2A- and 10A-friendly auto shops in C Springs?

[Aloha_Shooter]

So in the wake of Obama's reelection, I've decided to rehab my current 13-year-old convertible rather than buy a new model. I don't really like the body lines or pricetags of newer models and I'm just not willing to purchase from Government Motors or Chrysler right now anyway. I also prefer to do business with a shop that's 2A- and 10A-friendly (i.e., if I see a single Obama bumper sticker in the owner/employee parking lot, I'm driving out).

My Sebring needs new leather upholstery, cloth roof and could stand to renew the paint job. Only one dent that I care about so while appreciate the craftsmanship some shops put into their work, it's not something I want to spend a ton of money on. Bill would be paid in cashier's or personal check -- this isn't an insurance job, really just wanting to replace the scuffed leather, worn foam and frayed roof edges.

Any recommendations in C Springs?

[dwalker460]

Not in the Springs, but I can help you in Denver.Spent a lot of years in restoration, and have the resources up here for a solid job at a decent price. And yeah, I am ummm.... more than 2A friendly.

[bigmyk2k]

Was just browsing through the Ammendment pages on Wikipedia, and saw this quote on 10A, which I think you'll appreciate,

"After the Constitution was ratified, some wanted to add a similar amendment limiting the federal government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States) to powers "expressly" delegated, which would have denied implied powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_powers). However, the word "expressly" ultimately did not appear in the Tenth Amendment as ratified, and therefore the Tenth Amendment did not reject the powers implied by the Necessary and Proper Clause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_and_Proper_Clause)."

Well, that was an unfortunate oversight.

[Flatline]

I also prefer to do business with a shop that's 2A- and 10A-friendly (i.e., if I see a single Obama bumper sticker in the owner/employee parking lot, I'm driving out)?

So just to be clear, they also can't be 1A friendly? (They won't allow employees to put a bumper sticker of their choice on their car)

[streetglideok]

I know aspen auto clinic is pretty 2A friendly from everything I've heard, or at least some of their locations are, but thats general auto repair.

[ben4372]

(i.e., if I see a single Obama bumper sticker in the owner/employee parking lot, I'm driving out).

I have an O'bummer sticker on my truck. Keeps the neighbors guessing, and it is funny. I made the choice to quit putting pro 2nd amendment stickers on too. NRA life member. Or a guy might be driving his mom's car.

[Aloha_Shooter]

So just to be clear, they also can't be 1A friendly? (They won't allow employees to put a bumper sticker of their choice on their car) How do you get that? You're always free to express your opinion and I'm free to take my dollars elsewhere if that opinion offends me. Anyone who supported Obama doesn't need my trade.

[Flatline]

How do you get that? You're always free to express your opinion and I'm free to take my dollars elsewhere if that opinion offends me. Anyone who supported Obama doesn't need my trade.

You said that you would leave if you saw a obama sticker in the owner/employee parking lot. This means that you think that employers either shouldn't hire people who support a different political opinion or that the employer should tell his employees not to place obama stickers on their car (which both would limit the employees free speech or be an invasive application question).

The above states how you would not be supporting people's first amendment rights, which I found ironic since you want to go to a place that strongly supports the second and tenth amendments. I guess I assumed that you wanted a place that supported the constitution but what you wanted was a place that supports parts of the constitution (and not others), that my bad.

[dwalker460]

His right to do business with whomever he chooses. If he went over and ripped off the Obama sticker, thats a possible free speech violation. If he sees the sticker on the car in the parking lot, turns around and drives away, thats probably just sound judgement, but in any case its his freedom to choose.
Liberal sonsofbitches quite often whine about representations of Conservatism in public- like the Bible or religious items, 2A stickers on the front window, etc. and often publicly boycott or otherwise harass such businesses.

[Flatline]

His right to do business with whomever he chooses. If he went over and ripped off the Obama sticker, thats a possible free speech violation. If he sees the sticker on the car in the parking lot, turns around and drives away, thats probably just sound judgement, but in any case its his freedom to choose.
Liberal sonsofbitches quite often whine about representations of Conservatism in public- like the Bible or religious items, 2A stickers on the front window, etc. and often publicly boycott or otherwise harass such businesses.

How about you go ahead and read what I actually said. I did not accuse him of violating the first amendment nor did I say to not boycott a business based on how employees have exercised their first amendment rights. I am simply saying that doing business based on how employees use their first amendment rights does not support of the first amendment.

[Aloha_Shooter]

How about you go ahead and read what I actually said. I did not accuse him of violating the first amendment nor did I say to not boycott a business based on how employees have exercised their first amendment rights. I am simply saying that doing business based on how employees use their first amendment rights does not support of the first amendment.

Mmmm ... no. You're making the same mistake so many liberals do, assuming that I have to support YOUR opinion to be in favor of free speech. Everyone has the same freedom to say what they want, put what they want on their car (subject limitations already espoused by the SCOTUS like not shouting "Fire" in a movie theater when there isn't one). They do NOT have the right to mandate I pay for their speech. I maintain the Obama administration has proven its hostility to the 2d and 10th Amendments repeatedly so display of support for said administration is prima facie evidence the shop is NOT 2A- and 10A-friendly.

[68Charger]

It sounds to me like you'd appreciate if they exercise their 1A right, that way you'll know what shop to avoid... saves the trouble of interviewing the management and employees.

Infringing on it would be removing the stickers with a blowtorch because it offends you.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

[dwalker460]

you might guess my shop is 2A friendly from the reloading presses, boxes of ammo, and gun parts on the workbenches, but maybe I should resort to bumper stickers...

[Flatline]

Mmmm ... no. You're making the same mistake so many liberals do, assuming that I have to support YOUR opinion to be in favor of free speech. Everyone has the same freedom to say what they want, put what they want on their car (subject limitations already espoused by the SCOTUS like not shouting "Fire" in a movie theater when there isn't one). They do NOT have the right to mandate I pay for their speech. I maintain the Obama administration has proven its hostility to the 2d and 10th Amendments repeatedly so display of support for said administration is prima facie evidence the shop is NOT 2A- and 10A-friendly.

I'm not talking about the owner. YOU stated that if the EMPLOYEES had an obama sticker that you wouldn't go there. Since you can't fire someone for voting or supporting obama, then the owner would have had to told his employees that they cannot put obama stickers on their cars that they park at work. THAT would be the infringement of the the first amendment that you would want. (it would not be illegal for a employer to tell employees not to put political stickers on their cars if they are going to park them on company property)

The only think you are maintaining is a lack of reading comprehension or an IQ under 70 since this is the second time I've explained this to you, but somehow you still think that I'm telling you where to shop rather than explain why your opinion does not support the first amendment.


Infringing on it would be removing the stickers with a blowtorch because it offends you.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

Infringing on someones rights and not supporting them is not the same thing.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

[dwalker460]

Since you can't fire someone for voting or supporting obama, then the owner would have had to told his employees that they cannot put obama stickers on their cars that they park at work. THAT would be the infringement of the the first amendment that you would want. (it would not be illegal for a employer to tell employees not to put political stickers on their cars if they are going to park them on company property).


Actually I CAN fire someone for voting for Obama, or being a Liberal, or pretty much anything I want to. Right to work state....

Also I CAN also prohibit political messages etc. on MY PROPERTY, so I could in fact require someone to not bring an Obama sticker on my property, on a car or not.

Just curious but are YOU a Liberal?

ETA-

Now you got me started, I just cant stop-

I no longer do businesses with two companies that refused to clarify their position in the last election. I changed salesmen at my last vendor because they one they gave me was a liberal chickenshit motherfucker with anti-gun, tax the wealthy, and other assorted BS ready to spew at a moments notice. Fortunately his manager was smarter than he was, and assigned me a salesperson interested in making money.

I have no reason, motivation, or REQUIREMENT to do business with anyone, for any damned reason. If I dont LIKE YOU, for no other reason than your face disagrees with me, I may not do business with you and that is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT. So STFU and take your pretentious crap somewhere else. I CAN be racist if I want to be, I dont HAVE to be equal opportunity anything. I DONT HAVE to employee anyone I dont want to. Now, I HAVE employeed gays, and Mexican/black folk/coloured/African American or whatever you want to call them, and I likely will again. BUT I DONT HAVE TO.
Dumbass liberal sonsofbitches have nothing better to do than try and tell everyone what THEY HAVE TO DO. I dont. They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

[Flatline]

Actually I CAN fire someone for voting for Obama, or being a Liberal, or pretty much anything I want to. Right to work state....

Not quite, who you vote for is not public so you would be firing someone for telling you that they voted for obama. If they refused to tell you and you fired them then you would get sued out of your mind and loose your business.


Also I CAN also prohibit political messages etc. on MY PROPERTY, so I could in fact require someone to not bring an Obama sticker on my property, on a car or not.

Its almost like that is exactly what I said! Where did I say that you couldn't?


Just curious but are YOU a Liberal?

Why do you care what I am? Did I blindly vote for romney and follow the republican party's opinion on every social opinion? What do you think?



ETA-

Now you got me started, I just cant stop-

I no longer do businesses with two companies that refused to clarify their position in the last election. I changed salesmen at my last vendor because they one they gave me was a liberal chickenshit motherfucker with anti-gun, tax the wealthy, and other assorted BS ready to spew at a moments notice. Fortunately his manager was smarter than he was, and assigned me a salesperson interested in making money.

I have no reason, motivation, or REQUIREMENT to do business with anyone, for any damned reason. If I dont LIKE YOU, for no other reason than your face disagrees with me, I may not do business with you and that is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT. So STFU and take your pretentious crap somewhere else. I CAN be racist if I want to be, I dont HAVE to be equal opportunity anything. I DONT HAVE to employee anyone I dont want to. Now, I HAVE employeed gays, and Mexican/black folk/coloured/African American or whatever you want to call them, and I likely will again. BUT I DONT HAVE TO.
Dumbass liberal sonsofbitches have nothing better to do than try and tell everyone what THEY HAVE TO DO. I dont. They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

God gave you the right with who you do business with? Where was that in the bible? It must have been next to where Jesus said to cloth the naked and feed the hungry, that liberal that he was trying to help everyone. What a fool I was to think that right was given by the government.

It's a good thing that your such a good christian and ethical man being willing to hiring those who are less than you, those sinners. I'm sure that that will get you through the golden gates.


They are the party of NO and YOU WILL OBEY, while us Conservatives dont give a fuck what you do, just dont bother me while you do it.

So you supported the legalization of marijuana, gay marriage, and the election of the president by majority?
Well the last one probably bothers you, but fuck the majority, am i right?

[dwalker460]

Well, yanno, sinse you brought it up-

I dont care who marries who and never have, just like every other Republican I have talked to. We just dont want to PAY FOR IT.

I also dont give a Rats ass about you smoking pot, again, I dont want to pay for it and I dont want to have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Also, GOD gave me the FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which oddly includes every choice I make, including whom I hire and fire, who I do business with, and pretty much everything else I do that does not break the Ten Commandments. Hence it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT, and no amount of denial by you, the Liberal press/media/etc.will change that. I do not HAVE to be a good person, I CHOOSE to be one. What did you choose to be?

You might want to at least Google and read a bit before you make statements based on someone elses rhetoric.

Also, YOU are a fool to believe that any RIGHTS are given to you by a Government. Sad, truly sad, way of thinking.

[Sharpienads]

Wow, and I almost didn't read this thread...

[Flatline]

Well, yanno, sinse you brought it up-

I dont care who marries who and never have, just like every other Republican I have talked to. We just dont want to PAY FOR IT.

I also dont give a Rats ass about you smoking pot, again, I dont want to pay for it and I dont want to have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Also, GOD gave me the FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which oddly includes every choice I make, including whom I hire and fire, who I do business with, and pretty much everything else I do that does not break the Ten Commandments. Hence it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT, and no amount of denial by you, the Liberal press/media/etc.will change that. I do not HAVE to be a good person, I CHOOSE to be one. What did you choose to be?

You might want to at least Google and read a bit before you make statements based on someone elses rhetoric.

Also, YOU are a fool to believe that any RIGHTS are given to you by a Government. Sad, truly sad, way of thinking.

How would you be paying for anything with gay marriage that you wouldn't have for straight marriage?

You do realize that there is more to being a good christian that the ten commandments right? Jesus feed the hungry, clothed the naked, healed the sick, and sheltered the poor. As the son of God Jesus could have been anything during his coming but he choose to be poor. He was poor but he helped everyone. He was hated but he loved everyone. He was trespassed on but forgave every one.

Have you done these things? Do you love the beggars on the street or the drug dealers on the corner? Have you forgiven the sins of the aurora or newtown shooter?

Do you think that the republican party is the party of God?

[68Charger]

Wow, now this is derailed into a discussion about gay marriage? unless it's in reference to 10A, I see this as a typical left-wing distraction technique- strike 1


The only think you are maintaining is a lack of reading comprehension or an IQ under 70 since this is the second time I've explained this to you, but somehow you still think that I'm telling you where to shop rather than explain why your opinion does not support the first amendment.

Losing an argument, so you resort to namecalling (IQ of 70 is just above moron in the definition)- strike 2



Infringing on someones rights and not supporting them is not the same thing.

See the difference? It's a bit more than a subtle one...

Either you're re-stating what I said, or you're just too ambiguous in your answer for me to determine...
are you implying that I must support the CONTENT of the speech?
I can't imagine that's what you mean, because that would be a clear violation of my civil rights...

if you mean do I not support them putting bumper stickers on their car, advertising their political views for all to see?
The first part of my post (which you failed to quote, did you read it?) showed that I support their right, it helps all to know who they're dealing with

But you think that I should support them, no matter what their views are? so I should give donations to planned parenthood, even though I disagree with the indiscriminate killing of unborn children?

It is fully part of everyone's right to disagree with free speech- the CONTENT, not the ACT.
so your telling me that I'm not supporting their 1A rights because I don't support them with my choices of action (spending my money) is pushing your views upon me, and a violation of my rights- strike 3

I'm ready to push the "ignore" button on you, Flatline... do you think that a violation of your 1A rights?

[Aloha_Shooter]

It sounds to me like you'd appreciate if they exercise their 1A right, that way you'll know what shop to avoid... saves the trouble of interviewing the management and employees.

Yes, I DO appreciate vendors expressing their 1A rights; these days, it helps me determine where I want to shop. Flatline and I just aren't going to agree on his view of the 1A and I just don't feel like mud-wrestling with the pig. Getting back to my original question, anyone have any recommendations for 2A- and 10A-friendly shops in C Springs?

I probably would appreciate dwalker's shop but Aurora's a trifle inconvenient even if I didn't mind going that close to Denver.

[dwalker460]

We have a wrecker service ;)

I just did an engine build and some other work on one of the owners of Armory Parts Exchange RX-8, and they are from c-springs. They just sent the car up, then came and retrieved it when it was ready. I have actually never met them, they just sent payment as required.