Disgustingly false article put out by 9News.

[def90]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/306060/188/Gun-laws-show-difficulty-of-stemming-violent-acts

Just one of the lies:
"But the ban and other U.S. gun laws wouldn't have prevented his mother's purchase of the powerful assault rifle or the especially deadly ammunition that he used to kill 26 people."

"especially deadly ammunition" where do they get this stuff?

[Gunner]

Just writers trying to use adjectives and going way overboard with it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Fear & loathing in USA

Call and write them. or if unlike me you're FB friendly go to their FB page and reeducate them

[buffalobo]

They don't care about accuracy in their reporting, they have an agenda.

[Teufelhund]

Blasted them a little over it on their FB page. I'm sure they'll delete it shortly.

[Rucker61]

They don't care about accuracy in their reporting, they have an agenda.


And that agenda, on any topic, is selling airtime or papers or magazines. I loathe the media.

[akumadiavolo]

Well ,to be fair, does anyone know if he used hollow or soft point bullets? Those are designed specifically to cause more soft tissue damage and be more lethal. It's still a very biased article, but it could be accurate to some degree.

[Teufelhund]

I take issue with that particular phrasing because there are no varying degrees of "deadly." Like digital logic, it either is or is not. Stating that it was "especially deadly ammunition" is intended to invoke fear that this guy was out to make people really, really dead, as opposed to mostly dead.

[TRnCO]

that is exactly right in such as if he'd have used a .308, the lifes lost would still be the same.

[Byte Stryke]

because being 'especially dead' is worse than being "just dead."

[akumadiavolo]

I take issue with that particular phrasing because there are no varying degrees of "deadly." Like digital logic, it either is or is not. Stating that it was "especially deadly ammunition" is intended to invoke fear that this guy was out to make people really, really dead, as opposed to mostly dead.


But that's just not true. Hollow points are undeniably more deadly to a human than a FMJ or solid cast bullets. There very much are varying degree's of deadly. Both kill you the same dead, but some are far more likely to do it, with all other conditions being the same, than others. Otherwise we would all be using the cheapest FMJ ammo in our HD and CCW's instead of purpose made expensive self defense ammo.

[Teufelhund]

Which do the military use in their rifles? FMJ or JHP? (hint: it's the first one.)

I do see your point that some types of ammunition possess better ballistic qualities than others. I do indeed carry Gold Dots in my CCW as opposed to the RNFP I punch paper with, for that very reason. Point conceded. I think the greater point of contention, and the reason some of us here take issue with the specific language used in the article is that it was completely unnecessary and obviously intended to demonstrate bias. Judging by the overall biased tone of the entire article, this particular phrasing would have been present regardless of the type of ammo used; they wouldn't bother to research it anyway.

[TFOGGER]

That article was taken from the AP newswire. That is where we should direct our ire. The blatant use of inflammatory buzzwords made my head want to explode.

[ChunkyMonkey]

That's written by AP which has been extremely anti gun.

[spqrzilla]

I usually note in my letters to editors etc. that the .223 Remington is so weak its illegal to use it to hunt deer in many states, including Colorado

[Fmedges]

I've seen it being reported by idiots on other networks that he used "explosive" bullets.

[Fmedges]

Which do the military use in their rifles? FMJ or JHP? (hint: it's the first one.)

I do see your point that some types of ammunition possess better ballistic qualities than others. I do indeed carry Gold Dots in my CCW as opposed to the RNFP I punch paper with, for that very reason. Point conceded. I think the greater point of contention, and the reason some of us here take issue with the specific language used in the article is that it was completely unnecessary and obviously intended to demonstrate bias. Judging by the overall biased tone of the entire article, this particular phrasing would have been present regardless of the type of ammo used; they wouldn't bother to research it anyway.

FMJ's are because of war laws that only we follow, same with triangular bayonets.

[SuperiorDG]

FMJ's are because of war laws that only we follow, same with triangular bayonets.

I've heard we have stopped using bayonets all together.

[Fmedges]

I've heard we have stopped using bayonets all together.

Funny. At least one service has the balls to fix bayonets

[def90]

They chose to use it without bothering to vet it so they're just as guilty.

[def90]

I usually note in my letters to editors etc. that the .223 Remington is so weak its illegal to use it to hunt deer in many states, including Colorado

I responded with that bit of info as well when I responded to them.

[akumadiavolo]

Which do the military use in their rifles? FMJ or JHP? (hint: it's the first one.)

I do see your point that some types of ammunition possess better ballistic qualities than others. I do indeed carry Gold Dots in my CCW as opposed to the RNFP I punch paper with, for that very reason. Point conceded. I think the greater point of contention, and the reason some of us here take issue with the specific language used in the article is that it was completely unnecessary and obviously intended to demonstrate bias. Judging by the overall biased tone of the entire article, this particular phrasing would have been present regardless of the type of ammo used; they wouldn't bother to research it anyway.

That actually helps my case. JHP are illegal in war because they do too much damage to soft tissue.

I know they use inflammatory language, but it's no worse that what people here do when they have an opinion or on any right leaning news source as well. But this is all probably moot because I doubt the writer knows what kind of bullet was used, and for no real reason I am betting it was FMJ anyway. But that is the nature of any news source, right or left leaning.