View Full Version : PREORDER: TAVOR
ChunkyMonkey
12-24-2012, 17:42
http://www.copesdistributing.net/tavor-nato-flattop-bull-p-5820.html
IWI TAVOR SAR-B16 5.56 NATO FLATTOP 16.5" BULL-PUP FDE
http://www.copesdistributing.net/images/GTSFD16.gif
Cheaper but out of stock too http://grabagun.com/iwi-tavor-sar-b16-5-56-fde.html
Ok, I'll give a kidney and my first born to whomever who buys me one... sweet jesus.
Grant H.
12-24-2012, 18:41
Lets hope they get this worked out before they ban all semi-auto rifles.
For now, I am happy I have my bullpup wants covered for now.
blacklabel
12-24-2012, 19:15
I'll take two please.
patrick0685
12-24-2012, 19:34
that does look pretty sweet
Tinelement
12-24-2012, 19:40
[Love4]
Danceswithwires
12-24-2012, 20:34
"100% AMBIDEXTROUS" holy crap! ok you have my attention
Great-Kazoo
12-24-2012, 21:49
FDE Fuck NO. I've passed on cheap AR's due to that #%^& color. More for U guyz
ChadAmberg
12-24-2012, 21:52
I want one so very much...
KestrelBike
12-24-2012, 22:38
I "preordered" the 16.5 flattop in black from Copes. Apparently at this stage you don't give your CC info but instead chose check/MO and then one of the copes people will contact you to get your FFL dealer info and CC info. They want the Cc info on file but say they won't charge it until the weapon ships. From the giant 115 page thread on arfcom ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_43/280158_Charles_Daly_working_with_IMI_to_produce_a_ US_TAVOR___PICS_INSIDE___Confirmed_By_C_D_Mr_K_ins ide_.html&page=108 my apologies if linking is a no no), CDaly is hoping to ship to distributors by end of March.
I think as of a few days ago, someone in that thread was #80 in line for the black 16.5 flattop. I only preordered this morning and have not been contacted by anyone which is not surprising. Also, I'm all about OD Green but not too fond of FDE either. And I'm hoping like crazy that some stupid new AWB doesn't torpedo CDaly's ass right out of the water.
akumadiavolo
12-27-2012, 16:42
I am interested but I would really prefer the built in optic model. I am going to have to see when those go up for pre-sale.
griebel303
12-27-2012, 17:00
That is awesome. I want it
KestrelBike
12-29-2012, 11:53
I am interested but I would really prefer the built in optic model. I am going to have to see when those go up for pre-sale.
What "built-in optic" do you mean? They all come with the flip up backup iron sights, just the long rail versions have them underneath (so I guess they're inaccessible as long as you have the rail on? At least they're included if you change your mind about the huge rail!). The "IDF" version comes with a Meprolight reflex sight that is attached to a flush fit short rail, and that's how you can see the front flip up sight unobstructed. The IDF version is preselling for the $2,390 or whatever. Errr they were, I just looked on the website and there are no Tavors anymore. Hopefully I got in on time... Nobody has contacted me yet : (
KestrelBike
01-31-2013, 23:52
From the arfcom thread, someone posted yesterday that he talked with the lady at Copes and she says that the preorders for black 16" flat-tops are set to ship early March (this definitely sounds plausible, as from some of the videos at Shot Show 2013 with the IMI guy, he said that they were "in production"). I am pumped!!
ChunkyMonkey
02-01-2013, 00:21
Thanks for the update.
What "built-in optic" do you mean? They all come with the flip up backup iron sights, just the long rail versions have them underneath (so I guess they're inaccessible as long as you have the rail on? At least they're included if you change your mind about the huge rail!). The "IDF" version comes with a Meprolight reflex sight that is attached to a flush fit short rail, and that's how you can see the front flip up sight unobstructed. The IDF version is preselling for the $2,390 or whatever. Errr they were, I just looked on the website and there are no Tavors anymore. Hopefully I got in on time... Nobody has contacted me yet : (
I got to handle these at SHOT this year and was very impressed. The flatt top version has flip up sights built into the rail, not under it and when people say the IDF has a "built in" optic it's because the mepro site it attached to the barrel while the other versions attach to the rail. Basically the flat top versions are easier to customize and the IDF is closer to what the Israelis are issued.
KestrelBike
02-01-2013, 10:10
I got to handle these at SHOT this year and was very impressed. The flatt top version has flip up sights built into the rail, not under it and when people say the IDF has a "built in" optic it's because the mepro site it attached to the barrel while the other versions attach to the rail. Basically the flat top versions are easier to customize and the IDF is closer to what the Israelis are issued.
Yessss great, thanks for the insights and corrections!!
Yessss great, thanks for the insights and corrections!!
Good thing you pre-ordered, the demand is getting crazy already. The version you ordered (black 16.5 flat tops) will be the first ones released from what I was told, followed by the other versions very soon after. When I got to handle them the balance was great, controls were well thought out, and I was surprised how small they are (shorter than my 11.5 inch SBR AR15). You're going to love it. Can't wait to get mine as well!
ChunkyMonkey
02-01-2013, 14:40
Can someone clarify whether tavor will be in .223 or 5.56? I have read both on different sites. Not a big deal, but I only stock up on m855, so I prefer 5.56.
KestrelBike
02-01-2013, 15:33
Can someone clarify whether tavor will be in .223 or 5.56? I have read both on different sites. Not a big deal, but I only stock up on m855, so I prefer 5.56.
http://iwi.us/tavor.html
From the horse's mouth, all 5.56 nato!
damn i want one... anyone want to sell me their preorder?
If anyone wants one I suggest calling Melissa at Copes Disrtibuting and getting on their cancellation/wait list. Better than nothing right now and you'll be in line for the next orders they take.
KestrelBike
02-04-2013, 20:01
From IWI's Facebook: Tavors lined up for testing
KestrelBike
02-04-2013, 20:02
If anyone wants one I suggest calling Melissa at Copes Disrtibuting and getting on their cancellation/wait list. Better than nothing right now and you'll be in line for the next orders they take.
You can also get on Grabagun.com's notification email list, I've heard.
strm_trpr
03-18-2013, 14:31
Why oh why did this gun have to come out now, the worst possible time :( I would like to get one of these bad boys, looks like the best bullpup to date. Maybe I can get one some day but who knows. Anybody else lusting over one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9155MuJcT88
Our good friend Chunky Monkey posted info on this...
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/77679-PREORDER-TAVOR?highlight=Tavor
I want one so damn bad!
strm_trpr
03-18-2013, 14:49
Ohh, I missed that one. Thanks, I just saw the MAC video and started drooling.
Rooskibar03
03-18-2013, 14:57
Put me down for one. Damn that's cool.
akumadiavolo
03-18-2013, 15:02
I have had mine on pre-order for a while now. Just waiting not so patiently for it to come out.
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2013, 15:31
Not at all. We spent our money on tax stamps, What's in Your Wallet;)
If someone's buying, I'll take one! HA. It sure is pretty.
LigersRCool
03-18-2013, 17:15
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I got to play with a couple of them at the Shot Show. Everyone had the table display one's in their hands already, but no one was touching the one on the wall. I even had time to snap a couple pictures before picking it up.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/DSCN4271.jpg
This was not my favorite bullpup though...
This one was more comfortable to me. Everything was also ambidextrous.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/DSCN4266.jpg
Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
Teufelhund
03-19-2013, 00:44
Great review. Thanks for posting. Now I really want one. Seems like a great, ergonomic design. The only thing I don't like is the built-in BUIS; they seem a little gimmicky. Since it has a full rail though, that's easily remedied if they don't work out. Really awesome that it'll reliably use the wide variety of grandfathered high-capacity baby-killing assault clips I own.
Spyder, what is that second one you posted?
Teufelhund
03-19-2013, 00:45
Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
Not at all. The barrel and bolt moves back toward your shoulder, inside the body of the weapon. Great CQB design.
ChunkyMonkey
03-19-2013, 01:02
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[panic] You'll see them on gunbroker for 2-3k first.
jreifsch80
03-19-2013, 01:21
i like that they're going to have 5.45 barrels available :)
Teufelhund
03-19-2013, 01:32
i like that they're going to have 5.45 barrels available :)
When they come out with a 300 BLK conversion, I will sell stuff to buy one if I have to.
Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
Like Tuefulhund said they eliminate most of the buttstock by moving the receiver back to your shoulder.
The Norinco MAK90 is 8 3/4 inches shorter with K-VAR bullpup stock installed.
A Saiga 7.62x39 is 10 inches shorter with a Kushnapup bullpup stock installed.
A Saiga 12 is 9 1/4 inches shorter with a Kushnapup stock installed.
A Mossberg 500 Bullpup is 11 inches shorter than the Mossberg 500 it is based on.
My Ruger 10/22 is 7 1/2 inches shorter than the carbine I started with.
Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
Compared to a 10.5" SBR...
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww147/fngmike/sh/sbr_vs_bullpup_2.jpg
Colorado Osprey
03-19-2013, 05:44
Never understood the appeal of bullpups... it's moving the grip forward, not reducing the OAL.
The Tavor (24") with a 16" barrel is shorter than the M4 (33" with stock extended for shooting) with a 14.5" barrel.
The point of a bullpup is not to shorten the overall length either... it is to move the weight back closer to your shoulder. When you are not supporting as much moving mass away from your body it is easier to keep it steady and therefore more accurate. Secondly, by keeping the weapon closer to your body and having a smaller overall length you can traverse obstacles and maneuver in tight quarters easier.
Another example is the Kel-Tec RFB (26" with a 18" Barrel) compared with a FN FAL(30" w/ a 17.2" Barrel) or a PTR-91 (40.4" with a 17.7" barrel)
In these examples a bullpup design makes perfect sense. The biggest flaw with most of the bullpup conversion designs is the triggers... or the trigger transfer systems because the trigger/hammer mechanism is so far removed from the actually trigger and they get a lot of creep and movement.
osok-308
03-19-2013, 06:28
This thing looks amazing!
Professor Frink
03-19-2013, 08:37
I have beenreallyhappy with my AUG, but I would like to try one of these too. Been wanting to try one for awhille.
I'd throw my FS2000 in a ditch for one...and I really like my FS2000
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/nope_zps4461f37d.jpg
akumadiavolo
03-19-2013, 10:05
I'd throw my FS2000 in a ditch for one...and I really like my FS2000
Don't do that, put it in the safe next to the FS2000. That's what I'm doing.
Ok, guess I stand corrected. :-) So how does this translate into long distance shooting with a bullpup? I still would think they'd primarily only be good for close-quarters stuff (doesn't it shorten the sight radius?), but I've never owned one. How does a bullpup hold up at lengthier yardage for accuracy as compared to a conventional stock design?
UncleDave
03-19-2013, 10:39
That is the advantage to the bullpup design. You get the advantages of both the full length 18-20" barrel, and the menuveriblity of the shorter overall length. It's a carbine with the accuracy of a rifle. My only issues with them are the afore mentioned trigger problems, and if you shoot lefty the brass ejects a little close to my nose.
Cylinder Head
03-19-2013, 10:45
I want one BAD. Will buy one when they become available.
Don't do that, put it in the safe next to the FS2000. That's what I'm doing.
Rest assured, I won't. It still looks like the Tavor is built more solidly than the FS2000. I just had to replace my charging handle with the "Judo-Chop" because the plastic one from FNH busted with normal use.
Please stop bringing attn to this :(. Hard enough to find.
@ Dingo, I know already answered, but again actually good for long range purposes aside from trigger issue. Like in the .308 RFB for example, if they ever came out with it, you could have a 24 inch barrel for full advantage of the .308 but have it in a rifle that's a similiar size to a 18 inch AR10.
Try seeing a KSG in person, the high capacity comes from the tube setup, but it does impress upon you how you can have an incredibly tiny package while still having an 18inch barrel. Or another example. My friend got a SBR LWRC. Like 10 or 11 inch barrel. IIRC, it will be like half inch longer than the tavor with 16.5.
Ok, guess I stand corrected. :-) So how does this translate into long distance shooting with a bullpup? I still would think they'd primarily only be good for close-quarters stuff (doesn't it shorten the sight radius?), but I've never owned one. How does a bullpup hold up at lengthier yardage for accuracy as compared to a conventional stock design?
Understand that I should probably have glasses.
That being said we shoot golfballs at 100 yards with my AUGs. They have a 1.5 power sight (standard sight) on them. Personally I can't even see the golfball but as I know where I placed it I know where to shoot to hit it.
strm_trpr
03-19-2013, 16:16
Please stop bringing attn to this :(. Hard enough to find.
Yeah yeah, I just watched the video and went from 6 to midnight so I had to share. It was the first comprehensive review i had seen.
Ok guys, I think I am stocked up on AR mags so the basic feeding needs of the Tavor are covered.
What I am looking for is what type of mags the Tavor will use for the 9mm kit and the 5.45x39?
jreifsch80
03-31-2013, 23:56
as for the 5.45 i would think the c products 5.45 mags would work i use those for my ar and mine work great
Ok guys,
What I am looking for is what type of mags the Tavor will use for the 9mm kit...?
"9mm conversion kits using "Colt Style" 9mm magazines or "modified UZI mags" will be available."
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=51573.0
If those guys are right. The pictures I have seen sure look like they are based on the Uzi mag.
Uzi mags are readily available now. They are easy to convert except for the last round bolt hold open.
Oh, and I saw a posting over on ar15.com that the poster said he was going to start working on a 22rf conversion kit. I lost the link to it.
2nd gen window pmags can be modded for 5.45 and 556 use
2nd gen window pmags can be modded for 5.45 and 556 use
But is that what the gun will be set to use?
We know for certain that it isn't using PMags for the 9mm...do we know that they plan on PMags for the 5.45?
Great-Kazoo
04-02-2013, 21:14
But is that what the gun will be set to use?
We know for certain that it isn't using PMags for the 9mm...do we know that they plan on PMags for the 5.45?
You can load 5.45 in pmags. I'd use usgi ones so you could tweak the feed lips if needed.
You can load 5.45 in pmags. I'd use usgi ones so you could tweak the feed lips if needed.
Do we know that the TAVOR won't be set up to take the AK74 mags instead?
Bailey Guns
04-03-2013, 17:15
Figured I'd revive this slightly cold thread because I actually fondled a Tavor rifle today. Picked up a new toy from a guy this afternoon and not only did he have the Tavor, he had a Kel-Tec RFB sitting right next to it. The Tavor felt really solid and well balanced. I didn't try the trigger so I have no idea on that. I got the feeling that it would be a fantastic rifle to shoot. Same for the RFB. It felt a lot more solid than I thought it would. Both were quality guns that I'll lust after for some time.
KestrelBike
04-03-2013, 18:13
Figured I'd revive this slightly cold thread because I actually fondled a Tavor rifle today. Picked up a new toy from a guy this afternoon and not only did he have the Tavor, he had a Kel-Tec RFB sitting right next to it. The Tavor felt really solid and well balanced. I didn't try the trigger so I have no idea on that. I got the feeling that it would be a fantastic rifle to shoot. Same for the RFB. It felt a lot more solid than I thought it would. Both were quality guns that I'll lust after for some time.
How much was he asking for for the tavor?
Bailey Guns
04-03-2013, 18:45
$3k NIB.
KestrelBike
04-03-2013, 19:27
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1IWITSB16&name=IWI+TAVOR+SAR+.223%2f5.56+Rifle+16.5%22&search=tavor
f'in RUN do not walk.
kidicarus13
04-03-2013, 19:38
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1IWITSB16&name=IWI+TAVOR+SAR+.223%2f5.56+Rifle+16.5%22&search=tavor
f'in RUN do not walk.
I ran but obviously not fast enough
We're sorry, 'IWI TAVOR SAR .223/5.56 Rifle 16.5"' (F1IWITSB16) has sold out.
LigersRCool
04-03-2013, 19:58
Get on that notify list!!!
Here ya guys go, it's going for $2325, with a day and 15 hours left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334715910
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/334715000/334715910/pix998843305.jpg
Oh look, here's another going for $2550, with only 32 minutes left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334509465
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/334509000/334509465/pix556341493.jpg
WRU 18 inch FDE. Need to resign myself to waiting probably at least a year to get what I want at non 50% increase over MSRP .
Did I mention this one that is a buy it now for $2500?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=335451656
Come on, someone buy the last one...
theGinsue
04-03-2013, 20:48
Merged - 3 for 1
Does GEN3 Pmag drop free on TAVOR?
Cylinder Head
04-03-2013, 21:15
Does GEN3 Pmag drop free on TAVOR?
They all do I believe the Gen 1's just have an issue with the bolt locking back.
not paying over MSRP if the gun is barely going for $2,500 on gunbroker.
Did I mention this one that is a buy it now for $2500?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=335451656
Bwaaahahahahahah, one of you bought it..... Who was it?
Spyder, what is that second one you posted?
It is an MSBS 5.56 made by Radom
http://www.strikehold.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/776px-MSBS-556-prototype.jpg
I guess I gotta wait about 2month+ to buy a TAVOR.
Teufelhund
04-03-2013, 22:36
It is an MSBS 5.56 made by Radom
http://www.strikehold.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/776px-MSBS-556-prototype.jpg
Very cool! Polish made, for their military. They do intend to eventually market them here (we'll see what the UN has to say about that). Bullpup at 5:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEIDAk2bSR4
i just don't like bull pups not sure why
i just don't like bull pups not sure why
Thanks for stopping by and telling us all what not to get you for your birthday. See ya later.
patrick0685
04-03-2013, 23:29
i want one so bad
Cylinder Head
04-03-2013, 23:55
i want one so bad
I was sold when LAV said he'd seriously consider picking one up over an M4 in a "bad" situation.
patrick0685
04-04-2013, 00:28
they felt very nice at the shot show
i just don't like bull pups not sure why
I'm with you. I particularly don't like the mags near my ear for reloads.
I really want to feel one. That pistol grip just looks too small to be held comfortably...
I want a TAVOR!
Oh... Did I already said I want one? :D
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