We are our own worse enemy

[Great-Kazoo]

Here's a tidbit i C&P from the denver compost this morning. Unfortunately there is the fudd mentality running rampant among gun owners. Those who fell as this "gentleman" do will sell us down the river faster than a Fast & Furious straw purchase.
"Willing to Give up Some of the Freedoms" Kiss your ass good by.





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This is not partisan for sensible people. I'm a hunter and have guns for that purpose. I will gladly give up some freedoms to protect future generations from senseless gun violence. Yes, anything can be made a weapon. But semi automatics and handguns are for killing people- period.

It is a patriots duty to defend his country, and sometimes that means sacrificing some of the freedoms we enjoy that put others like these innocent children at risk. I am all for mental health screening, new licensing, whatever it takes- this has to stop and I for one am (to use the classic NRA propaganda I was bombarded with during election time) : "ALL IN".

[Mtn.man]

Another blind idiot .

Hey all those people behind that Big fence must be getting something good, I want in.

[fitz19d]

Had to resist blowing up on a new hire in for training at shift change. She Had the balls to walk in and proudly proclaim I'm a hunter but people shouldn't have assault weapons... Stupid stupid... (And that's all I'll say lest it come back on me.)

[Mtn.man]

Have one as well on another forum.

"I am a liberal who hunts, but assualt rifles and handguns are for only killing people. I am all for banning these weapons, hunting rifles and shotguns serve a purpose these don't."

Whoosh wtf your 06 cannot kill a person?

[Zundfolge]

Another blind idiot

Or just a troll.

9 times out of 10 when I see those "I own guns but I support sensible gun control" or "I hunt but I don't like assault weapons" posts I suspect the posters are not gun owners, not hunters and are just anti gun liberals pushing the lie that "sportsmen" are ok with gun control.

[Bailey Guns]

I was just about to start a thread about this very article in the Post. Instead, I wrote a lengthy response to the editor, to Tom and Caren Teves and to the idiot Tom Mauser (who always seems to pop up in gun control discussions). I'm posting my long response here. Read it if you care to:


RE: Gun law debate intensifies; shooting victims' families unite


I’m finding it difficult not to respond to the ridiculous statements made by Tom Teves and his wife Caren on the same emotional, arrogant, ignorant and illogical level from which they speak.


Tom states:

"Not every bozo should be able to get a gun. You can't give me a good reason to have an automatic weapon. If you can't shoot a deer with one bullet and kill it, then you're not a sportsman."
And:
"When are you, Mr. President, going to do something? Nobody, unless you're in that club, should talk. It's the worst club in the world, and it has the highest dues."

Caren basically echoes those statements in her plea to President Obama and Congress:

"Mr. President, Congress, WE WANT A SAFER NATION."


Well, Tom and Caren, let me first state that I’m not a member of that club. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for you and the other family members of victims of violence. I won’t pretend to know what you’re going through.

However, being a victim of violence in no way empowers you to have the sole voice in speaking out. It’s not enough that you want to restrict the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun-owners. Now you want to take away the First Amendment rights of others, too.

I have a son who’s left home six times to serve in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. Fortunately, he’s returned home safely each time and I thank God for that. But there are thousands of other families who haven’t been so fortunate with those they’ve sent off to war. Their sons and daughters willingly sacrificed everything so you and Caren can spout your nonsense. What about those families, Tom? Do they not have the right to speak out on this issue? I served in the military for fourteen years and as a law enforcement officer for almost as long. Do I, and other veterans like me, not have the right to speak on this issue because you lost someone to violence?

I have news for you, Tom. You don’t own exclusive rights to victimhood because violence has touched your family.

And I’m sick and tired of you, Caren, Tom Mauser and others who think like you constantly looking for knee-jerk solutions to problems that exist only in your uninformed minds.

Your ignorance on the subject of guns and gun violence is mind-boggling. Legally acquired “automatic” weapons are highly regulated and have been used in only two crimes of which I’m aware since the 1934 National Firearms Act was signed into law. So, obviously you’re talking about semi-automatic firearms.

It’s annoying and frustrating to have to listen to people like you and Tom Mauser every time a tragedy like this happens. All of the gun laws in the world are not going to prevent these things regardless of how much you want to restrict my right to not only own guns but to speak in response to your emotional rhetoric. It’s annoying but I don’t call for you to be silenced as though you have no right to speak out. Those who perpetuate these crimes are already breaking various laws…laws that didn’t stop them from committing their horrific acts. That’s why we call them criminals.

And stop with the “you don’t need automatic guns for hunting” platitudes. Hunting has nothing to do with the Second Amendment and you only make yourself sound foolish and uninformed by parroting that old, worn-out stupidity. Not to mention noone uses an “automatic” gun for hunting.

I noticed the Denver Post had to bring up the obligatory reference to the infamous “assault rifle” in this report. An “assault rifle” that wasn’t used in the crimes at the school. An “assault rifle” that was found in the gunman’s car…not “assaulting” anyone.

A United States Department of Justice study on the effectiveness of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban found these types of guns were used in a very small percentage of gun crime and that the ban had virtually no effect on gun violence. The cities in this country with the highest incidence of gun violence frequently have the strictest laws against possession of guns. The only thing gun control accomplishes is to ensure there are more innocent victims of gun violence because it takes away the best means for most people to defend themselves.

It’s estimated that gun owners lawfully use guns to protect themselves or someone else over two million times per year against violence. That number is far higher than the number of times a gun is used in a crime.

Furthermore, semi-automatic versions of military-style rifles and semi-automatic handguns are exactly the types of guns that law-abiding civilians should own and learn to effectively use in order to best protect themselves and their families from violent criminals. And these are exactly the types of guns that the American people should have to defend their way of life against potential tyrants in government. You may look at the three hundred million guns in the hands of American citizens as a problem. I see it not only as a means of protection but as insurance for the People against a government out of control. This, by the way, was part of the reason the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment.

You do yourself and your lost loved one a disservice when you call for restricting the rights of others not only to have a gun for protection of themselves and their loved ones but to speak out against the violence in our society.

Unfortunately you, your wife and Tom Mauser aren’t the only family members of victims out there. And there will be others. I refuse to allow you and the likes of Mauser to continually chip away at the right of me and my family to possess the best tools available to defend ourselves against the type of person who brought violence to your family. You need to come to grips with the fact that bad things happen to good people all the time and it can’t always be prevented or foreseen.

The left’s worn out calls for “gun safety”, “common sense gun laws” and “reasonable restrictions” have nothing to do with safety, common sense or reason. They have everything to do with control.

[Ridge]

I quickly responded to the guy jim posted:


It sounds to me like you are not giving up anything at all. You are expecting other shooters to give things up so you can keep on as you were.

[Trigger]

Bravo on the reply.

[cstone]

Excellent response.

Some people are swift to give up what they are not using to get what they want, even when that means they are taking from someone else.

[Scanker19]

I support sensible gun control. Sometimes I use a bench rest.

[cofi]

i have to constantly remind people that the 2a has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.....

[dwalker460]

Well since you brought it up-

After the AWB in 94, the number of violent crimes using actual assault weapons aquired illegally- rose. The North Hollywood Shootout, which showcased how ineffective the police weapons and training at the time were- happened in 1997, just three years after the AWB went into effect, and all of the weapons used were illegally obtained. The Washington Sniper? Yeah, illegal weapon.

No ban will accomplish anything except to make us less safe. I am personally unwilling to compromise my safety, so I will not comply with any ban, and if it looks to gain momentum, I can only hope that the other that feel the way I do will raise our voices and be heard as one above all those that will place all of us and our families in jeopardy. More than ever, it is time to unify and present a solid front, a collective voice, and to make the entire world understand that while they are potentially well intentioned, we are resolute in thsi and will have zero tolerance for any laws that infringe upon our basic Rights as American Citizens.

[spqrzilla]

Most of these "I'm a hunter and XXXX guns are not needed by anyone" letters are frauds. The gun control orgs plant them. Just like they tried to create a false-flag fake hunters for gun control organization a couple of years ago.

[ChadAmberg]

Most of these "I'm a hunter and XXXX guns are not needed by anyone" letters are frauds. The gun control orgs plant them. Just like they tried to create a false-flag fake hunters for gun control organization a couple of years ago.

Not on the East Coast... that's a very popular opinion that they feel their hunting rights are protected, but thinks anyone with pistols or ARs are criminals.

[KestrelBike]

Or just a troll.

9 times out of 10 when I see those "I own guns but I support sensible gun control" or "I hunt but I don't like assault weapons" posts I suspect the posters are not gun owners, not hunters and are just anti gun liberals pushing the lie that "sportsmen" are ok with gun control.

I'm ONLY a sportsman and my sports require a pistol (and it has a 17rd magazine as standard) a shotgun that relies on loading 8 shells just to even be competitive, and a semi auto rifle that will put down rounds as accurately, as quickly, and with as little reloading as possible. And I feel 100% safer playing this sport WITH STRANGERS than I do playing a pickup game of soccer at the park.

[n8tive97]

I support sensible gun control. Sometimes I use a bench rest.

That made me LOL!

[PSS]

Almost all my guns were designed as weapons of war. 1917 Eddystone, Yugo Mauser, Ar15, Henry Rifle, 1911. I don't deny it. I embrace it. But it is failed argument to insist they have no other legitimate use than for the Military. Self defense, a tool to be used against tyranny, hunting, and recreation. All legitimate uses of firearms. And until we have a strong majority supporting that position, we are in danger of losing valuable rights.

[MattR]

"An “assault rifle” that was found in the gunman’s car…not “assaulting” anyone."

That is hilarious and true, I love it.

[Troublco]

Bench rest is very sensible. Shootin' sticks work well too, when hunting.


Awesome letter, Bailey.

[sniper7]

We have some of therlse very people on here.