Anyone else truely disappointed in people on here with the panic buying ??

[DD977GM2]

Am I the only one who is truely saddened that folks on here (I have heard more then I have interacted with and no reason to not believe my sources) who are allowing this panic shit to to their heads and take advantage of members on here and act without integrity?

Im not calling anyone out so if you choose to reply in a defensive position and folks call you out that is your doing, not mine.

Im just sad and frustrated folks on here have no scruples and will take advantage of anyone. I understand making a buck but to treat long standing members as if this is arms list or gunbroker is pure bullshit and I wish I could say it to your face. I wouldn't sell my AR to a member on here for the price I'm asking on arms list ,I'd mark it up but not more then 15-20% over MSRP before the shooting. Saddens me to see such low integrity slinging around here.



Rant off

[DD977GM2]

We all are gonna be on her when shit settles down and I'd be hard pressed to deal with the scrupulous people.

[blacklabel]

And here we go.

[Pancho Villa]

Don't like, don't buy.

It's not being taken advantage of, it's a simple reflection that demand has skyrocketed while supply has stayed the same. If you really, really want an AR, now is the worst time to buy one, unless an AWB passes and somehow holds up in court (protip: it won't.) In which case it will be the second worst time to buy one.

Edit: I don't plan on selling anything on here at jacked up prices, and I try to give people on here my stuff at a little below market value anyway because I like having shooters in my community and I remember being hard up on cash and needing a pistol or rifle fast. But those are my thoughts and I stand by them.

[DD977GM2]

Don't like, don't buy.

It's not being taken advantage of, it's a simple reflection that demand has skyrocketed while supply has stayed the same. If you really, really want an AR, now is the worst time to buy one, unless an AWB passes and somehow holds up in court (protip: it won't.) In which case it will be the second worst time to buy one.

Edit: I don't plan on selling anything on here at jacked up prices, and I try to give people on here my stuff at a little below market value anyway because I like having shooters in my community and I remember being hard up on cash and needing a pistol or rifle fast. But those are my thoughts and I stand by them.

In a few situtations I am refering to it is taking advantage. Jacking the price up after price was quoted and deal set, just date of purchase was not set is BS, time frame was a week or so before shooting and then
a few days after shooting.
Obviously taking advantage of a person who you just bought an item from and asking to buy the item back and give the brand new one in the mail, and because panic the item is now all of a sudden
$300 more then it was a day before.
These are examples of what I am refering too.

[battle_sight_zero]

It's everywhere not just here. Hopefully its just a panic and everything will settle down. However this may be our last opportunity to get some things that may be banned. So to get those things we have to sale at the same price structure as everyone else. Sad but true. Personally I say hold on to what you have because once they start talking and debating on the state and Federal legislation floors its going to get far worse. That 2000 dollar Colt will have been a bargain.

[DD977GM2]

It's everywhere not just here. Hopefully its just a panic and everything will settle down. However this may be our last opportunity to get some things that may be banned. So to get those things we have to sale ay the same price structure as everyone else.

I know its all over, I just thought that long standing members here had more integrity then they are displaying now and in the end we will all be here at the end of this panic and
just sucks knowing that these folks will be screwing folks over at every turn they get a chance to.

[Sharpienads]

In a few situtations I am refering to it is taking advantage. Jacking the price up after price was quoted and deal set, just date of purchase was not set is BS, time frame was a week or so before shooting and then
a few days after shooting.
Obviously taking advantage of a person who you just bought an item from and asking to buy the item back and give the brand new one in the mail, and because panic the item is now all of a sudden
$300 more then it was a day before.
These are examples of what I am refering too.

You're saying a seller agreed to sell something at one price, then before the actual transaction took place, the panic set in and the seller raised the price?

[wreave]

I'd mark it up but not more then 15-20% over MSRP before the shooting. Saddens me to see such low integrity slinging around here.

So, you get to decide how much is acceptable to mark up an item over and above what it would normally sell for in non-panic conditions? Since most firearms sell for 10-20% below MSRP, you're talking about potentially a 50% markup over normal available price. And that's okay, apparently, but anything more than that is gouging, right?

I don't like what the market's doing right now, and I would much rather see companies rationing limited supplies rather than jacking up prices, but this is a free market after all.

[Ridge]

In a few situtations I am refering to it is taking advantage. Jacking the price up after price was quoted and deal set

That is BS at any time. I'd cut off the deal and leave negative feedback explaining why.

[Clint45]

No member here would buy an AR15 for quadruple it's actual value . . . most of the guys here own several.

If stupid people want to pay top dollar on armslist, fine . . . after all, many of us bought these guns as an investment, and that is just what you do.

It does piss me off a little to see some folks trying to flip a gun for more than double what they paid for it immediately after buying it . . . especially when I saw it was selling for a good price and contacted the original seller less than an hour after it posted to be told it was already gone. I posted about that a few days ago and a whole buncha folks got all butt-hurt about it. It amused me when the rich boy with the fancy cars boasted that he was going to make a "big profit" flipping a couple P-mags he got cheap. Some people love to make a buck, and it's cool if they want to let everyone on here know who they are.

[Great-Kazoo]

You're saying a seller agreed to sell something at one price, then before the actual transaction took place, the panic set in and the seller raised the price?

Sounds like it to me. If that's the case Gabe should step up Negative ONE the board member and move on. From the OP it sounds like he's upset with anyone who has something listed more then what he would like to pay for it. With that being said i believe the amount of SPF vs. BTT's speak volumes regarding what is deemed a fair price.

SO Gabe which is it?
You get hosed over or just upset.
IF You were hosed over hopefully there is at least 1 pm or em to back it up. If not the only thing i (collectively) see is one big pissing match between you and alleged seller

[tmleadr03]

No one is making anyone buy anything. If both parties agree no one is getting hurt by it.



Jacking the price after agreeing to sell it at a lower price is wrong. But a wholly different situation then the OP.

[Great-Kazoo]

No member here would buy an AR15 for quadruple it's actual value . . . most of the guys here own several.

If stupid people want to pay top dollar on armslist, fine . . . after all, many of us bought these guns as an investment, and that is just what you do.

It does piss me off a little to see some folks trying to flip a gun for more than double what they paid for it immediately after buying it . . . especially when I saw it was selling for a good price and contacted the original seller less than an hour after it posted to be told it was already gone. I posted about that a few days ago and a whole buncha folks got all butt-hurt about it. It amused me when the rich boy with the fancy cars boasted that he was going to make a "big profit" flipping a couple P-mags he got cheap. Some people love to make a buck, and it's cool if they want to let everyone on here know who they are.

GEEZUS Not this shit again. HAVEN'T YOU BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE ENOUGH. MOVE THE FUK ON ALREADY[fail]

[ray1970]

I'm not disappointed with anyone here. I love all you guys. [Beer]

[tmleadr03]

GEEZUS Not this shit again. HAVEN'T YOU BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE ENOUGH. MOVE THE FUK ON ALREADY[fail]

Some will never understand simple, basic economics. It is what it is.

[tmleadr03]

I'm not disappointed with anyone here. I love all you guys. [Beer]

You're still not getting my bud light...

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not disappointed with anyone here. I love all you guys. [Beer]

Speaking of LUV you pick that remmy up yet?

[sroz]

I'm not disappointed with anyone here. I love all you guys. [Beer]

Group hug! .....hey, not too close there, Jim...

[ray1970]

Speaking of LUV you pick that remmy up yet?

Yes, sir. Thanks again for finding it for me. Sorry I didn't have time that day or I would have offered to buy you some coffee or a beer or whatever.

[Beer]

[MrPrena]

Potential buying members can equally rant about the price as Selling members can equally sell the firearm at premium*
Every time when we talk about "price" discussion, it reminds me of that $5000 SCAR. :D

* = feel free to use a different terms, such as current market price, adjusted spike in demand price, or G word.

[battle_sight_zero]

Some will never understand simple, basic economics. It is what it is.

I sold one AR10 on Gunbroker at the rate the other like rifles were going for. I then took the funds and bought replacements at the price they were going for. I acted quick thankfully because the replacements are twice as much now. I don't like it but I am not gaining loosing anything. However I would be happy if people would go for trading more than they are now.

Also I have paid attention to the Gunbroker auctions, its a lot hotter than our site , Armslist and RMGO. The cash that is changing hands there is amazing. That AR10 I mentioned never got one inquiry from anyone around here even at a cheaper price, but it was snatched up 40 more percent than what I was asking for locally and by a dealer at that.

[Great-Kazoo]

Group hug! .....hey, not too close there, Jim...

That you Darling ?

[sroz]

That you Darling ?

Least you didn't call me Nancy this time.

[Great-Kazoo]

Least you didn't call me Nancy this time.

You lost the belt with your name on it i gave you, i don't want to hurt your feelings.

[Great-Kazoo]

HEY GABE you have not told us the whole story, been almost 1 hour but not a peep from you. YET you posted an AR 4 sale approx 30 min ago.
COME ON MAN STEP UP, or i call BS

[spyder]

You're saying a seller agreed to sell something at one price, then before the actual transaction took place, the panic set in and the seller raised the price?
If this is what happened, then what you encountered is BS.

That is BS at any time. I'd cut off the deal and leave negative feedback explaining why.
^ This is what I would do.

[brokenscout]

We weren't mad at you before,lol.. [Coffee]
We all are gonna be on her when shit settles down and I'd be hard pressed to deal with the scrupulous people.

[Great-Kazoo]

This thread SUCKS! DD never stepped up and clarified the deal, JUST pissed and moaned. Perhaps his way of doing a PG thread by another name.[fail][fail][fail]

[cofi]

Potential buying members can equally rant about the price as Selling members can equally sell the firearm at premium*
Every time when we talk about "price" discussion, it reminds me of that $5000 SCAR. :D

* = feel free to use a different terms, such as current market price, adjusted spike in demand price, or G word.

or the 7000$ hk91

[Great-Kazoo]

or the 7000$ hk91

You must have missed it when they went from $1200-$3000 over night back in 94. Then a basic AR sold to CA was bringing $1500. There is not much of a price jump this time from 94. Magazine prices, wait times etc, nothing has changed, just more internet awareness, Only a lot of uninformed, YOUNGER people in to guns who were either not born or old enough to remember the "Early" days of Gun Panic.
Picture todays Pmag as yesterdays Pre 9/94- LE restricted 20 & 30 round USGI mag. Average selling price after the ban was $100 for a COLT / Universal etc Stamped 20 rounder.

[Skully]

Everyone is assuming that Gabe is talking about the price rising on everything due to the panic and current market value.

That is not what I got from his original post.

I think this forum is a bunch of "Brothers from another mother" or "Birds of a feather flock together" type of place and yet some have resorted to extorting their own family so to speak. ............that is what I was reading into it, if Gabe comes back on he can clarify.

[Beer]

[Great-Kazoo]

Everyone is assuming that Gabe is talking about the price rising on everything due to the panic and current market value.

That is not what I got from his original post.

I think this forum is a bunch of "Brothers from another mother" or "Birds of a feather flock together" type of place and yet some have resorted to extorting their own family so to speak. ............that is what I was reading into it, if Gabe comes back on he can clarify.

[Beer]

Thats what i'm waiting for, Step up or back off. He posted an AR for sale 20 something minutes after this thread was started, Why not clear the air.

[GlockDog47]

I think it's sad because I look at this site as a brotherhood. This gun freak out has gotten the best of a few people. I like the shit talking and the deal making. I don't blame people for making money.the crazy deals on here we just need to laugh at, and not let it get to you. Still lots of deals out there.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't like how the panic and unpreparedness of some people has driven some gun/accessory prices out of my budget, but I understand it. This forum doesn't exist in a vacuum so I don't understand why the current market price of an item would be less here than anywhere else.

I was a little confused by the OP as well. Why one would think that raising prices 15% - 20% over MSRP is OK, but 25% isn't, doesn't really make sense to me. I agree with wreave on this. And selling an item on Armslist or RMGO for more than it's sold here isn't the answer, either. I see plenty of forum members (myself included...though not since the panic started) cross-posting items to the other "for sale" venues and many mention they've picked up items from both sites as well. Is it OK to charge a forum member more on another site?

What I do find pretty indefensible were some forum members who LOUDLY bitched and complained about "price gouging" who promptly put their items up for sale at panic-market prices right here in the Trading Post. Apparently you can have it both ways.

I haven't put anything up for sale since some ammo I sold just before the panic set in (BTW...you guys that bought the PMC...I'll gladly buy it back for what you paid for it. :) ). I've sold a few packs of PMags on GB but set the starting price at MSRP. Someone wants to pay $45 per mag, that's their decision.

But I'm not convinced I can replace anything I sell so I'm hanging on to what I have for now.

[brokenscout]

This, its the same people that have no lives and are always bitching, I know one "member" that tried to do it before the "panic" but was the first to bitch.. Its usually only a few of the same breaking the rules.. For some reason they don't get a "time out".. I hate keyboard commandos.


What I do find pretty indefensible were some forum members who LOUDLY bitched and complained about "price gouging" who promptly put their items up for sale at panic-market prices right here in the Trading Post. Apparently you can have it both ways.

I haven't put anything up for sale since some ammo I sold just before the panic set in (BTW...you guys that bought the PMC...I'll gladly buy it back for what you paid for it. :) ). I've sold a few packs of PMags on GB but set the starting price at MSRP. Someone wants to pay $45 per mag, that's their decision.

But I'm not convinced I can replace anything I sell so I'm hanging on to what I have for now.[/QUOTE]

[brokenscout]

Some of these prices now might be deals in the future....
You must have missed it when they went from $1200-$3000 over night back in 94. Then a basic AR sold to CA was bringing $1500. There is not much of a price jump this time from 94. Magazine prices, wait times etc, nothing has changed, just more internet awareness, Only a lot of uninformed, YOUNGER people in to guns who were either not born or old enough to remember the "Early" days of Gun Panic.
Picture todays Pmag as yesterdays Pre 9/94- LE restricted 20 & 30 round USGI mag. Average selling price after the ban was $100 for a COLT / Universal etc Stamped 20 rounder.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I laid in a stock of ammo just before Obama was elected the first time, even bought a bit during the scarcity as Walmart was limiting your purchases. Good thing I did because I had about two boxes of .45 and maybe 200 rounds of 9mm left when the ammo situation eased and I wasn't even shooting that actively at the time. Sure, some people are being stupid with panic buying but it's their money, not mine. Sorry, I just can't get worked up about people living under democratic capitalism.

[Cylinder Head]

It's not just here, it's the entire community taking advantage. There are MODERATORS on M4Carbine selling ACR's for $4k. When the chips are down and there's a chance to make a buck, it's every man for himself.

[brokenscout]

Its not taking advantage , no ones making anyone buy anything,
It's not just here, it's the entire community taking advantage. There are MODERATORS on M4Carbine selling ACR's for $4k. When the chips are down and there's a chance to make a buck, it's every man for himself.

[BREATHER]

I have not found any inflated prices out here. SO FAR... I have been buying ammo and of course I cannot find any .223 but plenty for all my other tools.

[Monky]

This is not the first time he's posted something like this..

Yawn..

[brokenscout]

LOL
This is not the first time he's posted something like this..

Yawn..

[RJLou]

I originally felt the same way as the op and didn't list my ar for sale here, only on armslist. This is a good group of guys and I didn't want to take advantage of any of you.
Now I think I should have put it up here, only because I think that someone here should have had an opportunity to buy it first.

[Gman]

The positive that I see in this demand nationally is that Americans are not buying arms to simply give them up later.

I'm not in the market for anything right now, so I can't speak to sales here. The cost of something is determined by its perceived value. Guns & Ammo are commodities and prices are determined by supply and demand.

[Cylinder Head]

Its not taking advantage , no ones making anyone buy anything,

Thats a BS argument. Our Second Amendment right is in jeopardy and there are many out there who have a need.

[Sharpienads]

Thats a BS argument. Our Second Amendment right is in jeopardy and there are many out there who have a need.

FFS. [facepalm]

[Aloha_Shooter]

Thats a BS argument. Our Second Amendment right is in jeopardy and there are many out there who have a need.

... apparently they are filling that need if the CBI backlog is to be believed. Duty to sell at a "fair" price -- with "fair" being determined by neither seller nor buyer -- is precisely the road advocated by Obamabots.

Adam Smith is working.

[Great-Kazoo]

Thats a BS argument. Our Second Amendment right is in jeopardy and there are many out there who have a need.

Their need is not my problem. I need health ins, a job and be able to stand more than 20-30 minutes at a time. Where's my hand out?

[Gman]

If it hits the fan and your neighbor is helping defend the neighborhood from zombies with a stick, hand him one of your spares.

[Bailey Guns]

FFS. [facepalm]

I'll see your FFS and raise you one "cheese and rice".

[Cylinder Head]

Their need is not my problem. I need health ins, a job and be able to stand more than 20-30 minutes at a time. Where's my hand out?

So apparently the consensus is you want it both ways. Come together and support each other in "All for new and one for all" Three Musketeers fashion when it comes to pending legislation, scalp each other when there's the opportunity to make a buck.

Doesn't ring duplicitous to you? Who wants to be in a "community" that is just looking to rip each other off when the opportunity comes? The same guys who bitch about $2k MSRP AR's are selling their Stags and Oly's for $3k?

[alxone]

you charge what the market will bare .if the op had a deal and the seller then changed the price after a deal was struck then that is something to complain about . i have seen a few sweet deals pop up here that have been snatched up quick and i have seen a few what the f*ck is that pricing . one thing is for sure no matter what the price of an ar will be higher than it was even after the dust settles .

[Sharpienads]

The same people that are bitching about "price gouging" are the same people that would be bitching about (assuming the price of an AR, 5.56, PMAGs, etc didn't adjust to current demand) how a few people went and bought every AR, round of 5.56, and PMAG at every gun store or private party sale and now there's none left for the rest of us.

The fact that prices are high right now is one of the major reasons you still have a chance at the opportunity to buy an AR.

The lower the price of a product is, the more of that product people will buy. That is not an opinion, that is a rule of economics. If people didn't raise the prices on these products, they wouldn't sell them at all. And then we'd be bitching that there aren't any ARs for sale. Like it or not, the market equilibrium price for the things we want are a lot higher than they were a few weeks ago.

http://thismatter.com/economics/images/market-equilibrium-diagram.png

[Great-Kazoo]

So apparently the consensus is you want it both ways. Come together and support each other in "All for new and one for all" Three Musketeers fashion when it comes to pending legislation, scalp each other when there's the opportunity to make a buck.

Doesn't ring duplicitous to you? Who wants to be in a "community" that is just looking to rip each other off when the opportunity comes? The same guys who bitch about $2k MSRP AR's are selling their Stags and Oly's for $3k?


Your terminology regarding me scalping or ripping each other off is ludicrous to say the least. I support those who are prepared. Not some freeloading mother fucker who thinks and or believes because I have, they will be able to get from me as needed. Had a friend like that who said to me."why should i buy a gun, i'm coming to your house" That mentality which you seem to be in favor of reeks of liberalism / nanny state take care of everyone.
Once again if you have an issue with me or anyone else making a dollar because someone FAILED to prepare is your own problem. You do not wait to you run out of gas then fill your tank. When you do and see it's $5. per gallon you bitch because of the price yet could have filled up earlier at a cheaper price.

[Sharpienads]

I'll see your FFS and raise you one "cheese and rice".

Touche.

[Bailey Guns]

So apparently the consensus is you want it both ways. Come together and support each other in "All for new and one for all" Three Musketeers fashion when it comes to pending legislation, scalp each other when there's the opportunity to make a buck.

Doesn't ring duplicitous to you? Who wants to be in a "community" that is just looking to rip each other off when the opportunity comes? The same guys who bitch about $2k MSRP AR's are selling their Stags and Oly's for $3k?

This makes as much sense as your "BS argument" statement. Which is to say, not very much.

WTF does getting a particular price on a gun have to do with defending or not defending the 2A? Let me help you. Nothing. People who are just now trying to acquire a gun are probably not the types I want in my corner in a true 2A battle. The term "sunshine patriots" comes to mind.

The market is what it is and a free market, as well as the 2A, is part of what makes our country function. It's been explained ad nauseum as to how the market works. If you can't comprehend that it's your problem...not someone else's problem.

[alxone]

"sunshine patriots"
i never heard that one [LOL]

[Clint45]

If, after all the shit that's happened in this country over the past few decades, you do not now already own at least one proper home defense firearm . . . AND you have enough cash on hand to pay triple or quadruple value for a beat up homebuilt AR with 5,000+ rounds through it plus a buck a round for an old ziplock bag filled with mixed headstamp reloads . . . well, no pity for rich procrastinators getting bled at panic prices. After all, they never bothered to buy while prices were reasonable, they have not done their research and are paying top dollar for low end beaters, and when you have bought multiple ARs as an "investment" NOW is the time to cash in. That is a LOT different from buying a low priced gun you intend to flip as soon as you get it without even examining or cleaning it at more than double what you just paid for it. There is a guy on armslist who has been buying reasonably priced Smiths and Colts for the past few years, then bumping up the price by at least $100 and reposting the original pic the same day. I thought it was funny when a member here agreed to sell this guy a revolver, then withdrew from the deal when he saw his gun posted for sale at an inflated price BEFORE HE EVEN COMPLETED THE TRANSACTION. Okay Jim, I think I'm done bitching about flipping guns and inflated prices. And for the record, I never had a problem with you guys selling your ARs to the armslist retards at a 400% markup. It is clearly time to cash in your investments.

[Bailey Guns]

i never heard that one [LOL]

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." - Thomas Paine

[Cylinder Head]

Your terminology regarding me scalping or ripping each other off is ludicrous to say the least. I support those who are prepared. Not some freeloading mother fucker who thinks and or believes because I have, they will be able to get from me as needed. Had a friend like that who said to me."why should i buy a gun, i'm coming to your house" That mentality which you seem to be in favor of reeks of liberalism / nanny state take care of everyone.
Once again if you have an issue with me or anyone else making a dollar because someone FAILED to prepare is your own problem. You do not wait to you run out of gas then fill your tank. When you do and see it's $5. per gallon you bitch because of the price yet could have filled up earlier at a cheaper price.

Thats exactly NOT my argument. Nobody scheduled a fucking slaughter of children, it happened and now there are emotions driving both sides of the playing field and there is a scramble to get anything that might be banned in the future.

I have plenty of guns, plenty of ammo and have done my part to write to all legislators who cover me to let them know where they can shove new gun laws.

Fuck "what the market will bear" and don't give me that supply/demand bullshit. I'm a die-hard capitalist and I work in finance, we are the sharks that eat the sharks and you don't have to tell me shit about economics because I have more degrees and designations in that field than anyone here guaranteed. This is supposed to be a community, not a bunch of strangers trying to fuck each other over when the opportunity comes and "you're less prepared that me so now pay for it".

I guess my idealism about this "community" being different than what I do for a living was misplaced. Carry on.

[Sharpienads]

i never heard that one [LOL]

Then you need to read more Thomas Paine.


THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

[Bailey Guns]

If, after all the shit that's happened in this country over the past few decades, you do not now already own at least one proper home defense firearm . . . AND you have enough cash on hand to pay triple or quadruple value for a beat up homebuilt AR with 5,000+ rounds through it plus a buck a round for an old ziplock bag filled with mixed headstamp reloads . . . well, no pity for rich procrastinators getting bled at panic prices. After all, they never bothered to buy while prices were reasonable, they have not done their research and are paying top dollar for low end beaters, and when you have bought multiple ARs as an "investment" NOW is the time to cash in. That is a LOT different from buying a low priced gun you intend to flip as soon as you get it without even examining or cleaning it at more than double what you just paid for it. There is a guy on armslist who has been buying reasonably priced Smiths and Colts for the past few years, then bumping up the price by at least $100 and reposting the original pic the same day. I thought it was funny when a member here agreed to sell this guy a revolver, then withdrew from the deal when he saw his gun posted for sale at an inflated price BEFORE HE EVEN COMPLETED THE TRANSACTION. Okay Jim, I think I'm done bitching about flipping guns and inflated prices. And for the record, I never had a problem with you guys selling your ARs to the armslist retards at a 400% markup. It is clearly time to cash in your investments.

No, there isn't a difference...not if someone is willing to pay the price of the flipped gun. You either have a person willing to pay the price or you don't. Once I've sold my item to someone at agreed upon terms, what he does with it after that is not my concern. Regardless of whether or not I question the person's ethics or motives.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm a die-hard capitalist and I work in finance...

NOTE TO SELF: Find someone else to answer any future financial questions.

[Milt]

"No, there isn't a difference...not if someone is willing to pay the price of the flipped gun. You either have a person willing to pay the price or you don't. Once I've sold my item to someone at agreed upon terms, what he does with it after that is not my concern. Regardless of whether or not I question the person's ethics or motives"

Spot on; one of the most successful investors that I personally know sold a property for nearly twice its original price to a Japanese consortium which, in turn nearly tripled their purchase price. When I asked him how he felt about it, he said, "I like to leave a little on the table for everyone." He was successful precisely because he was focused on making a good deal each time and not wasting time squeezing every last penny out of each deal. What happened after, happened after...

[BlasterBob]

After all, they never bothered to buy while prices were reasonable, they have not done their research and are paying top dollar for low end beaters, and when you have bought multiple ARs as an "investment" NOW is the time to cash in. That is a LOT different from buying a low priced gun you intend to flip as soon as you get it without even examining or cleaning it at more than double what you just paid for it. .

Right on....If the firearms were really bought merely as an "INVESTMENT" NOW is the time to sell em and make some bucks on your investment. If you bought a nice authentic GOLD coin for around $1,600 yesterday and in a week that same coin is going for around $2500 (yeah, damn doubtful) how many here will sell it for just a few bucks over what was originally paid for it. Sounds like a bunch of old ladies bitching about stuff while sipping their tea doing their knitting. If it's too damn high for your idea of a fair price, just don't buy the damn thing. Cripes, get on with your lives guys...........[blaster]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Damn there's a lot of cry baby bullshit going on right now. Any of you guys that think its wrong to ask for $1500 for a $850 gun 3 weeks ago, well I'm on my way to buy your guns at tha price. If you guys spent as much time writing our reps as you did bitching, well I won't be writing this thread. Welcome to grownupville, quit bitching and move along. Fuck.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

You cry babies are going to sell your houses in 20 years for what you paid for them when you bought em right? If not you're a gouger. Jerks. Fuck.

[VolksDragon]

I've made countless good deals to members of this community, and I feel like many of those good deals have been paid forward, or back to me on many, many occasions. Lots of ammo, handguns, rifles, etc...all of them changing hands with a smile, a handshake and positive feedback.

Here's my take on the current market, and one I think has yet to be acuurately addressed. We're all essentially enforcing a crude double-standard, crying foul about prices WITHIN our community, but doing something totally different on Armslist / Gunbroker, etc. I've made several deals recently to forum members, all of which were priced fair, much lower than current gouge markets would fetch. I feel like as a member of this community, I owe my brothers the service of a good deal when I'm selling, and I expect a decent deal when I'm buying.

Here's the rub, though...firearms and ammunition are, and always will be a FUTURES market. What an item cost originally has zero impact on what it sells for, because the cost to replace it excludes all other numbers in the formula. If I paid $300 for a case of XM193 a few months ago, I'd be stupid to sell it for the same amount, because it cannot be replaced for even 200% of that cost, if at all.

This translates to the rapid escalation of demand, which outpaces supply, which then leads us...well...here. The world is changing around us, whether we whine about it or not. I'm encouraged to stay inside the bubble, and continue to offer fair prices, where each deal is a win / win. What I won't do is pretend the value of our guns and ammo hasn't changed, because it has.

[VolksDragon]

Lets say I bought a Yenko Camaro in 1969 for $4999...should I magically forget that it's worth $75,000 when I need to sell it?


I didn't think so.

[WETWRKS]

Here is my issue with the current market...I have had 3 sales go south in the last month. At least 2 (neither were on here) are because the seller decided they could sell for more than they agreed on and more than what they were originally asking. I'm sorry...you make a deal you need to hold to it.

I had a deal here on a firearm and I arranged to meet the next evening to pick up the firearm and when I called that day I was told that it had sold on another forum. Personally if someone has agreed to meet and all then you need to pull the item from other sale forums.

[Bailey Guns]

I had a deal here on a firearm and I arranged to meet the next evening to pick up the firearm and when I called that day I was told that it had sold on another forum. Personally if someone has agreed to meet and all then you need to pull the item from other sale forums.

There's a feedback process on this forum for situations like that. You should use it (if you haven't already).

[sroz]

You cry babies are going to sell your houses in 20 years for what you paid for them when you bought em right? If not you're a gouger. Jerks. Fuck.

If we're lucky....[Coffee]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Thats exactly NOT my argument. Nobody scheduled a fucking slaughter of children, it happened and now there are emotions driving both sides of the playing field and there is a scramble to get anything that might be banned in the future.

I have plenty of guns, plenty of ammo and have done my part to write to all legislators who cover me to let them know where they can shove new gun laws.

Fuck "what the market will bear" and don't give me that supply/demand bullshit. I'm a die-hard capitalist and I work in finance, we are the sharks that eat the sharks and you don't have to tell me shit about economics because I have more degrees and designations in that field than anyone here guaranteed. This is supposed to be a community, not a bunch of strangers trying to fuck each other over when the opportunity comes and "you're less prepared that me so now pay for it".

I guess my idealism about this "community" being different than what I do for a living was misplaced. Carry on.

no shit genius... The same jerks who low balled my stripped lower few weeks ago that was selling for a hundred bucks now bitching about the same shit just louder. Obviously, there are tight groups all over CO thanks to this forum... Doesn't mean they should extend their trust to everyone on the forum. Jim just happened to be one of those guys who kept his word and sold a couple lowers for $150 after everything else quadrupled. There are many more great deals going on beyond the trading section.

You sir is a good example why I'm reluctant to deal with noobs.

[ray1970]

I was in need of a couple of items recently that had become scarce and quadrupled in value. All I had to do was ask and I had so many people here step up and offer to help me out by selling me those items at "pre panic" prices that I had to start turning down offers.

They didn't have to do that. They could have sold their items to someone else and made four times as much money for themselves.

There is a core group of guys here who will look out for each other and help each other out.

It's not like everyone here is trying to fuck over everyone else.


Sent without the Tapatalk signature to appease Ah Pook.

[Sharpienads]

I guess he hasn't seen the "Pay it forward" thread yet. Tons of free stuff there available to the entire "community".

[Clint45]

Iwhen you have bought multiple ARs as an "investment" NOW is the time to cash in. That is a LOT different from buying a low priced gun you intend to flip as soon as you get it without even examining or cleaning it at more than double what you just paid for it. There is a guy on armslist who has been buying reasonably priced Smiths and Colts for the past few years, then bumping up the price by at least $100 and reposting the original pic the same day.


No, there isn't a difference...not if someone is willing to pay the price of the flipped gun.

The difference is it is illegal to resell firearms at a profit AS A BUSINESS without a FFL. Flipping one or two guns, fine, but there are a few guys who have been doing this on armslist every couple of weeks for the past few years to supplement their income. I know for a fact that BATF has contacted a couple of the regulars on cologunmarket to see what they were up to, but they just had big collections and were selling a few things off at a fair price. When a guy is buying up low priced saturday night specials and beaters and reselling them at triple price to anyone with cash without any paperwork, that is downright shady. A former member here who was permabanned under at least two different usernames was known for doing that.

[Bailey Guns]

Well, ya know what? I'm not an agent of the BATFE. If someone is conducting an illegal business then, if they're interested, the BATFE can step in and do something or not.

Do you worry about everyone else who breaks the law? What do you do about speeders? Call them in, too?

I'm gonna go out on limb and suggest you're not the person in charge of determining who is and isn't in the business of illegally selling firearms as a business. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and suggest this probably wasn't really an issue for you until recently or until you developed a hard-on for certain sellers because they didn't adhere to your particular ethical standards.

[Great-Kazoo]

The difference is it is illegal to resell firearms at a profit AS A BUSINESS without a FFL. Flipping one or two guns, fine, but there are a few guys who have been doing this on armslist every couple of weeks for the past few years to supplement their income. I know for a fact that BATF has contacted a couple of the regulars on cologunmarket to see what they were up to, but they just had big collections and were selling a few things off at a fair price. When a guy is buying up low priced saturday night specials and beaters and reselling them at triple price to anyone with cash without any paperwork, that is downright shady. A former member here who was permabanned under at least two different usernames was known for doing that.


Clint FWIW: give it a rest all this talk about ILLEGAL and guns makes me wonder exactly what your intentions are. Who are you to decide or judge what someones intentions are? I buy gun A for X find out i don't like it and receive an offer for Y so i can buy Z means i or anyone else is doing something ILLEGAL . I'm smelling a liberal troll

HEY GABE YOU STARTED THIS SHIT I THOUGHT YOU'D BE A MAN AND RESPOND AT LEAST ONCE. Light Weight.

[Squeeze]

I don't like the "panic stricken hype" on sales any more than the next guy here. Problem therein lies with the manufacturers. You can't tell me for one second that when Obuttface was re-elected there wasn't going to be another "OH SHIT, OBASTARD IS GOING TO BAN ALL THE GUNS, AMMO AND MAGAZINES...BUY IT ALL IMMEDIATELY!" scare. The manufacturers should've seen this shit coming and prepared accordingly. Gun shops should've been gearing up their inventory all year IMO too. The manufacturers are shooters just like us and should've known that with the recent Aurora, CO theater shooting the Libtards were going to use that and any other media-hyped gun violence to attack our 2nd Amendment Right. NONE of us should be waiting 8-12 months for a stupid upper receiver for an AR or any other common firearm related part for that matter. If ANYONE has an excuse to hold back production right now it's Noveske. All the others need to light a massive fire under their asses and run production 24/7 as far as I'm concerned. Fucking Magpul should be farting out P-Mags like shit through a Christmas goose (which would also keep the prices on P-Mags where they should be). I just hope & pray all the bullshit calms down and we can get back to business as usual sooner than later. [Bang]

[Bailey Guns]

I don't like the "panic stricken hype" on sales any more than the next guy here. Problem therein lies with the manufacturers. You can't tell me for one second that when Obuttface was re-elected there wasn't going to be another "OH SHIT, OBASTARD IS GOING TO BAN ALL THE GUNS, AMMO AND MAGAZINES...BUY IT ALL IMMEDIATELY!" scare. The manufacturers should've seen this shit coming and prepared accordingly. Gun shops should've been gearing up their inventory all year IMO too. The manufacturers are shooters just like us and should've known that with the recent Aurora, CO theater shooting the Libtards were going to use that and any other media-hyped gun violence to attack our 2nd Amendment Right. NONE of us should be waiting 8-12 months for a stupid upper receiver for an AR or any other common firearm related part for that matter. If ANYONE has an excuse to hold back production right now it's Noveske. All the others need to light a massive fire under their asses and run production 24/7 as far as I'm concerned. Fucking Magpul should be farting out P-Mags like shit through a Christmas goose (which would also keep the prices on P-Mags where they should be). I just hope & pray all the bullshit calms down and we can get back to business as usual sooner than later. [Bang]

Seriously? Do you have any idea how much it costs to manufacture/buy inventory just to sit on it in case something happens that might require you increase manufacturing/inventory?

You could make the same argument that people who didn't have an adequate supply should've bought needed items when they were available, a little at a time, when Obama was elected the first time. But no. A lot of the same knuckleheads that are screaming that they can't get anything are the same knuckleheads who voted for Obama and other anti-gun politicians. Putting blame on manufacturers and retailers is ridiculous.

[c5fourj]

I'm generally pretty reserved when it come to posting, I mean I don't jump in and and say "wish i had the funds" just for a count . But i gotta say I recently posted a 50AE for sale on another site and i was appauled at the amount of "sell it to me for more, and f*** the next guy" offers I got.
My point to this is quit the panic !! we all have the same interest. Don't screw over your fellow shooter for personal gain, join together and fight the Libs. Give to your local clubs or lobbiest if need be. We gotta fight this non-sense as a group, the media woud love to catch us divided.

[Squeeze]

For the record I did NOT vote for Obama or any politicians with his same views. I know, same old argument: "Should've got it while ya coulda". I did (With the exception of my 300 AAC Blackout SBR upper). Call it ridiculous all you want, manufacturers need to be stepping up to the plate to meet high demand as I hold them to the same standard of "Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance". I know sitting on inventory cost money, I do it a lot. But I still break even or come out a little ahead in the end. It's an understanding I have with the business, sometimes reward takes time. Anyone in the firearm sales market has been doing pretty well since Obummer got elected. With the last election regardless who would've won (Romney or Barry) neither one was a strong advocate of the 2nd Amendment. It was a sure shot of making a crap load of money if you had inventory to sit on. Look at all these guys on Gunchoker right now selling P-Mags by the 100's making double & triple what they're normally priced at. You can't tell me they didn't buy those ahead of time with foresight of what was to come. Some people are visionaries, i.e Bill Gates, Steve Jobs. Sometimes greatness requires sacrifice.

[cofi]

For the record I did NOT vote for Obama or any politicians with his same views. I know, same old argument: "Should've got it while ya coulda". I did (With the exception of my 300 AAC Blackout SBR upper). Call it ridiculous all you want, manufacturers need to be stepping up to the plate to meet high demand as I hold them to the same standard of "Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance". I know sitting on inventory cost money, I do it a lot. But I still break even or come out a little ahead in the end. It's an understanding I have with the business, sometimes reward takes time. Anyone in the firearm sales market has been doing pretty well since Obummer got elected. With the last election regardless who would've won (Romney or Barry) neither one was a strong advocate of the 2nd Amendment. It was a sure shot of making a crap load of money if you had inventory to sit on. Look at all these guys on Gunchoker right now selling P-Mags by the 100's making double & triple what they're normally priced at. You can't tell me they didn't buy those ahead of time with foresight of what was to come. Some people are visionaries, i.e Bill Gates, Steve Jobs. Sometimes greatness requires sacrifice.

i tried to get a pmag group buy going on this forum after aurora noone was interested(couldnt get them under 9$).....oh well i bought all im gonna need before the madness

[Bailey Guns]

It's not as easy as just making more guns. You can only do that to a point. After that you have to add machinery, tools, facilities, etc. That costs a lot of money. Especially when you still have all that stuff after demand has subsided. And it will eventually subside. Why do you think Ruger halted taking more orders mid-way through 2012?

I'm pretty sure the guys running the gun companies know what they're doing.

[Sharpienads]

I'm sure every gun manufacturer is cranking out products as fast as possible. Why wouldn't they? They're in it to make money, too. Which apparently is now called "fucking over your buddy".

[sabot_round]

As it has been said here before...It's all about supply and demand. If the demand is high and the supply is low, prices are gonna rise. There is no way in Hell that manufacturers could foresee this coming, and sure as hell your brethren didn't see it coming. No one foreseen all the mass murderers, and no one foreseen the mass murderer shooters. That is something that we all need to deal with. As I struggle to finish my build, I will not put a price on another man's property...the best I can do is make 'em an offer!!

SR

[Sharpienads]

As it has been said here before...It's all about supply and demand. If the demand is high and the supply is low, prices are gonna rise. There is no way in Hell that manufacturers could foresee this coming, and sure as hell your brethren didn't see it coming. No one foreseen all the mass murderers, and no one foreseen the mass murderer shooters. That is something that we all need to deal with. As I struggle to finish my build, I will not put a price on another man's property...the best I can do is make 'em an offer!!

SR

The trick is, what else can we not foresee, and how can we prepare for it so that we don't find ourselves in this situation again? What if it was food instead of guns that everybody was panic buying right now? How many of us would be fucked?

[omegalopez]

no shit genius... The same jerks who low balled my stripped lower few weeks ago that was selling for a hundred bucks now bitching about the same shit just louder. Obviously, there are tight groups all over CO thanks to this forum... Doesn't mean they should extend their trust to everyone on the forum. Jim just happened to be one of those guys who kept his word and sold a couple lowers for $150 after everything else quadrupled. There are many more great deals going on beyond the trading section.

You sir is a good example why I'm reluctant to deal with noobs.
[Beer]

[Bailey Guns]

What if it was food instead of guns that everybody was panic buying right now? How many of us would be fucked?

I'm not sure if my guns would become more or less valuable if I really needed food. Could go either way depending on how hungry I was.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I was in need of a couple of items recently that had become scarce and quadrupled in value. All I had to do was ask and I had so many people here step up and offer to help me out by selling me those items at "pre panic" prices that I had to start turning down offers.

They didn't have to do that. They could have sold their items to someone else and made four times as much money for themselves.

There is a core group of guys here who will look out for each other and help each other out.

It's not like everyone here is trying to fuck over everyone else.


Sent without the Tapatalk signature to appease Ah Pook.

+1

Ray also hooked me with a complete upper for what I thought an extremely good deal even at pre panic price just recently. This kind of thing builds relationship. Bitching and moaning that life is not fair do not.

[bogie]

Seriously? Do you have any idea how much it costs to manufacture/buy inventory just to sit on it in case something happens that might require you increase manufacturing/inventory?

You could make the same argument that people who didn't have an adequate supply should've bought needed items when they were available, a little at a time, when Obama was elected the first time. But no. A lot of the same knuckleheads that are screaming that they can't get anything are the same knuckleheads who voted for Obama and other anti-gun politicians. Putting blame on manufacturers and retailers is ridiculous.


I'm sure every gun manufacturer is cranking out products as fast as possible. Why wouldn't they? They're in it to make money, too. Which apparently is now called "fucking over your buddy".


As it has been said here before...It's all about supply and demand. If the demand is high and the supply is low, prices are gonna rise. There is no way in Hell that manufacturers could foresee this coming, and sure as hell your brethren didn't see it coming. No one foreseen all the mass murderers, and no one foreseen the mass murderer shooters. That is something that we all need to deal with. As I struggle to finish my build, I will not put a price on another man's property...the best I can do is make 'em an offer!!

SR

I'd like to add something to these comments, manufacturing in the US is lacking highly skilled people. This may sound surprising to a lot of folks, but it's true that there is actually a shortage of skilled workers. You can't simply hire a person off the street to run the equipment necessary to manufacture firearms. It's going to take time to hire a skilled person and then train them on operating equipment. Most of the firearms manufactures are likely hesitant to add to their labor pool with the current administration running the ship, especially those that make sporting rifles and magazines, which are about to get banned... Just think about what you're asking before complaining about these companies production capacity.

[Atrain1]

I think the people complaining about the prices are people that either cannot afford one or do not want to pay the money. I also think if the shoe were on the other foot and you were getting 3 times the normal price you would not be complaining. I do not have 2000 for an Ar but I just accept that I did not get one when I should have. Honestly with todays market prices are you saying you would sell your AR for MSRP? Or even just 20% over? I really doubt it.

[Squeeze]

I think the people complaining about the prices are people that either cannot afford one or do not want to pay the money. I also think if the shoe were on the other foot and you were getting 3 times the normal price you would not be complaining. I do not have 2000 for an Ar but I just accept that I did not get one when I should have. Honestly with todays market prices are you saying you would sell your AR for MSRP? Or even just 20% over? I really doubt it.

IF I were in the market to sell my AR, I would do it here on this forum because I find it to be a great group of guys (for the most part) who are hard-working Joe's just like myself who value the real worth of a firearm. I would also NOT sell it for "panic stricken sale prices". I would sell it for what it's true value is. Maybe that's the difference between me & some others. I'm about being fair to my fellow gun enthusiast but maybe it's because I value respect and my good word over simply making big $$$ on a sale because I can.

[XC700116]

I'm sure every gun manufacturer is cranking out products as fast as possible. Why wouldn't they? They're in it to make money, too. Which apparently is now called "fucking over your buddy".

I would have to agree, how many times in life/business do you have virtually guaranteed sales of as much product as you can produce, I'm sure they are all doing everything they can to pump out as much product as possible. Every retailer I've talked to has put in orders for as much as they can of anything that they think they can move.

[Great-Kazoo]

IF I were in the market to sell my AR, I would do it here on this forum because I find it to be a great group of guys (for the most part) who are hard-working Joe's just like myself who value the real worth of a firearm. I would also NOT sell it for "panic stricken sale prices". I would sell it for what it's true value is. Maybe that's the difference between me & some others. I'm about being fair to my fellow gun enthusiast but maybe it's because I value respect and my good word over simply making big $$$ on a sale because I can.

As a few members here can attest i too did the right thing (by a few) HOWEVER at this time i cannot replace anything for what i sell it for, let alone able to resupply from any vendor for unknown time frame. Hell i feel bad quoting prices for shit i have now.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

^^. Yup Jim is good people.

[Timothy]

just when I thought it was safe, they pull me back in

[Atrain1]

IF I were in the market to sell my AR, I would do it here on this forum because I find it to be a great group of guys (for the most part) who are hard-working Joe's just like myself who value the real worth of a firearm. I would also NOT sell it for "panic stricken sale prices". I would sell it for what it's true value is. Maybe that's the difference between me & some others. I'm about being fair to my fellow gun enthusiast but maybe it's because I value respect and my good word over simply making big $$$ on a sale because I can.Supply and demand my friend just look at Kel-Tec PMR30's and if they ever come out with the RMR30 what they are going for. I used to purchase Motorcycles in the winter time for dirt cheap and triple my money in the summer time when everyone wants one, does this make me a shady person? Not in my opinion just making money to take care of my family. Not to much different then what is going on now. My question is why do you want to buy an AR at the worst possible time to buy one? Why did you not get one before when you could still get a DPMS for 600-800 bucks? Looks to me like panic buying which is helping driving up the prices.
.

^^. Yup Jim is good people.I will second that.

[Clint45]

I'm not sure if my guns would become more or less valuable if I really needed food. Could go either way depending on how hungry I was.

Less valuable.

If you're not hurting for cash you can feel free to overprice guns and repost them indefinitely. If you're between jobs and have an unexpected expense like a major car repair, those guns are going to be deeply discounted for quick cash.

With the economy as it's been, two of my former employers closed their doors. Both times I sold off most of my collection to pay bills. As another member said, you can think of your collection as a savings account of sorts.

[Byte Stryke]

I would just like to add...
If anyone here did not see this coming, you have a very short memory and/or are REALLY bad at history

That is all.

[Great-Kazoo]

I would just like to add...
If anyone here did not see this coming, you have a very short memory and/or are REALLY bad at history

That is all.

Or weren't old enough in the 89-94 time period. Imagine how some of the members would deal with a gas/ oil shortage like we had back in 73 then again in 79. They have a melt down if there's a line @ fartbucks. .
It was fun putting a sign on the Bumper of a car saying LAST CAR FOR GAS NO MORE UNTIL TUESDAY. Then sitting on the trunk with a tire iron or at the pump to make sure folks knew there was a 5 gal limit and or, No More Gas now Get out of Line!

[Aloha_Shooter]

IF I were in the market to sell my AR, I would do it here on this forum because I find it to be a great group of guys (for the most part) who are hard-working Joe's just like myself who value the real worth of a firearm. I would also NOT sell it for "panic stricken sale prices". I would sell it for what it's true value is. Maybe that's the difference between me & some others. I'm about being fair to my fellow gun enthusiast but maybe it's because I value respect and my good word over simply making big $$$ on a sale because I can.

The beauty of a free market is that you are able to set whatever price you want. So is everyone else. "True value" as you call it is determined by the intersection of what people are willing to buy for and sell for -- no more, no less. I have benefited personally from people giving me a slight break on a rifle when they knew it was going to be used for Boy Scout training and I and my Scouts appreciate that -- but I don't demand it. I would similarly cut a break to support a cause I approved of but let's face it -- most of us on this forum don't NEED another firearm and there's a big difference between WANT and NEED. Most of the people who NEED one for self-defense don't even know about this forum until meeting a member AFTER going to a gun show or store to get one.

I understand someone's outrage if a seller reneges on a deal because he realized he could get more but we have a feedback forum for that situation. I'm NOT going to get worked up over someone asking for what they think the market will bear under current circumstances because no one is forcing anyone to pay those prices. The gun will sell if someone else thinks the price is reasonable and affordable ... or it won't.

[TS12000]

I may not be a tenured professor of economics at Harvard but even I can see that past prices are irrelevant fuck. Y'all are like the grandma that regales in the memory of nickel talkies. Too bad grandma shit don't cost that much now so deal with it, dont wanna pay? Then don't play and move on.

[buckeye4rnr]

Price gouging is unacceptable for members of this board.





I have one unopened windowed PMAG I'm willing to let go. I'll consider offers of $1000 or more only.

[ChunkyMonkey]

IF I were in the market to sell my AR, I would do it here on this forum because I find it to be a great group of guys (for the most part) who are hard-working Joe's just like myself who value the real worth of a firearm. I would also NOT sell it for "panic stricken sale prices". I would sell it for what it's true value is. Maybe that's the difference between me & some others. I'm about being fair to my fellow gun enthusiast but maybe it's because I value respect and my good word over simply making big $$$ on a sale because I can.

Value = the price buyer willing to pay as simple as that. You want to undervalue your own item, that's great. To call others out because they are able to sell theirs at current market value is something that liberal would do. Noone is telling you sell at higher price. The subject matter is shame on those who tell others what to do.

[mahabali]

Price gouging is unacceptable for members of this board.





I have one unopened windowed PMAG I'm willing to let go. I'll consider offers of $1000 or more only.

There is a guy in the trading post that wants $100 for a pmag and $75 for crappy Brownells mags [hahhah-no]

[Monky]

Still nothing from Gabe..

[brokenscout]

I want a letter from CID saying his AR is good to go,lol

[Great-Kazoo]

Still nothing from Gabe..

of course not. see my other thread i'm starting[blah-blah]