NRA Press Confrence Discussion

[asmo]

Watching it now..

Pushing for arming teachers and getting rid of gun free zones.

[RCCrawler]

Where is it on?

[RCCrawler]

Found it MSNBC

[asmo]

Douche bag just put up a big sign saying NRA killing our children. Guy is screaming why they are trying to escort him out. Whole press core turned to watch the idiot protestor vs. getting on with the conference.

[asmo]

Now blaming violent video games.. FUCKING MORON!!

Quit fucking blaming inanimate objects.

[Great-Kazoo]

SO FAR SO GOOD. Putting responsibility on movies, video games etc. Still waiting for the other show to drop.
@#$% i'm like Sniper7;)

[Great-Kazoo]

Now blaming violent video games.. FUCKING MORON!!

Quit fucking blaming inanimate objects.


Why not guns are inanimate objects that isn't stopping the gun grabbers. nothing personal.

[asmo]

Another protestor with big giant sign.. Saying how the NRA is killing the kids and that we need to ban all 'assault weapons'. Screaming. Very little to escort her out. Media taunts Wayne about it.

How the frick do these people get in. Its a tiny conference room.

[RCCrawler]

Now blaming violent video games.. FUCKING .


Sorry, but I can honestly see how someone who isn't mentally right could get caught up in the video game thing. Run around shooting hundreds of people and it's no big deal, because you can just hit reset.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not against video games, in fact I play some myself, but I can see how the connection could be there.

[asmo]

Why not guns are inanimate objects that isn't stopping the gun grabbers. nothing personal.

Its the same argument the NRA (and all of us use). Don't blame guns they are just a tool. Don't blame a computer game is just a piece of software.

How about people start taking some personal-fricking responsibility.

[SouthPaw]

Did anyone see what the sign said that crazy lady was holding?

[RCCrawler]

Did anyone see what the sign said that crazy lady was holding?

Something about there being blood on the hands of the NRA

[Great-Kazoo]

Its the same argument the NRA (and all of us use). Don't blame guns they are just a tool. Don't blame a computer game is just a piece of software.

How about people start taking some personal-fricking responsibility.

Absolutely no argument with it. just the NRA flipping it on to another inanimate object. make some of the fence sitters hopefully think.
he's saying guns are good with cops but not citizens? Again calling for armed security in schools YES. Saying what if newton had armed security

[SouthPaw]

Something about there being blood on the hands of the NRA

That's what I thought. It is getting good now.

[asmo]

Wayne now saying that the NRA, after Virginia Tech, strongly suggested that we should put armed security at schools and the media said Wayne was crazy.

He's been attacking the press for a bit - not making friends.

This is the most pissed-off and worn down I have ever heard him talk.

[Great-Kazoo]

Talking about school security grants etc. CHANNELING S7 next thing ya know i'm taking flying lessons

Keep on the same track and i'll be happy. veer off to reasonable concessions and :(

Not to say when the chips are down deals will not be made.

ARMED SECURITY NOW!

[asmo]

I take back my armed teacher comment - he's pushing for armed police in every school.

[Great-Kazoo]

I take back my armed teacher comment - he's pushing for armed police in every school.

NRA IS READY TO IMPLEMENT THEIR PROPOSALS AND TRAINING FOR SCHOOL SECURITY ALONG WITH BUDGET!

NATIONAL SCHOOL SHIELD, YES! ON THE NRA's Dime.

Sorry about the CAP being on

[Rooskibar03]

I don't think he was blaming the video games so much as he was pointing out the moral decay of our society. He's right about how our society isn't as wholesome as it once was. He made the point about a child seeing 16k deaths and 200k acts of violence by the time they are 18.

Take the one kid, the right set of circumstances, and you have the next scumbag who shoots up a school.

[RCCrawler]

I love the line "Why is a gun good when it's protecting the President"

[DireWolf]

I love the line "Why is a gun good when it's protecting the President"

Yeah, that part was great...along with the part where he said flat out that the media has no idea what the hell they're talking about...

[SouthPaw]

He is making some very good points. This is going very well I think.

[RCCrawler]

Why'd it get cut off when it came time to discuss the program?

[asmo]

Would have been better if would have been called FIST rather than SHIELD..

[asmo]

Still a federal crime to take guns into schools so I am curious how this is going to work.

[RCCrawler]

Still a federal crime to take guns into schools so I am curious how this is going to work.

Not for police officers.

[DireWolf]

Why'd it get cut off when it came time to discuss the program?


They're talking about it now....watching it online at http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/12/21/live-blog-nra-press-conference/

[sniper7]

SO FAR SO GOOD. Putting responsibility on movies, video games etc. Still waiting for the other show to drop.
@#$% i'm like Sniper7;)


you are trying to be a post whore!!!

[StagLefty]

I missed the beginning-were any mag/AR bans addressed ?

[TS12000]

I think my head is gonna explode if I hear "reasonable, rational, gun control that is in line with the second amendment but get guns only reasonable for battlefields off our streets" again

[Great-Kazoo]

I missed the beginning-were any mag/AR bans addressed ?

To date NO CONCESSIONS, NONE

[RCCrawler]

Here is the transcript for those that missed it.

http://home.nra.org/pdf/Transcript_PDF.pdf

[sniper7]

Still a federal crime to take guns into schools so I am curious how this is going to work.

Some states allow teachers to carry and I believe CCW to carry as well. probably depends on if they get Fed money for their budget or not

[sniper7]

To date NO CONCESSIONS, NONE


hopefully that is a line in the sand

[trlcavscout]

The nra sucks, WTF was that?

Oh my god msnbc contributors are ignorant!

[StagLefty]

Oh my god msnbc contributors are ignorant!

^ Yup-had to shut it off

[Skully]

I think the NRA was very tactful.

They didn't get into a pissing match with the media about the proposed ideas we all know about.

[NMB2]

I streamed it from their website.

They fucking nailed it. Just joined for 3yrs.

[newracer]

With that I will be rejoining. I was probably going to anyways but I wanted to see how they responded.

[mutt]

I was interrupted early while watching, so unfortunately I couldn't see the press conference live. I read the transcript and I see nothing that tells me the NRA has drawn a line in the sand and will actively oppose any new legistlation to take away our 2A rights. While I absolutely agree with the other contents, I read nothing that tells me the NRA will fight for the likes of me.

If anything I see an NRA that's not very strong right now. Wayne Lapierre was terrible. He spoke like someone who as been beaten down. They needed to put someone up there who could speak eloquently and pationately. Protestors being able to interrupt the conference makes them look inept. Their message seems to lack any fangs. I dunno. This did nothing to convince me the NRA wouldn't throw us 'gun nuts' under the bus so long as their fudd members could keep their bolt action hunting rifles and break open shotguns.

[wreave]

Just re-upped for three years. Stand strong, NRA.

[hollohas]

I think they nailed it. They kept the press conference on one subject, the school, and addressed it perfectly. I think it was smart they left the gun rights stuff out of this particular press conference, however I do expect them to address that issue ASAP.

[mutt]

I think they nailed it. They kept the press conference on one subject, the school, and addressed it perfectly. I think it was smart they left the gun rights stuff out of this particular press conference, however I do expect them to address that issue ASAP.

I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to write them a check to aid in the fight. But I have to be confident they are actually fighting for the rights of ALL gun owners.

[Sawin]

I have one concern to add to this discussion.

From an outsiders (non2A's) perspective, I have a feeling that a lot of the general sheeple will think that having armed security or teachers with guns at the school could be reflective of a "police state" where there are armed men on every corner. I understand the difference here, obviously, since we're talking about every-day citizens, but imagine for a moment if someone other than the 2A supporters said "We need armed security 24/7 and we have the men to do it"... Maybe the government for instance? What would our reaction be if BO said, "No problem NRA. Instead of you guys spending your money to make this happen, I'll cover it, and my properly trained men will protect our children, not some untrained civilians." How would that make you feel?

Imagine how the lefties feel considering the NRA's men are looked upon with disgust. Don't we get disgusted by BO and his men? For this reason, I don't see this being successful. As much as I agree with the premise that responsible gun owners save lives, I don't want the tides to turn and some Gov't douche to put their pawns in our schools instead of regular local cops and responsible teachers/principles, etc.

[mutt]

I have one concern to add to this discussion.

From an outsiders (non2A's) perspective, I have a feeling that a lot of the general sheeple will think that having armed security or teachers with guns at the school could be reflective of a "police state" where there are armed men on every corner. I understand the difference here, obviously, since we're talking about every-day citizens, but imagine for a moment if someone other than the 2A supporters said "We need armed security 24/7 and we have the men to do it"... Maybe the government for instance? What would our reaction be if BO said, "No problem NRA. Instead of you guys spending your money to make this happen, I'll cover it, and my properly trained men will protect our children, not some untrained civilians." How would that make you feel?

Imagine how the lefties feel considering the NRA's men are looked upon with disgust. Don't we get disgusted by BO and his men? For this reason, I don't see this being successful. As much as I agree with the premise that responsible gun owners save lives, I don't want the tides to turn and some Gov't douche to put their pawns in our schools instead of regular local cops and responsible teachers/principles, etc.

We rely on BO and his 'men' to protect us every day. Is he not the Commander and Chief of the entire US military? Do not all the armed federal agents in our government (FBI, DEA, BATF, etc) not ultimately report to him? I have no problem with civilian law enforcement watching over our schools. The reality is local or state law enforcement would be tasked with this. Even if federal agents were to provide security I would have no issue. The fact is when BO is out of office, these people will still be there doing their jobs and they would then report to the next president. They work for the office, not the man.

And we really do need to ask ourselves why we don't actively protect our schools. Even if we could get rid of the maniacs/mass murders in our own society, we know for a fact there is a whole world of people who hate us and wish us harm. Some were willing to fly airplanes into buildings to harm us. I'm frankly suprised they haven't burst into a school yet and massacred everyone in it. We most definetly need to protect our children. Police state arguments or not, this is not the same world most of us grew up in. Our schools are incredibly vulnerable as we've unfortunately witnessed.

[hollohas]

I have one concern to add to this discussion.

From an outsiders (non2A's) perspective, I have a feeling that a lot of the general sheeple will think that having armed security or teachers with guns at the school could be reflective of a "police state" where there are armed men on every corner.

^That was my original thought as well earlier this week, however, I think he address that perfectly when he described us protecting our banks with guns but not our kids. Do the sheeple feel like the back is a police state? There is no telling what they think of course, but IMO he addressed that concern very well.

Also, he specifically mentioned the idea was to keep it local...have the local schools, parents and LE discuss and develop a plan. Local control removes a lot of the scary "police state" images.

[BPTactical]

I thought they presented an extremely feasible and workable initiative.The WH would be fools not to agree with it, which IMHO is exactly what they will NOT do. Why? It makes too much sense. But if they do not look at the NRA's idea then the WH loses credibility as far as wanting a tangible solution to the issue at hand, keeping schools safe.If the WH does not go along with the NRA plan and instead just focuses on firearms it will backfire on them and possibly turn a bit of the tide against them.
I applaud Wayne for: 1- lambasting the press for the bias 2- presenting a well thought out plan 3- outing the WH for slashing school safety programs.

I don't think he gained any points with the video game tangent though...

[Sawin]

We rely on BO and his 'men' to protect us every day. Is he not the Commander and Chief of the entire US military? Do not all the armed federal agents in our government (FBI, DEA, BATF, etc) not ultimately report to him? I have no problem with civilian law enforcement watching over our schools. The reality is local or state law enforcement would be tasked with this. Even if federal agents were to provide security I would have no issue. The fact is when BO is out of office, these people will still be there doing their jobs and they would then report to the next president. They work for the office, not the man.

And we really do need to ask ourselves why we don't actively protect our schools. Even if we could get rid of the maniacs/mass murders in our own society, we know for a fact there is a whole world of people who hate us and wish us harm. Some were willing to fly airplanes into buildings to harm us. I'm frankly suprised they haven't burst into a school yet and massacred everyone in it. We most definetly need to protect our children. Police state arguments or not, this is not the same world most of us grew up in. Our schools are incredibly vulnerable as we've unfortunately witnessed.

I appreciate this response, thank you, but the examples of FBI, DEA, BATF, etc was not exactly my analogy. My point was that the NRA was suggesting a new team be developed for this purpose. The analogy was meant to induce responses and thoughts based on the off-chance that our idea to develop a new team was superseded, and instead of it being civilian/local folks stepping up to protect their own, that instead BO wanted to create his own new team of federal government employees to fulfill this role. What's the difference in that (the government agents) and a police state? Are you not opposed to the idea of a police state run by the government?

[whichfinger]

I read NBC's assassination piece on the press conference. The derp in the comments section was weapons grade. It quickly became obvious that most of the posters hadn't watched the PC or read the transcript, they were just itching for another chance to attack the NRA and LaPierre. I haven't read this whole thread, but what I have read indicates some on here haven't bothered to digest the whole thing, either. What the NRA is proposing won't cost the taxpayers a nickel. (Granted, ne did call on Congress to cough up some funds, but I doubt anyone believes that will actually happen.) The school security guards would be trained volunteers retired cops, military, etc., or local police officers, and each district is free to opt out of any part of the security program. The whole thing is voluntary and up to the schools and the parents with kids there.

I think that's a clever offer on many levels.

[SuperiorDG]

I liked the question: Why is a gun good when it protects the President and bad when it protects our families? Kind of Socratic.

[asmo]

The President's response is up and online at Whitehouse.gov. Same rhetoric over and over. He does specifically call out assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

On a phone so I can't post the link.

[asmo]

All the MSM is concentrating on the protesters. Keep showing their signs over and over.

[Great-Kazoo]

I was interrupted early while watching, so unfortunately I couldn't see the press conference live. I read the transcript and I see nothing that tells me the NRA has drawn a line in the sand and will actively oppose any new legistlation to take away our 2A rights. While I absolutely agree with the other contents, I read nothing that tells me the NRA will fight for the likes of me.

If anything I see an NRA that's not very strong right now. Wayne Lapierre was terrible. He spoke like someone who as been beaten down. They needed to put someone up there who could speak eloquently and pationately. Protestors being able to interrupt the conference makes them look inept. Their message seems to lack any fangs. I dunno. This did nothing to convince me the NRA wouldn't throw us 'gun nuts' under the bus so long as their fudd members could keep their bolt action hunting rifles and break open shotguns.

For your information that's called being Humble. regarding a line in the sand??? maybe, maybe not. Will the NRA stand fast against any proposed laws? Doubt it. However his talk hopefully put something in to peoples minds to think & talk about. The NRA is footing the bill for training & education. Obama and the anti's said it was time for meaningful action. Well the NRA just issued talking points and Ideas lets see how willing they are to actually Talk about what can be done vs what should be.

[mutt]

For your information that's called being Humble.
I'm not talking about his message. I agree with the message. I'm talking about his technique, his mannerisms, he ability to hold an audience. I wasn't expecting them to be spewing fire and rhetoric. But his speaking technique was not very eloquent. The NRA needed a skilled orator to get people outside of the 2A community to listen. I think they failed in this regard.


Will teh NRA stand fast against any proposed laws? Doubt it.
Then honestly what is the point of any of this? If the NRA won't openly stand for us, an organization who is supposed to be our voice in government, then who will?

[jgang]

I think WAYNE should have left THE PRESS with some questions to ponder and respond to on the evening news:

1. Is it possible that an armed guard, properly trained and equiped, positioned at this elementary school, could have averted this tragedy?
2. If the terrorist had driven an SUV through a crowd of 100 children waiting to board busses, would you be vilifying the SUV?
3. Schools are "gun-free zones." Why do you think the terrorist ignored this edict?
4. Where in the Constitution of the United States is the word "hunting" mentioned? (Aimed squarely at Bloomdick)
5. Do you think that passing any laws limiting the ability of law-abiding citizens will keep terrorists from creating terror?

Etc., etc., etc....

[mutt]

What's the difference in that (the government agents) and a police state? Are you not opposed to the idea of a police state run by the government?

I understand your point. I agree we don't need yet another DHS-type monstrocity created to police our schools. And as for having a police state run by the government, I think we fell off the wrong side of that cliff long ago. Federal oversight is not the answer but I do think local municipalities need to seriously beef up the protection we afford our children.

[Sawin]

I understand your point. I agree we don't need yet another DHS-type monstrocity created to police our schools. And as for having a police state run by the government, I think we fell off the wrong side of that cliff long ago. Federal oversight is not the answer but I do think local municipalities need to seriously beef up the protection we afford our children.

I fully agree.

[cstone]

I did not watch the press conference, so I appreciate the commentary here.

I do not support more government spending or more government agencies. I am not concerned with having guns on every corner. I am more concerned with who has those guns. If those guns are in the hands of average citizens who have made the choice to be responsible for the safety of themselves and others, then I support those guns. If those guns are paid for by taxpayers and dispensed and regulated by people who are paid by taxpayers, and those gun carriers are defended from legal responsibility through sovereign immunity, then I do not support those guns.

We the People are quite capable of doing the right thing. I, for one, do not want more of our money spent on bureaucracy. Government agencies rarely live up to the high hopes and expectations of the legislators who empower them.

This is where I am drawing my line in the sand.

Be safe.

[sellersm]

I did not watch the press conference, so I appreciate the commentary here.

I do not support more government spending or more government agencies. I am not concerned with having guns on every corner. I am more concerned with who has those guns. If those guns are in the hands of average citizens who have made the choice to be responsible for the safety of themselves and others, then I support those guns. If those guns are paid for by taxpayers and dispensed and regulated by people who are paid by taxpayers, and those gun carriers are defended from legal responsibility through sovereign immunity, then I do not support those guns.

We the People are quite capable of doing the right thing. I, for one, do not want more of our money spent on bureaucracy. Government agencies rarely live up to the high hopes and expectations of the legislators who empower them.

This is where I am drawing my line in the sand.

Be safe.

^This. I'm not pleased with their proposal, it's basically more gubment involvement. What happened to "WE THE PEOPLE..."? Why aren't they proposing that the gun free zones be eliminated by THE PEOPLE? I'll leave it at this, but for the record, this won't go well for us...

[sako55]

The NRA offered a solution, that if used, will provide immediate results. NO ONE in the media or the government has offered anything other than to add more laws to a book that is way too thick and further infringe on our rights. We already pay police officers to protect us. Instead of writing freaking tickets all day, they can be positioned in schools. I live in SW Littleton where the sherrif pays for an office in the shopping center. Why not move that office to one of the schools here and save money and keep our kids safer?

I thought it was a great resopnse rather than argue with an ignorant press about gun control.

[Sawin]

I did not watch the press conference, so I appreciate the commentary here.

I do not support more government spending or more government agencies. I am not concerned with having guns on every corner. I am more concerned with who has those guns. If those guns are in the hands of average citizens who have made the choice to be responsible for the safety of themselves and others, then I support those guns. If those guns are paid for by taxpayers and dispensed and regulated by people who are paid by taxpayers, and those gun carriers are defended from legal responsibility through sovereign immunity, then I do not support those guns.

We the People are quite capable of doing the right thing. I, for one, do not want more of our money spent on bureaucracy. Government agencies rarely live up to the high hopes and expectations of the legislators who empower them.

Be safe.

Beautifully stated and my thoughts exactly cstone. Thank you for summarizing them so succinctly. [Beer]

[jgang]

We the People are quite capable of doing the right thing.

Apparently not...that's why the sheep are going after inanimate objects, because "we" can't be trusted (even though those of us "in the know" vehemently beg to differ...I'm in complete agreement with you).

My guns killed no one today, or yesterday, or the day before that, or the month before that or the year before that or the DECADES before that. The sheep want you to think that because you could, you will. Somewhere there's a tale of a gentlemen being interviewed by female reporter on "gun control." She grills him on guns saying that, because people have guns, they're more apt to comit crimes. He retorted by stating that, because the reporter had a vagina, that she was logically predisposed to engaging in prostitution. I guess that was the end of the interview....

[Sawin]

....Somewhere there's a tale of a general officer having a conversation with a female reporter. She grills him on guns saying that, because people have guns, they're more apt to comit crimes. He retorted by asking if she had a vagina, which, logically made her predisposed to committing prostitution. I guess that was the end of the interview....

hahaha now that's a funny comparison. Good one.

[hollohas]

I understand everyone's apprehension to a police state, more government involvement and more government spending (I share that apprehension) , however I think the NRA did a fairly good job of explaining that all those things are not their intent.

IMO, they tried to make it clear that the plan isn't, nor should be, an excuse for government spending as well as make it clear that the responsibly for security needs to be on the local level...NOT the Federal level. Quoting now...


The second point I want to make is that this will be a program that
doesn't depend on massive funding from local authorities or the
federal government. Instead, it'll make use of local volunteers serving
in their own communities.

The NRA will develop model security plan that:



will allow every school to choose among its various components to
develop a school safety strategy that fits their own unique situation,
whether it's a large urban school, a small rural school or anything
in between.
Armed, trained, qualified school security personnel will be one element
of that plan, but by no means the only element. If a school decides for
whatever reason that it doesn't want or need armed security
personnel, that of course is a decision to be made by parents at the
local level.


And furthermore, regarding how the schools will afford the model security program:



...a model National School Shield Emergency
Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security
to building design and access control to information technology to
student and teacher training...
...our team of security experts will make this
the best program in the world for protecting our children at school,
and we will make that program available to every school in America
free of charge.


And RE: Sellersm's comment about why didn't they address "gun free zones"...they did in this quote:


How do we protect our children right
now, starting today, in a way that we know works?
The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth.
Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press
releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. 2
And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools
are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.

[SuperiorDG]

AP story on the speech: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121221/DA3ACICO0.html

Quote from above story: "A CNN/ORC poll taken this week found 52 percent of Americans favor major restrictions on guns or making all guns illegal. Forty-six percent of people questioned said government and society can take action to prevent future gun violence, up 13 percentage points from two years ago in the wake of the shooting in Tucson, Ariz., that killed six and wounded then Rep. Gabrielle Giffords."

Poll Results:
http://cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/poll-gun-restrictions.jpg?w=446&h=253

This is a CNN poll, but is this really how America feels?

[sellersm]

I'm sure that it's how 'amerika' feels.

[hollohas]

^Agreed. It's the knee jerk reaction...A crazy hurts ours kids and we'll fundamentally change this country forever. The people in this country don't think the same way they used to.

However I don't remember calls for bans on Ryder trucks and fertilizer...

[Zundfolge]

However I don't remember calls for bans on Ryder trucks and fertilizer...
Actually there are federal controls on fertilizer that didn't used to be there.

Have a city address and buy a truck load of fertilizer and see how fast the ATF is at your door to ask you some questions.

[ChunkyMonkey]

AP story on the speech: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121221/DA3ACICO0.html

Quote from above story: "A CNN/ORC poll taken this week found 52 percent of Americans favor major restrictions on guns or making all guns illegal. Forty-six percent of people questioned said government and society can take action to prevent future gun violence, up 13 percentage points from two years ago in the wake of the shooting in Tucson, Ariz., that killed six and wounded then Rep. Gabrielle Giffords."

Poll Results:
http://cnnpoliticalticker.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/poll-gun-restrictions.jpg?w=446&h=253

This is a CNN poll, but is this really how America feels?

Out of all the 'independent' polls out there, I trust Rasmussen the most and they have similar result.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/december_2012/55_favor_assault_weapons_ban_but_62_oppose_complet e_gun_ban

[hollohas]

Have a city address and buy a truck load of fertilizer and see how fast the ATF is at your door to ask you some questions.

Ah, OK then. I'm not a farmer or terrorist so I didn't know that.

[Bailey Guns]

I didn't see the press conference but I did read the transcript. I think LaPierre's remarks were spot on...he offered a concrete way to implement a real, workable and effective school security plan. Which is exactly why the liberal press and politicians won't go for it. The typical knee-jerk response will be, "Great. How predictable. The NRA wants MORE guns on the street to put our kids in even MORE danger." We'll just here more irrational and sensational rhetoric from the left.

I'm telling you guys. The typical anti-gun liberal WANTS another Newtown-type shooting. They crave these sorts of tragedies because blood, especially childrens blood, helps them more than anything else to sell their agenda. Think about it. The gun-ban agenda has gained more traction in the last 7 days than it has in my lifetime...and I was born in 1960. Polls are already showing the highest level of support for more gun laws than they have in years. “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste”. Make no mistake...they will pull out all of the stops to enact their agenda right now because a "perfect storm" has been created to assist in the gun-ban schemes these people are cooking up. We've had a couple of high-profile mass shootings and we have one of the most anti-gun presidents in history just re-elected. It's even a worse scenario for us in Colorado on a state level with the liberals fully in charge.

You think it's crazy now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[AR_ART]

I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed with LaPierre's and the NRA's planned statement. They are silent a week and this is the best they could come up with? Sorry, IMO, its gonna make LaPierre and the rest of the NRA look like nut-jobs. IMO, not the direction I was hoping for or to hear...