Is this our future? Charged with crimes for owning so called assault weapons

[battle_sight_zero]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/g...gQIFATgmh2OAcI (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gun_rap_on_pa_cop_Dv0r84uKgQIFATgmh2OAcI)[fail]


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Port Authority cop Jeffrey Haner was busted on possession of two illegal assault weapons, including the same type of Bushmaster rifle used in the Newtown massacre, authorities said.
Ramsey, NJ, police said they took a total of 10 weapons from Haner after his wife asked for a temporary restraining order.
The 41-year-old cop, who works at the George Washington Bridge and made $175,000 last year, also had eight legal guns, including two handguns, Ramsey police said.
But Haner’s .223-caliber Bushmaster and Chinese-made Norinco rifle were fitted with accessories including flash suppressors that made them illegal assault weapons under New Jersey law, police said.

He was charged on Dec. 21 with two counts of possessing an assault weapon without a permit, police said. The maximum penalty for each charge is five years in prison.
Haner was also charged with one count of possessing high-capacity magazines, which carries a maximum penalty of up to 18 months in prison.
A source familiar with Haner’s case said he bought the guns more than 15 years ago and they were stored in a locked case.
Haner did not return a call seeking comment.
Bobby Egbert, a spokesman for the Port Authority PBA, said Haner had an “impeccable 19-plus-years career” with the department.
“It’s our hope that he is treated fairly,” he said.
Haner joined the PA force in 1993. He was among the officers who responded to the World Trade Center in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and worked on the pile to remove debris, according to a written account by a PA sergeant.
Haner’s salary is $90,000 and, as of Sept. 30, he had earned $48,198 in overtime this year. Haner’s 2011 salary, overtime and other benefits came to $175,798, PA records show.
The PA suspended Haner without pay, making him the eighth such officer this year.
Additionally, at least three other officers were suspended with pay. A trio of PA cops who worked at the Holland Tunnel were suspended for fudging truck inspections to show they were more productive.

[DeusExMachina]

Wow. Probably the first time someone has been charged for that, and it's a cop.

[dwalker460]

So the guy with an impeccable record who works overtime and does his job gets suspended without pay for possessing weapons that not only should be legal, but were purchased when they were legal, and two crooked sonsofbitches who were falsifying public records are suspended with pay.
Way to go PA.

I know Stupidity runs rampant in the northeast, but you would think they would pull their heads out of thier asses once in a while.

[battle_sight_zero]

Wow. Probably the first time someone has been charged for that, and it's a cop.

I hope all of us so called assault weapon owners are paying attention. Hope to God there is no weapons ban in the future, but if there is are we going to have to modify our property to comply with the liberal idea of a neutered weapon? Will be arrested for not modifying our personal property?

[dwalker460]

I hope all of us so called assault weapon owners are paying attention. Hope to God there is no weapons ban in the future, but if there is are we going to have to modify our property to comply with the liberal idea of a neutered weapon? Will be arrested for not modifying our personal property?

YOu really do not want my answer to that question...

[Irving]

Why was what he made even in the article? Isn't that a lot of money for a cop though?

[cofi]

jersey does not play around with gun stuff....i have heard of out of state police officers being charged because of hollow point ammunition in there duty guns

[DSB OUTDOORS]

http://youtu.be/O0B_UZNtEk4

[jhood001]

Why was what he made even in the article?

Right? Probably a method to cast him in even more of a negative light.

'Acorn employee charged with voter fraud' = Good, glad they got him/her.

'Acorn employee who makes 210,000$ a year charged with voter fraud' = I'LL KEEL THAT SUMBITCH!

[DavieD55]

Criminalizing everyone is their goal.

[Cylinder Head]

NJ born and raised and I lived there for 31 years. I bought by AR in NJ and it was a regular Cirque du Soleil act to get it "NJ Legal". I had to pin the stock in place, and pin my Battlecomp, both at different gunsmiths. I had to stick to "low cap" mags even though every training course I went to in that state the SWAT guys who ran the class would hand us all a few 30 rounders for the duration.

NJ gun laws are beyond heinous. I'd put them right below Cali. You have NO 2A rights there. It's a privilege, and the application process is a mess.

[Great-Kazoo]

NJ born and raised and I lived there for 31 years. I bought by AR in NJ and it was a regular Cirque du Soleil act to get it "NJ Legal". I had to pin the stock in place, and pin my Battlecomp, both at different gunsmiths. I had to stick to "low cap" mags even though every training course I went to in that state the SWAT guys who ran the class would hand us all a few 30 rounders for the duration.

NJ gun laws are beyond heinous. I'd put them right below Cali. You have NO 2A rights there. It's a privilege, and the application process is a mess.

What exit [ROFL2]

Within the year some people may become political prisoners. At the very least. Based on history that repeats itself more often than not.

[Cylinder Head]

151, Montclair

[cofi]

151, Montclair

ohhh the nice side of montclair :D i was 148 those 4 miles make a difference

[Cylinder Head]

Big, big diffence.

[Great-Kazoo]

jersey does not play around with gun stuff....i have heard of out of state police officers being charged because of hollow point ammunition in there duty guns

Unless you have authorization prior to crossing in to jersey as an On Duty LE, you will be arrested.

[MAP]

jersey does not play around with gun stuff....i have heard of out of state police officers being charged because of hollow point ammunition in there duty guns

Under HR218, as ammended in 2010, an LEO can carry any ammunition not prohibited by Federal Law, nation wide.

Mike.

[battle_sight_zero]

Not trying to sound revolutionary , but what is going to be our sides "line in the sand"? For me I feel that I lived a pretty honorable life with doing good things for my community and society as a whole. Suddenly many things I believe in are thought of as bad and not conforming to the new norms of society as determined by those on the left. Incidents like what this police officer is dealing with make me sad for where he is and where the rest of us are heading. Every word in that article was spinned to make the man look like a criminal and a threat to society. Then to put out the officers salary to make him look greedy etc. Yeah cops work a lot of OT everywhere and that's his business. Either way it scares me about how media and the anti 2nd people are. This cops life is screwed regardless of how this ends. Sad very sad.

[stevelkinevil]

Criminalizing everyone is their goal.

When there aren't enough criminals (terrorists ect..) one simply creates them.

[def90]

1st step towards mandatory confiscation? Place charges on a cop and take away his $175k/year, make an example out of him. Afterwards, once the call goes out to start confiscation, what LEO would resist following orders?

[Ridge]

including the same type of Bushmaster rifle used in the Newtown massacre

This is the part I'm getting fucking sick of.

[BushMasterBoy]

In the back of my mind, a little voice keeps talking about a revolt over the right to keep & bear arms. It will probably adhere to Murphys Law and will coincide with a terrorist attack on the US of A & and the use of a nuclear weapon(s) in the mideast, disrupting the flow of oil imports. No oil means severe increase in the price of everything and probably a triple price increase in oil. The .gov is setting us up to fail...

http://www.flightlinefabrications.com/images/EBAY/Firearms/404x404%20M4%20Carbine%20Jolly%20Roger.jpg

[Zundfolge]

...but what is going to be our sides "line in the sand"?...

The problem is that the line is so obscured that you won't be able to see it clearly until several years after you've passed it and you're neck deep in it ... the whole "boiling frog" thing.

Honestly I think we're going to look back on it and realize that 1913 was the year we should have revolted (no, that's not a typo, Ninteen Hundred and Thirteen ... the year that the seeds of our destruction were sewed ... Wilson should never have lived to see the end of his first term and the anti-Constitution "Progressive Movement" should have been snuffed out in its infancy).

[gos]

./shrug he chose to live in New Jersey without knowing his own state's laws.

[flan7211]

Hear hear. 100% agree.


The problem is that the line is so obscured that you won't be able to see it clearly until several years after you've passed it and you're neck deep in it ... the whole "boiling frog" thing.

Honestly I think we're going to look back on it and realize that 1913 was the year we should have revolted (no, that's not a typo, Ninteen Hundred and Thirteen ... the year that the seeds of our destruction were sewed ... Wilson should never have lived to see the end of his first term and the anti-Constitution "Progressive Movement" should have been snuffed out in its infancy).

[Bailey Guns]

Why was what he made even in the article? Isn't that a lot of money for a cop though?

That's what I got outta this. $175k for a cop???? The gun thing just didn't surprise me but the money thing did.

[Byte Stryke]

The problem is that the line is so obscured that you won't be able to see it clearly until several years after you've passed it and you're neck deep in it ... the whole "boiling frog" thing.

Honestly I think we're going to look back on it and realize that 1913 was the year we should have revolted (no, that's not a typo, Ninteen Hundred and Thirteen ... the year that the seeds of our destruction were sewn ... Wilson should never have lived to see the end of his first term and the anti-Constitution "Progressive Movement" should have been snuffed out in its infancy).

[Angel5]

[funkymonkey1111]

That's what I got outta this. $175k for a cop???? The gun thing just didn't surprise me but the money thing did.

unions are a wonderful thing to extort $$ from the citizenry

[rockhound]

This is the beginning, this falls in line with all kinds of initiatives from the left, the un gun ban, agenda 21 is written all over this, i dont usually wear a tin foil hat, but your rights are about to be trampled severly

[StreetDoctor]

unions are a wonderful thing to extort $$ from the citizenry

Let's not start the union bashing.... :rolleyes

I was a firefighter outside of chicago before moving here and I made nearly 90k without overtime. Property taxes on a 250k (3b2b 1500sq ft) house was also nearly $8,000 and sales tax is the highest in the country (11% I believe). My wife and I were definitely "middle class". Cost of living is a LOT cheaper out here. I make half of what I did back there and we live a lot more comfortably in a much bigger house. I believe NJ has the same property taxes.

[battle_sight_zero]

unions are a wonderful thing to extort $$ from the citizenry

It's not a union thing, many of the metro area rank and file officers around here are making some six figure salaries not because of unions but because they work some serious amount of overtime. I would not fault someone for making the effort to want to earn extra money for themselves and their families. However the intent of me posting this article was to enlighten others of what may be coming regarding our currently legal firearms, and that down the road we may be made into villians like this person was. Most of us members are up standing citizens, and I am sure down the road we don't want to be made in to villians. We got to stand up and address this blatant attacks on the 2nd and turn it around. I own firearms because I can. I also own them to protect myself and my family. Some of us have spent some time in countries where rights such as firearm ownership and to speak your mind are not part of the culture. Thats part of the reason we were there. It scares the hell out of me when our society wants to ban those rights, for it makes me believe we could end up like one of those countries I mentioned where the government oppresses and is not held in check by the balance of its people.

[Great-Kazoo]

http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111 http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=826723#post826723)
unions are a wonderful thing to extort $$ from the citizenry




Let's not start the union bashing.... :rolleyes

I was a firefighter outside of chicago before moving here and I made nearly 90k without overtime. Property taxes on a 250k (3b2b 1500sq ft) house was also nearly $8,000 and sales tax is the highest in the country (11% I believe). My wife and I were definitely "middle class". Cost of living is a LOT cheaper out here. I make half of what I did back there and we live a lot more comfortably in a much bigger house. I believe NJ has the same property taxes.


Agreed our daugher had / still has the opportunity to work NYPD for some ungodly sum.
HOWEVER as posted above. Take the starting salary with increases over the years. Include the average median priced home (in even a shitty area) starts @ $300K EASY factor in TAXES [ Long island for ex] average yearly home owners starts @ $8-12K once again in a less than perfect area. Vehicle ins, food cost Forget about riding the train. Which is about the only perk LE receives (they ride for free) everyone else that's another $250 mthly.

Cheap place to dine out other than the Clown's golden arches dinner for 2 $75 NOT INCL Tax, Alcohol, Gratuity .
Hell due to the density of housing the only place to build is UP. The kids live at home because a 2 bd 1 bath dinette apt over some levitt home starts @ $2K. My nephew purchased a foreclosure for $325K ! ! ! ! That is one which needed major renovation before occupying. Now he has foundation and starting over due to hurricane Sandy.

[Ghosty]

Not defending NJ laws, it's sickening, but we as citizens must educate ourselves on what is legal. Just like with Pitbulls in Colorado. KNOW YOUR COUNTY, laws may vary between them. No one wants to cry about it later, there are a LOT of unfair laws.

And here's how he got paid $175k:


...he had earned $48,198 in overtime this year. Haner’s 2011 salary, overtime and other benefits came to $175,798, PA records show.
The PA suspended Haner without pay, making him the eighth such officer this year.
Additionally, at least three other officers were suspended with pay. A trio of PA cops who worked at the Holland Tunnel were suspended for fudging truck inspections to show they were more productive.

[Dave_L]

My concern out of all this is that they took them AFTER the wife filed a TEMPORARY restraining order. Once they require gun registration, it'll be as simple as this:

"You haave a restraining order against you, we have to search and seize all firearms now. I see you have a .40, a shotgun and 2 AR-15's registered. Step aside, sir. This wont take very long."

And all the little sheeple will be on board because you're a "threat" and shouldnt have access to guns.

[MAP]

I posted this on another board concerning this arrest:

The laws in NJ concerning LEOs having privately owned "assault weapons" are interpreted differently by each county Court. Listed as exempt from the "Assault Weapon" ban is:


"A regularly employed member, including a detective, of the police department of any county or municipality, or of any State, interstate, municipal or county park police force or boulevard police force, at all times while in the State of New Jersey" NJSA 2C:39-6(7) (a)


Some Courts in NJ have held the LEOs can have "Assault Weapons" while others have allowed charges to proceed. In the 1990s a sitting State Attorney General directed that no LEO would be prosecuted for possession of an "Assault Weapon" until the legislature clarified the Statute. No clarification ever took place.


While I personally believe that possession of an semi-auto rifle, regardless of features, is protected under the 2nd Amendment, this officer will have a long haul to clear his name.


Mike

[funkymonkey1111]

Let's not start the union bashing.... :rolleyes

I was a firefighter outside of chicago before moving here and I made nearly 90k without overtime. Property taxes on a 250k (3b2b 1500sq ft) house was also nearly $8,000 and sales tax is the highest in the country (11% I believe). My wife and I were definitely "middle class". Cost of living is a LOT cheaper out here. I make half of what I did back there and we live a lot more comfortably in a much bigger house. I believe NJ has the same property taxes.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what you do or where you come from.

[Cylinder Head]

I posted this on another board concerning this arrest:

The laws in NJ concerning LEOs having privately owned "assault weapons" are interpreted differently by each county Court. Listed as exempt from the "Assault Weapon" ban is:


"A regularly employed member, including a detective, of the police department of any county or municipality, or of any State, interstate, municipal or county park police force or boulevard police force, at all times while in the State of New Jersey" NJSA 2C:39-6(7) (a)


Some Courts in NJ have held the LEOs can have "Assault Weapons" while others have allowed charges to proceed. In the 1990s a sitting State Attorney General directed that no LEO would be prosecuted for possession of an "Assault Weapon" until the legislature clarified the Statute. No clarification ever took place.


While I personally believe that possession of an semi-auto rifle, regardless of features, is protected under the 2nd Amendment, this officer will have a long haul to clear his name.


Mike

Evan Nappen is a famous NJ gun rights attorney and he will be all over this case in a matter of minutes.

[Ronin13]

I just have to say this... Anyone who moved here from NJ, congrats, you're the smart ones... NJ is a cesspool similar to NY- maybe NJ should be changed from New Jersey to "New York, Jr." Been there once, and never again...