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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UadzYIwors
Bailey Guns
12-16-2012, 08:27
Not something I'd enjoy.
Horrifying was what came to my mind when I got to this level. I refused to shoot anyone until the police and military arrived. Then I HAD to fight just to get through to the next level.
WTF ,and people really have the nerve to wonder why our teens and twenty somethings are so screwed up . we are doomed [facepalm]
eadgbe194
12-16-2012, 08:49
WTF ,and people really have the nerve to wonder why our teens and twenty somethings are so screwed up . we are doomed [facepalm]
obviously video games are to blame and we should ban them to protect the children.
obviously video games are to blame and we should ban them to protect the children.
[hahhah-no]
You do have the option to skip that level, it warns you when you start the campaign.
obviously video games are to blame and we should ban them to protect the children.
No.
Just like gun owners have a responsibility to be safe with our firearms, Hollywood and the video game industry has a responsibility to NOT promote a culture of death and irreverence to human life.
TEAMRICO
12-16-2012, 08:54
I blame that Rock and Roll Music!
Remember folks, it is never the INDIVIDUALS fault. Always someone's else's.
You do have the option to skip that level, it warns you when you start the campaign.
Your right, but they don't say what it is. They same something like "There are portions of this game which may be disturbing to some people. Do you wish to play the game with this feature? " Again its not the exact wording, but its something like that. I clicked "yes" thinking it wasn't anything like this.....Boy, was I wrong.
eadgbe194
12-16-2012, 08:57
No.
Just like gun owners have a responsibility to be safe with our firearms, Hollywood and the video game
industry has a responsibility to NOT promote a culture of death and irreverence to human life.
i guess sarcasm doesn't come accross well on the internet. The game is designed to provoke an emotional response which it does quite well. If playing a game is going to screw someone up imagine what real life will do to them.
If playing a game is going to screw someone up imagine what real life will do to them.
Your right. Real life vs. fiction.
Someone said on another thread said this
The 'Violent games' of the old days caused real pain. Today's virtual games detach reality from fantasy.
Kids need to stop playing these type of games and get outside and play some real games where they feel some pain.
HoneyBadger
12-16-2012, 09:01
You do have the option to skip that level, it warns you when you start the campaign.
Your right, but they don't say what it is. They same something like "There is portions of this game which may be disturbing to some people. Do you wish to play the game with this feature? " Again its not the exact wording, but its something like that. I clicked "yes" thinking it wasn't anything like this.....Boy, was I wrong.
I knew this level was coming and I had heard/read about it before I got the game. Apparently you can't shoot the other baddies that are with you, so if you don't want to shoot the civilians, just follow them around until the end of the level.
I knew this level was coming and I had heard/read about it before I got the game. Apparently you can't shoot the other baddies that are with you, so if you don't want to shoot the civilians, just follow them around until the end of the level.
I know. I tried everything to kill those evil sons of bitches. The level won't let you kill them and they just turn on you and your dead in seconds.
maybe im getting old but i really dont see where anybody should be playing that . do we need to "have fun " with mass killing of unarmed civilians ? its not like there is any sport in it or any reason that it could develop any skills beyond a mental shut off switch , weather you take part in the killing or not . im all for fun and games but this is just plane wrong .
kidicarus13
12-16-2012, 09:15
Wow, I remember when Grand Theft Auto was looked at as evil.
mental shut off switch , weather you take part in the killing or not .
This is what I'm saying. Mental shut off switch to violence and pain. Does it make everybody go and kill a bunch of school children? No. But when our society promotes violence and irreverence to human life that is going to happen. My advice... Go hug your children and then tell them to go out side and explore the world.
And for those who think I'm some old geezer bitching about video games, I'm 29 years old with 3 kids. I grew up playing these type of games from the first Nintendo to my Xbox360. I've watched the transition from running around jumping on top of angry mushrooms to walking into a airport and killing hundreds of innocent people complete with controller vibrations and people crawling on the floor with blood pouring from their bodies.
Wow, I remember when Grand Theft Auto was looked at as evil.
I remember that as well. GTA was the most evil game there was. Now its got a few contenders. Goes to show my point of how video games and our culture in its self has changed for the worse.
buffalobo
12-16-2012, 10:11
Lawsuits coming for gaming programmers and producers? For recklessly producing such dangerous games and targeting young people?
DavieD55
12-16-2012, 10:23
That is disgusting...I believe those types of video games do tend to demoralise kids. I also think if you're over the age of 25 and you still sit around and play video games it is time to grow up. I know if/when i have kids they will not be playing video gomes like that. I wont allow that.
BushMasterBoy
12-16-2012, 10:44
Only video game I have is Flight Simulator. We have gone from PAC MAN to this? I find this very disturbing. I will never buy this game!
The designers of this game should have their heads examined. I'm sure the target age is the college+ crowd. But lets face it, parents buy this trash for their kids. Playing a game should have no bearing on whether a child knows right from wrong, if they are taught right and wrong. And I'll say this, a parent that buys this game for their child is a $hitty parent.
Waywardson174
12-16-2012, 11:02
Must say, I played this game and was quite surprised when this scene came up. Call of Duty walks a fine line between glorifying the role of the soldier in a first person shooter and exposing an otherwise ignorant segment of the population to the realities of war and terrorism.
What this clip and everyone who complains about this sequence FAILS TO MENTION is the ending. The premise is the person you are playing is a CIA operative who spent the last several years infiltrating this group. He is close to the guy on top and this is one of his assignments as a member of a terrorist organization. If you deviate from the mission, you're killed. The gun will not shoot fellow operatives. At the very end of the sequence the operative learns that he is known to the terrorist leader and was used as a sort of Gavrilo Princip for WW3.
There are many reasons to incorporate this sequence into a video game that explores war the way that Call of Duty does. Frankly, I'm of the opinion there are far more liberals working in development of this game than war hawks. Most of the load screen quotations expand on the brutality and cost of war.
To the point that "kids these days" play video games then want to go out and emulate them is a complete load. The Call of Duty Modern Warfare series reached $1 billion in 16 days. That's almost 17 million copies. If 17 million children are truly being brainwashed into thinking shooting up airports is acceptable and cool, we should be seeing far more shootings than we are. The game does not induce the violence. If anything it provides a perfectly safe outlet for violent thoughts.
As an aside, I am not a soldier, leo, etc. What I know of the realities of war I've gleaned from historical accounts, movies, games, conversations with friends in the service. I am in no way trying to assert that I really understand what those realities are.
Sharpienads
12-16-2012, 11:18
Must say, I played this game and was quite surprised when this scene came up. Call of Duty walks a fine line between glorifying the role of the soldier in a first person shooter and exposing an otherwise ignorant segment of the population to the realities of war and terrorism.
What this clip and everyone who complains about this sequence FAILS TO MENTION is the ending. The premise is the person you are playing is a CIA operative who spent the last several years infiltrating this group. He is close to the guy on top and this is one of his assignments as a member of a terrorist organization. If you deviate from the mission, you're killed. The gun will not shoot fellow operatives. At the very end of the sequence the operative learns that he is known to the terrorist leader and was used as a sort of Gavrilo Princip for WW3.
There are many reasons to incorporate this sequence into a video game that explores war the way that Call of Duty does. Frankly, I'm of the opinion there are far more liberals working in development of this game than war hawks. Most of the load screen quotations expand on the brutality and cost of war.
To the point that "kids these days" play video games then want to go out and emulate them is a complete load. The Call of Duty Modern Warfare series reached $1 billion in 16 days. That's almost 17 million copies. If 17 million children are truly being brainwashed into thinking shooting up airports is acceptable and cool, we should be seeing far more shootings than we are. The game does not induce the violence. If anything it provides a perfectly safe outlet for violent thoughts.
As an aside, I am not a soldier, leo, etc. What I know of the realities of war I've gleaned from historical accounts, movies, games, conversations with friends in the service. I am in no way trying to assert that I really understand what those realities are.
I tend to agree with this. If you can't tell the difference between video games and real life then you've already got problems. Besides, even Mario threw fireballs at animals and jumped on them until they died. What's worse than that?
SA Friday
12-16-2012, 11:43
So, everyone here that's got sand in their VJ over this knows that character you are playing is a undercover operative that's infiltrated a terrorist organization, you don't have to shoot any civilians, and you get doublecrossed at the end of this stage.
Put on your adult undies... It's not a kid's game.
Sharpienads
12-16-2012, 11:49
So, everyone here that's got sand in their VJ over this knows that character you are playing is a undercover operative that's infiltrated a terrorist organization, you don't have to shoot any civilians, and you get doublecrossed at the end of this stage.
Put on your adult undies... It's not a kid's game.
Agreed. There is a reason the game is rated M for mature.
OH I C... it's the CIA... nevermind...
Didn't this game come out nearly four years ago?
JMBD2112
12-16-2012, 12:01
sure, if you cant tell the difference between life and reality, then yes you do have problems.....but to a young impressionable kid, there's a difference....i think its over the line
+1 to waryward, SA and Sharpie. (Damn said previous 3 posts and already got like 4 others after it.)
Understanding the entire context rather than just the clip is kinda important.
Was supposed to be a level to make you sick/upset during and after. You are at no point actually forced to shoot any of the civilians.
Problem I have is there are those retarded kids out there lobbing frags and giggling as they shoot up everyone they could. But the game didn't do that to them, they were already ate up by parents not parenting, etc. Same parents that take their kids to see something like Human Centipede or something else probably mentally scarring.
DD977GM2
12-16-2012, 12:29
It's just a video game!!! None of my older boys took it for anything more then a video game
I shot as many civilians as I could in that level and it never changed my morals and who I am as a person. I'm tired of everybody blaming everything, but Whois actually at fault. I enjoy video games and it lets me escape reality for a while, but after I turn them off I resume my normal life. Sometimes bad things just happen.
I shot them allllllllllllllll. Didn't have any urges to go on a murder spree killing children. Let alone anyone. Now I'm going to go play fetch with my dog.
Its not really about this particular example. Its about the culture of violence that has engulfed this nation.
Why do you have a nation like Switzerland that MANDATES that half the population be armed with an full auto weapon and have so few crimes, yet have an American society armed almost as well and have so much crime?
The answer is "Culture"
First off.. you aren't allowed to buy that game unless you're what? 17? I got carded when I bought it .. and standing in line in front of me were a few different dads buying it for their kids, w/ the kid there..
It's a video game. If people can not seperate reality from fiction well then.. there is more going on in their fucked up head than a video game. I wasted every single mother fucker on that level... why.. because they're pixels on a screen. I've diffused and stopped nuclear bombs from going off in the games, even saved the life of the president..
I've never played a game, a fps, or GTA style and thought.. 'I'm so going to do this IRL, it's so bad ass'
Sharpienads
12-16-2012, 12:55
I shot as many civilians as I could in that level and it never changed my morals and who I am as a person. I'm tired of everybody blaming everything, but Whois actually at fault. I enjoy video games and it lets me escape reality for a while, but after I turn them off I resume my normal life. Sometimes bad things just happen.
I shot them allllllllllllllll. Didn't have any urges to go on a murder spree killing children. Let alone anyone. Now I'm going to go play fetch with my dog.
I remember the warning at the beginning of the game and thought "Who wouldn't want to play the level if they have to warn you about it to begin with?"
If you don't like the level, the game, or the message it might send, that's fine. You can choose not to play that particular level or not play the game at all. Or choose not to let your children play it. I fully support that. In fact, I commend it. But I don't think CoD or video games in general have anything to do with shooting sprees. I think for a lot of people (not necessarily people on this forum) it's just a convenient excuse for what happens when parents don't parent. I remember when I was a even more a child than I am now, my dad would let me watch shows like Beavis and Butthead with the caveat that as soon as I started acting like a dumbass, I wouldn't be able to watch the show anymore. It taught me to be responsible for myself, that no matter what I saw on the TV, I alone was responsible for my actions. It also taught me that with rights and/or privileges come responsibility.
Although, now that I think about it, I think it was more just an excuse he came up with so he could watch it as opposed to being a learning opportunity for me.
spongejosh
12-16-2012, 13:02
I remember when I bought the first Grand Theft Auto when I was 13. The gaming magazines were full of articles about people wanting to ban the game. I spent hours driving around and running over "civilians". I played all the GTA games since as well as tons of shooting/war games I think I turned out alright. I surely haven't killed anyone in real life or have any desire to.
If you ban violent video games you'll need to also ban any violence in movies and on TV. Hinckley shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster, should we ban Jodie Foster movies? Broken people will continue to be driven by other means even if all violence is pulled from entertainment. Religion is responsible for more deaths than video games.
Although, now that I think about it, I think it was more just an excuse he came up with so he could watch it as opposed to being a learning opportunity for me.
My dad wouldn't let us watch it when we first got cable. But I caught him watching it in his bedroom by himself one night after I was supposed to be in bed already. Jerk.
blacklabel
12-16-2012, 13:12
I think that the effect of violence in video games, movies, music, etc. is over stated. I think that the parenting and the environment can have a much stronger impact on the likelihood of a person acting in a violent manner. The solution to fixing this problem starts in the home.
Here is my post from another thread on this same topic.
I remember playing DOOM on the computer with my cousin once when we were pretty young. We were saying something along the lines of if this ever really happened, how we'd stick together. My dad walked by and said, "You know this isn't real right?" I didn't even know how to respond to him because I thought it was such a stupid question. We weren't having a conversation about the possibility of shotgunning monsters in the face in a dark building, we were confirming each other's loyalty to each other through times thick and thin. My dad just happened to be walking by and mistook a very healthy conversation, as an unhealthy one.
I was old enough to drive when Grand Theft Auto came out. I remember my friends making comments about the adjustment from driving around carjacking, crashing into things, and running down prostitutes, to getting into your own car to drive home. I remember that it was completely unheard of to be able to negatively interact with a life like character over and over and over (stomping a body around after you already killed it), and it was disturbing at first, but I adapted to it and accepted it as part of the game. It is what you do while playing the game. I can say the same thing about joining committees at work. I'd rather not, but it is part of the corporate dance that you do to get promotions.
I bring all this up to share that around the time GTA came out, was when I decided to buy a Corn snake from the pet store. More than any video game I ever played, more than any of the horrible things I watched on Ogrish when those sites were popular, what really had the greatest affect on me was having to kill mice for my snake. Sometimes I would let the snake do the work, and while it was awesome to behold, it wasn't any more comfortable to watch. I had that snake for almost four years, and killed a lot of mice. I got used to it, but I never enjoyed it.
I guess the conclusion to this long post is that movies, books, videos, and video games are just what they are, and not usually any more. People tend to forget that along with video games, kids are still experiencing real life at the same time. They experience real life death of family members, kids at school, and their pets. The experiences of real life will always outweigh those of entertainment media. If you have a kid that doesn't blink an eye when Fido or grandma dies, then you may look into getting some kind of evaluation done. Chances are, if someone has a mental condition, it was there all along and wasn't dependent on whether they played video games or not.
Zigfried
12-16-2012, 13:31
Id have to say I agree with Mike - http://now.msn.com/huckabee-blames-school-shooting-on-no-god-in-classroom?ocid=ansnow11. This country is screwed up morally and school/movie theater shootings are the result. To much emphasis on "me" and not enough on family and duty. Why were this kid's parents divorced? Why would you let kids play video games like this? This stuff isn't freedom of speech, its obscene.
OMG! It's a digital image's fault! They must be STOPPED!
Yeah, OK.
I played this level, and didn't feel the need to go slaughter hundreds of people. Matter of fact, 4.7 million copies of this particular game were sold just in the first 24 hours after release. That's a LOT of people that played that game and didn't feel like slaying an airport full of people.
I played Black Ops 2 for a few hours after work last night with at least 2 other members from this forum. Killed hundreds of 'people'. We must be psychopaths bent on murderous rampage.
For what it's worth, I think it's the smilies' fault.
http://forum.soaringhammer.com/images/smilies/Machine%20Gun%20Smiley.gif http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww60/gandalf420/smiley/crowd.gif
http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/images/smilies/suicide.gif
This actually reminds me, I have to go over to one of those member's house in a bit. And I'm taking a gun http://www.8bitbrigade.com/images/smilies/gasp.gif
We should ban everything and open government reeducation centers.
sneakerd
12-16-2012, 13:50
I can't see why anyone would NOT recognize that these video games contribute to the desensitizing of teenagers who spend countless hours killing in front of video screens.
DavieD55
12-16-2012, 13:57
Its not a matter of distinguishing the difference between reality amd a video game with me. It is a matter of principal.
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/698218/thumbs/o-FRENCH-CHEESE-GUNS-570.jpg?4
This was just posted on a forum I visit. In case you're wondering about its relevance to this particular thread (or wondering where you can get an automatic double barreled shotgun), it's a list of guns from the same game as the airport level in the OP.
Further clarification: the forum it was posted on is a football (soccer) related forum, so most of the members of it are British or European. Although reading through the 28-page thread about the school shooting, a huge percentage of them seem to be experts on the United States, firearms, gun laws in the United States, the Constitution, the killer and the exact weapons he used [Bang]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UadzYIwors
*yawn*
This is years old and has been hashed to death. There was an option in the game to turn it off.
I can't see why anyone would NOT recognize that these video games contribute to the desensitizing of teenagers who spend countless hours killing in front of video screens.
Because it has been proven over and over again by numerous studies that they don't have any correlation.
All this talk about banning video games. Didn't hear anybody say that. Maybe I missed it?
I posted the game clip because it was a good example of what our society puts up with and accepts as OK. .
Some of you guys make the point that you have to be 18 to buy the game. Thats right but I know lots of kids from 6-13 playing these games. Parents are to blame. Some of these kids are ones that my 10 year old son hangs out with. Their parents are bible bumping hardcore Christians and somehow they let their kids play this shit???
Some of you guys make the point that you played these games, just as I have, yet you haven't killed anyone. Your right, but thats not the point. Its a accumulation of these things in our society that portrays violence as no big deal and in my opinion that why we have these atrocities.
So I'm going to ask this again.... Why do you have a nation like Switzerland that MANDATES that half the population be armed with an full auto weapon and have so little crime, yet have an American society armed almost as well and have so much crime? Its not the guns, so what is causing this.
Zigfried
12-16-2012, 23:25
Europe is not America. I've spent significant time in parts of Europe and you can't compare our background to that of any European country.
You guys' beloved games condition thinking. For a young person they condition thinking in the wrong way. If you want to play first person shooter, go to the range, or better Afghanistan or Syria. They shoot back there.
Not one in a hundred kids is going to rape the girl next door because of watching a sex film - but the one percent that will is why most normal people would want to jail you for allowing children to watch even garden variety porn. Similarly, you need to draw a line with violent games - its not a game - its horrible.
Not one in a hundred kids is going to rape the girl next door because of watching a sex film - but the one percent that will is why most normal people would want to jail you for allowing children to watch even garden variety porn. Similarly, you need to draw a line with violent games - its not a game - its horrible.
Video games cause violence and porn causes rape?
Sharpienads
12-16-2012, 23:53
Video games cause violence and porn causes rape?
Absofuckinlutely. (sarcasm)
We can discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of violent video games or porn, but to blame an individual's actions on either of those is ridiculous.
What is going on around here lately? I think we're all going a little crazy.
ChunkyMonkey
12-17-2012, 00:07
Video games cause violence and porn causes rape?
Obviously you have never been to Japan. [Flower]
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 00:09
That is disgusting...I believe those types of video games do tend to demoralise kids. I also think if you're over the age of 25 and you still sit around and play video games it is time to grow up.
Hmm, interesting. I'm 27, engaged, own 3 nice cars with my Fiancee, own our home, have paid off all debt (not student loans or even credit card debt) aside from our house, have a career and am going BACK to school to further my education by getting an engineering degree this time (first time was astrophysics). I play those "types of video games" and am somehow grown up, responsible and do not have the urge to go out on mass shooting sprees. But I do not have the ability to read about these types of events without being affected.
You must have meant that statement more generally or I am just the exception.
I tend to agree with this. If you can't tell the difference between video games and real life then you've already got problems. Besides, even Mario threw fireballs at animals and jumped on them until they died. What's worse than that?
This. I grew up on NES, SNES, N64, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360 and Wii. Mario has underlying violence, however it is not as blatantly obvious as the clip the OP posted.
Its not really about this particular example. Its about the culture of violence that has engulfed this nation.
Why do you have a nation like Switzerland that MANDATES that half the population be armed with an full auto weapon and have so few crimes, yet have an American society armed almost as well and have so much crime?
The answer is "Culture"
Perhaps what you're insinuating is that we need to arm OUR population with full auto weapons in order to reduce crime. I'm for it. But I think forced military training would accompany. They simply would not put full auto weapons in the civilian hands without being able to completely control them.
OMG! It's a digital image's fault! They must be STOPPED!
Yeah, OK.
I played this level, and didn't feel the need to go slaughter hundreds of people. Matter of fact, 4.7 million copies of this particular game were sold just in the first 24 hours after release. That's a LOT of people that played that game and didn't feel like slaying an airport full of people.
I played Black Ops 2 for a few hours after work last night with at least 2 other members from this forum. Killed hundreds of 'people'. We must be psychopaths bent on murderous rampage.
For what it's worth, I think it's the smilies' fault.
http://forum.soaringhammer.com/images/smilies/Machine%20Gun%20Smiley.gif http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww60/gandalf420/smiley/crowd.gif
http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/images/smilies/suicide.gif
This actually reminds me, I have to go over to one of those member's house in a bit. And I'm taking a gun http://www.8bitbrigade.com/images/smilies/gasp.gif
I played this level (and all other CODs) and can honestly say that that level was a little too realistic for me. I don't recall if I shot anyone or not, I think I tried shooting the guys first then realized I couldn't.
And on topic with your quote, when I get home from work in the morning, after sleeping the day away, I will probably wake up, grab a beer and plop down on the couch to relax and continue to play Black Ops 2, have barely had time these past few weeks.
Absofuckinlutely. (sarcasm)
We can discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of violent video games or porn, but to blame an individual's actions on either of those is ridiculous.
What is going on around here lately? I think we're all going a little crazy.
Yes, we are going crazy. Too much abuse of our beloved hobby and we're going to suffer the consequences of people who need real help but couldn't get it.
I think you guys are assuming that we are taking that "leap" even when we are not. I don't think for a minute that some kid has played one of these games and said "I'm gonna go shoot up a XYZ today" because I played this video game.
What I'm saying is if our society as a whole is tolerant of such violence to our fellow human, even if it is fantasy, then is it a real surprise when we see this type of stuff happen in reality? Like I said in the a previous post, this video game is just an example of what we accept as OK in a humongous ocean of games, tv, and movies.
This type of stuff was seldom ever seen 30-40 years ago and the funny thing is we didn't have a mass shooting every few months or so. Is it a correlation? I believe it is but belief is a whole lot different than knowledge..
Its pretty hard to make a case saying that the video I posted does NOT desensitize our youth to violence.
You know what???
I am so FUCKING sick of you guys saying, " Well I played these games and I turned out fine".
Thats the lamest fucking argument I've seen. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
I got news for you. I play these games as well. I own most of the COD games. I've played this level numerous times. I turned out fine also. But I also think that this shit desensitizes society as a whole.
Perhaps what you're insinuating is that we need to arm OUR population with full auto weapons in order to reduce crime. I'm for it. But I think forced military training would accompany. They simply would not put full auto weapons in the civilian hands without being able to completely control them.
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No. I'm simply posing a question to you guys. What is it that makes our population so damn nuts? For all intensive purposes we are as well armed as the Swiss. So what makes us more crazy than the Swiss?
Sharpienads
12-17-2012, 00:20
So why are you yelling at us? Why don't you join or start or campaign to ban violent video games?
I think personal experience shapes the way a lot of people view the world. I think it would be foolish not to.
So why are you yelling at us? Why don't you join or start or campaign to ban violent video games?
I think personal experience shapes the way a lot of people view the world. I think it would be foolish not to.
All this talk about banning video games. Didn't hear anybody say that. Maybe I missed it?
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Maybe you missed that post. I just get pissed with the lame ass arguments. Its like when you are in an argument with an Anti and you use the excuse, "Well I have guns and I didn't go kill anybody". I understand what your saying but its a dishonest argument at best.
I'm not advocating for the banning of ANY video game. I"m not willing to trade one right for another. Speech is protected, end of story. Doesn't mean I can't say your speech is partly responsible for destroying society's morals and values though.
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 00:27
No. I'm simply posing a question to you guys. What is it that makes our population so damn nuts? For all intensive purposes we are as well armed as the Swiss. So what makes us more crazy than the Swiss?
Americans take the easy way out. We eat fast food because it is fast and shuts the kids up, we drink coke because there are vending machines everywhere, we drive to the gym because walking/running there would take too much effort, students cheat left and right in school so they can pass their classes, we medicate the crap out of everyone (can't sleep, take this. can't control your kid, give them this. can't get it up, take this. can't lose weight, take this. can't focus on work, take this. can't deal with the consequences of having unprotected sex, take this...).
Its the American way, we take short cuts to get what we want. And in doing so, kids lose out on proper parenting, and people lose out on proper socialization. And people buy into fears and believe whatever they are told because they are simply unable to reason through things that they hear.
I can't speak for Switzerland at all, I don't know anything about their country or culture. But I have played this video game, and many others, which is why I commented on it.
So why are you yelling at us? Why don't you join or start or campaign to ban violent video games?
I think personal experience shapes the way a lot of people view the world. I think it would be foolish not to.
This. You are getting aggressive towards everyone who is posting their opinions in your thread, just like you are doing. You believe this type of violence in video games desensitizes society as a whole. Frankly, at the very least, it desensitizes ONLY the people who play this game. If you do not play video games, then you will not be exposed to this type of violence. Sure, its in movies sometimes, but thats not what we're talking about.
This. You are getting aggressive towards everyone who is posting their opinions in your thread, just like you are doing. You believe this type of violence in video games desensitizes society as a whole. Frankly, at the very least, it desensitizes ONLY the people who play this game. If you do not play video games, then you will not be exposed to this type of violence. Sure, its in movies sometimes, but thats not what we're talking about.
Well that is what I'm talking about. Media as a whole will influence us as a whole. I agree with the other stuff you wrote. Media plays a part in it but I've been saying the "culture" word quite a bit. We as a culture are fucked IMHO.
And sorry to all for getting all butt hurt previously [facepalm]
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 00:43
Well that is what I'm talking about. Media as a whole will influence us as a whole. I agree with the other stuff you wrote. Media is a plays a part in it but I've been saying the "culture" word quite a bit. We as a culture are fucked IMHO.
And sorry to all for getting all butt hurt previously [facepalm]
Good, glad we talked you down.
Now, go turn on the video game contraption and blow some zombies up to release your frustration! [Coffee]
Screw that. I'm going to bed. I'll kill zombies tomorrow.
bryjcom, it took me most of this thread to figure out what you were actually trying to say. I don't know the answer to your question, but it probably has something to do with trying to take stuff to the next level. No one wants to put out entertainment that is just a rehash of some other, earlier version. It probably also has to do with the development of games over the years. There exists stuff in movies, that is far more disturbing than the content in video games, and neither movies or video games can touch the content that is out there in books. Now that video games aren't just two dimensional jumping games, they are more likely to have a plot. As games get more detailed, so do the plots.
I guess what I'm saying is that no one is going to be buying The Notebook for Xbox.
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 02:08
No one wants to put out entertainment that is just a rehash of some other, earlier version.
I guess what I'm saying is that no one is going to be buying The Notebook for Xbox.
Except for all of hollywood, right?!
Wait, wait, backup now. They make The Notebook for Xbox?! I don't believe you, I'm raising the flag[bs]
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No, of course they don't make The Notebook for Xbox. My point was that no one would buy that type of game.
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 02:13
No, of course they don't make The Notebook for Xbox. My point was that no one would buy that type of game.
Sorry, guess my sarcastic reply wasn't sarcastic enough. I'll try harder next time.
I thought you were really calling me out!
BuffCyclist
12-17-2012, 03:06
I thought you were really calling me out!
Haha, nope. Just exhausted and sick of not being able to do anything at work so I'm getting a little too sarcastic with everything. You posted and I was like "ooooh, someone else is online, time to provoke them".
My thoughts - I watched the first 30 seconds and turned it off. This is the kind of shit being marketed to kids? I am out of touch.
American youth has a problem separating fantasy from reality due to lack of basic human intelligence / empathy. The school system isn't helping either, not when you teach kids the false utopia of socialism and entitlements.
lead_magnet
12-17-2012, 10:03
I played the game (COD sucks ass by the way and you should all be playing Battlefield 3 like grown ups) , that "level" of the game is not like the rest of the game. You play that whole game as a good guy trying to track down these bad-guy asshats. This scene is intended to make you more pissed at the bad guy and is shown in a bad light. Its not like, "hey go shoot your neighbor" its more of a "look at these terrorist fucksticks and how brutal and shitty they are" part of the story.
Saying this is inherently bad is like saying Saving Private Ryan is bad because they show a scene from the viewpoint of the Nazi machine gunner as he mows down our troops coming out of the landing craft on d-day. Its just to put things into perspective and to relay an idea and the magnitude of the situation to the audience. Change your tampons guys.
First off.. you aren't allowed to buy that game unless you're what? 17? I got carded when I bought it .. and standing in line in front of me were a few different dads buying it for their kids, w/ the kid there..
It's a video game. If people can not seperate reality from fiction well then.. there is more going on in their fucked up head than a video game. I wasted every single mother fucker on that level... why.. because they're pixels on a screen. I've diffused and stopped nuclear bombs from going off in the games, even saved the life of the president..
I've never played a game, a fps, or GTA style and thought.. 'I'm so going to do this IRL, it's so bad ass'
Thank you! That's what I was going to say- "Oh my god, they're killing pixels! How evil!" I was just playing Skyrim yesterday, I slaughtered an entire tribe of little midget goblin looking creatures... oh sorry, PIXELS, that's all they are, nothing more, nothing less. If you can't tell the difference between RL and games then your parents failed. [facepalm]
PugnacAutMortem
12-17-2012, 11:27
I can't believe this is even a discussion...how is blaming video games for violence ANY different than blaming guns for violence? You are blaming an inanimate object as the cause of behavior. Come on now...
Teufelhund
12-17-2012, 11:45
I admit I didn't read through all the posts in here, but here's my take on the OP. I played through the campaign (single-player) in this game more than once, and once I realized what this particular scene was about, I exercised the built-in option of skipping this part altogether. I've played a lot of video games, but I've never encountered a scenario like this one; it really made my stomach turn and I couldn't get through it.
lowbeyond
12-17-2012, 11:48
i like how the metal detectors turn red when they walk through. lol
SA Friday
12-17-2012, 13:15
You know what???
I am so FUCKING sick of you guys saying, " Well I played these games and I turned out fine".
Thats the lamest fucking argument I've seen. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
I got news for you. I play these games as well. I own most of the COD games. I've played this level numerous times. I turned out fine also. But I also think that this shit desensitizes society as a whole.
No it doesn't. I've played every game talked about in this thread, and none of it meant anything. The first time I pointed a gun at someone, my first autopsy, my first combat casualty... Those were horrific and I still see the images sometimes in my dreams. THEY were real and desensitizing.
Videogames are to blame? Seriously? What a simplistic, non-intelligent, scapegoat conclusion. I find it equal to people blaming guns for shootings.
Inconel710
12-17-2012, 14:38
No. I'm simply posing a question to you guys. What is it that makes our population so damn nuts? For all intensive purposes we are as well armed as the Swiss. So what makes us more crazy than the Swiss?
Population numbers - Switzerland had just under 8 million in 2011 (according World Bank stats) and the U.S. has over 300 million. I don't know what the probablility of a sociopath or psychopath occurring in a normal population is, but the U.S. is about 40 times more likely to have one than Switzerland. Think about it - IIRC, we've had Aurora, Oregon, and now Connecticut this year. That's three attempted mass killings out of a population of over 300 million. We should be thankful there aren't MORE!
porfiriozg
12-17-2012, 15:43
parent's corrupting there kids with violent game, maybe. i kept shooting (comrades), didn''t like the level
I blame that Rock and Roll Music!
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