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Well he won most of the states somehow... Romney says he'll stay in the race.
I dont respect either, but mccain is in my eyes no different than hillary or obama. Does mccain the only one left with an ounce of conservative juice in his body even stand a chance at this point?
When the end day is hillary/obama or mccain, what choices are left?
I guess I'll vote independant nothing much we can do at this point...
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2008, 05:56
like or dislike mccain. the stragety rush, hannity and the rest or the "conservative" media has
saying they'd vote for hillary is a shitty one. their attitude/stratagey does nothing for me and turns me as well as other gop voters i know, off. who gives a shit what they think. when romney announced his intent the "christian conservative" all but dismissed his religion as not worthy of their vote. NOW he's a more conservative canidate and their choice???WTF??
there is no one running i'd vote for, yet more than likely i'll still pull the rep nominee in nov
maybe i'll join penn and his ilk ,overseas. :( NOT
The truely sad part about this whole thing is, it will boil down to one of two things, Do you want to take the direct path to socialism, (Billery, Obama) Or do You want to take the sceanic route, (Most of the republicans) I have voted R since I turned 18, Right now there isn't one of them that I could support 100%. I will end up voteing the R again, no matter what it's better than the alternative.
I did not mention the third path,(RP) Because He would stick His head in the sand so far, that the country would have no chance of moving forward.
I like none of 'em
but I notice that JM won CA... that tells you how fugged up he is.
thedave1164
02-06-2008, 07:21
The Presidential election is set, we will not change the out come, no matter what we lose.
The place where we can still make a difference is in the US Senate, US House and local elections.
I would strongly suggest that everyone at the site here, learn what they can about Bob Shafer, and support him for US Senate. I will be supporting him and Musgrave again.
Maybe work to become a city councilman, mayor, state legislator. There are few running that we can depend on to represent us in a proper fashion, and not sell us out. We will have to make it happen ourselves.
We have not lost the war yet, but we have been set back, and battered.
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2008, 08:34
+1 for bob schaffer
Zundfolge
02-06-2008, 12:44
I won't vote for the Democrat, but if McCain is the GOP nominee and his running mate isn't any better than him, then I'm just going to either vote 3rd party, or write in Thompson (now if McCain was smart he'd choose Thompson as his VP ... then I'd vote for him because McCain is old ... maybe we'll get lucky and he'll drop dead early in his term and we'll get a President Thompson).
If enough of us wrote in Thompson, maybe (just maybe) the GOP would take the hint.
Otherwise I'm also seriously considering leaving the GOP if McCain is the nominee because its clear the GOP is no longer a party of conservatives.
Of course that also means we've been pushed way over Claire Wolfe's line. (and no, I don't have the balls to start shooting the bastards either :( )
Zundfolge
02-06-2008, 15:07
foxtrot, for years I've echoed that same sentiment ... I said the same thing about conservatives that didn't trust GW (and I believe I've been vindicated there as well).
HOWEVER, I don't believe McCain IS "better" than Hillary or Obama ... his policy choices will be almost identical to either of them (with the possible exception of the war in Iraq). He'll only pick supreme court justices that will preserve his precious McCain-Feingold 1st Amendment Abrogation Law NOT strict constructionalists (in fact I bet they'll be the exact same people that Hillary or Obama would pick). He'll sign pretty much any gun control legislation the dems give him and he'll keep our borders wide open while continuing to squeeze the law abiding American people with more and more regulation.
At least with Hillary or Obama in the whitehouse, Republicans on the hill will be energized and fight against them when they would give McCain a free pass just because he has an (R) after his name (much like they've given Bush a free pass when he did things most republicans don't support).
So in this case, voting 3rd party or writing in someone like Thompson won't be a complete waste because hopefully it will send a message to McCain and the rest of the GOP that we don't want to see the party go any further left.
pickenup
02-06-2008, 15:23
Given our current choices for POTUS, either side.
This country is SCREWED.
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2008, 18:47
you can't energize the republican's in office because there will not be any IF you don't vote in nov!
thedave is on the money. VOTE, hold your nose but, VOTE
SigsRule
02-06-2008, 20:18
+1
Here's another big difference. McCain might sign a anti-gun bill that Congress puts on his desk. It's a long road to get an anti-gun bill through both houses. Hillbilly (I like that better than Billary) on the other hand would issue executive orders to the IRS, ATF, AG, etc. that would demolish the 2nd amendment - and once that's gone, how long before there's no Bill of Rights left?
The fact is we have been wasting our votes for a long time. This is why the country is in the situation that its in.
I heard the same crap at the caucus last night. Everyone thinks that having a "R" behind the presidents name is going to save us a few years. Sure worked with King George. The fact is they are all the same.
Its really pathetic that the norm is voting for the less of two evils.[Bang]
Maybe if more people start voting for real, this country can be a great one once again.
mcpain went out of his way to stick his anti gun nose into our business back when all the CCW stuff was going on a few years ago.
I remember, I will never vote for him.
Last night the couple in front of me got up and spoke to all of us sitting there.
They said," We support Mitt Romney because he is the most conservative out of all the "electable" canidates."
The message I will send is that I won't follow the mainstream media's pick of who is electable.
Unfortunetly the message that this couple will send is "we will eat the smallest amount of shit that you serve us"
Your right you won't change my mind.
No hard feelings, just my opinion.[Beer]
Can't change your minds, but why don't you people look at where the realistic candidates stand on the issues? Stop bitching people and vote for a realistic option. If you don't want to vote mccain, you better have a good reason for voting for osama or hillbillery. Voting 3rd party is no different than not voting at all. What message are you going to send? GOP "nominates" people based on caucuses and primaries... your sending a message to the majority of individual voters by not agreeing with them.... What? Talk about flawed logic. You can "send" a message by participating in the primaries, nothing else.
If you all don't vote because of your "superior" morals, and obama/hillbillery get elected......
Thanks. Thanks a ton. Im glad you love the radical left (who have made statements including they want to ban ALL semiautomatics, they both voted FOR lawsuits against gun mfg;s, etc.)
And FYI, were not talking about primaries here as Colorados are already over.
Well to be honest i think the type of attitude "vote for R because the others have no chance" is what is ruining our country. If we got rid of the GOP and replaced it with a Conservative party we'd be way better off....
A vote for the right candidate is a vote for the right candidate not a vote for anyone else. To be honest if it helps get rid of the GOP it's the right thing to do.
robsterclaw
02-07-2008, 02:23
Well to be honest i think the type of attitude "vote for R because the others have no chance" is what is ruining our country. If we got rid of the GOP and replaced it with a Conservative party we'd be way better off....
A vote for the right candidate is a vote for the right candidate not a vote for anyone else. To be honest if it helps get rid of the GOP it's the right thing to do.
That's totally unrealistic. Perot got a large amount of "third party" votes. It accomplished nothing. I'd say I'm more libertarian then anything and it's unrealistic to even think anything other then dems or reps have a chance. It would take an extremely rich person or group to fund a third party to the point it would be taken seriously. And even then it would take decades to accomplish.
Well decades is better than two democratic parties.
this may come off as a bit extreme, but here goes...
its time people took a stand, and voted for the right person in their eyes. that is how it is supposed to be.
if we get some sh!t bag in there, so be it. it's not like this countries government isn't 100 years over due for a top to bottom overhaul.
see my sigline. it's time. this country is NOT what it's supposed to be and 100 years past the point where something would have been handled the "old fashioned way".
communism/liberalism/socialsim DOESNT work for the common man, only those in charge. Ask anyone who's lived it. The libs are in for a rude awakening, the crap they're led to belive and spew out of their mouths is pure bs.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, this may be the fuel needed to motivate people to take a stand....oh wait, what was I thinking.. everyone is too lazy and likes freebies.. nevermind
I'm right there with ya bud, I just hope there are enough of us left.
<MADDOG>
02-07-2008, 19:53
The sad things is: it is a sad day when there isn't a decent candiate among EITHER of the two parties. Alot of lefties I know were rooting for Edwards...
Here nor there, Romney is out, and unless Huckabee pulls a miracle out of his preaching arse, we will have a Democrat in the office, even if McCain does get elected.
I think someone else said my piece: "we are all screwed".
Well, kind of thinking out loud here, If, Obama or the wicked witch of all points of the compass get elected, We'll think of the Carter era as "The good old days" Double digit inflation, intrest rates, gas lines. anybody remember that? Things were so bad, that My Dad, a lifelong democrat, and in some retrospect, a borderline socialist, was complaining about Him
Heck, Dad found out That I voted for Reagan, He didn't talk to Me for five months. [ROFL1]
I can respect the opinons about McCain, I'm not really to enthushed about Him Myself, But, before You throw You're vote away on a third party or even clinton/obama Think about it. In the mean time,like Dave said concentrate on the Senate and House races, Make sure the commie from boulder doesn't get in, and, in two Years make sure that Salazar is out. That, unfortunatly is going to be the best We can do, for the time being.
I'll never vote for a dem.
just vote your conscience, if more people did just this instead of "party lines" we might still have a country.. but then again, people are easily dupped!
A moderate is just the slower way to the death of our country.
Voting for "electebals" is just BS, it just helps the two dominating parties continue to rule. Just vote for the candidate you like and it's all good. If someone else wins what can ya do?
For me a the choice between a communist and a socialist is no choice at all.
robsterclaw
02-09-2008, 04:07
Well decades is better than two democratic parties.
No it's not. Because while you are voting for some libertarian with views you agree with, the dems win. And when they win they chip away at the gun laws. Start their socialistic health care programs.
Nader did a great job of helping get Bush elected, because he took away many dems votes. If it weren't for Nader Bush likely would have lost. Just like Perot took away a lot of votes for Daddy Bush. There is a reason why smart conservatives like Mike Rosen say party trumps all. Because if you don't support the party that is closest to your views the other sides views become the law.
By the way, my opinion is Obama beats McCain, but McCain beats the Clintons. Sucks that people like Tancredo have no real shot, and we get boobs as our candidates.
I personally will never support a party that does not support my views. And looking at mccains track record goes to show that he is no different than the other two demmocrats..
I'd much rather have a fast decline and a fast recovery than a slow one any day.
robsterclaw
02-10-2008, 03:21
Look at the issues. He is different then the other 2 liberals. It's your vote. Vote how you want. Just realize that votes for someone other then McCain are wasted and only help get Clinton or Obama elected. And for sure both of them will push for an "assault" weapon ban. Where as McCain states he won't.
McCain is against Kyoto, an assault weapons ban, minimum wage increase, and universal healthcare. Clinton and Obama support all 4. There's a big difference if you just educate yourself.
http://www.2decide.com/table.htm
Ron Paul and Huckabee are closest to what I'd like to see in a president, and unless Huckabee really starts to kick some ass, he's not going to get the nomination. And Paul has no chance.
centrarchidae
02-10-2008, 03:31
I won't vote for McCain. If that means that a pile of pure evil from Chicago becomes President, so be it. At least then, Congressional Republicans will actually act like Republicans instead of rolling over for all that was stupid and wrong in the last five years and all that's stupid and wrong about McCain just because he has an "R" after his name.
They gave us McCain-Feingold, No Child Left Behind, and Medicare Part D, just to make the RINO-in-Chief look good for his 2004 re-election campaign. I don't think that they'll do Hillary or Obama the same favors. So I'm all about the Gridlock in 2008 vote.
Anybody who sits election day out entirely, though...that's crap. Bob Schaffer needs the votes and will do right by gun owners, and we need to force that Perlmutter ass into early retirement. (Although, I live in the 2nd District and with Udall running for Senate do we even have candidates???)
like or dislike mccain. the stragety rush, hannity and the rest or the "conservative" media has
saying they'd vote for hillary is a shitty one. their attitude/stratagey does nothing for me and turns me as well as other gop voters i know, off.
I don't know about Hannity, but Rush never said he would vote for Hillary. The MSM has distorted his statements. That's a shocker.[Roll1]
Obama, Hillary, and McCain are all getting money from George Soros. That's messed up.
McCain may have been against Kyoto, but he was a sponsor of McCain-Leiberman which will be devestating to our economy in the name of environmentalism.
I'll probably still vote for McCain, even though he won't win. Then I'll probably change my voter registration from 'R' to 'I'. The party has left me. I had to actually look to see who was leading the RNC, and then didn't recognize the Chair or Co-chair. The national RNC leadership is asleep at the switch.
It also appears that we're reaching the tipping point, where more voters are getting something from the government than are paying in. Then we have mob rule. The only thing that I can see that will really make a change is another revolution. Keep your powder dry.
agreed.... nothing will change until americans change it.
A two party system is a bad system, and that is at the core of all our problems. Anyone who votes D or R is voting against America... (Properly spelled with a capitol A - 7idl)
Been a registered Independant for 2.5 years now :)
Also concerning mccain, he may say a few things that sound good in a conservatives eyes, but in all honesty how does his track record back that up? To my knowledge he is just BS'ing and lieng, he'll never do half the conservative things he touts.
robsterclaw
02-12-2008, 00:13
You'd know what his track record was if you looked it up and stopped parroting things you hear on the radio/TV. McCain to most people is just a "moderate" (thats "bad") and Hillary/Obama are "liberal". How about looking up what positions they take and what history they have before basing your opinon on what other people say?
And again, to the ones that think with a radical leftest will come a "renewal"... who exactly, is going to lead that? Who is going to participate? Your going to be hard pressed to find any volunteers - the only way you can use a gun collection, btw, is if your alive to use it. Your very imaginative if you think that is a possibility in the slightest. Where was the "renewal" for all the past liberal presidents (and firearm bans) we have had? Hate to tell you, but the prospects don't get better with time.
http://www.issues2000.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm
There you go!
It's been a 2 party system since around the civil war. The 2 party system sucks, but that's what we have to work with and it's sure better then most countries. Lament all you want on how it should be and how people should just vote for their best candidate and then sit back and watch the other side give away your tax money to welfare queens and take away the guns because that's the attitude that gives them the power. In a perfect world, you don't like the republican candidates then you vote for some else and they would listen and put up better candidates in 4 years. Won't happen. They will go the opposite direction and try to go more middle of the road (see more liberal) to try and sneak some votes away from independents who could go either repub or dem.
Oh and it's been 22 years since the full auto ban. How many times has it been attempted to overturn that, and how successful has that been. Reagan signed that piece of shit legislation to appease the gun grabbers. Were they appeased? Did they take their win and let it go?
Now, who would have thought McCain would be bought out by Soros?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56177 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177)
Sure he is NO different than any other dummycrat[ROFL2]
Well at least he's a Patriot.
From a speech made by Capt. John S. McCain, US, (Ret) who represents Arizona in the U.S. Senate: As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.
One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country-and our military-provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle.
Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.
One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.
Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag.
He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.
So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.
You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I'll vote for McCain any day over Hillary or Obama.
Who would you vote for:
Obama: Pot smokin hippy muslim pulling the race card...
Clinton: Gun grabbing, run down hooker that looks like a man, but pulls the v-a-g-i-n-a card...
McCain: American badass who spent years of his life fighting for the country we live in and then sat as a POW for several more years.
I'll vote for McCain any day over Hillary or Obama.
Who would you vote for:
Obama: Pot smokin hippy muslim pulling the race card...
Clinton: Gun grabbing, run down hooker that looks like a man, but pulls the v-a-g-i-n-a card...
McCain: American badass who spent years of his life fighting for the country we live in and then sat as a POW for several more years.
I'm with ya Sniper7, McCain all the way. I just hope we get a good VP in there.
I agree with Clinton/Obama statements but did Alzheimers make Mccain forget about his Americanism/Patriotism or what he fought for?
I guess we can hope for a "Hey look I’m not a tard!" out of his VP eh? LoL
Nope not voting for a scumbag, at least not if I know he's a scumbag. I don’t care how much good you've done in the past, if your crap now nothing can change that unless you stop being crap.
Some of the most interesting things about mccain concerning gun views. http://www.issues2000.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm
"I don't own one now." - Gotta love how he plays his Vietnam card before he says that, great tactic politically, but isn't that card getting warn our or perhaps a bit too greasy yet?
"McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials" - I guess poor people don’t deserve to defend themselves? Perhaps the gubberment will pay people the difference between costs for a cheap firearm and a spiffy one?
"McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details." - Oooo ebil guns!
"We need to focus on halting the spread of violent crime and punishing violent criminals who abuse their Second Amendment rights, while preserving those same rights for law-abiding Americans" - OOO great a law that will help put police, border patrol and FBI in jail if they make a mistake while on duty! Sounds smart!
Bottom line is this guy is as scummy as a politician can get, and no matter how much he plays his Vietnam card it won’t cover all that grease. Any one of those points above would be enough to get a no vote from me. We don’t need more scum like him nor do we need more scum from the republican party.
Stop settling for less, go for the best.
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2008, 08:40
so i gather the bottom line is
you're not voting for McCain. what do you plan to do regarding your local electors?
i'm sure there is some vague statement they made, that will have you not voting for them as well.
but you have to take the lesser of all the evils, just look at where these people are coming from (power wise).
I know what mccains background is and his previous voting. At least he is from AZ where they have some pretty good gun laws.
Obama is from Illinois....one of the worst gun law states. Do you want to have to own an ID card to go to wal-mart to buy ammo?
Hitlery is from NY...nuff said.
I know McCain has said some stupid **** about our gun laws, and unfortunately so has everyone one else. But we know for fact that hillary and obama and surely to go for our guns where McCain is much less likely and more easily pursuaded by the true repubs that will tell him that is a bad idea.
At best we could hope for a all out pro-gun VP that will advise McCain not to do anything rash about our guns.
In the end, the Heller case will have the potential to have a huge impact on the future of what we can and can't own, no matter who is in office.
Voting independant is a wasted vote. sure, you get to say right now that you are ****ed at all the scumbags running around kissing everyones *** looking for a vote. but in the end, do you remember what percentage the independants got last election, or the one before that? nope...you remember who won and who lost. if you are good you might remember who were the top 4 candidates during the primaries.
So I ask you to think in that sense about your vote. Either you go with a partial scumbag who has done the country some good, or you go with the either of the gun-grabbers in all their racial or feminist glory saying they are the "change", or you go for an independant who is there to put some ideas on the tables and accept the votes of those too ****ed off at the scumbags. In the end, all politicians suck, but we have limited choices.
Some of the local R guys in Arizona are ok, and they will get my vote, and some of them are complete scum in which case my vote will be going to I.
And i disagree with the lesser of two evils statement, because that’s why our country is going down the tubes.
We as a nation have accepted the lesser of two evils for a LONG time, too long and what has that given us? Has that been successful in bringing our nations back to its old glory? Or has it continued us down the path of self destruction?
In all honesty sure, voting I may not change things over night towards the way I want it, but I can no longer consciously approve the destruction of my country by voting for those who continue to do so. And a vote for someone is a vote for someone, not a vote against anyone else, that is the wrong mindset, it is flawed logic.
Voting along party lines does not help it only delays the inevitable, I'd rather have the inevitable now, so that I can deal with it as I see fit rather than be too old to deal with it when it comes around, and shove it off on my kids. At that point I would feel that I had failed as an free thinking American and human at that.
How would you feel as an old geezer sitting in a retirement home, watching news seeing Nazi's having taken over, and knowing that YOUR CHILDREN have to deal with the issue?
Liberals throw what you got at US! WE CAN DEAL WITH IT! JUST DO IT NOW, DONT LET IT KILL US SLOWLEY. LET THEM HAVE WHAT THEY WANT SO WE CAN FIGHT THEM! Nothing hurts more than truly loosing RIGHTS that you are used to.
+1 for what foxtrot said.
It is better to punish those who are criminals than to punish everyone.
I agree with punishing those that break the law, but in some instances if you are carrying a gun and break a law while doing so they could technically throw you in jail just for that and tack on an extra 10 years. Like they did with border patrol agents, but could you immagine if you were caught speeding and than thrown in jail for 10 years because you had your CCW on you?
Anyways I see where you guys are coming from I really do... I used to have your exact same viewpoint a few years ago. But really i havent seen stuff improve... when your liberal party is ultra liberal and your conservative party is very moderate you know stuff is going in the wrong direction... I guess I'm just very frustrated to say the least and I dont want to see them taking our rights away bit by bit and than us ending up with none and thinking thats normal... because it seems like americans dont mind as long as they only take away small things... Who determines whats small?
robsterclaw
03-23-2008, 23:54
Put your political view point in a real life situation. You have cancer(liberalism). You can take the treatment (vote for the lessor of 2 evils) and live a few years longer (keep some of your rights longer). Or you can not help yourself (vote "I") because you'll feel better until you die faster.
Very interesting analogy, and definatly some food for thought... i personally dont know whether i'd rather have a few more years and than end up dieng miserably, or die within a few months but do so with relativley no pain and very fast...
Sure extra years are great and let you tie up some loose ends... but is the sufferring worth it?
It's definatly all food for thought, and I personally am a pesimist when it comes to the current state of the USA, but I strongly believe that we as a people can change it. All we need is some motivation to get off our lazy lard asses :) So perhaps i'm a pessimistic optimist :p
I guess the real question is how long do we as a people have before our rights go away with plan A and whats the chance of us winning through plan B?
See cause i actually see a slim chance that we can pull out of this with a victory... and that slim chance is going with the fastest most radical decline, because it will wake americans up. Sure its a slim chance, but isnt that better than no chance?
MuzzleFlash
03-29-2008, 00:53
..... He'll only pick supreme court justices that will preserve his precious McCain-Feingold 1st Amendment Abrogation Law NOT strict constructionalists (in fact I bet they'll be the exact same people that Hillary or Obama would pick). He'll sign pretty much any gun control legislation the dems give him ....
I probably won't vote for McCain either. But I disagree with the statements above. McCain will want justices that will uphold his attack on the first amendment, but they won't be ACLU f-tards like Ruth Bader-Ginsberg.
McCain has not historically supported gun bans, but he has screwed us on gun show sales, un-safe storage and trigger locks. He will jump on any ill-conceived bandwagon to "keep guns out of the wrong hands". Well, if we kept the sociopaths and violent felons locked up forever, maybe we wouldn't need these stupid laws, huh John?
On the very small plus side, McCain voted against the AWB renewal and for ending junk lawsuits against gun manufacturers. That law contained a safe harbor provision for guns that are "safely stored" so if someone snatches your FA Uzi by peeling your garage safe while you're on vacation, you don't get sued out of house and home. It also contains the stupid trigger lock provision.
If he picks Romney as veep, I'm definitely not voting for that ticket. I stood up at my caucus and told all the mormons that showed up what Romney had done to gun owners as MA governor. Very few cared. In the end, there were 35 votes for Romney, 5 for McCain 2 for Huckabee, and 1 for Ron Paul. Guess which one I voted for.
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