Fire Fighters shot at (assult weapon)

[R&S]

9 news just announced that in New York fire fighters were shot at with an assult rifle, no other information no suspect in custody. How do they know it was an assult rifle and what is the current definition of an assult rifle?

I really only believe the weather report from 9 news the rest I don't really pay attention to except when they discuss firearms.

Gunbroker prices are really going to go up on ARs now.

[fitz19d]

Well at this rate maybe selling an AR can get me a down payment on a house. >.<

[buffalobo]

Those who write the copy at 9News are "Low life amoebas, who suck shit from dead dogs." The least factual and most biased "reporting" I have ever seen. Banned in our household.

[cysoto]

Well at this rate maybe selling an AR can get me a down payment on a house. >.<
AR prices are still going up. Wait another 6 months and you will be able to purchase the house.

[alan0269]

USA Today has a link that pops up while you're on their site that says two fire fighters were shot to death!!! Click on it and it takes you to the story stating that one is being treated for a wound to his "backside" and is in satisfactory condition, while the other was in good enough condition to drive his vehicle away from the scene. You'd think they'd be able to get things straight, but then again....

Edit:

Sounds like 2 dead and 2 wounded.

They've updated the story since I read it last, and you are correct - they are now saying two dead and two others injured. They've also change the title to the article.

[birddog]

USA Today has a link that pops up while you're on their site that says two fire fighters were shot to death!!! Click on it and it takes you to the story stating that one is being treated for a wound to his "backside" and is in satisfactory condition, while the other was in good enough condition to drive his vehicle away from the scene. You'd think they'd be able to get things straight, but then again....

Sounds like 2 dead and 2 wounded.

[alan0269]

Sounds like 2 dead and 2 wounded.

They've updated the story since I read it last, and you are correct - they are now saying two dead and two others injured. They've also changed the title to the article.

[birddog]

They've updated the story since I read it last, and you are correct - they are now saying two dead and two others injured. They've also changed the title to the article.
Merry Christmas huh? Prayers for their families sent.

[Guylee]

I thought assault rifles were illegal in NY? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN IF THEY'RE OUTLAWED?

[kwando]

9news did interview the off duty cop that stopped the gunman at the aurora church last night so I do give them some credit for that. But yea I listen to NPR for my news

[sniper7]

people are going nuts lately. what gives...

[fitz19d]

The tin foil in me wonders if there are not anti gun people crazy enough to pay someone or to even do something themselves with an EBR just to promote that agenda. (Nothing so big as OMG Barack arranged it, just that .01% of people that are crazy and OCD'd out on this topic.)

[rgburdie]

I thought assault rifles were illegal in NY? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN IF THEY'RE OUTLAWED?

Yep ..mm hmmm... my thoughts exactly!

[trlcavscout]

The tin foil in me wonders if there are not anti gun people crazy enough to pay someone or to even do something themselves with an EBR just to promote that agenda. (Nothing so big as OMG Barack arranged it, just that .01% of people that are crazy and OCD'd out on this topic.)


But you could see holder doing it right? Or his brother from another mother in NY (not Jim)? They have shown a history of deliberately selling guns to people who do harm to Americans. I am just saying who the hell knows WTF is going on anymore? People are F'ing nuts!!!

[Byte Stryke]

Guns are illegal in NY!
How could this happen!?!?
We need more laws!

/sarcasm

[DeusExMachina]

The AWB never expired in NY. Its going to fuel the fire that the AWB wasn't "enough". If it really was an "assault rifle" (media definition), it's probably going to be all illegally kitted out.

I have a friend who has a gun shop not far from where the shooting happened.

Edit: Apparently the antis are already attacking him. His shop is located next to a fire station that the shot firemen were based out of, supposedly. http://www.allstartactical.com

[cstone]

Some people do bad things.

DC needs to outlaw some people, bad things, or both.

Apparently this same community had a 15 year old kill his father and brother about the same time last year, when he set fire to the house. I'm done looking for causes for evil. I'm more into the "what am I going to do about it" mode.

Be safe.

[SuperiorDG]

So they killed the shooter. What if the rifle turns out to be a hunting rifle?

[Drucker]

So they killed the shooter. What if the rifle turns out to be a hunting rifle?

It will not matter, it will still be a GUNNNN!!!! Allowing the news media another inroad to support the ban of all firearms.... think of the firefighters!!
Unfortunately Firefighters have been shot at for a long time in certain gun free zones.

[SA Friday]

people are going nuts lately. what gives...

Everyone has some level of desire to make a difference in this world. For some, being famous for unspeakable evil is enough. The salivating media is more than willing to help...

[SuperiorDG]

Everyone has some level of desire to make a difference in this world. For some, being famous for unspeakable evil is enough. The salivating media is more than willing to help...

I would say you are right on track. Nut job commits arson a year after similar crime and then tops it off with a shooting of rescue personal.

[KestrelBike]

Foxnews showed the police chief or whoever doing a briefing, the guy was a career criminal who was convicted of *killing his grandmother* and then went to prison for about 20 years, then was on supervised parole, then pulled this s***.

Oh and the perp is dead.

[Fmedges]

Guns are illegal on New York. There is no way this happened because of that, right?

[car-15]

Guns are illegal on New York. There is no way this happened because of that, right?
nope didn't happen, I'm surprised at this because you never hear of any crime in NY since they outlawed guns there.....[Roll1]

[speedysst]

Yeah the guy beat his grandmother to death with a hammer so Im wondering why he was let out. Lets see, a felon in possession of a firearm, murders, attempted murders, arson. But, its the gun's fault right?

[KestrelBike]

Yeah the guy beat his grandmother to death with a hammer so Im wondering why he was let out. Lets see, a felon in possession of a firearm, murders, attempted murders, arson. But, its the gun's fault right?

And apparently it was just a manslaughter conviction.

But really, the state of NY is not just NYC, which is where all the utopian gun laws are. In fact, that YouTube guy FPSRussia is in upstate NY I believe.

[R&S]

I'm thinking if it were an assult rifle it would have been on every news outlet, 4 shots sounds like a hunting rifle to me

[spittoon]

I'm thinking if it were an assult rifle it would have been on every news outlet, 4 shots sounds like a hunting rifle to me
x2 but will we ever know the truth

[Atrain1]

This is probably a repost but I have not seen it so here it is, the comments really get me mad. http://gothamist.com/2012/12/25/upstate_man_who_killed_firefighters.php#photo-1

[alxone]

This is probably a repost but I have not seen it so here it is, the comments really get me mad. http://gothamist.com/2012/12/25/upstate_man_who_killed_firefighters.php#photo-1
well duh, if we only made guns illegal to felons , theft and murder also illegal then maybe this poor victim (the shooter ) would have know better .[facepalm]

[SideShow Bob]

Yes a REPOST on the topic, but a better story link.
Yet still no mention on what type of firearm used.
It must not have been a modern sporting rifle, or the media would have used those two words and been plastered in the headline in large font and used in every sentence of the article.

[Atrain1]

well duh, if we only made guns illegal to felons , theft and murder also illegal then maybe this poor victim (the shooter ) would have know better .[facepalm]I was actually surprised when I read way down at the bottom that being a felon he had no business owning a gun.


Yes a REPOST on the topic, but a better story link.
Yet still no mention on what type of firearm used.
It must not have been a modern sporting rifle, or the media would have used those two words and been plastered in the headline in large font and used in every sentence of the article.Yes the evil black guns or what ever color you want now days. I would imagine it was some kind of hunting rifle or hand gun as well.

[stoner01]

From what Ive gathered from friends (In Rochester and N Tonawanda) who I grew up with, there seems to be a lot of fudd guns around. It would seem reasonable to expect the 61(?) y/o shooter would be more familiar with a fudd than an AR. Maybe Im wrong, maybe not. But you would think that if it was an EBR then the MSM would be screaming about it. Or maybe because it was most likely a stolen firearm, and he was a felon anyways, theyre not going to get the viewership they hope for. I dont know.


Regardless, Prayers for the friends and families of the fallen. The volly fire depts we have back east are really close knit.

[SuperiorDG]

CNN Reporting: "William Spengler, 62, used a Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle, the same kind of weapon used in the assault on Sandy Hook Elementary School, Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-firefighter-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

[Sharpienads]

I heard on the radio this morning somebody (don't remember who) giving a press conference and he said the rifle was equipped with a flash suppressor. Holy shit, no wonder he was so deadly.

[SideShow Bob]

Heck, you can get a lever action and bolt action rifles with a flash suppressor on them from the factory nowadays, the media is even demonizing accessories now ?

[Kraven251]

Well they are going to ban flash suppressors ...guess I'll have to buy a compensator.

[muddywings]

I'm thinking if it were an assult rifle it would have been on every news outlet, 4 shots sounds like a hunting rifle to me

ahhh crap....

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-firefighter-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

[muddywings]

and if you are curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Assault weapons ban in New York politicsSee also: Gun laws in the United States (by state) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state))
The state of New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York)'s version of the law is very similar to the Federal version, but New York's version does not have a sunset provision. According to the laws of the State of New York, a magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds manufactured after September 14, 1994 cannot be legally possessed by anyone other than a law enforcement officer. A provision of the Federal law required that gun makers stamp the date of manufacture on every newly manufactured 'large capacity' magazine. Because that requirement is no longer in effect, the New York magazine ban becomes potentially unenforceable, except with respect to those magazines manufactured during the ban and marked according to federal regulations then in effect.
NYS Penal Law § 265.02(6) makes it a class D felony to possess "a large capacity ammunition feeding device," which is defined in Penal Law § 265.00(23) as "a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after [September 13, 1994], that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition." Possession of unmarked "large capacity" magazines made after the sunset of the federal ban thus subject New Yorkers to felony charges. Police and prosecutors may be able to determine actual manufacture dates of seized magazines from information not generally available to consumers, such as the dates of magazine design changes and parts assembly numbers. The New York ban thus leaves possessors of unmarked post-ban magazines at risk of felony charges since they may not know the magazines were manufactured post-sunset and not pre-ban. However, the prosecution must be able to prove that the subject in possession of the magazine had knowledge that it was in fact a post-ban magazine.
During the period of the federal ban, ATF would issue rulings as to whether attachment of a given muzzle device on a post-ban rifle was permissible because it acted only as a brake, or impermissible because it acted as a flash suppressor. As with magazines, the New York regulatory scheme implicitly relied upon such federal regulatory determinations for enforcement of the state's ban. With the sunset of the federal ban, ATF is no longer concerned with classifying muzzle devices. New York residents now may acquire or modify rifles, attaching what they believe to be muzzle brakes, but which, at some point, New York police or prosecutors may deem to be flash suppressors, resulting in arrest or prosecution for unwitting possession of a banned rifle. [See NYS Penal Law § 265.00(22) defining "Assault Weapon" to include "a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics... (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor." There is no definition of 'flash suppressor' in § 265.00, which contains all definitions for the ban, thus leaving grounds for arrest and prosecution uncertain until what is or is not a 'flash suppressor' is resolved by state courts or clarified by statute.]

[Kraven251]

yeah well bigger problem here is where/why did a convicted murderer get a firearm, especially in NY. I am just sorry that the revolving door of the prison system cost 2 firefighters their lives.

and that will not be the focus of the news reports, not now.

[SuperiorDG]

I heard on the radio this morning somebody (don't remember who) giving a press conference and he said the rifle was equipped with a flash suppressor. Holy shit, no wonder he was so deadly.

I heard the muzzle flash alerted the police to the shooters location. He must have be using the shotgun he had or the revolver. Or perhaps the flash suppressor don't work like they do on TV.

[lead_magnet]

I'm guessing that they will forget about this part of that article

"Had the police officer not been there, more people would have been killed because he immediately engaged the shooter with a rifle,"

[sabot_round]

The tin foil in me wonders if there are not anti gun people crazy enough to pay someone or to even do something themselves with an EBR just to promote that agenda. (Nothing so big as OMG Barack arranged it, just that .01% of people that are crazy and OCD'd out on this topic.)

I was wondering the same thing!! What kind of tinfoil do you use?[Beer]

[ANADRILL]

Bushmaster .223 all the liberal media knows

[Mountain Boy]

I was wondering the same thing!! What kind of tinfoil do you use?[Beer]

X2. FIL & I just discussing the same thing!!! BTW, I use that cheap Safeway Tinfoil so who knows but Felon, evil banned gun in NY with a 3 page typed note that makes it through a blazing inferno to be found......Not just fishy but rotten slury crap in a can wrapped in good foil!!!![tinhat]