View Full Version : Ford, Dodge, Chevy....GO!!
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 19:06
Lets argue about something other than politics!
In the market for a new diesel. I own a 2500 GMC.
Ready.........GO!
Shootersfab
01-11-2013, 19:08
Keep In mind he is a bitch...................
Slapps74
01-11-2013, 19:09
Haha! They are all pretty good anymore no matter who builds them.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 19:10
Keep In mind he is a bitch...................
So im buying a Dodge then......
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Toyota, if you want something "American made" [LOL]
I'd rather be cummin then strokin!
Buy this
http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/3519658791.html
Toyota, if you want something "American made" [LOL]
And the 25% profit goes where?
I have had a chevy and a gmc both with the duramax, I now have a ram with the h.o. cummins. if you want top end power go with the gm, if you want a smooth ride, longevity and a much nicer interior go ram. I have steered clear of the ford main reason being a cheesy interior, and after the warranty is over any motor work requires the cab to be lifted off and a $1200.00 minimum bill. but in the the end ford out powers them all, and has the best transmission, the new 2013 ram is going to have more power and a better ride, as well as a new trans. it is not out yet but is due any day. if you want interior room the ram mega cab is the winner hands down.
BushMasterBoy
01-11-2013, 19:21
I want a truck that runs a Cummin 4bt diesel. Why can't we get a small diesel truck in the US? Oops , forgot ..no politics
Only the Cummins will go the distance. Cat in the big Fords may still be an option.
Autocorrect courtesy of droid using tapatalk
Walker2970
01-11-2013, 19:36
The biggest baddest lowdown mofo around town
19131
Ford Yeti
Diesel24
01-11-2013, 19:43
I've been a Duramax fan for quite some time and currently own one so of course of going to be a little biased. But honestly it all depends on what your looking for....Are you planning on buying one off the lot or used? If your wanting one off the lot honestly of the "big three" diesels, any one of them are going to be nice trucks no doubt about it, if used some years are better than others depending on the model.
And the 25% profit goes where?
I'd rather pay American workers and have the profit go overseas than pay Mexican workers and have the company getting bailed out with more of my money.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 19:46
I have had a chevy and a gmc both with the duramax, I now have a ram with the h.o. cummins. if you want top end power go with the gm, if you want a smooth ride, longevity and a much nicer interior go ram. I have steered clear of the ford main reason being a cheesy interior, and after the warranty is over any motor work requires the cab to be lifted off and a $1200.00 minimum bill. but in the the end ford out powers them all, and has the best transmission, the new 2013 ram is going to have more power and a better ride, as well as a new trans. it is not out yet but is due any day. if you want interior room the ram mega cab is the winner hands down.
IMHO, Chevy interior sucks ass. New Ford interior is nicer.
As mentioned I own a GMC, cant afford a new one!! [facepalm]
I've been a Duramax fan for quite some time and currently own one so of course of going to be a little biased. But honestly it all depends on what your looking for....Are you planning on buying one off the lot or used? If your wanting one off the lot honestly of the "big three" diesels, any one of them are going to be nice trucks no doubt about it, if used some years are better than others depending on the model.
That being said run away from any ford with the 6.0 powerstroke .
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-11-2013, 19:50
I have 325000 miles on my 93 d350 and it still gets 18 mpg and does everything I ask of it. Why are you getting rid of the dirtymax
tmleadr03
01-11-2013, 19:52
I'd rather pay American workers and have the profit go overseas than pay Mexican workers and have the company getting bailed out with more of my money.
that's why he should buy an x5 diesel made in America by Americans.
Dodge? You mean Fiat, don't you?
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-11-2013, 19:54
that's why he should buy an x5 diesel made in America by Americans.
He wants a TRUCK not a fluffy foo foo soccer mom car
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 20:22
So in the new Dodges.....
1 tons have roughly 6k lbs less towing capacity...anyone want to explain???
I'm looking new....2012 stills on the lots....
I have a 2006 Nissan Titan with 44,000 miles that I'm willing to sell for the right price. It's an AMAZING truck.
Selling for the 6.4L FORD.
After careful consideration and going back and forth, I can't get over the fact that the 5.9L is wrapped around a nickel and dime you to death dodge.
silentshooter
01-11-2013, 20:25
FORD all the way, the F150 with ecoboost is a monster. Hope they release the raptor wit an ecoboost option.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 20:25
I'm avoiding "made in 'Mercia" cause everything is made in Mexico or china. Don't matter where it is "assembled".
tmleadr03
01-11-2013, 20:29
He wants a TRUCK not a fluffy foo foo soccer mom car
Passed a lot of TRUCKS on the road in my x5 tonight. I had no issues, trucks were spinning their wheels.
max trailer tow weight of the big three, toyota and just for laughs the x5 diesel are below.
2013 ford, chevy- 23,100#
2013 ram- 30,000#
2013 toyota tundra- 8,100#
2013 x5 diesel- 6,000#
http://www.allpar.com/trucks/ram/2013-heavy-duty-pickups.html
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x5/2013/features-specs.html?style=&sub=
http://www.toyota.com/tundra/specs.html
Dodge: best engine, junk tranny and axle
Chevy/GMC: Good engine, best tranny, good axle
Ford: a lot of people like them
Diesel24
01-11-2013, 20:35
That being said run away from any ford with the 6.0 powerstroke .
Couldn't agree more!
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 20:41
http://www.dieselhub.com/tech/2012-diesel-buyers-guide.html
Diesel24
01-11-2013, 20:42
The best advise I can give without being completely biased is to test drive each one and see what YOU like. Like I said any of the newer models of the big 3 diesels are going to be good trucks, just depends on what your looking for really, each have their differences.
RCCrawler
01-11-2013, 20:44
My step brother builds Ford trucks, with cummins motors, and Allison trannys and has a waiting list of people lined up to have them done. That way you get the best of all 3.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 20:44
The best advise I can give without being completely biased is to test drive each one and see what YOU like. Like I said any of the newer models of the big 3 diesels are going to be good trucks, just depends on what your looking for really, each have their differences.
100% agree.
Just sick of the politics lately so I thought I get a good knuckle discussion going!!!
Diesel24
01-11-2013, 20:48
100% agree.
Just sick of the politics lately so I thought I get a good knuckle discussion going!!!
Agreed, I'ts a nice change of discussion. Plus diesels are one of my hobbies so it's perfect.
http://www.dieselhub.com/tech/2012-diesel-buyers-guide.html
2012 Dodge doesn't take DEF, that a plus for it.
100% agree.
Just sick of the politics lately so I thought I get a good knuckle discussion going!!!
they are all so good anymore that it is hard to start an argument over which one is better. I needed interior space so that is why I went with the ram, and the heaviest trailer I tow is well under what any of them can handle so that did not even come into play in my decision.
2012 Dodge doesn't take DEF, that a plus for it.
and if you buy a h&s programmer before the current stock sells out it wont have dpf either( not to mention a 4-6 mpg gain). but they got busted by the epa and their programmers are selling out quick.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 20:57
So here's the gig....
ford right now is 10k off list for 2012
Dodge is 9k off list.
chev, close but can't get all the bells and whistles. Pretty basic.
Ford and dodge I can get a 1 ton for the cost of a 3/4 from chev
sooooo.........
should I buy a 1 ton and be done or........
So here's the gig....
ford right now is 10k off list for 2012
Dodge is 9k off list.
chev, close but can't get all the bells and whistles. Pretty basic.
Ford and dodge I can get a 1 ton for the cost of a 3/4 from chev
sooooo.........
should I buy a 1 ton and be done or........
unless you haul a 5th wheel I would stay with the 2500 it rides smoother and will be cheaper on insurance, check pricing with dave smith and see if your dealer will price match them if they are cheaper, mine did after I calld their bluff and told them I would go up there to get one instead and I saved an extra $3,000
http://www.davesmith.com/index.htm
Diesel24
01-11-2013, 21:14
unless you haul a 5th wheel I would stay with the 2500 it rides smoother and will be cheaper on insurance, check pricing with dave smith and see if your dealer will price match them if they are cheaper, mine did after I calld their bluff and told them I would go up there to get one instead and I saved an extra $3,000
http://www.davesmith.com/index.htm
I would have to go with this as well, what are your needs with this truck? If a 2500 will meet them i would just go with that, it will be cheaper.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 21:18
unless you haul a 5th wheel I would stay with the 2500 it rides smoother and will be cheaper on insurance, check pricing with dave smith and see if your dealer will price match them if they are cheaper, mine did after I calld their bluff and told them I would go up there to get one instead and I saved an extra $3,000
http://www.davesmith.com/index.htm
Will do!
I'm also planning on biz growth! So if it things keep going I may be planning on a bigger trailer.
Pulling a 30ft enclosed (deck length) tag right now. High ceilings. She is 5200lbs.
30 ft don't get much for cars in her. (street/hot rods)
unless you haul a 5th wheel I would stay with the 2500 it rides smoother and will be cheaper on insurance, check pricing with dave smith and see if your dealer will price match them if they are cheaper, mine did after I calld their bluff and told them I would go up there to get one instead and I saved an extra $3,000
http://www.davesmith.com/index.htm
In 2004/2005, the Difference between a Dodge 2500 and 3500 was three things. A single leaf overload spring/stop, an emblem, and a GVWR door sticker. Period. That does not make one ride rougher than the other.
Also in 2005, the Dodge used the same axles as Duramax, so I guess they're all junk. Haven't shopped one since I bought my 2004.5 so I can't say what axles are in them now, but any blanket statements, just like gun facts, should be taken with a grain of salt and factor into your own research.
hollohas
01-11-2013, 21:47
Using your own link, the Tundra shows 10,400 lbs.
The others are a different class of truck.
max trailer tow weight of the big three, toyota and just for laughs the x5 diesel are below.
2013 ford, chevy- 23,100#
2013 ram- 30,000#
2013 toyota tundra- 8,100#
2013 x5 diesel- 6,000#
http://www.allpar.com/trucks/ram/2013-heavy-duty-pickups.html
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x5/2013/features-specs.html?style=&sub=
http://www.toyota.com/tundra/specs.html
hollohas
01-11-2013, 21:50
Don't forget, they are required to report the amount of domestic sourced parts as well as where they are assembled. Nothing will have 100% domestic sourced parts but you can at least compare what has more.
I'm avoiding "made in 'Mercia" cause everything is made in Mexico or china. Don't matter where it is "assembled".
hollohas
01-11-2013, 22:01
I spent some time in a 2500 HD recently and came to really like it. Didn't pull anything, just tooled around AK. Nice ride. Nice interior and I like the looks.
A different class than a diesel, but I have a Tundra and love it. With the tow package it can pull some shit with ease.
Using your own link, the Tundra shows 10,400 lbs.
The others are a different class of truck.
it was just thrown in there for shits and giggles because it was mentioned just like the x5, the op wanted info on a truck that could haul a real trailer anyway, so that puts them both out of the running.[Flower]
tmleadr03
01-11-2013, 22:07
This is the best way to buy a vehicle. Figure out the vehicle you want. All the bells and whistles you want and everything. Then email all the dealerships in the area stating that 1 you will be buying in x amount of time 2 you want x vehicle with y options 3 one of the dealers on the email list will be getting your business if they can beat out the rest on the price.
Make sure you CC everyone, not blind CC. You need to make sure hey see you emailed the other dealerships. Also make sure you email a person. Typically each dealer will have an "internet" salesman.
Or just search autotrader.com nation wide and fly and bring it back over a weekend. Super easy.
don't forget to budget in plates, they will be north of $1k. mine were $1174.00 the first year.
hollohas
01-11-2013, 22:14
Oh my, that sucks.
don't forget to budget in plates, they will be north of $1k. mine were $1174.00 the first year.
tmleadr03
01-11-2013, 22:16
Oh my, that sucks.
It cost 1300 for me to register and plate my work truck. I just about cried.
Tinelement
01-11-2013, 22:34
don't forget to budget in plates, they will be north of $1k. mine were $1174.00 the first year.
Oh yeah!!
Part of the fun right!?? [ROFL2]
JMBD2112
01-11-2013, 22:41
Get another duramax, period. dodge is next runner up. Don't even consider a powerjoke...powersmoke or whatever you want to call it. I'm a GM tech that used to work on diesels, USED TO is the key words in that sentence. Besides the ocassional head gaskets on the 2 and D motors (2004.5-2006) and a couple injetors here and there they just don't break.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-11-2013, 23:50
Have you seen the larimie longhorn package that thing is badass just as nice as the king ranch if not nicer and if you got a megacab you could show us some more of your awesome skills and do a megacab long bed
DangerLee_Industries
01-12-2013, 00:36
Emissions standards changed in 07 for diesels and it's killing the motors. When I retire my 99 Cummins I'll be looking for an 04.5 to early 07 Cummins with the 5.9. If you are a Ford guy be sure to get the 7.3 they are tanks. 8 out of 10 trucks in our shop on a daily basis are Ford's with the 6.0 because the EGR coolers fail. Depending on what it takes out with it you are looking at anywhere between 2,500 to 6,500 in repairs. This is not in high mileage trucks either, it's common anywhere from 40 - 90k. If you are a Chevy guy the same as the Dodge I'd do an 04.5 to early 07. They are rarely in the shop but when they are it's pricey due to engine bay space.... JMBD2112 can probably attest to this that you are pulling the cab to do even the simplest of job like head gaskets. Happy hunting........[Ban1]
And the 25% profit goes where?
Oh I know it goes to Japan. But , at least you aren't giving money to the uaw
DavieD55
01-12-2013, 00:41
Ford.
silentshooter
01-12-2013, 00:42
I'll stick for the new ford ecoboost gas engines over the new diesels. If diesel was cheap again, I might consider it but the eco boost has plenty of tow capacity great gas mileage and like a diesel, a little tuning and bolt on mods make even more power & TQ.
silentshooter
01-12-2013, 00:44
It cost 1300 for me to register and plate my work truck. I just about cried.
I almost had a heart attack last year when I looked at getting a Lotus Evora. The Registration tax here is insane. In FL I pay under $200 for a 2 yr registration and we have no emissions & no inspection. You just ned a vin to get a tag. Which is why I will be keeping my FL registrations even for new cars
Honestly, all 3 of the new diesels are badass. I own a 2009 dodge 3500. And I just bought a 2010 F250. I can't tell which one i like more yet.
if you are going to keep it stock the new fords have a ton of power and yank trailers around with ease. So do the others, but when I towed with a 2012 ford. I was surprised at how little throttle I had to use to get a 6000 pound trailer upto speed. And I'm not talking about slowly accelerating, the thing flat out wanted to rip the tongue off of the trailer.
Like others have said. Go test drive them all and that will help with your decision.
Your GMC is cool. Why are you getting rid of it? Racking up miles?
GlockDog47
01-12-2013, 08:17
Gmc of Crouse
encorehunter
01-12-2013, 09:16
I love my 04.5 GMC Duramax which has around 128K. Watch out for the transfer case clip that breaks and cost you $2400 for a new transfer case. If I were to buy a new one, I think I would go with a Ford. Just a personal thing, but they didn't take the handout like the others did. They apparently know how to manage money. A few of my friends have picked up the 2012 Powerstroke's and are really liking them. Most don't have more than 10K miles on them, but so far so good.
http://youtu.be/TddmcIsWkFw
http://youtu.be/bev8khM-2xQ
JMBD2112
01-12-2013, 09:38
Emissions standards changed in 07 for diesels and it's killing the motors. When I retire my 99 Cummins I'll be looking for an 04.5 to early 07 Cummins with the 5.9. If you are a Ford guy be sure to get the 7.3 they are tanks. 8 out of 10 trucks in our shop on a daily basis are Ford's with the 6.0 because the EGR coolers fail. Depending on what it takes out with it you are looking at anywhere between 2,500 to 6,500 in repairs. This is not in high mileage trucks either, it's common anywhere from 40 - 90k. If you are a Chevy guy the same as the Dodge I'd do an 04.5 to early 07. They are rarely in the shop but when they are it's pricey due to engine bay space.... JMBD2112 can probably attest to this that you are pulling the cab to do even the simplest of job like head gaskets. Happy hunting........[Ban1]
I love me some 33 hour head gaskets!!!! [Beer]
Emissions standards changed in 07 for diesels and it's killing the motors. When I retire my 99 Cummins I'll be looking for an 04.5 to early 07 Cummins with the 5.9. If you are a Ford guy be sure to get the 7.3 they are tanks. 8 out of 10 trucks in our shop on a daily basis are Ford's with the 6.0 because the EGR coolers fail. Depending on what it takes out with it you are looking at anywhere between 2,500 to 6,500 in repairs. This is not in high mileage trucks either, it's common anywhere from 40 - 90k. If you are a Chevy guy the same as the Dodge I'd do an 04.5 to early 07. They are rarely in the shop but when they are it's pricey due to engine bay space.... JMBD2112 can probably attest to this that you are pulling the cab to do even the simplest of job like head gaskets. Happy hunting........[Ban1]
which is exactly why I have a nice pile of cats, dpf filters, and even an egr cooler, all with less than 500 miles on them in my garage, it seems every time I buy a new diesel I hit a bump on the way home and the exhaust just falls off?[shit-happens]
jreifsch80
01-12-2013, 10:53
The cummins is a medium duty diesel while the duramax and powerstrokes are both light duty that means longer intervals between rebuilds with a cummins also the inline 6 design builds more low rpm torque which is what you want with a diesel you use for work, cummins can be great for hot rods too if you're buying one more for fun
JMBD2112
01-12-2013, 12:08
The cummins is a medium duty diesel while the duramax and powerstrokes are both light duty that means longer intervals between rebuilds with a cummins also the inline 6 design builds more low rpm torque which is what you want with a diesel you use for work, cummins can be great for hot rods too if you're buying one more for fun
I agree with you that you can derive more torque from a 6bt, but thats all. i've seen quite a few duramax trucks at the 500k mark. its all about the maintanence. Saw an 07 two weeks ago where the guy was a parts driver and was driving from grand junction and back everyday and was getting an oil change every week. The truck had 620k on it and ran like a top. If you really want some power I have buddies that do the twin CP3 setups, turbos, trannys, and tunes. And i've been up with them on test and tunes and truck fest. A 10 second duramax is pretty impressive especially moving 9000lbs down the track that fast.
Diesel you say? If I know you the way I think I do... you're going to LOVE my suggestion....
Wait for it.......
Wait for it.........
Boom!
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/09/81RabbitDiesel-RH_Frt-500px.jpg
...that just happened.
When can I go for a ride in that classic?
ChunkyMonkey
01-12-2013, 21:20
I still say you should have gone with glock 19.
nzachman
01-12-2013, 21:23
On my second Z71 Chevy Tahoe, I've had them over many of Colorado's Mountain Passes.19227
Lets throw in the straight front axle argument that for some unexplained reason hasn't came up. The Chevy/GMC has a weak IFS front end.
I really love my cushy weak IFS since 99% of the miles on my trucks are on road.
nzachman
01-12-2013, 21:33
Here is a shot of my old 19229stock 2000 Z71 dropping off Black Bear Pass.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-13-2013, 09:20
On my second Z71 Chevy Tahoe, I've had them over many of Colorado's Mountain Passes.19227
does it have a duramax? Cause we are talking about diesels.
does it have a duramax? Cause we are talking about diesels.
No shit. Based on the thread title I was closer.
Tinelement
01-15-2013, 22:06
does it have a duramax? Cause we are talking about diesels.
If I were talking about Gassers, it would be Ridgeline hands down!!
[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
RonMexico
01-15-2013, 22:10
Lets argue about something other than politics!
In the market for a new diesel. I own a 2500 GMC.
Ready.........GO!
How many pmags do you want for your truck?
I am a true chevy fanboy. new truck every 1-2 years. I don't have a need for a diesel, although I want one anyways. what keeps me from having one is garage space. I am not really partial to which dealer I work with...I get the best deal no matter where I go. the only thing that matters is if I trade in or sell outright.
I do love the looks of the ford 250 and 350. interiors are what get me though. while it seems like more plastic in the chevy, the interior in much much better and more comfortable. I don't want to sit on a rock for hours on end while heading out hunting or going in the mountains or pulling the atvs...no thanks.
Don't really have an opinion on dodge, but I would take a chevy over a ford over a dodge.
just be ready to get raped when you get your new truck. plan on $1k or a bit more for title/registration.
Tinelement
01-15-2013, 23:08
How many pmags do you want for your truck?
You don't want it
husky390
01-15-2013, 23:28
Lets throw in the straight front axle argument that for some unexplained reason hasn't came up. The Chevy/GMC has a weak IFS front end.
I really love my cushy weak IFS since 99% of the miles on my trucks are on road.
Ford changed their front suspension in 05 to coil over springs, similar to what Dodge has. The ride was awesome in my 06. I loved everything about that truck except for the payment. I only had one issue with the 6.0 and that was hydraulic leakdown and that was fixed under warranty. I changed my oil and fuel filters regularly and ran a fuel additive. That's not to say I wouldn't have had egr,fuel injector, or head gasket problems down the road. Bulletproof diesel and some other companies are making aftermarket egr and oil cooler kits that are taking away some of the issues with the engine. Mine was awesome towing and the transmission was kick ass.
With that said, as far as the "looks" department goes, that Dodge crewcab shortbed is a sexy beast. Since I have a chance to help "spend your money" buy a Dodge. :)
Alf Tanner
01-16-2013, 00:12
My dads 12 valve dodge is rusty but has 300k on one motor towing every day on a ranch, my 24 valve 6 speed dodge has 225k still going strong. I blew the head gasket in my truck at just shy of 40 lbs boost and have replaced the tranny but that was on me for not catching a slow leak that just ruined the tranny. New trucks are a different class of beast from the late 90s early 2000s
Tinelement
01-16-2013, 00:20
Sooo....
I might be leaning towards Dodge..... [Help]
But my wife just got her paycheck.......guess what!!?? $288 deduction a month!! (Like I didn't know that was coming [off-yourself])
So, best deal right now is a Dodge.
1 ton, Crew, long bed, dually for about 40k.
It fits the bill, lacks the overall HP, but I only tow less than 12k right now anyway. Soooooo......
brianakell
01-16-2013, 01:36
Holy [Bang] at this thread. Guys he wants to buy a new truck, he doesnt care about the pos D70's in 98 auto dodges, or 10 year old 7.3's.
Back to topic, for towing, dually, yes, do it. Single wheel guys say they are good to tow. Get in one folks, then haul thru glenwood canyon, wyoming, nebraska, kansas etc crosswinds with big enclosed trailers and heavy load. There is a reason you never hear dually guys complaining about trailer sway, airbags, crosswinds, feeling loose, etc. And all the noise about DRW costing more for tires, my experience, the duallies get much longer life out of the same tires as a SRW. Spend more now, buy less often kind of deal.
For 12k, any of them with do just fine honestly. For towing, for me, no question, get the manual. And just pocket the 4-8k at ~100k mark that you would spend on an auto. And blah blah blah about the allison, EVERY single person Ive ever met or known to own one has had issues with the trans, even towing light, around 6k, about 8 people I can think of. Id say the IFS runs a little smoother down the road, but is also lighter duty, and will need more maintenance sooner.
If I rule out IFS, down to ford/dodge. Both are doing well. The straight 6 will always get better low torque and pull off the line easier. Numbers schmumbers, shoot up I70, old dodges pulling 235hp and passing the higher hp ford v8s all day. The torque curve is just flatter, pulls harder. The v8s spin a bit more. Both get the job done, just depends how you want to drive. I will say working on straight motors is easier than V motors all day long, with that, Id take a stab that maintenance and repair work will be done quicker, and cheaper should you need anything. Myself, Id buy the engine and drivetrain, in the truck it happens to come in. Or build what you want, and spend a lot more time doing so, but less $.
Tinelement
01-16-2013, 01:43
^^^^^ Hehehehehehe!!!
Hence Ford, Dodge, Chevy.....GO!!
Good post Brian!
brianakell
01-16-2013, 01:53
Every once in a while I get a halfway decent post.
FWIW, I would look heavily at mileage, potentially getting something older to stay at or near 20mpg without violating federal law yanking emissions equipment off. However if you want a real crew, 8' box and 20mpg..... Or I suppose you could look for an 05 dmax with the 6speed. Theyre out here, and rare. $4k deduct off the price, when new. 03-04 seemed to have injector issues, hence the avoidance. I am admittedly a bit bias, I wanted 20mpg, real crew, 8' box, which ruled out dodge body for a long time, and at that point, the engine got ruled out, along with the price tag! Couldnt do dmax after watching someone fight one for 130k or so, and ford, well the "best", the 7.3 is incredibly complicated for its time, mileage and reliability suffer, then there is the cold start issue...
Also, before everyone jumps up and down about dpf, egr etc, realize at least one state has done roadside stops, like sobriety check points and gone after diesels specifically nailing for removing emissions equipment. $2500 ticket was the norm, with more possible. And note several DPF companies have disappeared too, EPA is shutting them down by burying them in fines.
Tinelement
01-16-2013, 02:32
Not buying another used truck Brian.....
Every effn used car/truck I have ever bought has been a PITA!!!
Somw folks have great luck with used, I don't.
Wanna start fresh, no upgrades, no miles, no extended warranty, no other peeps shenanigans!!!
Fresh and new!!
nisils14
01-16-2013, 05:22
you'll need one of these. :D
http://static.sgv2.com/img/193163/aspect/700x500/content/1/1209042022196519-unimog2.jpg
brianakell
01-16-2013, 09:38
Not buying another used truck Brian.....
Every effn used car/truck I have ever bought has been a PITA!!!
Somw folks have great luck with used, I don't.
Wanna start fresh, no upgrades, no miles, no extended warranty, no other peeps shenanigans!!!
Fresh and new!!
I think all vehicles are a PITA, pick your poison! But at least youre doing research. Ive never understood buying a car for "I really like this color" "I look good in this one" "My daddy bought xxxx so I always buy xxxx" "buy xxxx the others are junk" "I got a good deal on this pos"
Got a friend, says "all vehicles are rolling pos. $400, $40k, doesnt matter, they all break, stuff falls off, and theyre just traveling around looking for where they want to fall apart next." LOL
Alf Tanner
01-16-2013, 09:58
In my experience, I got pushed down more hills in the snow sliding while driving a drw than a srw pulling 10k+, in 4x4 with the puckerbutt factor at 8/10.
Rig roads aren't fun in the winter but with any weight in 4wd a drw was worthless. I could see a fair weather highway queen drw being more comfortable for towing
Alf Tanner
01-16-2013, 10:01
Every once in a while I get a halfway decent post.
Also, before everyone jumps up and down about dpf, egr etc, realize at least one state has done roadside stops, like sobriety check points and gone after diesels specifically nailing for removing emissions equipment. $2500 ticket was the norm, with more possible. And note several DPF companies have disappeared too, EPA is shutting them down by burying them in fines.
I was really surprised at the response of EFI live since they're based overseas. H&S posting about their dpf delete stuff being d/c was the catalyst it seems for every other company knee jerk reacting to stop selling.
brianakell
01-16-2013, 10:17
In my experience, I got pushed down more hills in the snow sliding while driving a drw than a srw pulling 10k+, in 4x4 with the puckerbutt factor at 8/10.
Rig roads aren't fun in the winter but with any weight in 4wd a drw was worthless. I could see a fair weather highway queen drw being more comfortable for towing
Too many people buy highway tires, and too many stuff wider, 265s etc onto duallys. Kills them. Keep them skinny, buy decent tires, and roll on. Ive pulled, with a dually, up ice covered roads, SRW trucks, and SRW with trailers. Empty dually. been running bfg at's (suck in comparison), and hankook dynapro's. The hankooks dont cup, stay balanced, and hook up even better.
brianakell
01-16-2013, 10:18
I was really surprised at the response of EFI live since they're based overseas. H&S posting about their dpf delete stuff being d/c was the catalyst it seems for every other company knee jerk reacting to stop selling.
From what I was told, from the state emissions guy. Selling parts to remove emissions equipment is up to $25k per instance. Adds up quick!
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
01-16-2013, 10:35
In my experience, I got pushed down more hills in the snow sliding while driving a drw than a srw pulling 10k+, in 4x4 with the puckerbutt factor at 8/10.
Rig roads aren't fun in the winter but with any weight in 4wd a drw was worthless. I could see a fair weather highway queen drw being more comfortable for towing
I drive a 2wd drw every day with a 5speed and I have disconected the ABS and have had zero issues besides throwing some chains once in a great moon. The traction is way better in the snow then a srw, its simple if you have good tires you have more contact surface and if you have POSI it becomes a beast. Ive had this truck for 6 or 7 years and I have never needed 4x4.
BushMasterBoy
01-16-2013, 10:36
I've been looking at the Ford F450, used of course, because new ones are over $60K. I just want a truck I can haul a backhoe or all my household goods at once. Anybody got a F450? I'm just curious about what to look for!
Tinelement
02-11-2013, 16:37
Annnnnd........
Winner!
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/9024D276-4DDE-47DF-A415-614D0935D166-2362-0000027157C80C39.jpg
liberty19
02-11-2013, 16:44
Annnnnd........
Winner!
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/9024D276-4DDE-47DF-A415-614D0935D166-2362-0000027157C80C39.jpg
+1 ^^^^^[AR15]
Annnnnd........
Winner!
I'm going to get flamed I'm sure for this... you made the smartest choice! That's a nice truck right there, I don't care who you are, that's an awesome ride! [Beer]
Tinelement
02-11-2013, 17:21
I'm going to get flamed I'm sure for this... you made the smartest choice! That's a nice truck right there, I don't care who you are, that's an awesome ride! [Beer]
Im already getting flamed!! Ha! [ROFL1]
This was just the best bang for the buck in the range I was wanting to spend. If I could afford a new Denali HD, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but I can't!!!
First Dodge! Have about 60 miles on it so far and have loved everyone!!
Nice choice! Best choice too. Welcome to the Cummins family.
Here is a great source:
www.tdr1.com (http://www.tdr1.com)
I own an extremely low mileage, '04.5 (325 HP 5.9), 6 speed, 1 ton (SRW), quad cab, short bed since new and will probably never part with it....unless the price is right.
rockhound
02-11-2013, 17:49
get a used 2007 or newer, the new emissions crap will cost you many trips to the shop, i have several buddies that upgrade their rides and now regret selling their 05, 06 cummins
Diesel24
02-11-2013, 17:50
Im already getting flamed!! Ha! [ROFL1]
This was just the best bang for the buck in the range I was wanting to spend. If I could afford a new Denali HD, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but I can't!!!
First Dodge! Have about 60 miles on it so far and have loved everyone!!
Nice rig! I agree with you on the Denali HD, pure sex!
get a used 2007 or newer, the new emissions crap will cost you many trips to the shop, i have several buddies that upgrade their rides and now regret selling their 05, 06 cummins
only till you lean what the word delete means in the diesel world. I don't regret it at all and 22-24mpg on the highway is nice to. btw good choice [Beer]
husky390
02-11-2013, 18:21
Congrats
jreifsch80
02-11-2013, 19:16
I agree with you that you can derive more torque from a 6bt, but thats all. i've seen quite a few duramax trucks at the 500k mark. its all about the maintanence. Saw an 07 two weeks ago where the guy was a parts driver and was driving from grand junction and back everyday and was getting an oil change every week. The truck had 620k on it and ran like a top. If you really want some power I have buddies that do the twin CP3 setups, turbos, trannys, and tunes. And i've been up with them on test and tunes and truck fest. A 10 second duramax is pretty impressive especially moving 9000lbs down the track that fast.
i'm not saying the duramax and stroke don't last just the cummins has more heavy duty parts all around as far as block and rotating assembly... for average maintained engines the cummins on average will take longer to get "tired" also 500,000 duramax's are around for sure as well as million mile cummins ;) either way all diesels last a long time if they have proper care and arent abused.
Diesel24
02-11-2013, 19:25
i'm not saying the duramax and stroke don't last just the cummins has more heavy duty parts all around as far as block and rotating assembly... for average maintained engines the cummins on average will take longer to get "tired" also 500,000 duramax's are around for sure as well as million mile cummins ;) either way all diesels last a long time if they have proper care and arent abused.
http://www.mlive.com/business/mid-michigan/index.ssf/2012/05/flint-made_chevy_silverado_pas.html#incart_river_defalt [Poke]
Busta Prima
02-11-2013, 22:03
Ford is far and away the best. The Dodge engine is good but unfortunately you have to buy the truck with it. The best combo really would be the Ford body, the Cummins engine from the Dodge and the Allison transmission from the Chevy. They all have their plusses and minuses but the one that will always win on total points is the Ford.
I'm not just saying this because I'm a Ford Fan Boy. I know many people who drive diesel pickups and the only two I know who both had Duramax trucks literally threw them away after 200k miles for un-repairable engines. Literally threw them away (one was repossessed but had NO value). My friend the Dodge fan had a 2012 (or 13?) and was so disappointed with the crappy mileage compared to his older one that he sold it.
So the "Dodge" engine is good, but the truck and the mileage sucks? But it's better is you stick it in a Ford? Quite contradictory.
My 2004.5 gets great mileage and has had virtually zero issues that were not self-inflicted. That amounts to farked up tie-rod ends from flogging it offroad.
Which one do YOU own?
jreifsch80
02-11-2013, 22:12
http://www.mlive.com/business/mid-michigan/index.ssf/2012/05/flint-made_chevy_silverado_pas.html#incart_river_defalt [Poke]
With chevy's that's a news story with a cummins that's expected lol but I have no room to talk my new company pickup will be a ford diesel (not my choice but I don't mind)
jreifsch80
02-11-2013, 22:14
So the "Dodge" engine is good, but the truck and the mileage sucks? But it's better is you stick it in a Ford? Quite contradictory.
My 2004.5 gets great mileage and has had virtually zero issues that were not self-inflicted. That amounts to farked up tie-rod ends from flogging it offroad.
Which one do YOU own?
My early 98 (98 with a 12 valve) would get around 23 mpg empty while my 06 I used to have would routinely get 20-21 mpg after the straight pipe semi air filter and edge juice controller set on 25 extra horse those are both interstate numbers in town they both got about 17-18
edit those were dodges by the way lol
Just drove home a new 2012 6.7 f350. That is one bad ass truck. 4 miles on it when I took it can't wait to put a few 000000's behind that
They're all damn fine trucks compared to the shit we used to have to drive.
I remember having to drive the CUCV in the Army and they sucked big time and they dropped motors (GM 350 diesel v-8's) like turds.
Bandit4142
02-11-2013, 23:42
I have NO experience with the new 6.7L Ford, but I currently own (for my lumberyard) a 2009 F450 with the 6.4L Powerstroke. This isn't the first Ford I've had, nor my company, and we previously ran Dodge Cummins / Sterling Med. duty trucks. We typically log 300k on the trucks before we cut them loose, and I'll be surprised if this truck makes it to 100k before I trade it in! I have seriously lost count how many times its been to the dealer for leaving us stranded on the side of the road for countless problems.... It currently only has 38k on it, and I dred everytime it leaves the lumberyard hoping it can drag itself back. When its running, its incredible, although its gas mileage is absolutely atrocious barely pulling down more than 12mpg. The Ford is truely a monster when it comes to POWER, only problem is.... can't keep it together. One of my fellow yards has the same exact truck with 60k and its now in the dealer with its 3rd engine replacement.
I previously owned 2000-2003 Ford F350's with the 7.3L Powerstroke, and while they had their fair share of transmission issues (both auto & manuals), overall no complaints. After that, due to price, I went with the Dodge / Cummins combo and couldn't have been happier. They had the typical Dodge frontend trouble every 60k, but once again that was tolerable.
I ended up going back to the Ford due to Dodge not offering a medium duty commercial truck.... hence the Ford. When the dust settled, this Ford cost me just under $60k which I felt was a good deal..... These days I swear this Ford will lead to my premature death!
I only hope and pray that the 6.7L is once again a completely different animal than the 6.0, and 6.4 that came before it.
(Yes... I'm bitter.... the dam thing cost me $60K!!!!) :) only my $.02
husky390
02-11-2013, 23:54
You know what rules? Glocks. They're the best thing in the world. No other gun is better than a Glock. Yup. The 1911 sucks, HK's suck, S&W can't build a gun to save their ass. But you get behind the wheel of a Glock, and man. You can't beat it. [ROFL2]
You know what rules? Glocks. They're the best thing in the world. No other gun is better than a Glock. Yup. The 1911 sucks, HK's suck, S&W can't build a gun to save their ass. But you get behind the wheel of a Glock, and man. You can't beat it. [ROFL2]
Your gun is poop.
hghclsswhitetrsh
02-12-2013, 00:22
Looks good tin. What happened to great white?
Annnnnd........
Winner!
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/9024D276-4DDE-47DF-A415-614D0935D166-2362-0000027157C80C39.jpg
Why didn't you get the big pickup?
USAFGopherMike
02-12-2013, 00:47
"You've chosen,.......wisely." I bought a 99 Dodge Dually for my own reasons. Brian had the best posts in this thread. I've driven all three brands in different generations and each have their areas of expertise/win. That's a great looking truck, I'm sure it will serve you well.
Boeing is better than Airbus....
The XD is better than the Glock....
I'd rather have an AK over an AR....
Rugby is better than Football....
Go Bears!
Screw the Yankees!
Tinelement
02-12-2013, 19:46
Looks good tin. What happened to great white?
She was tired.....
Bought her lifted, chipped and beat.....
It caught up to her....
Tinelement
02-12-2013, 19:49
Why didn't you get the big pickup?
Coulda!!
But this one was plenty big! [LOL]
Just tell em all it is " W I D E "
I just got home from Salt Lake City filled up in Layton made it back to aurora 1 tank 18.7 mpg. I really like this new f-350
husky390
02-14-2013, 21:52
I just got home from Salt Lake City filled up in Layton made it back to aurora 1 tank 18.7 mpg. I really like this new f-350
Wow, that's pretty good. I didn't know the new Fords were up to that in mileage. Way better than what a 6.4 could do and on par with a 6.0
took this on the way to Minnesota, and I got 19.3mpg on the way back(below) that and no def, thats why I went with the dodge. of course I hit a big dip and all my cats and the dpf filter fell off.
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/rruusseell1/EB75FE55-7359-4DC3-B680-854E5A744185-17716-000004EE802CDAF6_zpsb9454394.jpg
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