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Is selling something at MSRP price goughing? I know car dealers sell cars for more than MSRP when then get a "hard to get" car/truck. What is your opinion? What about firearms?
Is selling something at MSRP price goughing? I know car dealers sell cars for more than MSRP when then get a "hard to get" car/truck. What is your opinion? What about firearms?
no msrp is not gouging , but seeing as people seem to think everything comes to the vendor free , you can sell it for half that [Coffee]
Rooskibar03
12-20-2012, 18:49
Supply and demand. I have it, no one else does and you want it. Time to pay up.
Ive never been a fan of the market adjustment on MSRP but I don't see anything wrong with selling at MSRP if you can get it.
henpecked
12-20-2012, 18:54
nice guys finish last........... I was reasonable once then the guy I sold it to turned right around and sold it for 3 times what he paid for it.
within 2 weeks. charge whatever you like and dont feel bad
brokenscout
12-20-2012, 19:00
These are want items, its only going to get worse.. Make what you can
sabot_round
12-20-2012, 19:00
I for one will never pay MSRP for anything. I rather wait until the hoopla settles down and then purchase it.
SR
tmleadr03
12-20-2012, 19:05
"Price Gouging" is a made up liberal phrase.
Great-Kazoo
12-20-2012, 19:06
WELLLLLLLLL.
IMO. Did it cost you that much originally? WHO CARES. What's it going to cost you to replace it, if you could get your hands on one?
I have an item that i am wavering on. Do i sell now or wait until the NRA either capitulates OR stands it's ground? Do i buy 100 mags for X with a definite return investment (hopefully) or does the market tank and i have another $$$$$$$$$$$ on my CC.
Up side of all this is Obama and the anti-gun crowd has done what no one could to spur the economy, no one.
Gun buyers have flooded other firearms retailers too. The Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, racked up more than $1 million in sales yesterday for the best single-day performance since the store opened in 1959, according to Justin Anderson, director of online sales. At the top of shoppers' lists was the Bushmaster AR-15, the model of rifle used at Newtown that sells for as much as $4,000 and had almost sold out, he said.
I guess it really depends on whether you are looking at a short term profit as a last hurrah for your business(assuming that a potential ban will put you out of business anyway), or if you are looking to retain customers in the long term. Beer at the ball park is 7 bucks for what you can get across the street for a buck and a half, but nobody is going to the ballpark to drink beer if the team isn't playing.
Selling at MSRP in times of high demand isn't gouging, charging several times that playing on customer's fears is, and is short term strategy. When the media finds something else to sensationalize, the market will settle down, and customers will remember those that tried to profiteer.
I have it, you want it. If you think my price is too high just walk away or negotiate. You aren't entitled to my property. Complaining about gouging is the same as wanting for me to pay for your free obama phone. Accusing someone of gouging is declaring yourself a thief.
There is one exception. I would consider it unethical if it was a life or death item. For example charging a diabetic $1000 for a hit of insulin that you only paid a dollar for. I would consider that a moral wrong.
RCCrawler
12-20-2012, 19:54
I paid almost double MSRP for a gun a few month ago before all this hoopla. The gun is hard to get ahold of, has a high demand, and I didn't feel like waiting for prices to drop. No one forced me to make that purchase.
Also I'd be willing to be that depending on what happens in the next few months what I paid will be about half of what it's going for.
I paid almost double MSRP for a gun a few month ago before all this hoopla. The gun is hard to get ahold of, has a high demand, and I didn't feel like waiting for prices to drop. No one forced me to make that purchase.
Also I'd be willing to be that depending on what happens in the next few months what I paid will be about half of what it's going for.so you bought an operator level high point glock 9mm too [LOL]
RCCrawler
12-20-2012, 21:21
Not quite.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/members/jason-5-albums2-38441.jpg
ChunkyMonkey
12-20-2012, 21:22
Capitalism > Socialism, all I am going to say.
mtnrider
12-20-2012, 21:35
I guess it really depends on whether you are looking at a short term profit as a last hurrah for your business(assuming that a potential ban will put you out of business anyway), or if you are looking to retain customers in the long term.
While I don't agree with the "fair weather" shops that have suddenly raised there prices I do believe there is some truth in the "last Hurrah" theory. I really think Obama is going to drop the hammer and throw everything he can and the gun control. Most of these shops are going to fold in no time once he does. They probably figure they better get every last penny they can before they close the doors.
Is selling something at MSRP price goughing? I know car dealers sell cars for more than MSRP when then get a "hard to get" car/truck. What is your opinion? What about firearms?
Sounds like you're trying to figure out what your selling price will be. So, based on all the feedback what have you decided?
SouthPaw
12-22-2012, 13:00
Exactly what Jim said. What is it going to cost you to get a replacement? No one is getting price gouged unless they want to and at that point they are paying what current market is.
DireWolf
12-22-2012, 13:09
Not quite.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/members/jason-5-albums2-38441.jpg
Nice rig! I was looking at those myself, but didn't want to pay the huge markup without ever actually seeing/using one in person....Wish Kel-tec would just make more of these so that ordinary mortals could find/afford one...
Buckaroobonsai
12-22-2012, 13:31
First off, I'm not judging anybody. This is just my personal, humble opinion.
I've got to know many of you here on the forum over the past year. Some in passing, others on a regular basis. Some I even consider friends, as we've hung out and broken bread together. That being said, I choose to sell my stuff to other members at a fair price. Not what the rest of the crazy world is calling "fair" based on fear of the unknown, but what things would normally cost before all this crap started. I've gotten good deals from other members, and I try to pass it on to the next. I still believe in helping out my fellow man, and treating others as I would want to be treated. I understand that businesses need to stay in business, but when it comes to deals with fellow members, I refuse to overcharge as a seller, as in my next deal, I'm usually the buyer.
Again, just my two cents...
[Dunno]
^^THIS^^
I won't throw insults at somebody who's using capitalism to make a quick, easy profit, but by the same token I don't intend to be part of it.
R&S I'd say price w/ how you'll be able to sleep at night. If this is how you're going to feed your family then make as much as you can. You might not get to sell anything coming up. It's a sellers market. Someone somewhere is willing to pay the price.
pickenup
12-22-2012, 22:22
Some may be glad that the market has caught back up to where it was, when they bought an item during the last scare, and are only trying to recoup what they paid for it back then.
People remember who was trying to help someone else out and who was trying to make a quick buck off of paranoia. Make a few extra dollars today but may lose the shop next year. The maddness will die down soon and I'll add more to my inventory then. I've crossed a few shops and people off the list I will buy from in the past week; I'm sure i'm not the only one. I'll pay a few bucks more to help an honest person out rather than go back to a person/place that was raping shooters in a panic.
charge what you want. the people who piss and moan can't afford it.
As I have said before, I have "helped" some folks out by giving a "great deal" on a hard to get item and a promise they would keep it and not resale it. Then that item ends up on gunbroker for more than twice what they paid for it (same day). I have learned that I can't trust some folks because their "word" is for sale to the highest bidder. I have decided that if I get an AR15 and/or high cap mags (which I have no problem selling) I will put my normal markup on it (which isn't that much) but I will be putting it on gunbroker.com. However, I may also choose to sell an AR15 at MSRP (if I can get one). That way I am not overpricing an item it will be priced reasonably and if the public wants to pay more for it by bidding that is their business and the profit will go to my business and not to the person I gave the "great deal". My other guns that are for sale will have the normal markup.
The real issue is that if I can get one or more, how many more? If a ban goes on them the prices will really skyrocket and I won't be able to get replacements. Then again, if Grandfathering is not allowed I might get stuck with a bunch of ARs that I will have try to sell to LEOs.
comments welcomed
Sell it for whatever the market will bear, if that number is $1500 over MSRP then do it, the stock market works this way, no reason why guns should be different. Berkshire Hathaway Class A can be bought for $134,800 per share, I'd love to own some, maybe if I write a whiny letter to Mr. Buffet he'll give it to me for what I consider a fair price, more than likely he'll tell me to go pound sand and that is exactly what Mr. Buffet should do.
We don't know if the replacement for these guns costs are going to rise and furthermore we don't even know if we'll be allowed to replace them, the retailer has to account for both of those variables.
The government must allow grandfathering, they really have no choice. The current government might have the desire to remove these guns from our hands but they do not have the manpower to carry out that desire. This is a very sticky situation for the government.
This is going to be interesting to watch.
Circuits
12-23-2012, 10:47
I will put my normal markup on it (which isn't that much) but I will be putting it on gunbroker.com.
This. Let the market set the final price.
Most retail pricing is based on being able to turn over inventory, so that you can buy in new stock to replace what has been sold, and the difference between those prices pays your overhead and generates your profits. If the items you're selling can't be replaced, or at least not be readily replaced, and sold at or near the same price, then a shop which sells at the "old" price is ensuring it can't get in any new stock to sell, so no turnover, so no overheads being paid or profit being made.
If an item sold cannot be restocked at or near the same price, it is only logical from the seller's perspective that he has to make more profit on each item sold, in order to displace the lost revenue of not being able to restock and turn over new inventory. The buyers (market) generally agree to this principle, in that scarcity means they cannot find the goods at the old prices, so have to be willing to pay more to buy some of the smaller number of those goods still available in the marketplace.
It's not an opportunistic conspiracy, it's a reflection of running a business in a semi-capitalist economy.
If the seller can't replace the commodity to keep turning over sales at the old price and profit margin, they can't afford to part with current stocks at (just) the same old price.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323007467 here's one for $1425 + $30 shipping + ffl fees and it is only a 10 rounder
Trading (selling/ buying) Commodities at a market cmex is different than buying/selling firearm.
omegalopez
12-23-2012, 14:27
Randy,
The way I see it, you have room to increase your price range. Most people your selling to will be first time buyers and those that waited to the last minute are likely to never purchase another firearm again-It will sit in a safe. Most of people here have what they need and know what items are worth and a price increase will not affect most people We are all adults and no one is forcing us to purchase something that we are not willing to pay for. I am guilty for paying MSRP for items because it is something I wanted and I was unable to get it elsewhere. Again, because I wanted it.
From what I witnessed at the tanner gun show you have the lowest price point already, in fact it is lower than your competitor and most people will not notice a price increases most of them have not done their "homework" and will go with the mindset of, "I need a firearm before they're all band". I'm not suggesting to price gouge just be fair and increase your price point leave the gouging to me [Evil]. I'm considering parting with some item left over from a similar boating accident and tripling the price, in a legal way with a FFL on consignment with a 4473, and if they sell my next hobby is FOOD STORAGE.
If things are this crazy with the firearm community can you imagine if SHTF really happens-WOW........
You have always been fair to members here and always offered fair prices to loyal customers.
This horse has been beat to death, but here is my $.02 worth.
There is no such thing as price gouging. If you want to offer an item for sale, list it at whatever price you want. If a buyer wants it at that price, he will purchase it. If he doesn't want it at the listed price, he should move along. The term supply and demand actually means something. Any item in the world is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it at any given time. Two weeks ago my rifles and magazines were worth a certain amount to me (and potential buyers). Today they are worth more to me (and potential buyers). In two months, who knows what they may be worth? Only time will tell.
No one is screwing anyone if they choose to sell their items at an amount more than they paid for them. No one is forcing the buyer to pay what is being asked, are they? If the price tag is too high, move along. If you can afford it - buy it and don't look back.
I believe there are some folks who are a little hurt they didn't plan ahead. Hopefully next time they will be better prepared...
Is it just me, or are the folks not jumping at the higher prices as quickly. Notice a slowdown in movement on several forums and reductions in asking price. Is anyone else seeing the same?
I'm not seeing it:
5 windowed PMags - $245 + shipping ($49/ea). Auction closes in 2 hours. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323341893
Sorry. Referring to the AR sales. I should have made myself clearer. I'm seeing a lot of people on the forums posting with price drops. Even a couple on here.
Sorry. Referring to the AR sales. I should have made myself clearer. I'm seeing a lot of people not the forums posting with price drops. Even a couple on here.
Market correction already? Maybe people are thinking "if I buy this the gov is only going to take it away". I don't know.
I'm wondering how long this can go on. The 2008 episode lasted until around mid-2009 IIRC, maybe I don't remember correctly.
Maybe just a pause to rethink....till someone or something fuels it again.
mevshooter
12-23-2012, 16:33
How many of you own gold and are happy with the HUGE return you are getting on that investment right now? By these estimations, there is a huge amount of "price gouging" going on with gold.
And don't give me that "gold is a precious medal, investments, blah blah blah" crap. Gold is a functionally useless as it has no nutritional value, can not be turned into fuel for a car, and won't protect you from a storm. But it is WORTH something to a lot of people. Because it is a "precious" metal.
And there we find its value.
I agree that the prices are ridiculous, but if I have a product that everyone wants (lets say, apple computers) and people are willing to pay 600 dollars for something that cost 22 and some change to make, that means I have an awesome product that people want.
Gun shops gouging prices? Well, if no one ever shopped there again, they would go out of business, and all of the other shops around town would get the message.
I for one will never pay MSRP for anything. I rather wait until the hoopla settles down and then purchase it.
SR
^^^This. As soon as people quit drinking the f'ing Kool-Aid I'll go back to looking at the trading post.
tmleadr03
12-23-2012, 18:59
In 3-6 months you will be able to pick them up for less then MSRP as the first time buyers dump them.
palepainter
12-23-2012, 20:06
I think the prepared guys here, like myself, can just sit back and enjoy the drama. Nothing would compel me to sell anything because of the money. Now, certainly is not the time to buy. I am sitting fine and will just watch shit get crazy with a smile on my face. I just saw an ar for 5000. hahahaha hahahahaah.....[Pop]
In 3-6 months you will be able to pick them up for less then MSRP as the first time buyers dump them.
I like your thinking. Save our pennies and we'll do our own rifle buyback.
I remember the last mad rush. I picked up some "non threatening" guns that people were selling CHEAP. then when everyone settled down the dump started and the Arsenal AKs were around 400 bucks. And lots of other stuff got real cheap. Magazines were half price. Similar to when the AWB sun-setted. I think tmleadr03 and roberth have it figured out.. In six months stuff may be cheap.
Great-Kazoo
12-23-2012, 22:31
UPDATE Amazing some of the same "Gouging folks" have shit for sale here and other gun boards. AT TODAYS MARKET / DEMAND PRICING. FAIL! Buy/ Sell or Ignore.
JM Ver. 2.0
12-24-2012, 01:12
UPDATE Amazing some of the same "Gouging folks" have shit for sale here and other gun boards. AT TODAYS MARKET / DEMAND PRICING. FAIL! Buy/ Sell or Ignore.
I resemble that remark.... Lol.
UPDATE Amazing some of the same "Gouging folks" have shit for sale here and other gun boards. AT TODAYS MARKET / DEMAND PRICING. FAIL! Buy/ Sell or Ignore.
Hypocrisy has no bounds.
Aloha_Shooter
12-24-2012, 08:31
I don't believe any price is gouging. If you don't like the price, don't buy. Price "gouging" only works in an environment of extremely short supply and high demand -- the alternative without "gouging" is NO supply and even higher demand.
Great-Kazoo
12-24-2012, 08:34
I don't believe any price is gouging. If you don't like the price, don't buy. Price "gouging" only works in an environment of extremely short supply and high demand -- the alternative without "gouging" is NO supply and even higher demand.
Once again. Some who complain are the same who pm, call or text other members asking what they have and how much. Hipocracy or staying off radar?
SA Friday
12-24-2012, 12:54
Price gouging is a viable accusation. Crying about it isn't. Buy it or don't buy it.
Short term profit based on the current fears of purchasers in the market is also viable. Just keep in mind, the gun market is a long term prospect for many businesses and customers remember. I know of at least two major companies that will never see a penny of my money ever again. I know a few private sellers that won't either. Everyone has the right to weigh and measure the impact of the now vs the future for themselves.
tmleadr03
12-24-2012, 16:14
Once again. Price gouging does not exist. It is a made up phrase by people who want to decide for me what I should sell my goods and services for. If you don't like the price DONT BUY IT. Find a price you like. If someone wants to buy it they will. If the item is listed higher then the market will stand then it won't sell and the seller will either not make a sale or will drop the price till they do make a sale.
Once again. Price gouging does not exist. It is a made up phrase by people who want to decide for me what I should sell my goods and services for. If you don't like the price DONT BUY IT. Find a price you like. If someone wants to buy it they will. If the item is listed higher then the market will stand then it won't sell and the seller will either not make a sale or will drop the price till they do make a sale.
Good idea in theory until it's YOUR medications, food,water, or any other substance you need to survive.
centrarchidae
12-24-2012, 20:43
Good idea in theory until it's YOUR medications, food,water, or any other substance you need to survive.
That doesn't invalidate TMLeader03's statement. "Gougers" or "speculators" may charge too much for something you want, in your opinion. But if they charge more than people are willing to pay, then people won't pay.
They're not setting their prices in a vacuum. A high price reflects a relatively low supply, relative to demand. Just look at generators in the aftermath of Katrina or Sandy: Everybody wanted them, but there were only so many to go around.
What makes this even worse is, there's no way to fix it that won't make things worse: if you restrict what a seller can charge, then you effectively guarantee that there won't BE any supply once the cost of providing that good/service rises above the politically-acceptable price.
Don't get me wrong: I would dearly love to buy myself a Magpulized Colt 6920 and 3000 rounds of Guatemalan M193 for a thousand bucks out the door. That does not obligate anybody with a rifle to sell one to me at that (or any other) price. It's his rifle to do with however he wants.
Sharpienads
12-24-2012, 21:24
Good idea in theory until it's YOUR medications, food,water, or any other substance you need to survive.
Your right. The selling price of a product should be assessed based on what the buyer can afford to pay. Somebody should really do something about this evil capitalism thing.
tmleadr03
12-24-2012, 21:34
Good idea in theory until it's YOUR medications, food,water, or any other substance you need to survive.
Why are my requirements for life the problems of the person selling the item? I buy my food, water and all the other substance I need to survive and to keep my family alive.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
Not saying that capitalism is wrong, I'm saying that your statement of "price gouging" not existing is false since you only applied it to things you don't consider life sustaining. The current rise in prices will continue as long as people continue to pay for them and will in time become the norm. Water, food, medications, fuel and many other items have all followed this rule. We know those items don't cost near what we pay for them yet we still buy them becuse we need them to survive or to fulfill a basic need.
tmleadr03
12-24-2012, 21:47
Not saying that capitalism is wrong, I'm saying that your statement of "price gouging" not existing is false since you only applied it to things you don't consider life sustaining. The current rise in prices will continue as long as people continue to pay for them and will in time become the norm. Water, food, medications, fuel and many other items have all followed this rule. We know those items don't cost near what we pay for them yet we still buy them becuse we need them to survive or to fulfill a basic need.
It is made up even when it is a requirement for life.
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centrarchidae
12-24-2012, 22:06
Not saying that capitalism is wrong, I'm saying that your statement of "price gouging" not existing is false since you only applied it to things you don't consider life sustaining. The current rise in prices will continue as long as people continue to pay for them and will in time become the norm. Water, food, medications, fuel and many other items have all followed this rule. We know those items don't cost near what we pay for them yet we still buy them becuse we need them to survive or to fulfill a basic need.
So, what should water, food, medications, fuel, etc. cost?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/big-baby_zpsbb530a32.jpg
it's funny, it wasn't until Barry stated he was going to do to curb the violence that I started getting calls from across the country asking if I had any AR15s, they started with "Hi Randy, do you remember me?". Then, hey can you get me a good deal on an AR15? My response was to check gunbroker and I will do the paperwork for $20.00. Funny how some folks won't give you the time of day until they want something that you can provide at a "good deal". [facepalm]
kidicarus13
12-25-2012, 00:16
There was a run on ammo after the 2008 elections, and for nearly all of 2009, if you didn't already have it, you weren't going to find it. That was a measly 47 months ago. Now, my memory is about as bad as anyone's in existence, and yet even I can recall that everything from .22 - .308 was out of stock, everywhere. For some reason, there is a collective amnesia and we are seeing it all over again and many of our dear cohorts here keep trying to eloquently articulate that "this time it's different" -and they should not have to pay more than they were paying three weeks ago.
For those of you that have used the term "gouging" in a derogatory way in the last few weeks... you need to reread above.
For those of you too moral to increase your prices during this time of great uncertainty and instability... good for you, you're doing better financially than me. What do you have for sale and when can I come pick it up?
Great-Kazoo
12-25-2012, 00:44
I think it's a given at this point that I'm not overly diplomatic online (I think I might be more tolerable in-person). That said, I can't get past some of the posts I've seen on 'gouging' lately.
Yesterday I was speaking with a friend over lunch and stated that I dearly hoped that Colorado doesn't face an event like hurricanes' Katrina or Sandy due to the response I'd seen on this site regarding the recent run on ammo/mags/guns. We have now had YEARS that featured extreme availability to easily purchase anything we have wanted in terms of firearms and accessories, at reasonable prices, widely in stock, and yet so very many have chosen to sit by and idly wait until push very definitely came to shove ten days ago.
If we have a major weather event here in the Front Range area, I have zero doubt that 95% of the membership of this site will be the ones standing in lines with 2-gallon gas cans because they didn't think ahead. The majority here will be scrambling in utter panic for that last loaf of Wonder Bread and a jar of Skippy while complaining that the only vendor that has plastic knives for them to spread their peanut butter is charging $3 instead of $.99 for the plastic cutlery. They're 'gouging'!
There was a run on ammo after the 2008 elections, and for nearly all of 2009, if you didn't already have it, you weren't going to find it. That was a measly 47 months ago. Now, my memory is about as bad as anyone's in existence, and yet even I can recall that everything from .22 - .308 was out of stock, everywhere. For some reason, there is a collective amnesia and we are seeing it all over again and many of our dear cohorts here keep trying to eloquently articulate that "this time it's different" -and they should not have to pay more than they were paying three weeks ago.
Someone on this site posted about buying a fire extinguisher when the house was already in flames. Some of y'all are poster children for that behavior.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/big-baby_zpsbb530a32.jpg
I doubt there would be any issues in this neck of the woods. After the tornado supposedly a few looters were in the area, for about 5 minutes. Those who could did, no one was left out and everyone was covered. Neighbor helping neighbor, something we did and still do , no matter how large the town has grown.
it's funny, it wasn't until Barry stated he was going to do to curb the violence that I started getting calls from across the country asking if I had any AR15s, they started with "Hi Randy, do you remember me?". Then, hey can you get me a good deal on an AR15? My response was to check gunbroker and I will do the paperwork for $20.00. Funny how some folks won't give you the time of day until they want something that you can provide at a "good deal". [facepalm]
The other thing I want to know is if they didn't have money for an $800 AR 2 weeks ago, where did they get $2000 for an AR now?
omegalopez
12-25-2012, 00:58
I doubt there would be any issues in this neck of the woods. After the tornado supposedly a few looters were in the area, for about 5 minutes. Those who could did, no one was left out and everyone was covered. Neighbor helping neighbor, something we did and still do , no matter how large the town has grown.
+1
I think it's a given at this point that I'm not overly diplomatic online (I think I might be more tolerable in-person). That said, I can't get past some of the posts I've seen on 'gouging' lately.
Yesterday I was speaking with a friend over lunch and stated that I dearly hoped that Colorado doesn't face an event like hurricanes' Katrina or Sandy due to the response I'd seen on this site regarding the recent run on ammo/mags/guns. We have now had YEARS that featured extreme availability to easily purchase anything we have wanted in terms of firearms and accessories, at reasonable prices, widely in stock, and yet so very many have chosen to sit by and idly wait until push very definitely came to shove ten days ago.
If we have a major weather event here in the Front Range area, I have zero doubt that 95% of the membership of this site will be the ones standing in lines with 2-gallon gas cans because they didn't think ahead. The majority here will be scrambling in utter panic for that last loaf of Wonder Bread and a jar of Skippy while complaining that the only vendor that has plastic knives for them to spread their peanut butter is charging $3 instead of $.99 for the plastic cutlery. They're 'gouging'!
There was a run on ammo after the 2008 elections, and for nearly all of 2009, if you didn't already have it, you weren't going to find it. That was a measly 47 months ago. Now, my memory is about as bad as anyone's in existence, and yet even I can recall that everything from .22 - .308 was out of stock, everywhere. For some reason, there is a collective amnesia and we are seeing it all over again and many of our dear cohorts here keep trying to eloquently articulate that "this time it's different" -and they should not have to pay more than they were paying three weeks ago.
Someone on this site posted about buying a fire extinguisher when the house was already in flames. Some of y'all are poster children for that behavior.
Right on!!! [Beer]
Bailey Guns
12-25-2012, 09:39
So, what should water, food, medications, fuel, etc. cost?
No shit. Some of you people act as though the person selling the item doesn't have the same concerns re: food, water, meds, fuel, etc. as anyone else.
Life should be fair, dammit!
"Price gouging" is definitely a made-up term.
boils down to the rule of "supply and demand" I guess
boils down to the rule of "supply and demand" I guess
Yeah, them durn old simple rules of basic economics. :)
omegalopez
12-25-2012, 10:47
boils down to the rule of "supply and demand" I guess
[Beer]
sometimes who you know as well [Beer]
From a legal perspective, price gouging, as a crime applies only to essential goods and services- i.e. food, fuel, clothing and shelter. It is normally paired with anti-hoardibg statutes.... oh wait. It is what it is. I started buying somethings judiciously after the presidential debate in which Obumer stated he would support the reinstatement of the AWB. I've been through any number of panics and bubbles- I don't need much to read the tea leaves.
brokenscout
12-25-2012, 13:22
The people who scream "price gouging" are the ones that were not prepared , this has been coming for awhile..These are all "wants", I agree with Jackal
From a legal perspective, price gouging, as a crime applies only to essential goods and services- i.e. food, fuel, clothing and shelter. It is normally paired with anti-hoardibg statutes.... oh wait. It is what it is. I started buying somethings judiciously after the presidential debate in which Obumer stated he would support the reinstatement of the AWB. I've been through any number of panics and bubbles- I don't need much to read the tea leaves.
Great-Kazoo
12-25-2012, 13:30
70 responses and still some feel butt hurt over current MARKET VALUE. FUCK MAN buy an airsoft and quit whining. Once again. You were either prepared before O was elected in 08 or you were not.
OR you are trying to cornor a market , not wanting to pay advertised price, because you want to pocket a few dollars too.
lpgasman
12-25-2012, 16:29
Im not butt hurt, i could really give a shit. But are we relly here?
http://cologunmarket.com/firearms/private-party-firearms/wts-chinese-sks_i640
brokenscout
12-25-2012, 16:35
If someone buys it we are, that's crazy though.Really
Im not butt hurt, i could really give a shit. But are we relly here?
http://cologunmarket.com/firearms/private-party-firearms/wts-chinese-sks_i640
Bailey Guns
12-25-2012, 16:36
Im not butt hurt, i could really give a shit. But are we relly here?
http://cologunmarket.com/firearms/private-party-firearms/wts-chinese-sks_i640
From the ad:
It has some issues with the trigger group and only fires half the time. A little gunsmith TLC and this beaut will be plinking like a champ.
Hell...if it worked right, probably a $6000 SKS.
lpgasman
12-25-2012, 16:41
If someone buys it we are, that's crazy though.Really
I spelled it right the first time. Really.[ROFL2]
Lets see a 5000.00 sks? Or a 2500.00 ar? Huuuummm i dont know! Im thinking the ar, decisions!
brokenscout
12-25-2012, 16:43
I pray its a joke,lol... I hate $400 SKS's..[ROFL1]
I spelled it right the first time. Really.[ROFL2]
Lets see a 5000.00 sks? Or a 2500.00 ar? Huuuummm i dont know! Im thinking the ar, decisions!
lpgasman
12-25-2012, 16:48
I pray its a joke,lol... I hate $400 SKS's..[ROFL1]
Ya i know. How do you feel about 5000.00 ones? (that may or may not work) Wait dont answer that.
brokenscout
12-25-2012, 16:52
When they went over $100(working) I was done with them... lol...
Ya i know. How do you feel about 5000.00 ones? (that may or may not work) Wait dont answer that.
brokenscout
12-25-2012, 16:53
I wonder if those $3,000 ARs shoot better?
Is this debate still going on? hahaha
Gouge haters= SURE
Gouging is a part of free market = SURE
Gouging is good= SURE
Gouging is bad for econmy= SURE
tmleadr03
12-25-2012, 18:53
Is this debate still going on? hahaha
Gouge haters= SURE
Gouging is a part of free market = SURE
Gouging is good= SURE
Gouging is bad for econmy= SURE
And gouging is made up= SURE!
I feel like gun will sell at a fair market value. Most buyer should have a good idea of cost before buying.
Circuits
01-06-2013, 23:55
I wonder if those $3,000 ARs shoot better?
It shoots a whole lot better than the $750 AR someone didn't buy last year, but no better then the $750 AR someone else did buy when prices were low.
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