WTF?? ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING

[spittoon]

WTF Is wrong with people? I am sick of tuning on the news And hearing of some new crazy whack job .Please just kill yourself leave the kids and other people out of it.[Rant2][Rant2]
Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School, Gunman Is Dead - ABC ... (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFoQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FUS%2Fshooting-connecticut-elementary-school-gunman-dead%2Fstory%3Fid%3D17973836&ei=vU_LUKyqN8mEygHXhoGIDQ&usg=AFQjCNGF2C7D8boxN0sJCCiYadoTzc0oqQ&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.aWc)

[BPTactical]

Yup, just reading this on Drudge.


"The Perfect Storm"

[BushMasterBoy]

One teacher shot in the foot? Any other news?


http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22192397/school-shooting-reported-newtown-conn (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22192397/school-shooting-reported-newtown-conn)

[muddywings]

oh boy...don't like where this could head to.....

nevermind, but still another sh!tty day.
hope for quick recoveries for those injured.

[HoneyBadger]

Good thing public schools are gun free zones.... [Bang]

[kidicarus13]

Teacher shot in the foot = school shooting?!

Am I missing something here? Sounds like sensationalism to me.

Edited: A premature comment, obviously the story has unfolded into being more serious.

[Kraven251]

Tis the season of depressed folks, alcohol and prescription drugs... Then you add to it all the people that believe that the world won't see 12/22 and they decide the rules no longer apply. I just think people are coming unhinged at the moment and want to be remembered if only for something heinous.

[HoneyBadger]

Teacher shot in the foot = school shooting?!

Am I missing something here? Sounds like sensationalism to me.

Here's the article I saw: http://www.kltv.com/story/20345707/school-shooting-reported-in-newtown



Few details have been released during this unfolding situation, but state police said this is one of the worst shootings emergency officials have seen in a long time.
...
The Newtown Bee is reporting multiple police, ambulance and emergency crews are at the scene, and there are multiple reports of injuries being reported.

...And this one: http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-police-responding-to-incident-in-newtown-20121214,0,3969911.story


Multiple people have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dickinson Drive.
Police said some of the shooting victims are children but it is not clear if they are among the dead. They were still searching the school at 11 a.m., and police dogs had been brought in.
...
Shortly after 9:40 a.m., police reported that a shooter was in the main office of the school. A person in one room had “numerous gunshot wounds,” police said.

[CrufflerSteve]

Teacher shot in the foot = school shooting?!

Am I missing something here? Sounds like sensationalism to me.

Is there another reason? Some psycho loser wants his fame and is willing to settle for infamy. If it didn't generate a publicity storm it wouldn't happen. I wish CNN, MSNC, FOX and all the others would have an hour of news a day read by some guy in a monotone and just shut down or do game shows the rest of the day.

[Batteriesnare]

Here we go again. Just in time for Hickenlooper to open his mouth too.....

[Robb]

[Updated at 11:34 a.m. ET] The shooter is dead, a source with knowledge of the investigation, tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

Police have recovered two weapons from him, the source added.

It's not known whether police killed the alleged shooter or he took his own life. The source says one weapon recovered is a Glock and the other is a Sig Sauer.

[CrufflerSteve]

Israel had a problem with that long ago. The terrorists tried school massacres since children being hurt really hits everyone in the emotional gut. Since Israeli's all serve in the army they all know guns. The government quietly arranged to make sure all school employees were packing and the next terrorists got stopped quick.

Then they started targeting civilian gatherings. The government quietly encouraged CCW so the next time some guys with AK47's walked into a cafe everybody shot them. That's when they went to not so smart bomb or suicide bombers. Somehow I don't think the Hick would suggest this reasonable​ way of dealing with mass shootings..

[dwalker460]

Awesome thing those teachers cant defend themselves...

So lesseee here-

Gun Free Zones-

Movie theaters
Schools
Churches
Malls

Gun Free zones targeted by chicken shit motherfuckers without a hair on their pimply asses-

Movie theaters- check
Schools- double check
Churches- Check
Malls- double check

Hmmm, I believe the reasonable response here is that these need to be GUN MANDATED zones. Where if you are of age, mentally sound, physically capable, you are trained and are required to be in possession of a weapon at all times when in these areas. For the safety of the public. These are gathering places where folks feel at ease, but make nice targets for any coward out to "make things right" for some percieved afront to his/her dignity.

[StagLefty]

News conference at 11

[Great-Kazoo]

DOMESTIC TERRORISM Nothing else but. Look to the school massacre in russia? it's a coming and will not stop no matter how many gun laws the country enacts.

[HoneyBadger]

Fuuuuuuuck. Its looking like potentially a dozen or more kids killed. Fuck that guy...

[KestrelBike]

I'm f'in tired of news outlets (everyone is guilty of this, from chicago tribune to foxnews) putting out sensational headlines and hiding behind the fact that its completely a guess by saying "blah blah REPORTED".

F*** journalists today.

[BPTactical]

Saying up to 20 killed, over 100 rounds fired.





Instant semi auto ban coming by executive order?
Any takers?

[HoneyBadger]

Saying up to 20 killed, over 100 rounds fired.





Instant semi auto ban coming by executive order?
Any takers?


See, I'm already betting on that. That's why I stocked up. :D

[BPTactical]

Live feed at Fox Ct

[Robb]

CBS News: 27 Dead, Including 14 Children In Elementary School Shooting In Newtown, Conn.


NEWTOWN, Conn. (CBSNewYork) – Twenty-seven people are dead including 14 children...

Sickening.

[wreave]

They are now saying 27!!!

Better get your ARs while they last, people...

[Great-Kazoo]

Saying up to 20 killed, over 100 rounds fired.


Not from here.


Instant semi auto ban coming by executive order?
Any takers?

[PugnacAutMortem]

They are now saying 27!!!

Better get your ARs while they last, people...

Which is the fucked up thing...because from what I read this guy didn't even have an AR. But you are exactly right, ARs are on their way out.

I need an influx of cash QUICK...

[wreave]

Which is the fucked up thing...because from what I read this guy didn't even have an AR. But you are exactly right, ARs are on their way out.

I need an influx of cash QUICK...

It won't matter what he had, though if he did, it's going to be worse - if at all possible.

My feelings on cash are the same as yours!

[dwalker460]

How about we just start doing our jobs and kill these bastard sonsofbitches? Promise you these two nutjobs had histories, and someone would have done us a lot of good by putting a bullet in thier brainpans many years ago.

[CO303]

Fox just reported weapons were a Glock and a Sig. They didn't say if the Sig was a rifle.

[Zundfolge]

Every time we have one of these things we all get lots of FUD and doom & gloom from our side that now gun bans are inevitable ... while I'll admit that dead children is indeed a great tragedy that has the most potential to do it, lets at least wait until the bodies are cold before we start worrying about it.

For now, prayers for the families of the dead and injured.

[NMB2]

Every time we have one of these things we all get lots of FUD and doom & gloom from our side that now gun bans are inevitable ... while I'll admit that dead children is indeed a great tragedy that has the most potential to do it, lets at least wait until the bodies are cold before we start worrying about it.

For now, prayers for the families of the dead and injured.

^^^ this x 11tybillion.

[argonstrom]

Fox just reported that the Prez was asked if he was still committed to an AWB, he said yes but today want the day to talk about it..

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Every time we have one of these things we all get lots of FUD and doom & gloom from our side that now gun bans are inevitable ... while I'll admit that dead children is indeed a great tragedy that has the most potential to do it, lets at least wait until the bodies are cold before we start worrying about it.

For now, prayers for the families of the dead and injured.

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I'm a little upset with all the people ignoring the fact that there are 18 dead children and focusing only on what is good for themselfs...

[wreave]

Fox just reported that the Prez was asked if he was still committed to an AWB, he said yes but today want the day to talk about it..

Agreed. He has Bloomberg, CNN, MSNBC, and a host of other people who will talk about it today. He can afford to wait.

[dwalker460]

Man, am I really going to be the voice of reason here?

Yeah, some of the soap-boxers will bang thier anti-gun drums, just like they ALWAYS do.
But by and large, the American public is not stupid and not anti-gun. Your average person is going to look at this and cry over the gun, and the media will use it to distract from the nutjob themselves and where thier glorious systems failed- how the welfare system did not make these guys happy, maybe how unemployed pushed them over the edge, or how the criminal justice system on the east coast just cycled them through, or whatever. But try as they might, the media will not be able to completely distract the American public from these things and at some point they are going to call out for blood. Sure guns are going to be a part of it, but watch and see how this runs.

[MileHighOutlaw]

Thoughts and prayers going out to all the families....Sad day indeed.

[PugnacAutMortem]

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I'm a little upset with all the people ignoring the fact that there are 18 dead children and focusing only on what is good for themselfs...

While my heart goes out to the families who have had the most tragic day of their lives...my JOB as a husband and a father is to protect MY family. Not yours, not theirs, MY family.

[Teufelhund]

9News reporting it was two 9mm handguns. One reporter also just asked the anchor if he knows how many bullets these guns can hold in a clip. Now they're bringing high-capacity clips into the discussion. As if that has any goddamn thing to do with it.

My stomach is in knots thinking of all the families who just lost their children to some fucking sicko. So disgusting. It is criminal that no one in this area was allowed the ability to defend themselves or the victims.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Man, am I really going to be the voice of reason here?

Yeah, some of the soap-boxers will bang thier anti-gun drums, just like they ALWAYS do.
But by and large, the American public is not stupid and not anti-gun. Your average person is going to look at this and cry over the gun, and the media will use it to distract from the nutjob themselves and where thier glorious systems failed- how the welfare system did not make these guys happy, maybe how unemployed pushed them over the edge, or how the criminal justice system on the east coast just cycled them through, or whatever. But try as they might, the media will not be able to completely distract the American public from these things and at some point they are going to call out for blood. Sure guns are going to be a part of it, but watch and see how this runs.

You did see more than half of the voters this year chose to reelect Obama, right? The majority of people who vote (important distinction) are retarded and voted for their messiah.

[BushMasterBoy]

Shooter was a 20 year old male. News said police they are searching his residence.

[patrick0685]

I feel terrible to the families who lost someone. I just wish that people would not blame the gun and blame the person.

[hollohas]

This makes me sick. I pray for the families. It brings tears to my eyes thinking of the little kids in that school...

[waxthis]

This makes me sick. I pray for the families. It brings tears to my eyes thinking of the little kids in that school...

Couldn't agree more..Just Horrible...

[dwalker460]

You did see more than half of the voters this year chose to reelect Obama, right? The majority of people who vote (important distinction) are retarded and voted for their messiah.

I saw a bunch of unemployeed fuckers vote for the guy promising them more umemployeement and social handout programs, NOT a guy who ran on an anti-gun campaign. If he had, he would have lost. Dumbasses were even out there spreading the lie he was GUN FRIENDLY. My ass.

I have a 2.5yr old and obviously, just another couple years til he is in school. I can promise you that if something like this happened to my boy, or to my wife, hell would be a safer place for any involved. My heart aches for all those families who will be in pain they should never know for a long time to come.

[MCarp71]

Every time we have one of these things we all get lots of FUD and doom & gloom from our side that now gun bans are inevitable ... while I'll admit that dead children is indeed a great tragedy that has the most potential to do it, lets at least wait until the bodies are cold before we start worrying about it.

For now, prayers for the families of the dead and injured.

AMEN!!!!

[WETWRKS]

These are happening all over:

http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story

[dwalker460]

The difference is, that asshat will be dead tomorrow.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Back on topic...http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-respond-to-shooting-at-connecticut-elementary-school/

Apparently he had an AR with him. Somehow the ATF recovered 2 guns (a Glock and a Sig 9mm) but he had a .223 AR as well?

[Ronin13]

Very sad... let's wait until all the facts come out before we start doing what the media is so good at- saying whatever they hear before knowing for sure what, how, who, how many, and all that...
But those who don't think some talk will begin with regards to more gun control... BOHICA.

[Robb]

Local news outlets report that the shooting occurred inside a kindergarten classroom, and that all the pupils in that classroom are unaccounted for.

An official with knowledge of the situation said the 20-year-old gunman, whose name has not been released, also had a .223-caliber rifle. The motive is not yet known.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-respond-to-shooting-at-connecticut-elementary-school/#ixzz2F3PVH1dD

[KevDen2005]

Prayers with the family and the children. May God be with them. I am thankful today that no one I love is hurt.

[dwalker460]

Seriously????

Kids are dead. Little kids who went to school this morning looking forward to a great day of kindergarten playing with paint and eating glue. Some sad sick twisted balless motherfucker walked in and opened fire on a KINDERGARTEN TEACHER AND KIDS. Fuck the gun control issues when are we going to recognize the issue is really that our system creates these pathetic excuses for men who for some unknown reason think its awesome to SHOOT KIDS. Quarantee you this lowlife piece of shit has had a "tough time" at home, and instead of being a man, he dealt with it by gunning down little kids. Really guys? This doesnt piss you the fuck off? If it doesnt go back and learn to be a man.
Maybe this guys ex-wife took his kidd away and like a pissy little thing he took out his "angst" on the classroom. Maybe he was fired because someone thought he looked at the kids the wrong way, or maybe he was just fucked in the head. IN any case, because of our coddling bullshit socially liberal fucking society he did not deal with his problems like a man, he dressed up like a SWAT wannabee faggot motherfucker and gunned down little kids, in a classroom, not hurting anybody. Good thing he is dead, because even the lowlife scum in GenPop would not put up with this kinda shit.

[J]

Way too much modding necessary here. Lets get this back on track pronto!

No more talk about a possible revolution happening elsewhere in the country, even if you aren't inciting it, but just predicting it.
No more attacks or name calling. Back on topic or it is getting closed.

[BPTactical]

They are saying a 24yo was the perp.
Why the common denominator? 20 something males seem to be the ones pulling this crap off.





Thank you J

[KestrelBike]

Make a law making parents responsible for their children's actions until said kids are .... 30 years old?

[alan0269]

Prayers go out to the people affected by this. The latest I read was 27 dead, 18 of which were children.

I can somewhat understand how someone could rationalize going into their former place of employment and doing something stupid like this if they had been terminated and as a result lost everything they had - by no means do they have any justification for it, but I could see how someone in the wrong state of mind could convince themselves to do something like that. The question here though is what could these children have done that was so terrible that they needed to pay with their lives?

Removed Tin-foil Hat clause

[DOC]

Why does the news give these pukes such glory. If they described them as the lowest of the low and make no mention to previous crimes the micro dick people that want to do this crime might think twice. Its easier than gun grabs. Even though this sort of situation is the only/best way to get one.

"The moron that had to take out his frustration about being gay or haveing no dick murdered some inocent people, because he couldn't take the fact that he has no dick and is a fag in all likelyhood."
"This reminds me of Columbine Style blah blah."
"No, Columbine was a tragedy and the most retarded poorly executed over compensation until now. The criminals name has been released but I don't think his name should be spoken. I will continue to call him the biggest loser ever."
Than don't harp on and on about it. Don't give him the glory.
If you are looking for prevention without violating the Constitution you could get volunteer parents to guard the schools. But when that runs out just make sure that everyone should be armed and there are no gun free zones for maximum victims.

[vectorsc]

I am definitely going to hell. Decision made. I need to talk to this group of people who do this in a fashion that would not be permitted by God.

[wreave]

Why does the news give these pukes such glory. If they described them as the lowest of the low and make no mention to previous crimes the micro dick people that want to do this crime might think twice. Its easier than gun grabs. Even though this sort of situation is the only/best way to get one.

"The moron that had to take out his frustration about being gay or haveing no dick murdered some inocent people, because he couldn't take the fact that he has no dick and is a fag in all likelyhood."
"This reminds me of Columbine Style blah blah."
"No, Columbine was a tragedy and the most retarded poorly executed over compensation until now. The criminals name has been released but I don't think his name should be spoken. I will continue to call him the biggest loser ever."
Than don't harp on and on about it. Don't give him the glory.
If you are looking for prevention without violating the Constitution you could get volunteer parents to guard the schools. But when that runs out just make sure that everyone should be armed and there are no gun free zones for maximum victims.

AGREED.

I wrote a piece about the Virginia Tech shooting in a similar vein. The media glorify the shooters, giving them all the attention they ever wanted in their miserable lives.

You know how most media have policies not to identify victims of sexual assault? We should apply those same policies to perpetrators of high-visibility violence. No pictures, no names.

[dwalker460]

They are saying a 24yo was the perp.
Why the common denominator? 20 something males seem to be the ones pulling this crap off.





Thank you J

MHO?

All the EMO/Goth/Metrosexual crap these kids have gotten into. Let a kid listen to a bunch of crap telling them how broken they are all the time and they will believe it. Why do we have CandyKid sluts? Because its "cool" to go get toasted and be treated like a toy. Why do you see guys out there wearing "girl pants" and jeans so tight it makes my balls hurt? Because they are not being taught to be men, they are being told that aggression and anger and doing manly things are bad, and never taught how to actually deal with anger, or see the real results of violence, just what it looks liek on TV. When you fail to teach kids to stand up for themselves, to do the right thing, and to be thier own person, you get weak souled garbage that cannot survive.

[StagLefty]

Gunman's parent found shot

[alan0269]

Why does the news give these pukes such glory. If they described them as the lowest of the low and make no mention to previous crimes the micro dick people that want to do this crime might think twice. Its easier than gun grabs. Even though this sort of situation is the only/best way to get one.

"The moron that had to take out his frustration about being gay or haveing no dick murdered some inocent people, because he couldn't take the fact that he has no dick and is a fag in all likelyhood."
"This reminds me of Columbine Style blah blah."
"No, Columbine was a tragedy and the most retarded poorly executed over compensation until now. The criminals name has been released but I don't think his name should be spoken. I will continue to call him the biggest loser ever."
Than don't harp on and on about it. Don't give him the glory.
If you are looking for prevention without violating the Constitution you could get volunteer parents to guard the schools. But when that runs out just make sure that everyone should be armed and there are no gun free zones for maximum victims.


AGREED.

I wrote a piece about the Virginia Tech shooting in a similar vein. The media glorify the shooters, giving them all the attention they ever wanted in their miserable lives.

You know how most media have policies not to identify victims of sexual assault? We should apply those same policies to perpetrators of high-visibility violence. No pictures, no names.

Well said guys! I've long said that if they want to bring up what happened at Columbine in reference, do so, but do not, under any circumstances mention the names of those that performed the cowardice acts that day. That should apply to any of these instances. Do not give them the attention they were/are looking for.

[merl]

random thought.
Could Higgy direct the state background check folks to only issue deny in cases where that are needed but not issue any approved? Would be an instant way of getting a 1 week waiting period...

[DOC]

random thought.
Could Higgy direct the state background check folks to only issue deny in cases where that are needed but not issue any approved? Would be an instant way of getting a 1 week waiting period...
I don't get it? What are you asking?


Well said guys! I've long said that if they want to bring up what happened at Columbine in reference, do so, but do not, under any circumstances mention the names of those that performed the cowardice acts that day. That should apply to any of these instances. Do not give them the attention they were/are looking for.

Talk about the victims. Absolutly, they deserve to be remembered. But don't make the dickless morons name be known. I still remember the names of the shooters from most school shooting but I'll be damned if I remember the victims. Should I know this stuff? No. All I remember is the Mauser kid and the only reason I know that is because his dad became an antigun advocate and wore his sons shoes to protest peoples rights who had nothing remotely to do with his sons death.
Hell I know more about the guns that were used than the victims.

[Teufelhund]

If you are looking for prevention without violating the Constitution you could get volunteer parents to guard the schools. But when that runs out just make sure that everyone should be armed and there are no gun free zones for maximum victims.

This is one of the most sensible suggestions I've heard on this topic. There would be no shortage of volunteers, but you'd have hell passing legislation to allow it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I feel sick. Rest in peace to the victims.. Prayers to the family.

[mtnrider]

This is just the ammo they need to pass new gun legislation. I guarantee this Will lead to tighter gun control. The public will not stand for children being shot. I'm not a doomsdayer but this is the beginning of the end.

[alan0269]

I have heard that the mother of the gunman in Conn. was/is a teacher there. Makes me wonder if it was her classroom he did this in as an attack towards her, and if he felt that she gave her students more attention than she did him. They have also reported that one adult in the school had been shot multiple times - Mom???

Edit: Apparently it was his mother's classroom, and she was among the dead:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/source-connecticut-school-shooter-opened-fire-in-mom-s-class-officials-say-27-dead-1.4333064

I hope this isn't too far off topic, but there is a report that a man in China attacked 22 school children there with a knife today as well. http://www.ctnow.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5848749.story

[JM Ver. 2.0]

This is just the ammo they need to pass new gun legislation. I guarantee this Will lead to tighter gun control. The public will not stand for children being shot. I'm not a doomsdayer but this is the beginning of the end.

You don't read well, do you.....

[SuperiorDG]

As a parent this really breaks my heart. If gun control would solve this problem I would be for it, but it will not. I wish I had an answer, but this is the human condition and we can't change it.

[anaphylaxis]

What the hell is wrong with people? Who goes around targeting little kids? WTF, over?

Rest in Peace, little ones. :(

[DSB OUTDOORS]

I just got a call here at work from the school district saying all Sheridan Schools are on lock down. Because of this shooting. You have to call the school to make arangments if you want to pick your child up.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[brokenscout]

I think they said the AR was in the trunk?And wasn't used, but they are talking about it a lot
now they are saying he killed his parents had four guns and one of them was a .223 rifle.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[SuperiorDG]

I think they said the AR was in the trunk?And wasn't used, but they are talking about it a lot

I don't think this will matter to the press. Just like the 6000 rounds of ammo that was found in the Aurora case.

Just a thought: why don't they put police at these schools like they do around here?

[NMB2]

Somebody needs to write a hand book for these clowns on how to perform a mass murder, suicide.

Step 1 - Commit suicide.

Step 2..........

[brokenscout]

We have a winner, "Common Sense"
I don't think this will matter to the press. Just like the 6000 rounds of ammo that was found in the Aurora case.

Just a thought: why don't they put police at these schools like they do around here?

[Teufelhund]

There was always a cop at my school in TX, twenty years ago. He was a big fat ass and kind of a moron, but he was armed and alert. I still like DOC's idea of allowing armed parents to volunteer for guard duty.

[Skully]

So sad that there is an element of sick people in the world that would harm children.

I dropped my kids off at pre school an hour ago and there was 2 LEOs at the school parking lot and one across the street. I over heard parents for other pre school kids while we were waiting talking about how scared they were and that they almost didn't bring their kids to school. I made a remark "......that just lets people like that win, go be paranoid and hide in your closet then............................"

[mahabali]

I was cooking breakfast when I heard the news. Completely lost my appetite, actually I just feel completely sick. Who could do something like this?

[newracer]

At least I feel my kids school is safe. There is an open carry policy and a well armed, trained expert marksmen on premises.

Home school right?

[hollohas]

My thoughts are also with the first responders. They will live with the the images they witnessed today forever. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Hope parents, teachers, kids and responders are all provided counselling ASAP.

[brokenscout]

That's what I was thinking, best education..
Home school right?

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[hollohas]

Home school right?

Ah...good one. I was going to ask what school that was and enroll my kid ASAP.

[BPTactical]

And our illustrious leader just made the statement that "the countries leaders must take meaningful action regardless of politics"
AP via Yahoo news

[brokenscout]

Didn't take long
And our illustrious leader just made the statement that "the countries leaders must take meaningful action regardless of politics"
AP via Yahoo news

[spittoon]

[QUOTE=BPTactical;781553]And our illustrious leader just made the statement that "the countries leaders must take meaningful action regardless of politics"
AP via Yahoo news[/QUOTE
HERE WE GO!!

[Tinelement]

ar-15.co school system anyone.?

[brokenscout]

I hate the media

[hollohas]

My kid's school is ALWAYS locked. Only parents and teachers with a unique personal code can get in. Even during busy drop-off and pick-up. Others have to be visually identified and then buzzed in by staff.

Wouldn't keep out the serious crazies like this guy, but at least it's a good security policy that would slow down a bad guy and give the school time to lock down rooms or get kids out...

[Ronin13]

My thoughts are also with the first responders. They will live with the the images they witnessed today forever. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Hope parents, teachers, kids and responders are all provided counselling ASAP.
I echo this... One of my buddies on Jeffco was among some of the first to respond to Columbine, and he said that was the worst day on the job he ever had to deal with. There is nothing, let me clarify: NOTHING, worse than hearing on the radio "Active shooter" and "School." Heartbreaking. The cops up in CT woke up this morning and this was the last call they ever wanted to have to respond to.

And our illustrious leader just made the statement that "the countries leaders must take meaningful action regardless of politics"
AP via Yahoo news
Saw the speech while I was home for lunch... he was red eyed and trying not to cry. I'll bet he sheds no tears as he signs legislation that further kills our Bill of Rights.

UPDATE on the latest from FNC and local CT outlets:
[Dickless] (name not being mentioned) grew up in Newtown, CT, mom was a teacher at the elementary school. [Dickless] currently resides in Hoboken, NJ, father found shot to death in NJ. Mother presumed dead. 20 children confirmed dead, 5 adults, 1 [dickless] shooter. Reports from CT state police say he entered the school dressed in "military style clothing" during the morning announcements, went into the admin offices, opened fire, then entered a classroom. Horrible. I hope hell is treating him appropriately. [Mad]

[brokenscout]

Its up to 28

[ghettodub]

I had to close Facebook and turn off the TV; I couldn't take any more of this today. Just terrible, and how people are already politicizing this makes me sick.

This, folks, will be the event that changes gun rights in our country...

[mtnrider]

I had to close Facebook and turn off the TV; I couldn't take any more of this today. Just terrible, and how people are already politicizing this makes me sick.

This, folks, will be the event that changes gun rights in our country...


I had to do the same. I think I have several friends who are "unfriending" me on FB as we speak. They are all chanting "gun cotrol" and I tried to chime in and explain that will only keep them out of the hands of honest people. Didn't go over well. It's like a linch mob out there. LOTS of anti gun talk going on. This may be the beginning of the end.

[brokenscout]

Ditto
I had to do the same. I think I have several friends who are "unfriending" me on FB as we speak. They are all chanting "gun cotrol" and I tried to chime in and explain that will only keep them out of the hands of honest people. Didn't go over well. It's like a linch mob out there. LOTS of anti gun talk going on. This may be the beginning of the end.

[newracer]

My kid's school is ALWAYS locked. Only parents and teachers with a unique personal code can get in. Even during busy drop-off and pick-up. Others have to be visually identified and then buzzed in by staff.

Wouldn't keep out the serious crazies like this guy, but at least it's a good security policy that would slow down a bad guy and give the school time to lock down rooms or get kids out...

Not sure if true or not but there has been information that the shooter was "buzzed in" because the staff knew him.

[Skully]

I had to close Facebook and turn off the TV; I couldn't take any more of this today. Just terrible, and how people are already politicizing this makes me sick.

This, folks, will be the event that changes gun rights in our country...


yes sickening.....



even if we who believe people are the evil ones not tools or objects there will be those gun owners who will give in do to this and make us extreme enthusiasts and off our rockers and not sensible. It will be interesting to say the least of what we will become with a stroke of pen. I have always believed myself a law abiding citizen and good person. I will NOT sacrifice my beliefs or thinking because of a sick individual's actions.

[COvigilance]

Exactly.
I dont want my kids brainwashed by a bunch of liberal teachers.
I dont want to have to feel like my children are not safe.
I dont want my kids to be exposed to certain things at certain times of their development.

I want to teach my children.
I want to provide security for my children.
I want to expose my children to age appropriate things, when I say. Not when some liberal bureaucrat says to.

I'm a school teacher.....Are we going to lump everyone into one group? I'm not a liberal, and many of the teachers are conservative as well. Isn't that is what the media is going to do to gun owners on this issue? The reason there is no police officer at every school is because most people don't want to pay for it. Most people have the mindset of "it won't happen to me" There are several teachers at my school who have CCW including myself. There are many of us that would love to carry at work to be able to counter someone like this. We can't until the law changes.

[Zundfolge]

The reason there is no police officer at every school is because most people don't want to pay for it. Most people have the mindset of "it won't happen to me"

And at approximately 98,800 OTHER elementary schools nobody was shot today.

We must be careful not to set policies based on extremely rare circumstances.

[WETWRKS]

Here is how Israel handles school security:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/wetwrks/21dbf1d03a700da28feb214fe0d67b7c.jpg

[R&S]

Panic buying is started, 20 minutes ago CBI had a backlog of 471 now 538.

It is ironic that the age group of these idiots that do these terrible things is about the same, early twenties, I think that is the age group that voted the most for Barry (AKA Obama).

[COvigilance]

And at approximately 98,800 OTHER elementary schools nobody was shot today.

We must be careful not to set policies based on extremely rare circumstances.

+1

[Geology Rocks]

it will go one way or the other. People will either choose to protect themselves or trust the Gov't to protect them. Every person I know is arming themselves. Even the people who were once against firearms.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved. The God comfort you beyond all understanding.

[clublights]

Happy Birthday To me ....................... Can I go back to bed ?


Why can't these fucks skip the part where they hurt others and go right ot the part where they shoot themselves?

[Zundfolge]

Y'all best stock up on these too.

http://cdn-www.trails.com/imagecache/articles/295x195/clean-mildew-life-jacket-295x195.png


I imagine there's going to be a lot of boating accidents in the near future.

:p

[Ronin13]

And at approximately 98,800 OTHER elementary schools nobody was shot today.

We must be careful not to set policies based on extremely rare circumstances.
Like Jeffco Schools banned backpacks after Columbine. Knee jerk- it really gets nothing done.

Panic buying is started, 20 minutes ago CBI had a backlog of 471 now 538.

It is ironic that the age group of these idiots that do these terrible things is about the same, early twenties, I think that is the age group that voted the most for Barry (AKA Obama).
Yep, my generation... [Shake] Being in my late 20's a lot of people I know are pretty left leaning. Emotionally run, illogical creatures.[facepalm]

[Gunner]

Panic buying is started, 20 minutes ago CBI had a backlog of 471 now 538.

It is ironic that the age group of these idiots that do these terrible things is about the same, early twenties, I think that is the age group that voted the most for Barry (AKA Obama).

I was thinking the same thing about the age group. Even though I fall into that group

[hollohas]

Not sure if true or not but there has been information that the shooter was "buzzed in" because the staff knew him.

I would hope someone wouldn't buzz in a guy dressed as they describe he was just because they knew him...

[Ronin13]

Now there are reports that the "Ryan Lanza" who is suspected of perpetrating this, is alive and well and not involved:
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-connecticut-shooter-stuff-is-fucking-up-everything
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-GYvvfCUAAD-0G.png:large
They're speculating it could be his 20 year old brother Adam...

[Adawg38]

Man I have been hearing about this all day! This is a sad sad day. Fucking punk ass sick shits! There are 26 people that will not see a xmas this year or anything the rest of their lives. They didn't deserve this, the damn sicko needed a damn Enema! My thoughts for everyone on this tragic day. Hug your little ones tonight....I don't know what I would do if someone like this had gotten to my daughter.

[R&S]

backlog just hit 600 with a 2 hour wait. I'll bet that CBI does another record processing today. Just checked and my suppliers have no AR-15s in stock at this time.


Panic buying is started, 20 minutes ago CBI had a backlog of 471 now 538.

It is ironic that the age group of these idiots that do these terrible things is about the same, early twenties, I think that is the age group that voted the most for Barry (AKA Obama).

[hawk1]

Being a dad to two young kids and being an elementary school teacher... I cried today for the first time in a long time.

[R&S]

ooops site just went down


backlog just hit 600 with a 2 hour wait. I'll bet that CBI does another record processing today. Just checked and my suppliers have no AR-15s in stock at this time.

[newracer]

Now there are reports that the "Ryan Lanza" who is suspected of perpetrating this, is alive and well and not involved:
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-connecticut-shooter-stuff-is-fucking-up-everything
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-GYvvfCUAAD-0G.png:large
They're speculating it could be his 20 year old brother Adam...

No speculation, Adam was the shooter, Ryan is his brother. There are reports that Adam had Ryan's identification.

[R&S]

back up, 651 waiting.

CNN stated the rifle was a model 223 Bushwacker!




ooops site just went down

[Ronin13]

Dammit... The grabbers are already calling for legislation before the crime scene has even been fully canvassed:
http://app.e2ma.net/app2/campaigns/archived/1404253/b2b08be321a0913cf1408084afad4033/

Here's a letter I wrote to them:

Dear Ladd Everitt,
In reference to your statement on today's tragic events, I feel, as a gun owner, veteran, and firearms instructor, that your position of knee-jerk, emotional, ignorance is one that is not conducive to the ongoing debate on how to increase safety and security around our nation. This behavior, as viewed by the gun owning public, is never acceptable. No lawful, respectable gun owners would ever condone actions like those taken this morning. We respect life, especially those of our children. Your organization, along with the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, has this fallacious belief that somehow, someway, banning guns will solve anything. These uniformed, emotionally charged beliefs held by the anti-gun community fail to take into account that criminals have absolute zero regard for gun bans, gun control legislation, and any other law that may stand in their way. Are you aware that murder, drunk driving, rape, and assault are all illegal? But for some reason these crimes still happen daily. Contrary to whatever strange, fantasy-world beliefs you and your supporters may have, law-abiding gun owners do not commit crimes. Guns themselves do not commit crimes. Laws banning or "controlling" guns do not deter crimes, they only hinder the law-abiding people who either own guns for their protection and/or hunting/shooting sports.

Your line, and I quote: "If we’ve reached a point where our children cannot attend school without fear of being gunned down by a homicidal maniac who has obtained easy access to firearms, then the freedom we cherish as citizens of the world’s greatest democracy is at risk of extinction." This is a typical "knee-jerk" reaction. One incident happens, while tragic, horrible, and inexcusable, millions of other children will be going home safe tonight, and will return to school safely on Monday. It is groups like yours, and the Brady Campaign, that are the greatest risk to our freedom and liberty. Would you ever condone a ban on certain words just because they're hurtful or offensive? Should we limit the 1st Amendment because people don't like what others are saying or because some say things that incite violence and death? Of course not, these are rights not given by our fellow man, or governments, or legislators, these are rights endowed by our creator, whichever creator you wish to believe in- yet another unalienable right. So what is the difference between the first and the second amendment to the United States Constitution? As an American Veteran who swore an oath to protect and defend that constitution, I see no difference between the two. I see an assault on any freedoms expounded upon in our Constitution as morally, legally, and ethically wrong. In fact, any infringement, on a most basic level, is no more justified than the actions of a depraved, deranged, and cowardly murderer who goes and shoots up a school.

I hope this letter will better inform you of my personal position, and what I can say is the same position of many law abiding parents, children, brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans who just happen to own guns. I ask that you refrain from emotionally charged, irrational, reactionary rhetoric that attacks an inanimate object, and instead go after the behavior and criminals that perpetrate these horrific events.
Thank you,
#### #. ########
Sorry if it's so long...

[speedysst]

You know, I can't help but think "Are you telling me NO ONE had the means or the will to defend themselves and these kids against this maniac??" I know what the politicians will do but we seriously need to look at what the real reason behind this violence is. We've gone far beyond blaming the availability of guns. Why does not one consider that maybe its because the adults fed these kids all kinds of drugs to control their "behaviour problems" and now their efforts are coming to fruition? Maybe its because the younger generation is drinking gallons of energy drinks and its having an effect? NOPE! Must be the guns fault. Im ALMOST frustrated enough to say go ahead and ban what you want so in a few years we can see that it affected NOTHING just like the previous AWB.

[bogie]

How long before this site goes down...

[Ronin13]

How long before this site goes down...
You'd have to shred the constitution for that to happen...

[Ashton]

Bunch of angry idiots on facebook after this. One said if he had a knife then this wouldn't have happened. I then linked him to the China incident. He shut up.

[wreave]

This is actually a pretty good piece:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/lopresti/2012/12/14/connecticut-newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/1770559/?sf7893913=1

[argonstrom]

My friend's grandson was there. Little guy's friend is unaccounted for :(

Again, I wish the laws were "common sense" enough to allow us to take care of those we love instead of creating such inviting targets for psychopaths.

[SuperiorDG]

Okay, so I just saw a Fox 31 news truck over at Rich Wyatt's place. I wonder what he has to say. God help us/

[Zundfolge]

My friend's grandson was there. Little guy's friend is unaccounted for :(
So your friend's grandson has a friend that is unaccounted for? Or your friend's grandson is unaccounted for?

Either way that's horrible.

[Great-Kazoo]

[QUOTE=BPTactical;781553]And our illustrious leader just made the statement that "the countries leaders must take meaningful action regardless of politics"
AP via Yahoo news[/QUOTE
HERE WE GO!!

Happened within days of Dunblane. One day gun owners next day BANNED.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

This is actually a pretty good piece:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/lopresti/2012/12/14/connecticut-newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/1770559/?sf7893913=1

He addressed the real issue. The issue of crazy fuckers.

[Big Wall]

What terrible news to wake up to. My thoughts are with the families affected and the community.

[argonstrom]

So your friend's grandson has a friend that is unaccounted for? Or your friend's grandson is unaccounted for?

Either way that's horrible.

His friend.

[brokenscout]

Been seeing a lot of this "If you believe you have a right to bear arms, than may you bear responsibility for the babies that died today." People are stupid..

[Teufelhund]

Been seeing a lot of this "If you believe you have a right to bear arms, than may you bear responsibility for the babies that died today." People are stupid..

To that ignorant shit I would like to respond, "If you don't believe we have the right to bear arms, may you exit the fucking country post-haste."

[ebondragon87]

He addressed the real issue. The issue of crazy fuckers.

^This. I couldn't agree more that is society helping to create these crazy fuckers. I'm 25 and can't believe how people in my age bracket act.

[BuffCyclist]

Hearing about this was truly a mindnumbing and motivation-draining way to wake up. My prayers go out to the families who lost children or loved ones, to the students who will forever be scarred by this event, and to everyone else who is affected one way or another.

It is truly sickening to see this type of event happen so frequently. I believe that stricter gun laws will not help the situation, as criminals will always be criminals, but if there was a way to prevent this (mandatory CCW), I would be all for it.

I used to carry my CCW only when it was convenient, or when I would be out of my house all day. No more. I will be carrying 24/7 now (because simply having a pistol out in the house may not be enough if someone kicks in the front door and grabs me), even at home. And yes, I will be carrying while sleeping. I will be urging my fiancee to get her CCL and may even gift her the class for Christmas (or a crudely photoshopped coupon for the class date of her choosing). Then, the second part of that gift will be a CCW of her choosing, and the proper ammo for it. I found out recently both of my Uncles have their CCWs, my mom just got hers a few months ago (and carries everywhere), and I'm trying to convince my sister to get hers as well (she even gets discounts on guns being a Paramedic Firefighter).

Back to the point at hand though, I am interested, like others, to hear what the President will consider as "taking meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this". And as others have said, I wish I had the cash to go out and stock up on more ammo and guns right now, but I don't.

eta: I too am 27 and am often appalled at how people my age (in their 20's) act. I have always been very mature for my age, and was raised with proper values. Acting out in violence was NEVER allowed and dealt with extremely harshly. While I don't have any kids right now (we plan to have our first within 2-3yrs), I have seen how many people my age deal with their parenting, and they are simply too immature to be put in that role and it's disheartening. I fear for the future of America because children are no longer being raised with the ideals, values and morals to keep people acting kindly towards another human being.

[asmo]

Meanwhile at a school in Israel:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/30370_10151190086562613_53992669_n.jpg

[Atrain1]

I cannot say much about this as I just feel sick about the loss of life that should have never happened and could have been prevented. When will our Government wise up and make it a requirement for school employee's to carry guns. The answer is not what all the Libtards are going to say which is gun control, the answer is real simple. Allow school employee's to carry a firearm and give them the proper training to use it. This could have been avoided by any number of people with the proper training and tools to stop this sick twisted worthless piece of crap.

[BREATHER]

President Carter and President Reagan deinstitutionalized the insane in the 70's and 80's. The shooters in the past several years have had a mental illness of some sort. Look it up. Look this up also, violent crimes, guns knives assults rapes have gone up since the 70's when the peanut farmer and the actor started their nonsense. I work in this field by accident, it was not my intention to get into the mental health field and what I see daily sickens me but I am not going out to shoot someone. I will not give up my rights for junkies, crackheads, meth freeks, perverts, child molesters etc. Just think., all these presidents and govenors can say all this shit because they have armed body guards to protect them. The common law abiding citizens has to protect himself, because there ain't enough police ain't enough prisons and aint enough officials or citizens with balls enough to say this is enough....
The reports keep saying this shooter was a young man... He ain't a man, a man would not have taken on poor little children. He is a rabid animal and need to be dealt wih accordingly.

[10mm-man]

While my heart goes out to the families who have had the most tragic day of their lives...my JOB as a husband and a father is to protect MY family. Not yours, not theirs, MY family.

^^^^ I have to agree, and doing so also means your country! And to the flip side you can't protect your family by yourself, it will take me and others banned together. So yes you need to look out for my family and others too! Pray for the families that lost there's today! Try not to be so self centered we all need to be together in this..............

[hawk1]

Meanwhile at a school in Israel:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/30370_10151190086562613_53992669_n.jpg


AMEN...

[Adawg38]

They said "the gun was legally purchased and registered." I hate that line, basically the Anti's fueling what they believe is "see even guns legally purchased and owned still causes tragic events" NO, these guns were legally purchased and owned by his mom. He stole the guns. That just goes to show you if a dumbass/nut job wants he will still do.

[BuffCyclist]

And can you imagine being the shooters brother? Living your life and having your name associated with such a tragic event. Not only that, having been accused that you were the shooter because your brother allegedly took your ID. Changing his name and moving to another part of the country will not be enough to escape this.

[n8tive97]

This makes me sick. I pray for the families. It brings tears to my eyes thinking of the little kids in that school...

Couldn't agree more, my heart breaks for these families...

[Monky]

They're now reporting that 3 of the guns belonged to his mother.. you know..the one he killed.. So while they may have been legally obtained by her.. they were NOT by him.

[TFOGGER]

Another good piece on what we should focus on, and why:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/14/connecticut-school-shooting-gun-control/1770345/

[wctriumph]

I don't know but I have a opinion;

It is the fault of the government run school system that indoctrinates children, teaching them what to think and not teaching children how to think. When a person that was not taught how to think runs into a situation that requires critical thought processes, they are unable to cope with the situation and act out trying to get someone to pay attention. They were never taught to ask... anything. Just do it this way or else ... And believe me, and I have experienced this with my daughter in high school. When you ask a school person, from teacher to principal, for help for your child, you get none! The child is evaluated by the school psychologist and simply moved to another class or criticized as a trouble maker for asking questions or for help with a problem. "There are tutors or counselors that can help your daughter Mr and Mrs Murphy. We can't just stop the class if she doesn't understand, we don't have time for that and the disruptions interfere with other student's learning activities. You need to take care of that outside the classroom". They don't have time to TEACH! No wonder we are so far behind the world in academics.

Without the ability to think critically any person will not be able to cope in the "real" world. They must be constantly taken care of because they can't take care of themselves. We took our daughter out of school and home schooled her. She is a brat to the Nth degree and will speak her mind. She is way more intelligent that her parents ever were and intimidates the boys because they just don't know what to think and she gets bored with them.

Again, just my opinion from my experience.

[BuffCyclist]

Another good piece on what we should focus on, and why:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/14/connecticut-school-shooting-gun-control/1770345/

Very good article. Hits the nail on the head, but I wonder if/when this country ever will entirely ban gun-free zones. Really doubt we'll see it anytime soon.

[Zundfolge]

And can you imagine being the shooters brother? Living your life and having your name associated with such a tragic event. Not only that, having been accused that you were the shooter because your brother allegedly took your ID. Changing his name and moving to another part of the country will not be enough to escape this.

Well also the fact that his mother was murdered today too.

[Madusa]

Did they say the Bushmaster was found in the car?

[sneakerd]

Get ready folks, legislation is coming- coming very soon. It was a crazy day today at the Firing Line.

[R&S]

CBI now 696 apps in the que, at 1900 part of the staff leaves so thing will really get backed up, wait time is almost 3 hours now. This is worse than black Friday. The Looper can, I believe, shut down CBI for a period of time. I know he can for sure if he institues marshal law, then all transfer if firearms are stopped.

[spittoon]

Did they say the Bushmaster was found in the car?

it was in the car

[sneakerd]

The ARs are now moving very quickly.

[BuffCyclist]

Well also the fact that his mother was murdered today too.

Very true, forgot about that.

[merl]

The ARs are now moving very quickly.

between this & Higgy's comments I just ordered those couple lowers I've been mulling over for years. (and a few more AR mags)

[Madusa]

I heard the AR was found in the car and he went in the school with a glock and a sig.

[BuffCyclist]

Two interesting articles:

Perhaps we should try banning mentally unfit people instead of guns for once.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/why-are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-frequent/

Looks like some people actually understand! I hope this is the type of laws that the President is talking about forging. http://www.freep.com/article/20121214/NEWS06/121214074/In-Michigan-supporters-say-new-gun-law-could-help-stop-tragedies-like-Conn-massacre

[sabot_round]

My prayers go to all the families and victims. But, I'm starting to think that all of these wackos are liberals trying to martyr themselves into gun control. Just my[2cents]!!

[Ridge]

So Ryan (the brother that didn't kill anybody) had on his Facebook page that he liked the game Mass Effect. Things predictably went to shit from there...

http://i.imgur.com/XMOgZ.png

Mass Effect, for those who don't know, is a game about a futuristic human soldier working stop an armada of sentient spaceships bent on destroying all life in the galaxy.

[R&S]

you can still get a good deal on some AR-15s with the existing posts on Gunbroker! The more recent posts are getting kinda high.

[Ashton]

So Ryan (the brother that didn't kill anybody) had on his Facebook page that he liked the game Mass Effect. Things predictably went to shit from there...

http://i.imgur.com/XMOgZ.png

Mass Effect, for those who don't know, is a game about a futuristic human soldier working stop an armada of sentient spaceships bent on destroying all life in the galaxy.

The war on video games...

[Madusa]

James Yeager went off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prS_QpGIB8Q
no wussy's

[Kraven251]

James Yeager went off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prS_QpGIB8Q
no wussy's

Doesn't he always?

[Teufelhund]

James Yeager went off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prS_QpGIB8Q
no wussy's

I've seen a lot of this guy's videos - he's hit or miss IMO.

I dig this one though: One of the comments below the Part 1 video tells Yeager the answer is not guns but Christ. One of Yeager's two responses: "The sins of the villain are between they and God. I am just trying to set up a meeting."

[DireWolf]

My prayers go out for all of the innocent children involved in this, and honestly it's had me seeing red all day.

One thing that I've already done was to contact the administrators at my daughter's elementary school and arranged to set up a meeting to discuss assessing and enhancing their defensive/response capabilities, as I've noted numerous deficiencies while dropping off/picking up and attending school events. Hopefully more people will demand the same from their school administrators and this will get some real traction. But the cost....horrible.

This can happen anywhere, and the current level of exposure at most schools, including our, sickens me....

[bogie]

Meanwhile at a school in Israel:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/30370_10151190086562613_53992669_n.jpg

Is that a bun in oven or a FUPA?

[sako55]

Just got in from work and trying to get caught up. Why the hell are these parents letting their kids be interviewed by reporters. WTF

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Just got in from work and trying to get caught up. Why the hell are these parents letting their kids be interviewed by reporters. WTF
[NoEvil]I have no idea. But if they can get their kids on TV??? Maybe, $$$ ?? That was wrong and I'm sorry!! I hope the family's can find some peace! BTW this whole thing is F*CKED in my opinion!

[One Shot]

Pier's Morgan is an F-in douche bag..

[DOC]

Is that a bun in oven or a FUPA?
What is a FUPA?

[car-15]

What is a FUPA?
the kangaroo pouch in the belly region lol

[DOC]

I googled that sh*t.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FUPA

[sneakerd]

I think the video games are a huge reason that these young men are doing all of this mass killing.

[BuffCyclist]

I think the video games are a huge reason that these young men are doing all of this mass killing.
Really? Then I must be playing video games incorrectly, or I guess I'm just a normal person who knows that video games are just that, video games. I play FPSs all the time and never, have I EVER, had the desire to shoot someone, let alone innocent defenseless children.

However, making note that most of the mass shootings are young men (or men in general) doing these mass killings, maybe we should just ban young men instead of guns. Because after all, they're the ones that are doing this, right?

[DOC]

I think the video games are a huge reason that these young men are doing all of this mass killing.
I don't think so. I play video games and I find it an outlet for frustrations. This guy did it just because he could. He seen that its been done before and nobody has armed the teachers or the students at college levels to stop it and thought it would be an easy mass shooting before he takes himself out. I hope he suffered.

[flan7211]

Vidjema games are rottin the minds of the chittlins.


Don't you blame anything other than this faggot for what happened. Objects, ideas, and backgrounds don't kill only assholes do.

[stevelkinevil]

I am not a video game guy, dont bother with them in general. HOWEVER those blaming games for things are frankly taking a silly left wing stance on this. Blaming things and not people is why we are left to fight for something we should never have to, our god given right to defend ourselves by whatever means necessary affirmed for us by our founding fathers.

[TFOGGER]

I have to wonder what the rampant over medication of our kids is doing. Adderal, ritalin, antidepressants... all being prescribed like M&Ms to children that are still developing their brains. Add to this a rampant failure of parents to instill any sort of moral compass, and you end up with sociopaths that have little in the way of impulse control.

[Zombie Steve]

Vidjema games are rottin the minds of the chittlins.




Let's not forget Ozzy and Judas Priest.

[stevelkinevil]

I have to wonder what the rampant over medication of our kids is doing. Adderal, ritalin, antidepressants... all being prescribed like M&Ms to children that are still developing their brains. Add to this a rampant failure of parents to instill any sort of moral compass, and you end up with sociopaths that have little in the way of impulse control.

Now this is a problem, one many lazy parents and teachers don't want to talk about, and much more likely to have a hand in events like this.

[sneakerd]

I get what Stevelkinevil says- I really do. I'm referring to younger people I guess. I think the mass murder and mass killing video games desensitize them to such mass violence.

[Adawg38]

I've played Man Hunt, Grand Theft Auto Vice City, Black, Assassins Creed, Call of Duty and all those games back in the day. Funny, I never once thought about or did any of the following: raping anyone, killing anyone or smashing anyone to see what they look like inside, wondered what it was like to eat someone ect ect. Blaming video games, music, guns for anything is retarded. I blame Justin Bieber! [fail]

[DOC]

Did the guy play doom? That was a mind bending game. Blaming video games is a stupid idea. Sorry but it is.

[gnihcraes]

I blame lack of Father, Grandfather, Responsible Adult Male figures in their lives. Lack of proper instruction, training of firearms and their purpose by said Father figures.

There is a cartoon at work that I cannot find on the internet, but everyone involved in a childs life today, which one is missing?:

Court Judge
Probation Officer
Social Worker
Police
Therapist
Corrections Officer
*responsible parent*

[sneakerd]

Did someone just call me a retard? [Peep]


[Pot]

[Ashton]

Did the guy play doom? That was a mind bending game. Blaming video games is a stupid idea. Sorry but it is.

This.

[sneakerd]

That's fine- we can agree to disagree. My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

[flan7211]

That's fine- we can agree to disagree. My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

All day I heard the vg argument. No offense brother.

[loveski]

I've played Man Hunt, Grand Theft Auto Vice City, Black, Assassins Creed, Call of Duty and all those games back in the day. Funny, I never once thought about or did any of the following: raping anyone, killing anyone or smashing anyone to see what they look like inside, wondered what it was like to eat someone ect ect. Blaming video games, music, guns for anything is retarded. I blame Justin Bieber! [fail]
I agree with this to a degree. While 99% of people are unaffected by violence in video games or movies (I play Call of Duty, etc.) there is a small group of people, the other 1%, who see and play these games and begin to exercise the ideas within their minds. Eventually these thoughts become actions. I'm not suggesting that video games are the only reason, nor that they be banned because of a small minority. It's a combination of several factors. But to think that the prevalence of violence in society plays no role in these atrocious acts is silly. Simply because you dont feel video games affects you does not mean the other 7 billion people in the world are the same way.

I believe it's a sort of "perfect storm" of violence in the media, increased stress in individuals lives, and the faccination that the media puts on these killers in todays society. Young, depressed individuals see this as a way to become famous and escape their current problems.

[th3w01f]

I have to agree somewhat with the video game angle. If you've ever put 500 hours into one of the FPS games (Battlefield, Call of Duty, etc) over a short period of time it starts to become part of your everyday life (seeing people in the shadows, tanks and helicopters in the distance). As an adult I know they're just games but as an adolescent I'm not sure it's as easy to separate real life from fiction.

Sure maybe I shouldn't have played 10 hours a day for 2 months but I know a lot of people who play a lot more than that.

Here's an example for those that havent played -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8gIOja-AFc

[sneakerd]

None taken!!!

[sneakerd]

Wow. I think 3wo1f just partly made my point. How can any young man play hours of that and not have it affect his train of thought?

[DOC]

There are back up forums.

[dwalker460]

Seriously??? Its a fucking video game that goes away if the power goes out or your mom doesnt pay your XBox live account for you.

Even trying to use such crap as a reason for this asshat to walk into a classroom of kindergarten age kids and open up is just... infuriating. Want to know what his problem was? Huh?? Me either, but it likely had something to do with a lack of personal responsibility, lack of character and a lack of appropriate ass-whoopins as a kid. Probably talked back to his parents and dis-respected every authority figure he ever met, but it doesnt matter because the nutcase killed kids. If he had not killed himself, someone gladly would have done it for him.

[Ridge]

Wow. I think 3wo1f just partly made my point. How can any young man play hours of that and not have it affect his train of thought?

I have:
22 Hours in Medal of Honor Warfighter
278.5 Hours in Battlefield 3
Several hundred hours in Battlefield 2
Probably close to 1000 hours in BF1942
Around 1100 hours in Call of Duty games
~50 hours in Counter Strike
107 hours in Grand Theft Auto
96 hours in Mass Effect
103 hours in Team Fortress 2
17 hours in Borderlands

I've probably killed enough characters to wipe this planet clean of life.

And yet I've never had an issue discerning reality from video games. Many of the hours listed are approximations as the games were not tracking my time.

That's a little over 3000 hours of games where I shoot people in the face.

[sneakerd]

Ridge- it appears to me that you have a problem. How much money could you have made -somehow-, by using that time more to your advantage? You're also an adult, not a 15 or so year old.

[Ridge]

Ridge- it appears to me that you have a problem. How much money could you have made -somehow-, by using that time more to your advantage? You're also an adult, not a 15 or so year old.

The time is accumulated over almost 10 years of FPS gaming. It's always been a way to relax after a stressful time. You have a hard week, you're feeling down. Sometimes it's nice to be able to take your anger out on an avatar of some guy 1000 miles away. You get to focus your rage on someone, release it on to them, and then the server loads a new map and the only thing that has changed is you are calmer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwuEQZg6Bo

[Ashton]

Ridge- it appears to me that you have a problem. How much money could you have made -somehow-, by using that time more to your advantage? You're also an adult, not a 15 or so year old.

Hmm fun is fun. You should do what you enjoy IMHO. Money will come if you do what you like to do.

[Adawg38]

Did someone just call me a retard? [Peep]


[Pot]

Not calling you retarded if that's what you are thinking....sorry. [Tooth]

[sneakerd]

I know man- just riding you a little. You have a hard day, feeling down. Got an idea for you!!! Go to the effing gym! Take your anger out on some dumb-bells.

[Ashton]

They did a study which I can't find right now but apparently it's something that's considered in fighter pilot selection now a days. People who played a lot of action / fps video games in their youth are a lot more adept at operating jets because their minds are already used to making quick decisions and assessing situations. Moral of the story being "conditioned" by a video game upped the mental aptitude of these individuals.

[sneakerd]

Does anyone notice the recent resurgence of the term "retard" on the forum? It's offensive.

[Ashton]

Here's a link to a study showing faster decision making. I can't find the actual jet link though. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100913121656.htm

[two shoes]

I have:
22 Hours in Medal of Honor Warfighter
278.5 Hours in Battlefield 3
Several hundred hours in Battlefield 2
Probably close to 1000 hours in BF1942
Around 1100 hours in Call of Duty games
~50 hours in Counter Strike
107 hours in Grand Theft Auto
96 hours in Mass Effect
103 hours in Team Fortress 2
17 hours in Borderlands

I've probably killed enough characters to wipe this planet clean of life.

And yet I've never had an issue discerning reality from video games. Many of the hours listed are approximations as the games were not tracking my time.

That's a little over 3000 hours of games where I shoot people in the face.

This may explain the Pony thing...

[th3w01f]

That's a little over 3000 hours of games where I shoot people in the face.

If you've never seen a plane or a speck in the distance and for an instant though it was an attack helicopter you're more well-adjusted than me.

I'm not saying that people can't actually discern the difference between what's real and what's a game. I do however think that if you're a piece of shit and life means nothing to you a few thousand hours of practice doesn't help the situation.

[Zundfolge]

While 99% of people are unaffected by violence in video games or movies (I play Call of Duty, etc.) there is a small group of people, the other 1%, who see and play these games and begin to exercise the ideas within their minds. Eventually these thoughts become actions.
Crazy and evil people are going to find motivation for crazy and evil acts in places where healthy minded folk find none. We don't come down on these things just because of a few broken minds.

Hell, Mark David Chapman said The Catcher In The Rye in part motivated the murder of John Lenin.

Charles Manson claimed he got his orders to kill people from The Beatles Helter Skelter.

Hinckley cited Taxi Driver as a motivation to shoot Reagan (I wonder how disappointed he was to find out Jody Foster was gay?)

[Ridge]

Hell, Mark David Chapman said The Catcher In The Rye in part motivated the murder of John Lenin.

Lenin
http://i.imgur.com/peTqE.jpg

Lennon
http://i.imgur.com/IrS0Y.jpg


This may explain the Pony thing...

Nah, that's a whole nother thing all together...

http://i.imgur.com/laskt.gif

[Zundfolge]

Lenin
http://i.imgur.com/peTqE.jpg

Lennon
http://i.imgur.com/IrS0Y.jpg


Stoopid Spel Chekc

[Ridge]

http://i.imgur.com/zanjK.jpg

[Atrain1]

I get what Stevelkinevil says- I really do. I'm referring to younger people I guess. I think the mass murder and mass killing video games desensitize them to such mass violence.I completely disagree with this as I did with music being blamed for suicides. I play all of those games and I am not exactly young but not old either, I still have not been desensitized nor has anyone I know or play with. I guess it really depends on the game as well, but my view on that and the music topic is it is an excuse for having a weak and easy influenced mind. I on the other hand do not disagree that they are designed to do so right along with TV and useless violence in movies.

[Atrain1]

I have:
22 Hours in Medal of Honor Warfighter
278.5 Hours in Battlefield 3
Several hundred hours in Battlefield 2
Probably close to 1000 hours in BF1942
Around 1100 hours in Call of Duty games
~50 hours in Counter Strike
107 hours in Grand Theft Auto
96 hours in Mass Effect
103 hours in Team Fortress 2
17 hours in Borderlands

I've probably killed enough characters to wipe this planet clean of life.

And yet I've never had an issue discerning reality from video games. Many of the hours listed are approximations as the games were not tracking my time.

That's a little over 3000 hours of games where I shoot people in the face.I agree with this except for the GTA games or any games like them as I do not like to play games with useless violence. I do play the COD games and just started in BF3 (that guy was stupid with that shotgun) and assassin's creed. I have hundreds of hours on my games as well and I have not been desensitized nor have I ever thought about hurting anyone.

[trlcavscout]

http://i.imgur.com/zanjK.jpg

Exactly!

[Geology Rocks]

Hickenlooper is making comments already.

[patrick0685]

I have:
22 Hours in Medal of Honor Warfighter
278.5 Hours in Battlefield 3
Several hundred hours in Battlefield 2
Probably close to 1000 hours in BF1942
Around 1100 hours in Call of Duty games
~50 hours in Counter Strike
107 hours in Grand Theft Auto
96 hours in Mass Effect
103 hours in Team Fortress 2
17 hours in Borderlands

I've probably killed enough characters to wipe this planet clean of life.

And yet I've never had an issue discerning reality from video games. Many of the hours listed are approximations as the games were not tracking my time.

That's a little over 3000 hours of games where I shoot people in the face.

i have not quite that many but close the most important stat:
3782308238 times someone has done unspeakable things to my mother

[Ridge]

Hickenlooper is making comments already.

Hickenlooper said on Thursday that now is the time to talk about it. Then this happened.

[Ridge]

i have not quite that many but close the most important stat:
3782308238 times someone has done unspeakable things to my mother

[ROFL1]

[Geology Rocks]

Hickenlooper said on Thursday that now is the time to talk about it. Then this happened.

Correct, but he said new things as a result of todays events.

[buffalobo]

Exactly.
I dont want my kids brainwashed by a bunch of liberal teachers.
I dont want to have to feel like my children are not safe.
I dont want my kids to be exposed to certain things at certain times of their development.

I want to teach my children.
I want to provide security for my children.
I want to expose my children to age appropriate things, when I say. Not when some liberal bureaucrat says to.


You are a good man and a better father. If all fathers would care for their kids and families in such a manner, our country would be what the founders intended. [Beer] Thank you.

[BuffCyclist]

Why is it that during the Aurora shooting, and other mass shootings, every media outlet was saying "the alleged shooter blah blah blah" but in this case, it is just plain old "the shooter blah blah blah"?

Do we use a different tense to talk about someone in this scenario who shot and killed people but lived, versus shot and killed people and took their own life?

[BREATHER]

One guy said back on page 18 that he plays violent video games to relieve his frustrations... Why doesn't he just play guitar hero or go outside and excercise.... some of the things said on here can be construde as bullshit fodder for the tards out there....

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Why is it that during the Aurora shooting, and other mass shootings, every media outlet was saying "the alleged shooter blah blah blah" but in this case, it is just plain old "the shooter blah blah blah"?

Do we use a different tense to talk about someone in this scenario who shot and killed people but lived, versus shot and killed people and took their own life?

There won't be a trial when the douche bag is dead.

So yes, we do use different words. Nature of the beast. Innocent until proven guilty.

If the guy is dead, we don't have trial so we have nothing to prove.

[BREATHER]

Now they're saying the assmonkey shooter had a (in a whiny voice) a personality disorder... OK I guess being a sick fuck is a disorder...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Now they're saying the assmonkey shooter had a (in a whiny voice) a personality disorder... OK I guess being a sick fuck is a disorder...

He had a form of Autism...

[Ridge]

One guy said back on page 18 that he plays violent video games to relieve his frustrations... Why doesn't he just play guitar hero or go outside and excercise.... some of the things said on here can be construde as bullshit fodder for the tards out there....

That was me, on the previous page. As well as a couple other members. We play violent video games, and we don't take our firearms and go shooting people. The video games are the outlet.

Seriously, what do you view as the greater challenge? A high score on Freebird, or a high score rescuing hostages from terrorists?

[Great-Kazoo]

He had a form of Autism...

AND Everyone who knew the kid IGNORED ISSUES. LIKE the Aurora shooter SOMEONE was / is more concerned about the patients rights and "privacy" instead of the safety of the general public. I strongly support patient/Dr. privilege. WITH THAT BEING SAID When prior .mil (read: anglos) are considered to have the potential for "domestic terrorism" association with hate groups (words of the .gov) and want America to "keep an eye out" YET blatantly ignore things when the treating physician is more concerned about their own reputation and do nothing, we have a serious problem.
The psyc for the movie shooter NEVER followed up with LE regarding the status of her patient. In cases of public safety to one self or the general public the Physician is covered regarding client privilege. After all, if one of us were to tell a Dr. I XXX society, the swat team would be at our house before we got home from the doc's.

SLIPPERY SLOPE Most definitely However There has never been a gray area with dems / liberals when it comes to our guns. But the touchy feely mind set will protect their own at any & all cost. This is how shootings like we saw friday happen.

[tmleadr03]

I think the video games are a huge reason that these young men are doing all of this mass killing.

I think you are high. I understand the theory that the video games cause people to be desensitized to killing by repeatedly doing so in a game. But here is the thing. I hang out with quite a few gun owners who play these FPS games and they are not going to go on a shooting rampage. And if playing a game is going to desensitize you, doing the real thing and actually shooting people and killing people should make you a heartless killer well beyond what a game does to your mental well being. I hang out with people who have a high body counts on a regular basis. And not in some game but in real life. They own guns. They have killed people in real life. They are not likely to go on some shooting rampage.

[cstone]

I suggest that we outlaw black military gear, including load bearing vests, and mental illness. [facepalm]

[DavieD55]

AND Everyone who knew the kid IGNORED ISSUES. LIKE the Aurora shooter SOMEONE was / is more concerned about the patients rights and "privacy" instead of the safety of the general public. I strongly support patient/Dr. privilege. WITH THAT BEING SAID When prior .mil (read: anglos) are considered to have the potential for "domestic terrorism" association with hate groups (words of the .gov) and want America to "keep an eye out" YET blatantly ignore things when the treating physician is more concerned about their own reputation and do nothing, we have a serious problem.
The psyc for the movie shooter NEVER followed up with LE regarding the status of her patient. In cases of public safety to one self or the general public the Physician is covered regarding client privilege. After all, if one of us were to tell a Dr. I XXX society, the swat team would be at our house before we got home from the doc's.

SLIPPERY SLOPE Most definitely However There has never been a gray area with dems / liberals when it comes to our guns. But the touchy feely mind set will protect their own at any & all cost. This is how shootings like we saw friday happen.

So what do you do when your Liberal anti-gun doctor thinks you're a nutjob since you go deer hunting or shooting at the range on your day off?

[Ridge]

So what do you do when your Liberal anti-gun doctor thinks you're a nutjob since you go deer hunting or shooting at the range on your day off?

Same thing you do whenever you disagree with your doctor. You get a second opinion.

[BREATHER]

I actually get more satisfaction with "Inna Godda Da Vida"" LOLOLOLOL... WHat is a grown ass man doing sitting around his mothers basement playing video games anyhow....

And all your pals with all those body counts gotta be watched also... Ever hear about a disorder called PTSD,,, It is a mental disorder and quite frankly one of them could snap any minute....

[Mtn.man]

Never had video games, never had time for them. Too much outdoors to see.
Cars to build bikes to build, etc.
Life is short if you sit on your ass playing games all day it's even shorter.

[loveski]

Crazy and evil people are going to find motivation for crazy and evil acts in places where healthy minded folk find none. We don't come down on these things just because of a few broken minds.

Hell, Mark David Chapman said The Catcher In The Rye in part motivated the murder of John Lenin.

Charles Manson claimed he got his orders to kill people from The Beatles Helter Skelter.

Hinckley cited Taxi Driver as a motivation to shoot Reagan (I wonder how disappointed he was to find out Jody Foster was gay?)

I completely agree. There is no cure-all to madness. My only point was to say that there is a small group within the population that is indeed affected by violence. To deny that is foolish. There are some here that say "well it doesn't affect me so it shouldn't affect anyone else."

[Mtn.man]

And then we have the wonderful media, they sensationalize the event. Crazies identify with the perp and want to exceed his actions.
What he wore what he carried how he lived, blah blah.
And they cannot let the victims rest in peace they have to remind you about Columbine, Platte canyon, and so on.

If you are a nut job you relish in this attention.

Outlaw insanity.

"It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry"

[Ridge]

And then we have the wonderful media, they sensationalize the event. Crazies identify with the perp and want to exceed his actions.
What he wore what he carried how he lived, blah blah.
And they cannot let the victims rest in peace they have to remind you about Columbine, Platte canyon, and so on.

If you are a nut job you relish in this attention.

Outlaw insanity.

"It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I blame lack of accountability. Each generation has something the other generation before them blames for all the bad shit that happened. Sneakerd do you blame the kent state shootings in 1970 on video games as well? Or the University of texas at austin in 1966? Yes mass shootings are happening way more often than they should and needs to stop. We need accountability. The screwed up part is this, the 50-60 something blame all the 20 something's... Who raised the 20 something's? The problem is no ACCOUNTABILITY, and too many excuses.

Disclaimer: I'm not blaming anyone reading this article for any of the horrible things associated with this thread.

[Teufelhund]

And then we have the wonderful media, they sensationalize the event. Crazies identify with the perp and want to exceed his actions.
What he wore what he carried how he lived, blah blah.
And they cannot let the victims rest in peace they have to remind you about Columbine, Platte canyon, and so on.

If you are a nut job you relish in this attention.

Outlaw insanity.

"It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry"

That song has been stuck in my head for the last two days. Goddamn vultures.

[dwalker460]

here is no cure-all to madness.


Yes there is. Its called death and its natural, permanent and bio-degradable. The best part is that under the right circumstances, its virtually free. But wait, theres more!
If we act now, we can put the insane and mad out of thier misery and spare them a tortured existence, with the BONUS of helping to ensure public safety.
Yes its true that one day we might find a cure for violent mental offenders, it is equally as true that we have very little understanding of the human brain and how it works. We may never find a cure for violent mentally ill folk, and holding them prisoner is just not right, so the answer, no matter how much you hate it, is death.

[car-15]

he was turned down to buy a rifle, because he did not want to wait, or get a background check ran, those gun laws really worked this time.....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15926718-newtown-gunman-tried-to-buy-rifle-days-before-shooting?lite
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208344
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

[HoneyBadger]

I suggest that we outlaw black military gear, including load bearing vests, and mental illness. [facepalm]

lol Exactly! As if outlawing mental illness, would prevent these guys from having problems... Some people just don't get it.. I'm glad you do.

Also, you get a huge thumbs up for being a good father and educating, protecting, and mentoring your children like all fathers should. [Beer]

[DOC]

One guy said back on page 18 that he plays violent video games to relieve his frustrations... Why doesn't he just play guitar hero or go outside and excercise.... some of the things said on here can be construde as bullshit fodder for the tards out there....If you were referring to me. I didn't say I play violent games exclusively. I play all kinds. Sims 3, Guitar Hero and others like Mario Bros. But I find them childish and easy to beat.
"Give me problems, give me work, my mind rebels from stagnation." Sherlock Holmes

[stevelkinevil]

Anyone else find it odd that at first it was Pistols, then it was pistols but an AR was found in his car, and now the AR was used and did all the damage?

[sniper7]

This may explain the Pony thing...

[ROFL3]

yep....even worse that it was logged time!

[BuffCyclist]

Anyone else find it odd that at first it was Pistols, then it was pistols but an AR was found in his car, and now the AR was used and did all the damage?

I agree. It makes me question if an AR was even involved or the media is just spreading fear by saying he used an assault rifle [facepalm]

[gnihcraes]

I just found this on facebook, and I can only assume it's legit, but I like it regardless.

TURN OFF THE NEWS.......

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine?
Disturbedpeople who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

[spittoon]

I agree. It makes me question if an AR was even involved or the media is just spreading fear by saying he used an assault rifle [facepalm]

from day one they said the rifle was in the trunk of the car wtf

[jerrymrc]

from day one they said the rifle was in the trunk of the car wtf

Now they are saying that he just shot his way in and that with an Assault Rifle it is easy to just make your own entrance.[Bang]

[buffalobo]

Now they are saying that he just shot his way in and that with an Assault Rifle it is easy to just make your own entrance.[Bang]

Just saw this as well, national network news/talk show.[Bang]

[BREATHER]

From several posts I have read on here, it would appear that there is no grasp of what mental illness is. I am not here to explain it, you will have to look it up yourselves. Research it. The pros like to say it is like any other physical ailment. I have problems with my arteries, Do I want to go out and shoot someone,,, the answer is hell no. The question one has to ask is .... is being mentally ill make you evil or is being evil mentally ill......

With these younger assholes that are going out and killing people how is their behavior not noticed?? In my current job I base alot of decisions based on observations. Take the Columbine issue... Where were the fucking parents ????

Then there is the fact that the media glorifies these assholes, they give the sick fucks what they want... ATTENTION...Why ,, because their making a buck is more important than the problem...

Back to glorifying assholes.. When the Colombine "memorial" was built, what did that cost? a couple of millions dollars??? Would'nt that couple of millions dollars have bought a whole lot of parental education..educating parents and the public what to look out for... I wrote a letter to the editor in the Post with that question and was published,,, where did the question go?? nowhere with the public, because it was the truth. Colorado now has a rock wall that tells all the other sick shits, look you go out and do something catastrophic and we will imortilize you..

[Byte Stryke]

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/14/the-federal-government-is-guilty-accomplice-in-school-shooting-in-newtown-connecticut/

This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere.

[StagLefty]

I lost it last night when Emilie's father was on TV and then they listed the kid's names and ages. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim's families today.

[HoneyBadger]

I just found this on facebook, and I can only assume it's legit, but I like it regardless.

TURN OFF THE NEWS.......

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine?
Disturbedpeople who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."


So you know, Snopes is saying this is unconfirmed and probably written by someone else, then they put Morgan Freeman's name on it to give it gravity. I posted this on facebook, then I had someone call me out for it.

Edit: here is the snopes link: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

[Fmedges]

As I was watching tv the other day I had the same thought. The media sure does sensationalize the hell out of this stuff and it makes me sick.

[BuffCyclist]

from day one they said the rifle was in the trunk of the car wtf


Now they are saying that he just shot his way in and that with an Assault Rifle it is easy to just make your own entrance.[Bang]

Yes, I noticed that too. Now they're saying he only used the two pistols to shoot his mother and finally himself. The rifle was used entirely in the school and he ALSO had a shotgun in the trunk of his car. Where the heck is the shotgun coming from?!

They are also shocked and wonder HOW he was able to acquire so many high capacity magazines for his assault rifle [facepalm]and so many factory magazines for his two pistols. 30rd rifle magazines are NOT high capacity, they are STANDARD capacity. Sure, in comparison to pistol mags, they have a HIGHER capacity, but they aren't like the Surefire or whatever brand 60 round mags, or the beta mag drums. If he had fewer, 10rd mags, he would have just bought a vest to carry the extra mags and just keep reloading. Makes me think we'll see a ban on high capacity mags and also makes me want to go buy as many PMags as I can afford, in all of the rainbow colors, just because. If nothing else, I'll be set with magazines for multiple rifles!