Colorado who are not legally restricted from gun ownership or physically incapable of using one will be required to purchase a firearm for self-defense and practice with it to learn how to control it.
2. The state will create a voucher program so citizens won't have to make a decision between a moderate handgun and the rent or food but can use their own funds to get a better one.
3. Said firearm will have a minimum power factor to meet IPSC "minor" class.
4. Owner will register only the caliber of the firearm so the state can issue practice ammunition quarterly but the firearm itself will not be registered into any state database.
5. The state will conduct regular no-notice audits to ensure citizens have retained their firearm and logs of practice sessions to ensure proficiency.
I love it! I would happily register 5.56, 7.62x39, 9mm, .45, .40, and 12GA... Now, hurry up and send me my ammo! [Beer]
ghettodub
12-14-2012, 15:16
I know I wrote Hick and my state reps today, and then the news about CT came out right after I sent them. Damnit...
Here is a link to a hack news show that wants to talk about guns. Notice how biased their questions are against guns.
http://www.publicinsightnetwork.org/form/colorado-public-radio/953f2e10355d/gun-violence-gun-laws-and-you
I urge you to fill this out before all the idiot antigun types get on there and talk about their feelings.
bigmyk2k
12-14-2012, 17:34
Interesting perspective on Grandfather Clauses from another forum.
http://www.702shooter.com/community-awareness/grandfather-clauses-firearm-magazine-ammunition-laws/
TEAMRICO
12-14-2012, 22:58
Here is a link to a hack news show that wants to talk about guns. Notice how biased their questions are against guns.
http://www.publicinsightnetwork.org/form/colorado-public-radio/953f2e10355d/gun-violence-gun-laws-and-you
I urge you to fill this out before all the idiot antigun types get on there and talk about their feelings.
No way I hell would I fill that out.
All the personal info?
Fuuuuuuuuck NO!
I did maybe they will have me on?
Whistler
12-15-2012, 08:10
Thinking we need to demand a detailed analysis describing specifically how any new proposed restriction would reduce violent crime. Not "common sense" anecdotes but actual demonstrable fact. Recognizing that gun crime is a small percentage of violent crime overall and that the cities/states with the most restrictive gun laws are among the highest in violent crime, I don't think it's factually supportable any new restriction can be proven to reduce violent crime. If we include the statistics for violent crimes prevented by an armed individual (usually without firing a shot) the inverse is indicated.
Interestingly since 1980 the total number of guns has increased dramatically while statistically homicides by intimates involving a gun have decreased. Homicides involving more than two victims has remained steady @ less than 1% of all homicides annually. Despite record-breaking firearm sales the only two categories where homicide has increased are criminals in the commission of a felony and gang/drug-related violence.
“When you look at what happened in Aurora, a great deal of that damage was from the large magazine on the AR-15 (rifle). I think we need to have that discussion and say, 'Where is this appropriate?'”
This quote from Gov. Hikenlooper is indicative of the same concern in that it is a distortion of the facts compared to normal magazine changes by a practiced individual and could be argued the failure of said "large magazine" may have reduced "that damage" somewhat. How is anyone to "have that discussion" from a position of fear, self-preservation and misinformation?
Statistically the number of violent crimes involving any type of so-called "assault weapon" is so small as to be insignificant yet they insist this is not capitalizing a tragedy to further a personal agenda? I feel for each and every victim of senseless violence however I expect our elected representatives to prioritize their efforts appropriate to the scale of the issue. Emotionally gun violence may be a priority however realistically/statistically it doesn't even make the top twenty. Not in terms of the approach, impact, cost or more directly, lives lost. In light of that perspective is this a frank dialog he's calling for or political pandering?
The obvious conclusion is more guns do not equal more crime while fewer guns do not equal less crime. Tell me again how making it harder for a law-abiding individual to acquire a firearm reduces gun related crime? Prefaced by the belief being murdered in any manner or with any weapon all suck, Chicago, Oakland & DC are all fine examples of how well draconian gun controls lead to reduction of violent crime.
Zundfolge
12-15-2012, 11:42
“When you look at what happened in Aurora, a great deal of that damage was from the large magazine on the AR-15 (rifle). I think we need to have that discussion and say, 'Where is this appropriate?'”
Except that is not the truth. The Aurora shooter's AR jammed almost right away so he dropped it and most of his shooting was done with a 12ga shotgun.
Except that is not the truth.
Since when has truth or facts ever played a role?!
Except that is not the truth. The Aurora shooter's AR jammed almost right away so he dropped it and most of his shooting was done with a 12ga shotgun.
You have to clean the AR all the time and keep it almost wet lubed. Unless you are criminal you can keep it dirty it will work. Promise.
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