Gun Control Hypothetical

[Inconel710]

Several members have said we need to compromise on the gun control issue. To me, compromise involves both sides giving up something. Not one side demanding everything, then compromising by walking their demands back a little. So, here's my hypothetical question to you.

What if (HUGE IF) in return for registering all semi-autos as Class III weapons, Democrats agreed to allow the purchase of new production full-auto weapons by civilians?

I don't think it would happen, but we keep getting told to compromise. I expect some compromise in return! [M2]

[Kraven251]

[hahhah-no]

[brokenscout]

I personally don't like full autos.. I don't own any guns anyways.. I have a feeling its just going to be different degrees of getting screwed..

[Ronin13]

Good point, compromise does imply that both sides get something out of the deal rather than just one side getting screwed a little less than originally decided... But registration leads to confiscation 100% of the time... so FORK NO!

[Dave_L]

Full auto? LOL. No thanks. I prefer to be able to hit my target.

[newracer]

Here is a compromise that was posted on another forum that I could possibly agree with.

NICS is made available to anyone for free. All firearm transfers have to be run through NICS or a simple form must be filled out and kept by the seller for a period of one year. The form does not have to be submitted to anyone unless it is requested by the police or DA for an official investigation. After one year it can be destroyed. No penalty for loosing the forms unless more than three are lost in the period of one year.

Machine guns remain an NFA item but new ones can be made and sold to civilians/general public. Suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are all removed from the NFA.

[two shoes]

No registration, I have nothing to register after that last kayaking trip.......I couldn't afford to feed a Full Auto.. but I think they should open up for purchase for those so inclined...

[blacklabel]

Yeah, no.

Registration of any kind is a no go.

[two shoes]

Here is a compromise that was posted on another forum that I could possibly agree with.

NICS is made available to anyone for free. All firearm transfers have to be run through NICS or a simple form must be filled out and kept by the seller for a period of one year. The form does not have to be submitted to anyone unless it is requested by the police or DA for an official investigation. After one year it can be destroyed. No penalty for loosing the forms unless more than three are lost in the period of one year.

Machine guns remain an NFA item but new ones can be made and sold to civilians/general public. Suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are all removed from the NFA.

That is borderline agreeable...

[rockhound]

gun control is not about making anyone safer, it is about registering your guns and private sales so they can tax you, if you have to register private sales then they tax the sales price like a used car.

the fact that they now know who has the weapons is just a bonus for when they come for them.

that is all

[CO303]

I still trying to figure out the compromise part. If one side is always giving something up, where's the compromise?

[Zundfolge]

How about this ... they can register my semi autos as NFA items under the following conditions.



All NFA tax stamps are reduced to $5
The registry is re-opened to full auto.
Term limits of two terms (total ... that means two in the house, or two in the senate or one in each or one in either along with only one as president).
Submission of or voting for any bill that is found to violate the constitution is declared Treason ... punishable by public hanging for the author(s) and co-sponsor(s) ... permanent expulsion from office for the voters (along with Felony record and all that entails).
No salary (and thus no pensions) for house or senate. You get free housing, free meals and free transportation to and from DC at the beginning and end of the session. That's it.
After 10 years the NFA and GCA are sunset and all records are publicly burned.


I will not accept any alterations, concessions or compromise on those 6 points.

[wreave]

Here is a compromise that was posted on another forum that I could possibly agree with.

NICS is made available to anyone for free. All firearm transfers have to be run through NICS or a simple form must be filled out and kept by the seller for a period of one year. The form does not have to be submitted to anyone unless it is requested by the police or DA for an official investigation. After one year it can be destroyed. No penalty for loosing the forms unless more than three are lost in the period of one year.

Machine guns remain an NFA item but new ones can be made and sold to civilians/general public. Suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are all removed from the NFA.

This makes a ton of sense. You could make an argument for keeping the form for more than a year, and losing three a year seems pretty reckless at best, but this would be a very reasonable compromise.

[Ronin13]

Here is a compromise that was posted on another forum that I could possibly agree with.

NICS is made available to anyone for free. All firearm transfers have to be run through NICS or a simple form must be filled out and kept by the seller for a period of one year. The form does not have to be submitted to anyone unless it is requested by the police or DA for an official investigation. After one year it can be destroyed. No penalty for loosing the forms unless more than three are lost in the period of one year.

Machine guns remain an NFA item but new ones can be made and sold to civilians/general public. Suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are all removed from the NFA.


That is borderline agreeable...
I'm strangely, somewhat comfortable with that... Basically same way it's done now, it shows you have had the BGC, but there is, other than a supposed BOS (that is what you're saying newracer, right?) held by the seller for 12mos, only extended to private sales, no registration/tax stamp or any other BS? And we can have NFA items removed from the "naughty" list? I could actually go with that...

[newracer]

Yes a BATF form that would be a Bill of Sale that the seller keeps. It would close the proverbial "gun show loophole" that they have a problem with.

[robertcolorado2009]

Ok, I have a very rookie question as I am fairly new to a lot of this. I have been a gun owner, shooter for only one year. (I finally am with a wife(#4, I know, I know...) that was born and raised around guns.) But anyway, when you fill out the form 4473 and a BGC is completed, you have to describe the weapon and give the sn# isn't that "registering" your gun?

[Zundfolge]

Ok, I have a very rookie question as I am fairly new to a lot of this. I have been a gun owner, shooter for only one year. (I finally am with a wife(#4, I know, I know...) that was born and raised around guns.) But anyway, when you fill out the form 4473 and a BGC is completed, you have to describe the weapon and give the sn# isn't that "registering" your gun?

Yes and no (theoretically anyway).

The 4473 stays on file with the FFL and is only accessed by ATF or other law enforcement if there's a problem. The NICS check system destroys the record of the search the next business day (unless you were denied, but even then it gets destroyed soon there after ... details here (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet))

[newracer]

When the background check is submitted they only state if it is a handgun or a rifle, no serial number is submitted. When the check comes back and the purchase is completed the make, model, and serial number is recorded on the form. The dealer keeps the form it is not submitted. In some cases the BATF has gone to dealers and use these forms to find out who purchased a specific firearm. It is a back door registration of sorts.

[butnewa]

I could go with something like this.

My concern would be that Biden and gang would go NFA? You mean we let people have those evil things, well let me just take care of that and add it to the AWB...ooops I meant Gun Safety Act

[buffalobo]

Here is my compromise, repeal NFA '34 and GCA '68. There is no freedom without risk. Guns are not a risk, humans are.

[bogie]

Compromise one freedom at a time and they will eventually take your liberty.

[eadgbe194]

shall not be infringed. period. the only compromise i would consider is not persecuting the traitors who passed the previous laws if they were all repealed. new fully auto suppressed sbr's at fair market value with no tax stamp or registration for everyone.

[Jefe's AR]

Didn't read all the comments so maybe it's already been said.

We HAVE made compromises. Years ago. We compromised on full auto. We compromised on felons and mentally ill loosing their 2nd Amendment rights. We compromised on background checks. We compromised n the 94' AWB w/ sunset.

ALL of those are violations on the 2nd Amendment. There are no IF's or BUT's in the 2nd Amendment. NO right to bear arms if you're not a felon, no but if you're insane, no if you pass a background check. Do those individuals lose their 1st Amendment rights when convicted of a felony or found to be mentally incompetent? No? Why? Why do they lose their 2nd Amendment right? Because WE compromised on 'responsible' gun ownership. I think we're done compromising.

[Bailey Guns]

How about this for a compromise:

Don't fuck with our 2A rights and we MIGHT not vote your dumbass outta office.

[Great-Kazoo]

NO.

Compromising with gun grabbers is like being given a choice in prison
Do you allow us to rape you willingly or by force. Not seeing a win either way.

[BPTactical]

How about this for a compromise:

Don't fuck with our 2A rights and we MIGHT not vote your dumbass outta office.

Simple yet effective.
Mind if it gets pasted to an email or two Carl?

[Bailey Guns]

Knock yourself out, brother.

[sabot_round]

How about this for a compromise:

Don't fuck with our 2A rights and we MIGHT not vote your dumbass outta office.

I second this motion!!

[Inconel710]

How about this for a compromise:

Don't fuck with our 2A rights and we MIGHT not vote your dumbass outta office.

That's definitely how I feel, but we've been unable vote these people out so far. I only asked the question to gauge the mood.

[roberth]

I voted !HELL NO! I should be able to go to MGT and buy an select fire gun any time I want...and take it home the very second after I buy it, same for cans and SBR/SBS.

[UrbanWolf]

The gov't won't allow full-autos back into production... If they say it it's just a lie.

[TS12000]

The gov't won't allow full-autos back into production... If they say it it's just a lie.

Exactly, not the best record on the whole truth and transparency thing

[husky390]

No registering firearms of any sort. Even though I'm down to just an old ass Stevens .22 bolt tube feed which acts like a single shot since it wont feed right half the time, I shouldn't have to register it.

[Ronin13]

NO.

Compromising with gun grabbers is like being given a choice in prison
Do you allow us to rape you willingly or by force. Not seeing a win either way.
Can't think of a better way to put it... either way some shit's getting pushed in. I say the best compromise ever I heard today was "The only compromise we can say is if you back down from trying to limit our rights, we MAY come to your aid if some criminal is trying to hurt you. Otherwise, call 911 and good luck!"

[merl]

so would you give up "all transfers must go through a FFL" for re-opening the registry? (With the requirement that should the registry close again F2F transfers no longer need a FFL)

That one is a tougher question and I'd probably take it.

What would you compromise on to re-open the registry?

[Kraven251]

...registration, confiscation, incarceration, incineration [soap]

[Inconel710]

so would you give up "all transfers must go through a FFL" for re-opening the registry? (With the requirement that should the registry close again F2F transfers no longer need a FFL)

That one is a tougher question and I'd probably take it.

What would you compromise on to re-open the registry?

On the background check issue, I'd probably go along with putting everything through an FFL, so long as the rest of the system doesn't change and we get something in return. 4473's stay with the FFL and there's no de facto gun database created. I don't see them giving us anything in return though.

[husky390]

10 to 1 say's if they require every sale (including private) to go through a 4473 there will be a tax on the transaction. That's why they want it so bad. I'd almost go as far as saying they want this for the revenue more than knowing what you buy. Just look at how we get f*cked here when buying and registering a used car here in CO that was purchased via a private sale. It's bullshit.

[generalmeow]

Me: give me a million dollars
you: no
me: ok, then let's compromise. $500k. Aw, what the heck. $400k.
you: sweet