wreave
01-10-2013, 16:30
Barry is the liberal Gazette columnist, but is generally a pretty good guy. However, this exchange on Facebook takes the cake:
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(commenter) First, Barry, no matter who said it, you seem to be caught up in the mythical sporting/hunting clause in the second amendment. Second, can you give an example of a form of ammunition that is legal now, that should be restricted?
Barry: The Second Amendment isn't absolute and neither are any of the other amendments.That's why there is a debate.
(commenter) Barry, still wondering what forms of ammunition that are legal now you think should be banned? I assume you already know that this was in a signing statement by Reagan on a bill to ban "armor piercing" ammo.
(Barry's cousin Patrick) The issue is not specifically a consideration of ammunition if ammunition is defined strictly as bullets or rounds, but rather in terms of high ammunition cartridges and magazines. About the only thing I agreed with Reagan on was the ban on teflon coated armor piercing rounds. But the sentiments apply equally to these expanded clips and magazines that have no other use than an assault. I grew up in a hunting culture and was always taught if you can't bring the animal down with one shot you shouldn't be out there in the first place. I know a hunter who uses a 30 round clip to go after anything. There is simply no justification for it and they should be banned.
Barry: My cousin Patrick Herron (https://www.facebook.com/patrick.herron.142) just put in pretty good words. No need for me to repeat it. I grew up in the Montana hunting culture too. No one had Taxi Driver fantasies then, unlike these guys today who like to pose for pictures with their weapons.
(commenter) Still looking for the hunting clause in the Second Amendment. It's probably right next to the Internet clause in the First? Regarding standard capacity magazines, one particular challenge in restricting them is that those who want them still get them. An arbitrary limit of 10 rounds was in place for the 94 ban, and it did nothing. Zero impact. Do we want feel-good measures, or do we want to take actions that could actually do something?
Barry: Still looking for the clause that says you can have an assault rifle.
(commenter) "Assault rifle" is a term that doesn't mean anything. There is no fundamental difference between an AR-15 (the most popular rifle in the USA) and any other semi-automatic rifle. Things that make it look scary don't make it inherently bad. But if you're looking for that clause, it reads like this: "Shall not be infringed."
Barry: You and I both agree the 2nd amendment is not absolute, so just forget the "shall not be infringed" thing.
[Bang]
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(commenter) First, Barry, no matter who said it, you seem to be caught up in the mythical sporting/hunting clause in the second amendment. Second, can you give an example of a form of ammunition that is legal now, that should be restricted?
Barry: The Second Amendment isn't absolute and neither are any of the other amendments.That's why there is a debate.
(commenter) Barry, still wondering what forms of ammunition that are legal now you think should be banned? I assume you already know that this was in a signing statement by Reagan on a bill to ban "armor piercing" ammo.
(Barry's cousin Patrick) The issue is not specifically a consideration of ammunition if ammunition is defined strictly as bullets or rounds, but rather in terms of high ammunition cartridges and magazines. About the only thing I agreed with Reagan on was the ban on teflon coated armor piercing rounds. But the sentiments apply equally to these expanded clips and magazines that have no other use than an assault. I grew up in a hunting culture and was always taught if you can't bring the animal down with one shot you shouldn't be out there in the first place. I know a hunter who uses a 30 round clip to go after anything. There is simply no justification for it and they should be banned.
Barry: My cousin Patrick Herron (https://www.facebook.com/patrick.herron.142) just put in pretty good words. No need for me to repeat it. I grew up in the Montana hunting culture too. No one had Taxi Driver fantasies then, unlike these guys today who like to pose for pictures with their weapons.
(commenter) Still looking for the hunting clause in the Second Amendment. It's probably right next to the Internet clause in the First? Regarding standard capacity magazines, one particular challenge in restricting them is that those who want them still get them. An arbitrary limit of 10 rounds was in place for the 94 ban, and it did nothing. Zero impact. Do we want feel-good measures, or do we want to take actions that could actually do something?
Barry: Still looking for the clause that says you can have an assault rifle.
(commenter) "Assault rifle" is a term that doesn't mean anything. There is no fundamental difference between an AR-15 (the most popular rifle in the USA) and any other semi-automatic rifle. Things that make it look scary don't make it inherently bad. But if you're looking for that clause, it reads like this: "Shall not be infringed."
Barry: You and I both agree the 2nd amendment is not absolute, so just forget the "shall not be infringed" thing.
[Bang]