So if Bans are so effective then

[SuperiorDG]

I was thinking this morning that if gun bans are so effective then the police and domestic law enforcement would have no need for their guns. If normal everyday citizens are safe with gun bans in place then law enforcement should no longer have a need for their guns and should turn them over and have them melted down.

[merl]

many of the police in GB have....

Wouldn't expect it here any more than I'd expect you or I to turn em in.

[Colorado Osprey]

They just want guns to be banned to feel safer. Banning guns does just the opposite.

Remember the Ft. Hood shooting. The only one armed other than the crazy was Military Police.
This does little to prove the point to the gun ban crowd.. they like to forget about it.

Mass shootings and mass violence is a product of population density. The more population density the greater chance of mas violence. This happens in all animals not just humans.
We need to ban cities!!

[SuperiorDG]

Police: "but the criminals will still have guns so we need our's to protect you." Ding-Ding[fail]

[dwalker460]

We seem to forget our history-

IN 1997, three years after the AWB took effect, the LA bank robbery/shootout happened, with the criminals using ACTUAL full auto assault weapons. The police were so outgunned that they had to turn to SPORTING GOODS stores to go buy some AR-15 semi-auto rifles, high- cap magazines, and thank GOD they were in stock, ready for immediate delivery. Had those rifles been banned many more police officers would have lost their lives along with potential citizen casualties.

ETA-

There has been a rise in mass shootings because the perpetrators specifically target GUN FREE ZONES- where they know it is unlikely there will not be any firearms. Shopping malls, schools, churches, sporting events, theatres. All public gathering places and many of which prohibit firearms. We now know Holmes drove past at least one other theatre where there was armed security to the Aurora theatre where there was no armed security (which for that theater was typically off-duty law enforcement) at that midnight showing. Even then, he was diabolical enough to leave his weapons outside in case there WAS an armed guard in the lobby who might have noticed he was carrying. As soon as an armed respondent was on scene he gave up. Same with this Connecticut whacko, as soon as police arrived, he ate a bullet. Same with the mall shooter, as soon as he saw a gun pointed in his direction from a CCW holder, sat down and had a lead lunch.

Fear of armed response is what PREVENTS these actions, and the more we disarm society, the worse its going to get.

Banning weapons does no good for anyone.

[jslo]

Actually I believe there were less mass shootings (26) post '90s assault weapons ban than (42) during the assault weapons ban

[Ronin13]

Fear of armed response is what PREVENTS these actions, and the more we disarm society, the worse its going to get.

Banning weapons does no good for anyone.
Quoted for truth! But people can't get this through their stupid heads! [Mad]

[CO Hugh]

I know instead of seeing if we can ban and confiscate 300 million plus guns, lets get rid of the 12-20 million illegal aliens first, then we can see how gun control works. Also I expect contraband and weapons to [magically] disappear from prisons, so that they are as safe to be in as the ritz carlton.

[KevDen2005]

Actually I believe there were less mass shootings (26) post '90s assault weapons ban than (42) during the assault weapons ban


If you wouldn't mind and if you have the info handy, could you either post those incidents and/or pm me. I am trying to put some information together for the anti's on this.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

If you wouldn't mind and if you have the info handy, could you either post those incidents and/or pm me. I am trying to put some information together for the anti's on this.

How do you have more posts than I do? Something is wrong here....

[J]

I'll see both of your post counts and raise you a couple million! :)

Also (posting this a few places):
http://patrick.net/forum/content/uploads/2012/12/meth.jpg

[Inspector Fowler]

The reality is that we have some rampant social and mental health issues that society is either unwilling or unable to address. What seems easier is banning a very particular kind of object.

I think we should firmly advocate for vehicles that carry only two people, that are hard-limited to 20 mph, with mandated breath test devices in the ignition. Also, they will not drive at all in inclement weather, because many drivers are unwilling to prep their vehicles or train correctly for winter driving conditions. After all, that would prevent mass-casualty accidents caused by speed, alcohol, or weather, right? Who cares if the other 99% of Americans weren't driving like idiots, let's treat them all like babies so that we might save a few precious lives. Or, we could train drivers properly, and hold them criminally accountable when they violate the law.

Let's be realistic, guys - earlier this year a guy hit a CSU cop intentionally while trying to evade a traffic stop. The cop was on foot, and he just cleared him out of the way with the hood of his Tacoma - fortunately, with very minor injuries to the cop. His big sentence for attempted murder? Well, of course that's not what his plea deal was, so he got a year. And at some point, his license revocation will end, and he'll be able to drive again! If somebody tried to run over one of your loved ones with a vehicle and he was going to do a year in the jail (before good time) and then someday be able to drive again, you'd be enraged. But, hey, driving is more of a right than firearms ownership, apparently, so there you go.

We're not a society that is about treating root causes and preventing problems before they start - we're all about treating the symptoms.

This is all going to get a lot worse before it gets better, politically.

[clublights]

many of the police in GB have....

Wouldn't expect it here any more than I'd expect you or I to turn em in.


Actually the reverse would be true ...

Traditionally bobby's in the UK carried nothing more then a pair of cuffs and a truncheon (aka baton).

More and more they re being armed with Guns ( tho they still tend to be smaller units with the real guns .. almost SWAT team style). Many ( tho not all ) are now being armed with Tasers I was watching a UK TV show the other day "Traffic Cops" the officers have to fill out 3 pages of paper work for " red dotting" someone with their taser... just for pointing it at a citizen they have 3 pages of paper work ... AMAZING..

Tho I do not have a link .. gun crime is up around 92% in the last 10 years in the UK ... their gun ban is working out REAL well ...

[DireWolf]

Not sure if this has been posted yet...Very well put together interview(s).

John Stossel - Gun Laws That Kill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YC5cVxTcQ

[Ronin13]

Gabe posted this on FB earlier... it fits perfectly here!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

[Teufelhund]

Gabe posted this on FB earlier... it fits perfectly here!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

Decent article, thanks for the link. My wife mentioned this very article to me this morning and I had to ask her if she was sure she saw it on CNN.

[DireWolf]

It seems like there are a number of great articles, videos, and case studies. I'm thinking that what's really needed is for someone with deep pockets (NRA maybe?) to pull some of them together into a series of 30-60 second TV ads and get them blasted out over the airwaves. This appears to be a hugely effective way to reach and influence large numbers of people, and is a tactic we're seeing used quite often by those who have....different intensions.