A serious question about the 2nd Amendment.

[Melvin]

Is there any documented evidence of where Americans have ever literally used the 2nd Amendment to defend the 2nd Amendment against an over reaching govt. State or Federal?

[brokenscout]

RAndy Weaver, Waco.. probably a lot more that the news has twisted

[HBARleatherneck]

maybe the civil war?

but, it definetly should have been used in December of 1913.

[brokenscout]

1865 is when the Country started its fall
maybe the civil war?

but, it definetly should have been used in December of 1913.

[Zundfolge]

The Battle of Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29) (Tennessee, not Greece)

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[brokenscout]

LOL, that's funny,, here's 1 more..
brokenscout is the devil. his post count is the mark of the beast upside down. you are scary.

[Zundfolge]

1865 is when the Country started its fall

Some could actually argue 1791 (Whiskey Rebellion) ... but I'm with HBARleatherneck, 1913 was the true "beginning of the end".

[Melvin]

The Battle of Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29) (Tennessee, not Greece)

Wasn't that about vote fraud?

[Zundfolge]

Wasn't that about vote fraud?

Yes, but it was a clear cut example of Americans using the 2nd Amendment to fight government tyranny ... if you're looking for an armed rebellion against gun control, I don't think there is anything. Yet (but hey, Obozo's second term hasn't even officially started yet).

[HBARleatherneck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

1913 Fed was created. Terrible day, and terrible results to this day.

[Ronin13]

Wasn't that about vote fraud?
Yep, and oh look, BHO did the same thing (you can't deny it)... where is the subsequent DOJ avoiding the investigation? And where are the people screaming foul play on the Obummer Administration?

[Byte Stryke]

Wasn't that about vote fraud?

That was about a tyrannical and oppressive government overstepping their bounds and infringing on the rights of the people.

[theGinsue]

1913? Is this because this is when the nternal Revenue Service begins to levy & collect income taxes?

[blacklabel]

That was about a tyrannical and oppressive government overstepping their bounds and infringing on the rights of the people.

Sounds familiar.

[Melvin]

I must confess this was not my question. It was posed to me by a friend in Australia who sits in frustration diligently following what he calls our "complacent decent into subjugation". Having lived through a mindless gun grab over there, he is very sensitive about this subject. I told him not to worry. One day the light will go on. ( I hope)

[blacklabel]

The second amendment's purpose is to allow us to defend ourselves against tyranny of all kinds, not just being disarmed.

[Melvin]

The second amendment's purpose is to allow us to defend ourselves against tyranny of all kinds, not just being disarmed.

I know that. That was not the question. The reason for the question was if you are not willing to defend the very thing that affords you the tools to defend all else, doesn't that render you defenseless? You see The Founding Fathers were wise enough to recognize the perfidy that is inherent in the nature of man. Thus they realized there was only one way to keep the playing field reasonably level. However there was absolutely no way for them to ever conceive of a day in the future where unborn generations would shrink from the job of defending the country from the enemy within. They could legislate much, but intestinal fortitude was not on that list. I know of no other country where citizens have been handed on a platter a set of guaranteed rights and method to defend those rights yet all they want to do is talk it to death. In the entire history of mankind, no tyranny has ever been talked into defeat.

[josh7328]

Damn well said.
I know that. That was not the question. The reason for the question was if you are not willing to defend the very thing that affords you the tools to defend all else, doesn't that render you defenseless? You see The Founding Fathers were wise enough to recognize the perfidy that is inherent in the nature of man. Thus they realized there was only one way to keep the playing field reasonably level. However there was absolutely no way for them to ever conceive of a day in the future where unborn generations would shrink from the job of defending the country from the enemy within. They could legislate much, but intestinal fortitude was not on that list. I know of no other country where citizens have been handed on a platter a set of guaranteed rights and method to defend those rights yet all they want to do is talk it to death. In the entire history of mankind, no tyranny has ever been talked into defeat.

[spqrzilla]

The Battle of Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29) (Tennessee, not Greece)
This is the answer to the OP.

[Ridge]

Yep, and oh look, BHO did the same thing (you can't deny it)... where is the subsequent DOJ avoiding the investigation? And where are the people screaming foul play on the Obummer Administration?

Care to share the voter fraud? I don't like the guy either, but I try to deal in facts.

[Clint45]

Is there any documented evidence of where Americans have ever literally used the 2nd Amendment to defend the 2nd Amendment against an over reaching govt. State or Federal?

Yes. The 2nd Amendment is frequently cited in New York gun law cases, but it is always rejected by their courts as a valid defense.

[mitch]

Care to share the voter fraud? I don't like the guy either, but I try to deal in facts.

There are lots of cases on both sides.

http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

[Melvin]

This is the answer to the OP.

The battle was about political corruption on various levels including voter fraud. However it had nothing to do with the infringement of 2nd Amendment rights

Battle of Athens (1946)

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Padlock-silver.svg/20px-Padlock-silver.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#semi)


Battle of Athens




Date
August 1–2, 1946


Location
Athens, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Tennessee), United States
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png35.442°N 84.592°W (http://toolserver.org/%7Egeohack/geohack.php?pagename=Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29&params=35.442_N_-84.592_E_)Coordinates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_system): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png35.442°N 84.592°W (http://toolserver.org/%7Egeohack/geohack.php?pagename=Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29&params=35.442_N_-84.592_E_)


Result
McMinn County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn_County,_Tennessee) government forced to disband, replaced by new government





Belligerents


Local World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) veterans and other citizens
McMinn County Sheriff's Department


Commanders and leaders


Various GIs (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/GI)
Sheriff Pat Mansfield, Paul Cantrell


Strength




Dozens of men
3 M1 Garand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand) rifles
5 M1911 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol) pistols
24 M1917 Enfield rifles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Enfield_rifle)
Other guns
Dynamite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite)




100+ deputies
One Thompson submachine gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gun)
Issued pistols




Casualties and losses


Some injuries, no fatalities
Some injuries, no fatalities


The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion) led by citizens in Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Tennessee) and Etowah, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etowah,_Tennessee), United States, against the local government in August 1946. The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of political corruption and voter intimidation. The event is sometimes cited by firearms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm) ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) in combating tyranny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny).[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

[Madeinhb]

The 2nd amendment was added because our founding fathers knew what government could do. That's why they made it.

[Melvin]

The 2nd is about balance. How about whatever they ban from the citizens is also removed from every law enforcement agency arsenal across the country. Fed, state local. I can hear the hypocrite rats squealing already.

[Dalendenver]

Care to share the voter fraud? I don't like the guy either, but I try to deal in facts.

There were 59 precincts across the nation where there was not a single vote cast for anyone except obummer. You may believe that was legitimate but I don't. Here in Aurora you can now vote at any precinct, not just the one you live in. The Dems bussed people to that poll where Hickenlooper, Bennet and another person I don't recall fed them pizza and soda. The city had expected 1500 voters and got over 7000 at that location. The city is 30 percent black but that location had 70% black voters in Nov.

[Irving]

I know that. That was not the question. The reason for the question was if you are not willing to defend the very thing that affords you the tools to defend all else, doesn't that render you defenseless? You see The Founding Fathers were wise enough to recognize the perfidy that is inherent in the nature of man. Thus they realized there was only one way to keep the playing field reasonably level. However there was absolutely no way for them to ever conceive of a day in the future where unborn generations would shrink from the job of defending the country from the enemy within. They could legislate much, but intestinal fortitude was not on that list. I know of no other country where citizens have been handed on a platter a set of guaranteed rights and method to defend those rights yet all they want to do is talk it to death. In the entire history of mankind, no tyranny has ever been talked into defeat.

I don't understand how you can be right on the mark with this statement, then come off as near brain dead in your very next comment.

[spqrzilla]

I guess we are getting some odd new members lately.

[Melvin]

I don't understand how you can be right on the mark with this statement, then come off as near brain dead in your very next comment.

Could you quote the comment to which you refer. Is it within this thread or another?
Thanks