WOW!!!! I will NEVER go to OD Green Supply ever again....

[JM Ver. 2.0]

My buddy just called me from there... Yesterday everything was priced within reason... PMags were $17/$20 Standard and Windowed... AKs and ARs were normally priced... 9mm and .223 was normal or marked up a little...

Today...

Ak47s: $2,500+
AR-15s: $3,500+
1,000 Rounds of .223: $800
9mm is $0.45 a round making it $450/1k
There's a Saiga 12 for $5,000.

And the $17/$20 PMags... $80 each...

Way to go OD Green Supply... Way to go... [Mad]

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

supply and demand

[JM Ver. 2.0]

supply and demand

Douchebaggery... Totally different.

[SouthPaw]

I cannot wait till things cool off and places like these look like asshats.

[mahabali]

Wow. My buddy from GJ just called me. He is out trying to panic buy. $800 ARs are now marked up to about $1500. He was asking me if it was a good deal. I told him hell no.

[Gunner]

Sad thing is who knows what a good deal is right now

[Dave_L]

Yup. Ordered 5 mags on Monday at $12.50 each. Should have ordered more. :( This is all Im hearing on forums and amongst friends. Prices are going sky high.

[funkymonkey1111]

thanks for the heads up

[merl]

OD Green (whatever you are) To the list with you!

[brokenscout]

He may not be in business in 6 months, $2,000 is better than not getting it? Its like the stock market.. At least they are still selling them..

[brokenscout]

I saw $150 AK47s go to $2000 in a day, if you can get them.. Are you really the one talking about this.lol.. Zombie
Douchebaggery... Totally different.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Let's make matters worse for them...

OD Green Supply has posted on their Facebook page that they have suspended all firearms and ammo sales due to high demand and no supply... BULL SHIT.

What you did was jack your prices up to make it LOOK like you wanted to stop people from buying it. $100 says that if someone offered to buy it you'd still sell it to them.

That's dirty and underhanded. If you really wanted to "Suspend sales due to high demand and no supply" you would simply clear the shelves. Not jack your prices to the moon.

[brokenscout]

cap·i·tal·ism noun \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\




Definition of CAPITALISM: an economic system characterized by private (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/private[1]) or corporate ownership of capital (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capital) goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20market)

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I saw $150 AK47s go to $2000 in a day, if you can get them.. Are you really the one talking about this.lol.. Zombie

Yes... Yes I am... :D

[JM Ver. 2.0]

cap·i·tal·ism

noun \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\




Definition of CAPITALISM

: an economic system characterized by private (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/private[1]) or corporate ownership of capital (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capital) goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20market)


Let's make matters worse for them...

OD Green Supply has posted on their Facebook page that they have suspended all firearms and ammo sales due to high demand and no supply... BULL SHIT.

What you did was jack your prices up to make it LOOK like you wanted to stop people from buying it. $100 says that if someone offered to buy it you'd still sell it to them.

That's dirty and underhanded. If you really wanted to "Suspend sales due to high demand and no supply" you would simply clear the shelves. Not jack your prices to the moon.


Not capitalism...

[brokenscout]

Lol, I got PMags 2 weeks ago 10 for $108 shipped, should have got more
Yes... Yes I am... :D

[brokenscout]

DO you want the Gov to go in and regulate this even more, they would have hammered you for those lowers..lol

[JM Ver. 2.0]

DO you want the Gov to go in and regulate this even more, they would have hammered you for those lowers..lol

What lowers? You mean the lowers that I paid $175 for and resold for $175?

[brokenscout]

Didn't you have the $500 ones? Its their business they can do what they want, we can also and not shop there?
What lowers? You mean the lowers that I paid $175 for and resold for $175?

[Gunner]

This better not escalate!

[brokenscout]

I'm done, lol.. Just saying, if you don't like the prices move on..
This better not escalate!

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Didn't you have the $500 ones? Its their business they can do what they want, we can also and not shop there?

Yeah. There was the Zombie Lower I posted for $500. I had one of them. The post was mostly a joke. I turned down several SERIOUS $400+ offers. I like my Zombie lower. I even had it engraved with something personal.

Every gun or accessory I've ever sold on here has been for what I paid for it or less. Including the last number of lowers I sold for $175. That's exactly what I paid PER LOWER. I didn't make a whole $5 off one of them though. Neither of us had change for a $20 so it was an even $180.

[MrPrena]

Stocks, precious metals, and commodities CAN go up 100%+ (rare) from trading floor (NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ).
Gasoline, natgas, etc are regulated for price gauging due to their inelastic features , and natural monopoly.

Market may set prices on supply and demand for Firearm and accessories, but 300%+ sounds crazy.
Hope market will calm down fast. Those vendors who tries to set the price "Equilibrium + GAUGE triple digit %" will not earn a PENNY from me near future.

[Dave_L]

I'm mad at myself for not ordering more last month. Lol.

[Kraven251]

The pmags for $80 is kinda dumb. Especially since magpul made their statement about it. They are in production and will be shipping them out like clockwork, and they have not raised their prices. So the OD Greens of the community will have burned their customer base for what...an extra $60 a magazine.

There are enough shops around that they will become the last place anyone will go for anything, and that will be the end of their business. Fuck Em.

[DD977GM2]

Ate they online or in Colorado?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I'm done, lol.. Just saying, if you don't like the prices move on..

I did move on. lol I'll find them somewhere else. And, regardless of what people or you might think... I got no issues with you. [Beer]

[birddog]

I was met at the door by an employee who told me none of the price tags were valid and that everything had gone up. Said I would have to ask if I wanted a price.

never again will I go there.

[Dave_L]

In Colorado and their site says they'll only ship to distributers. No private buyers allowed on mags. :( (Magpul)

[Skully]

All this talk of "commodoties" market dictates price etc, guns and accessories that are new are not necassarily part of that.

See, unfortunately when a retailer goes WAY ABOVE MSRP (manufacture suggested retail price) that is raping the buyer, gouging them due to the fear of running out or no longer available which hasnt happened yet. (Excused are the aged guns that are collectors items)


Some are willing to PAY that price, I sure can't, they will not have my business in the future because, I will remember them when it calms down.

[Beer]

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Ate they online or in Colorado?

52nd and Wadsworth-ish in Arvada. Right near 5280 Armory.

[MrPrena]

Yeah, $600 Glock, $500 lower, $100 FIRM pmag was a joke that migrated from GD post.
I don't think OP was serious. I am glad that these mocking thread is allowed here.
These mocking thread will reduce REAL price gouger here.

[brokenscout]

Oh I agree, no problem with you.. If you would have got $500 for that lowers that's fine to.. Supply and demand.. The shops that are doing this, if it cools down we should remember.. I just hope next year we aren't wishing we would have bought a $2000 AR15..lol
I did move on. lol I'll find them somewhere else. And, regardless of what people or you might think... I got no issues with you. [Beer]

[BushMasterBoy]

In Florida after a hurricane, when the power is out, the price for a bag of ice soars! If the SHTF,the price of an AR will be a 100 oz of gold! EFF them stores!

[BPTactical]

They would not ask those prices if there were not people stupid enough to pay them.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I was met at the door by an employee who told me none of the price tags were valid and that everything had gone up. Said I would have to ask if I wanted a price.

never again will I go there.

Right. That's bullshit.


NOTICE: Machine Gun Tours did NOT raise their prices. But they are sold out.

OD Green's Website still says PMags are IN STOCK at $15 a mag.

[Kraven251]

In Colorado and their site says they'll only ship to distributers. No private buyers allowed on mags. :( (Magpul)

But there are plenty of businesses in Colorado that offer a fair price on them, so you should be able to get them without paying out the nose for them.

Bower's Tactical, Machine Gun Tours both offering fair prices, and both places have them on order and are waiting.

[brokenscout]

Yes lol
They would not ask those prices if there were not people stupid enough to pay them.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

But there are plenty of businesses in Colorado that offer a fair price on them, so you should be able to get them without paying out the nose for them.

Bower's Tactical, Machine Gun Tours both offering fair prices, and both places have them on order and are waiting.

Exactly! My buddy just called me from Machine Gun Tours. No Pmags. But prices remained the same and they are on order.

He bought an AK for $650. FAIR PRICES!

[grubby669]

Here is a thing from their facebook page "explaining" why....

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/racedk6/ODGREEN_zps21ad5e25.png

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Here is a thing from their facebook page "explaining" why....

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/racedk6/ODGREEN_zps21ad5e25.png

I can't see what you posted... But I already said why. Their reason is an outright LIE. If they really wanted to suspend sales due to low supply they would just take down what they already have. They wouldn't gouge the people that they need to stay in business. Underhanded and shady business tactics like this should not go unnoiced. It would be one thing if ALL shops were doing it. But it's just this one from what I can tell.

[Bailey Guns]

This is simple supply and demand and it's not unreasonable if someone is willing to pay it. We've been down this road before. It's the same reason select-fire guns are priced where they are and it's our economic system. The simple answer to those of you who disapprove is not to pay the price being asked.

If you think this is gouging or douchebaggery or whatever you really don't understand economics. If a buyer has an option to buy item X for $xxx.xx even though it sold for 20% of that amount last week and he chooses to buy it that's his business...not yours. The alternative is to not pay the price and not get the item or to look elsewhere for a better price. On the other hand, if he doesn't pay the high asking price now it may be too late for him to acquire the item at a later time.

There was a story recently about a local or state government confiscating a load of generators a guy had bought somewhere down south to take to the NY/NJ area. His intent was to sell to people who needed them for a profit. Many people wanted to pay his asking price for a generator. But the government stepped in, confiscated the guys generators and sent him packing without his property. They accused him of gouging. Unfortunately, the people who wanted to pay for a generator had no other option and went without power for days or weeks after that while the .gov did nothing to help them...other than to run the "gouger" out of town.

I really get sick and tired of hearing talk like this.

[Kraven251]

I could see your point with the excpetion of the prices he was running on 30rnd pmags. When Magpul explicitly stated they hadn't changed their pricing schedule. Ammo you have to do what you have to do, but the pmags hurt his business far more than it helped him. A little extra profit today for no return customers tomorrow is not a good trade.

[Bailey Guns]

I could see your point with the excpetion of the prices he was running on 30rnd pmags. When Magpul explicitly stated they hadn't changed their pricing schedule. Ammo you have to do what you have to do, but the pmags hurt his business far more than it helped him. A little extra profit today for no return customers tomorrow is not a good trade.

And if that's your business philosophy, that's fine...as is choosing where to spend your money after the panic. That's part of how the system works. But if someone gets what they want at a price they're willing to pay, why should you be bothered by that?

[Aloha_Shooter]

it's real simple. If you don't like their prices, don't patronize them. When people are allowed to charge what the market will bear, they will find ways to get product to market. John Stossel had a good segment on this and how it applied toward getting generators, water, etc. to stricken areas. If someone tries to charge over-market, they simply won't sell their products.

As far as ammo prices go, Steve Grubbs is out of line -- their base prices change because of what it will cost to replenish that stock. Remember that when supply comes back up, that case they bought this week at $250 will be competing with the case someone else just bought at $215. Someone is certainly welcome to charge yesterday's price but they're under no obligation to do so.

[TennVol]

C-Products 30 rd aluminum mags are $10.95/ea here: http://shop.lcjwholesalestore.com/AR-Magazines_c14.htm They have thousands in stock.

[brokenscout]

Magpul sells to the Gov, they will be fine..lol

[spqrzilla]

If you don't like the prices that are caused by panic buying ... then don't participate in the panic buying.

Seems kinda simple to me.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

The point of all this was....

The price they're paying for PMags has not gone up.. It's the same price as it was before all this....

[Bailey Guns]

The point is, don't pay the price if you don't like the price.

[Bailey Guns]

Or, go through the steps required to become a MagPul distributor/dealer and set your price where you see fit.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

The point is, don't pay the price if you don't like the price.

And I'm not paying that price. lol I also don't think anyone else should pay that price. Hence the thread.

[grubby669]

it's real simple. If you don't like their prices, don't patronize them. When people are allowed to charge what the market will bear, they will find ways to get product to market. John Stossel had a good segment on this and how it applied toward getting generators, water, etc. to stricken areas. If someone tries to charge over-market, they simply won't sell their products.

As far as ammo prices go, Steve Grubbs is out of line -- their base prices change because of what it will cost to replenish that stock. Remember that when supply comes back up, that case they bought this week at $250 will be competing with the case someone else just bought at $215. Someone is certainly welcome to charge yesterday's price but they're under no obligation to do so.


Nobody said they couldn't charge what they want. Its bad business practice is what was being said. You may make a few bucks off of that sale but have a high potential to lose out on more money in the future because of customers that wont come back after seeing the prices. But you are right it is their business and they can charge what they want.

[Bailey Guns]

And I'm not paying that price. lol I also don't think anyone else should pay that price. Hence the thread.

Are you like "those people" who think we shouldn't have "assault rifles"?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Are you like "those people" who think we shouldn't have "assault rifles"?

I used to own, before that boat accident, a few "assault rifles."

[Bailey Guns]

I just sold all of mine at ridiculously expensive, gougingly high prices. Now I can afford a case of ammo.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Are you like "those people" who think we shouldn't have "assault rifles"?

And, if you could see my Facebook page, you'd see that I am about as far away from that person as could be.

[Brass]

After the panic tapers off, I can't wait for OD Green Supply, whoever the hell they are, to complain about people buying on-line and not supporting their local dealers.

[Bailey Guns]

And, if you could see my Facebook page, you'd see that I am about as far away from that person as could be.

Check your sarcasm meter.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Check your sarcasm meter.

I'm at work... Sarcasm meter is turned off. My bad.

[Bailey Guns]

[Beer]

Oh, shit. You're at work. You can't have that.

[brokenscout]

I want a New Cadillac but, I don't bitch about the prices, If I do I can buy a Ford.. With our freedom you have to take it.. A year from now these prices may be ok.. what about a $90 POS SKS for $400 that is the norm.. Its all about what your willing to pay

[brokenscout]

Where do you work, I thought you worked at COAR15 :)
I'm at work... Sarcasm meter is turned off. My bad.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Where do you work, I thought you worked at COAR15 :)

I work in an above gound bunker.

[rondog]

I'm just glad that I've already got enough of everything I think I need, I tend to pick up bargains when I run across them, usually from other members. I rarely buy from businesses, except for powder and primers. I've got enough guns, ammo, supplies and magazines that I cringe at the thought of having to move all of it. But I'm probably a neophyte compared to some other guys. I don't have hundreds of AR magazines, but I've got enough to make a dang heavy bagful, especially if they were all full. That's enough for me.

But, like everybody's said.....supply and demand, capitalism, etc. Don't like the prices, shop elsewhere or wait, they'll come back down. Hopefully.

[Bailey Guns]

Where do you work, I thought you worked at COAR15 :)

[Coffee]

[sroz]

OD sells ammo at the tanner. Always had good prices, but they have been going up to the point where they're easy to beat. They started selling firearms about 3 shows ago. Heard they took over from the gun shop owner who let them set up in his shop when they moved here from out of state. It's all business, but after this, I'll just choose to buy elsewhere.

[MileHighOutlaw]

Here is a thing from their facebook page "explaining" why....

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/racedk6/ODGREEN_zps21ad5e25.png

Damn! I got quoted AND my picture plastered on here. Soon enough I will be as famous as Ridge or Monky

[VolksDragon]

Ammunition prices are like oil futures...they're priced at what it will cost them to replace what's on the shelf, not what it cost to buy wholesale. If their next skid of .223 is suddenly going to cost them significantly higher than what they've got, prices go up.

If supply significantly outpaces demand, the same thing happens. Should we praise those dealers who choose to keep their prices where they were a month ago? Absolutely. But we'll be bitching that they're sold out of everything, with no resupply in sight.

The retail business, especially the firearms trade, is always a delicate balance between supply / demand curves and market predictions. If you had 10,000 Pmags, and you KNEW you would sell every single one tomorrow no matter what, you had better price them as high as the customer will pay for them, or you're losing money. Especially when those 10,000 might be the last Pmags you'll see for a long while.

The gouging pisses me off, too...but I completely understand.

[sroz]

I was at the firing line today & their PMC .223 was $8.99 per box. That's $450 per thousand. Don't know the price if you buy a case. I'll buy it there before I buy it at OD Green for $800. Good thing is I don't need any since I have more than enuf....and no gun to shoot them.

[SouthPaw]

I was at the firing line today & their PMC .223 was $8.99 per box. That's $450 per thousand. Don't know the price if you buy a case. I'll buy it there before I buy it at OD Green for $800. Good thing is I don't need any since I have more than enuf....and no gun to shoot them.

Considering Sportsmans used to have it for $6.99//20

[sroz]

Considering Sportsmans used to have it for $6.99//20

Yep. Them & several other places.

[sneakerd]

Evidently OD Green is not concerned with burning their current customers. That's too bad. This is the kind of thing that will seriously damage their business in the long run. I know one of their employees, he was in FL the other night scoping. Can't believe they raised their prices that way. We did no such thing- at all. We maaay have some Magpul mags in tomorrow. We will be raising prices, because we have to respond to the market and future cost. Unknown will be the ability to replace them once we sell them, or at what cost. NOT like OD Green.

[VolksDragon]

Good thing is I don't need any since I have more than enuf....and no gun to shoot them.

We could probably work something out in that regard....I happen to need some more ammo, and I have plenty of rifles. Let me know what you've got.

[sroz]

We could probably work something out in that regard....I happen to need some more ammo, and I have plenty of rifles. Let me know what you've got.

Like lots of others on this forum, I'm still hoping they'll drain that lake & find the guns I used to have.

[Coffee]

[sroz]

Agree, Dave. I've read a lot on running a business on some of these posts. The firing line has been doing it for quite a while....successfully. They did not see the need to play the game & I think have done quite well.

[sneakerd]

We also have -many- aluminum body mil-spec mags by Brownells and DPMS. The Brownells mags are some of the best, totally mil-spec with the latest no tilt follower and chrome silicon springs. I've been using these for years. Rarely do I use my Pmags. Everybody has such a hard-on for Pmags. Humbug! I prefer USGI and/or milspec aluminum mags. We have these mags for $24.95. Now. We have a number of 308 ARs including LMT and Christiansen.

[robertcolorado2009]

They are in Arvada. Used to be Westminster Arms or something like that. I want to know how their purchase went. Mine is not going too well. I will explain after I pick up the weapon. I did a 25% down and layaway - 30 day same as cash purchase.

Thanks,

Bob

[Brass]

Here's yesterday's thread about OD Green Supply. Never heard of them until someone outed them on this board.

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/76537-WOW!!!!-I-will-NEVER-go-to-OD-Green-Supply-ever-again

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Oh gee... Imagine that... [facepalm]

[wreave]

Hmm... wondering if they're saying that they won't honor the price? Or already sold the weapon to someone else (at a higher price)?

[Inconel710]

I can't believe none you have figured out what's going on here! ODGreen isn't lying about their prices going up - they're using Cheaper Than Dirt as their supplier!!!
[Coffee]

[robertcolorado2009]

That's what I am wondering. I am going to go there right after work today and just buy it today IF they still have it. Anyone want to bet they don't have it??? I will get back to this here tomorrow and let everyonme know what happened.

[newracer]

Did you already fill out a 4473?

[Great-Kazoo]

That's what I am wondering. I am going to go there right after work today and just buy it today IF they still have it. Anyone want to bet they don't have it??? I will get back to this here tomorrow and let everyonme know what happened.

Being a new member, reading other threads will help.

[DD977GM2]

Robert did you miss the thread at the bottom of page 1 on these clowns??

[Drucker]

Stinks, but not new anywhere.
I had an HK-91 on layaway while I went on vacation one time. While we were gone the Stockton School shooting occurred. The LGS gave me the option of paying $500 more or taking my deposit back.
Thinking on it, I should have bit the bullet, so to speak.

[XC700116]

Ammunition prices are like oil futures...they're priced at what it will cost them to replace what's on the shelf, not what it cost to buy wholesale. If their next skid of .223 is suddenly going to cost them significantly higher than what they've got, prices go up.

If supply significantly outpaces demand, the same thing happens. Should we praise those dealers who choose to keep their prices where they were a month ago? Absolutely. But we'll be bitching that they're sold out of everything, with no resupply in sight.

The retail business, especially the firearms trade, is always a delicate balance between supply / demand curves and market predictions. If you had 10,000 Pmags, and you KNEW you would sell every single one tomorrow no matter what, you had better price them as high as the customer will pay for them, or you're losing money. Especially when those 10,000 might be the last Pmags you'll see for a long while.

The gouging pisses me off, too...but I completely understand.


This is pretty much where I'm at, but IMO, People should know who's selling (or trying to) a commodity like Pmags for ridiculously high prices right now, and remember that in the future. I know I'm taking notes.

[MileHighOutlaw]

I have bought ammo from them and even bought a Bodyguard .380 from them on Sunday. The prices they (had) on everything in the store were really good. The staff was very friendly and courteous and they even threw in a box of free ammo for the .380 for my troubles of having to come back to pick up my gun because of the long wait times. Fast forward two days later and the prices went threw the roof! If you read the thread that was started on them you will find a liitle clip from Facebook where I was trying to figure out why the huge mark up and blah blah blah. All I know is they lost and will lose a ton of bussiness from here on out due to the poor way they handled things. Best of luck to you.

[MrPrena]

One of difference is that Oil gets traded at Mercantile Exchange, but ammunition are sold at a retail store.
Therefore, retailers can apply price discrimination and ADD gouge relative to their quantity.

[robertcolorado2009]

Yes, I did fill out the 4473, but they were supposed to call me to tell me of the approval and I've never heard from them. I did this on Sunday afternoon, the 16th. Why? will that make it morte likely I will get to keep this as originally contracted? I have a receipt with all the prices and what I have paid on it and what I owe. I'm going there in a couple of hours. I am expecting them to do what someone above said, pay an additional amount and it's yours. Even though I have a receipt. I am so pissed I didn't just pay for it out right on Sunday. All this hype has me all wound up now.

[Canuckistani]

If you could pay for it all on Sunday, why wouldn't you? Especially knowing the current state of affairs.

[robertcolorado2009]

Yes, I did fill out the 4473. I have a receipt for the purchase, what was paid and what is owed. They should honor that!!! I am so amped up now, I am leaving work in about 15 minutes and heading there. I am just going to pay for it today if they honor the "contract". I felt they weren't quit honest about the whole deal to begin with. The AR I bought is shown advertised(everywhere) with a rear sight, but I asked them twice about it. They said they "just take 'em out of the box and tag them, put 'em on the shelf." I called S/W and was told my particular rifle was shipped with a rear sight. S/W said they'd send a replacement for no charge because of how dealers have been stripping things off, then selling them. I think ODGreen has done that this time too.

[robertcolorado2009]

Who knew this was going to blow up like this so quickly! I am not a wealthy person, I need to be careful about cash flow. Now, I feel stupid about it, believe me!

[electronman1729]

My buddy just called me from there... Yesterday everything was priced within reason... PMags were $17/$20 Standard and Windowed... AKs and ARs were normally priced... 9mm and .223 was normal or marked up a little...

Today...

Ak47s: $2,500+
AR-15s: $3,500+
1,000 Rounds of .223: $800
9mm is $0.45 a round making it $450/1k
There's a Saiga 12 for $5,000.

And the $17/$20 PMags... $80 each...

Way to go OD Green Supply... Way to go... [Mad]


You forgot to say $399 for a 91/30 Mosin!

[Ed_S]

OK so the prices really suck but have you ever tried to buy a Ford Raptor or GT500 for MSRP. Some dealers add $20k markup to these!

Supply and demand unfortunately.

[wreave]

Hopefully it will work out for you. I'd be worried too, but hold on till you get there. If you have a receipt, I'd lean hard on that. Be prepared to shoot video of them saying they're not going to honor the price for which they sold you the rifle.

It's not a "contract", though. I would use language saying you've already bought the rifle. You just need to pay the final amount due.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Who knew this was going to blow up like this so quickly! I am not a wealthy person, I need to be careful about cash flow. Now, I feel stupid about it, believe me!

Don't feel stupid. You put it on Layaway. Price shouldn't change!

[sroz]

Who knew this was going to blow up like this so quickly! I am not a wealthy person, I need to be careful about cash flow. Now, I feel stupid about it, believe me!

You're not stupid. Speak directly to Andrew. I guess we'll see exactly where he stands. Hopefully he'll honor your agreement. If not, I guess we'll see how OD fares down the road. We have long memories....what's this thread about again??

Good luck!

[MileHighOutlaw]

Yes, I did fill out the 4473. I have a receipt for the purchase, what was paid and what is owed. They should honor that!!! I am so amped up now, I am leaving work in about 15 minutes and heading there. I am just going to pay for it today if they honor the "contract". I felt they weren't quit honest about the whole deal to begin with. The AR I bought is shown advertised(everywhere) with a rear sight, but I asked them twice about it. They said they "just take 'em out of the box and tag them, put 'em on the shelf." I called S/W and was told my particular rifle was shipped with a rear sight. S/W said they'd send a replacement for no charge because of how dealers have been stripping things off, then selling them. I think ODGreen has done that this time too.

So you were the one I heard Russ talking to about this while I was in the shop

[crays]

FWIW, I went in for the first time around a month ago. I thought for the most part, their prices were too high on just about everything, and really too high on quite a few items. I think their Mosins were $299 at that time. When I looked at the kid behind the counter with that "You've GOT to be shitting me" look after hearin the price, he tried to play it off like these were hard to find, priced similar to everywhere else, and "you get bunch of accessories with it". I guess I must have looked like it was my first time in a gun shop. I couldn't see the pricing on the AR's and such, but the HD shotguns I did eyeball were easily $100 overpriced.

There were a few random individual boxes of ammo along the wall that were in line, and I even picked up a flat of .410 bird shot (figured, Supprt LGS for only $5-$10 more than online). The majority of the cases of ammo, in any caliber, were overpriced.

They were surprisingly busy, though.

I didn't have that "I know I'll be going back there right away" feeling when I left, but figured I'd likely give them another shot somewhere down the line. After hearing/reading all these reports, I say Good Riddance to Bad Business.

My opinion. My choice.

[sroz]

My opinion. My choice.

I like the way you state it & agree.

[sneakerd]

Sooooo- evidently OD Green actually STEALS parts out of the factory boxes from guns that are supposedly equipped with that part? Gee- I wonder if they're also stealing the Pmags out of the gun boxes as well. Want to bet? Many of the current ARs come with Pmags in them. That really sucks and Russ should be absolutely ashamed of himself.

[sroz]

So what happened with robertcolorado2009? Hope he got it all worked out with them.

Dave - you still got those 20 PMAGs you were holding for me at $12 a piece?

[Beer]

[sroz]

Just kidding, everyone...

[sneakerd]

Thought you wanted 40? We don't have them yet guys, but they're coming. There will be a price increase due to demand and lack of availability.

[DFBrews]

Sooooo- evidently OD Green actually STEALS parts out of the factory boxes from guns that are supposedly equipped with that part. Gee- I wonder if they're also stealing the Pmags out of the gun boxes as well. Want to bet? Many of the current ARs come with Pmags in them. That really sucks and Russ should be absolutely ashamed of himself.I have never met you in person that I know of... but I have also worked with him on a professional level and all this does not suprise me... Even when he initially tried to cover his ass when I called him about it but can not not be undone now.

[robertcolorado2009]

Hey, they were really accomodating when I got there last night. I worked with the manager, I think his name is Andy(I really don't remember his name, but seemed to be a decent guy). But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum. I showed the receipt, I told him I wanted to go ahead and pay it off, he said he'd get it for me. He brought it out in the box and said I had to fill out another 4473 because they don't do any background calls until the peice is paid in full. I had filled one oput on Sunday, but after I did that, I had forgot he came over and explained they don't do that until it's all paid for. I had completely forgotten he said that on Sunday. So I filled it out. He then tells me that because of all the BS that was being said here, he was going to offer me a $50 price break from the original $699 price. PLUS he threw in 3 boxes of PMC .223's for free. So I feel like I got a good deal, he treated me right and hoped this will help with all the bad press he was getting. Maybe this is a case where some one heard something wrong, or just didn't understand what was actually going on there. He said I should be able to pick it up on Christmas Eve, that's when he expects the CBI come through with an answer on the 4473. I will let you all know when I actually get this murderous, mind of it's own, people killing monster in my grubby mitts so I can stop it from killing any more people. Just trying to protect the world from another vicious AR-15 by keeping under my control. Ooops, did I actually say(write) that?

[KevDen2005]

Hey, they were really accomodating when I got there last night. I worked with the manager, I think his name is Andy(I really don't remember his name, but seemed to be a decent guy). But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum. I showed the receipt, I told him I wanted to go ahead and pay it off, he said he'd get it for me. He brought it out in the box and said I had to fill out another 4473 because they don't do any background calls until the peice is paid in full. I had filled one oput on Sunday, but after I did that, I had forgot he came over and explained they don't do that until it's all paid for. I had completely forgotten he said that on Sunday. So I filled it out. He then tells me that because of all the BS that was being said here, he was going to offer me a $50 price break from the original $699 price. PLUS he threw in 3 boxes of PMC .223's for free. So I feel like I got a good deal, he treated me right and hoped this will help with all the bad press he was getting. Maybe this is a case where some one heard something wrong, or just didn't understand what was actually going on there. He said I should be able to pick it up on Christmas Eve, that's when he expects the CBI come through with an answer on the 4473. I will let you all know when I actually get this murderous, mind of it's own, people killing monster in my grubby mitts so I can stop it from killing any more people. Just trying to protect the world from another vicious AR-15 by keeping under my control. Ooops, did I actually say(write) that?


I suppose it could be a good deal. What did you buy? And too bad if his feelings are hurt. If it's true that $800 guns are going for $2000 then I have no sympathy for the guy.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Hey, they were really accomodating when I got there last night. I worked with the manager, I think his name is Andy(I really don't remember his name, but seemed to be a decent guy). But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum. I showed the receipt, I told him I wanted to go ahead and pay it off, he said he'd get it for me. He brought it out in the box and said I had to fill out another 4473 because they don't do any background calls until the peice is paid in full. I had filled one oput on Sunday, but after I did that, I had forgot he came over and explained they don't do that until it's all paid for. I had completely forgotten he said that on Sunday. So I filled it out. He then tells me that because of all the BS that was being said here, he was going to offer me a $50 price break from the original $699 price. PLUS he threw in 3 boxes of PMC .223's for free. So I feel like I got a good deal, he treated me right and hoped this will help with all the bad press he was getting. Maybe this is a case where some one heard something wrong, or just didn't understand what was actually going on there. He said I should be able to pick it up on Christmas Eve, that's when he expects the CBI come through with an answer on the 4473. I will let you all know when I actually get this murderous, mind of it's own, people killing monster in my grubby mitts so I can stop it from killing any more people. Just trying to protect the world from another vicious AR-15 by keeping under my control. Ooops, did I actually say(write) that?

Are PMags still $80-$90 each? If so, he really doesn't care about what's being said.

[BPTactical]

"But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum."

Then maybe one should not put themselves in a position to garner such attention.

[sroz]

Andrew is the guy I suggested you talk to. Sounds like he at least did right by you. This is a new company & I think it would be a huge mistake to acquire such a bad reputation as a startup. Glad it worked out in your case, but still think they have to decide who they want to be when they grow up as it appears a lot of others have gotten screwed. I for one will avoid them. They should read Bert's post and use it as a model.

[TheBelly]

Hey, they were really accomodating when I got there last night. I worked with the manager, I think his name is Andy(I really don't remember his name, but seemed to be a decent guy). But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum. So I feel like I got a good deal, he treated me right and hoped this will help with all the bad press he was getting. Maybe this is a case where some one heard something wrong, or just didn't understand what was actually going on there.

Once there is the smallest drop of black paint in a bucket of white, the whole bucket turns grey. That being said, it will take a LOT of white to get the grey out of his bucket. I won't shop there. I won't even go in the doors.

[jhood001]

Glad they honored the layaway price. However, I wouldn't feel like they did anything special for you for honoring the originally agreed price. Especially after mentioning this forum. It isn't cutting someone a deal when the only reason they're doing it is because they have a razor to their throat.

Regardless, I'll give them another shot down the road when their prices aren't so supply-ee demandee-ish.

[jhood001]

He then tells me that because of all the BS that was being said here, he was going to offer me a $50 price break from the original $699 price. PLUS he threw in 3 boxes of PMC .223's for free.

By the way, did you happen to look to see how much they were selling your rear sight to someone else for?

[Byte Stryke]

"But he was very upset about what was being said about the store on this forum."

Then maybe one should not put themselves in a position to garner such attention.

it is his store and he is free to price as he sees fit
and I am free to tell him to piss up a rope.
:D

[JM Ver. 2.0]

So far as I have read, some people are mad that they have to pay more for a gun now and are making up crazy ideas of how OD Green sells the parts off that the gun comes with? A buddy of mine had a problem with 5280 selling him an XDs and a Beretta PX4 with only 1 mag each. I know XDs comes with 2 and when he checked with Beretta they said it came with 2 and depending when shipped, possibly 3 mags. I may be a little disturbed but I wouldn't accuse 5280 of being thieves. Matt and Gina are good people. I see what it comes with before I purchase and if it still seems like an ok buy, I pull the trigger. As I am sure you all know, things are getting hard to find and sources are damn near dry. I know Andy is a fair guy from my dealing with him. I have bought lots of guns and ammo from him and I know he wouldn't screw anyone over like that and steal parts off of guns. If you felt the need to finally get up and get an AR or AK after the CT shooting, you're options on sourcing are limited. Its a free market and if he cant resupply the guns and it's hit or miss if he can get his pmag order fulfilled, why would he sell them for previous market price? Anyone want to sell me the pmags you have? For the $15 you paid before? Anyone that says yes is not that bright. Furthermore, if you don't like the price, why complain? Shop around for a better deal! If you really want a genuine Twinkie today, how much would you be willing to pay? If it isn't worth the money to me, I pass up on the Twinkie. A normal slammed day for gun shops had a CBI queue of ~100-120. The queue for the last 4 days at any store I went to was 5500-6500 people and will probably only shrink when all are sold or we get the miracle that Obama decides "assault" rifles are A-OK. Supply was known to probably diminish because of legislation, demand went up by 50 times virtually overnight. With only a 1 month window for manufacturers to put more out and meet the current demand to keep your prices low and "normal" seems like an unrealistic dream. robertcolorado2009 I am glad it seems he took care of you and even gave some freebies for the misunderstanding. I would've panicked a bit too if I were in your situation but it seems like the true colors of the shop showed and they honored their promises.

Yep... True colors show... $90 PMags... Real winners over there at OD Green Supply.

[sneakerd]

I was probably way too harsh saying what I said earlier in this thread. I have no personal knowledge as to how they do business. This is a crazy time in the gun biz. It's not that hard to make mistakes. Maybe we should take a deep breath and back off for a bit.
Certainly they did make a few mistakes according to other forum members, hopefully they'll take it as a learning experience. No one here should imply or hope that they go down. The more competition in the gun biz the better it is for everyone.[shit-happens]

[Fmedges]

Fuck em. Doing the right thing after you got caught fucking around is still not the right thing. You can go ahead and take Andy's dick out of your mouth sjl.

[sneakerd]

fair enough- sorry for the "over" reaction.

[opie011]

So far as I have read, some people are mad that they have to pay more for a gun now and are making up crazy ideas of how OD Green sells the parts off that the gun comes with? A buddy of mine had a problem with 5280 selling him an XDs and a Beretta PX4 with only 1 mag each. I know XDs comes with 2 and when he checked with Beretta they said it came with 2 and depending when shipped, possibly 3 mags. I may be a little disturbed but I wouldn't accuse 5280 of being thieves. Matt and Gina are good people. I see what it comes with before I purchase and if it still seems like an ok buy, I pull the trigger. As I am sure you all know, things are getting hard to find and sources are damn near dry. I know Andy is a fair guy from my dealing with him. I have bought lots of guns and ammo from him and I know he wouldn't screw anyone over like that and steal parts off of guns. If you felt the need to finally get up and get an AR or AK after the CT shooting, you're options on sourcing are limited. Its a free market and if he cant resupply the guns and it's hit or miss if he can get his pmag order fulfilled, why would he sell them for previous market price? Anyone want to sell me the pmags you have? For the $15 you paid before? Anyone that says yes is not that bright. Furthermore, if you don't like the price, why complain? Shop around for a better deal! If you really want a genuine Twinkie today, how much would you be willing to pay? If it isn't worth the money to me, I pass up on the Twinkie. A normal slammed day for gun shops had a CBI queue of ~100-120. The queue for the last 4 days at any store I went to was 5500-6500 people and will probably only shrink when all are sold or we get the miracle that Obama decides "assault" rifles are A-OK. Supply was known to probably diminish because of legislation, demand went up by 50 times virtually overnight. With only a 1 month window for manufacturers to put more out and meet the current demand to keep your prices low and "normal" seems like an unrealistic dream. robertcolorado2009 I am glad it seems he took care of you and even gave some freebies for the misunderstanding. I would've panicked a bit too if I were in your situation but it seems like the true colors of the shop showed and they honored their promises.


Fuck em. Doing the right thing after you got caught fucking around is still not the right thing. You can go ahead and take Andy's dick out of your mouth sjl.


f off pal.

Dave I dont think that was meant for you.

[funkymonkey1111]

I was probably way too harsh saying what I said earlier in this thread. I have no personal knowledge as to how they do business. This is a crazy time in the gun biz. It's not that hard to make mistakes. Maybe we should take a deep breath and back off for a bit.
Certainly they did make a few mistakes according to other forum members, hopefully they'll take it as a learning experience. No one here should imply or hope that they go down. The more competition in the gun biz the better it is for everyone.[shit-happens]
Did you get a cease and desist letter or something?