An actual real compromise that benefits both sides, and helps to reduce a real problem.

[Ridge]

I was thinking, and this is what I came up with.

We all agree that the majority of gun crime comes from guns that were stolen from law abiding owners.

Everybody is still able to purchase and do whatever the hell else they currently can. But, they need to have some form of locking cabinet for the guns when they are not in use. Just needs to be secured while you are not at home.

Some type of locking gun cabinet protects our investment, and makes it harder for guns to be stolen. It's a part of responsible gun ownership, anyway. It can even be subsidized by way of a one time tax credit to make it easier for those with lower income. New buyers can submit a receipt with their taxes, those who already own one, do something like taking a picture of the safe's information plate with your social security card visible in the shot.

What do you guys think?

[HBARleatherneck]

no,

and I have a large expensive safe.

[sroz]

I personally do not have a problem with a requirement to have a way to secure your firearms. I think it just makes sense for all my guns except my carry piece. Not sure about the process, however. Depends on how it would be implemented.

[Gman]

Depends on how it would be implemented.
The devil is in the details. Whenever the government is the watchdog, it's another way to infringe. If your guns are in your home, how is that not enough control?

If the guns are stolen, put the efforts towards going after the criminals doing the stealing.

[Sharpienads]

I think its a good idea to lock up your firearms.

I do not think its a good idea to make it mandatory.

[BlasterBob]

Mine are kept in a safe.......

[hatidua]

What do you guys think?

The government dictates enough of what goes on in our lives already. I don't think willfully inviting more oversight is even remotely close to being a good idea.

Don't blame me for what a criminal steals, blame the criminal!

[sellersm]

The government dictates enough of what goes on in our lives already. I don't think willfully inviting more oversight is even remotely close to being a good idea.

Don't blame me for what a criminal steals, blame the criminal!

+1

Sent via carrier pigeon cuz the internet's down.

[hatidua]

But, they need to have some form of locking cabinet for the guns when they are not in use. Just needs to be secured while you are not at home.

Some type of locking gun cabinet protects our investment, and makes it harder for guns to be stolen. It's a part of responsible gun ownership, anyway.

They have that in California if I'm not mistaken.

To nobody in particular, if this is something you support, here's how you go about it:

Take I-70 West until it hits I-15. Turn left when you get to I-15 and continue on until you get to CA. They've already got it taken care of, you'll be happy there.

[HBARleatherneck]

cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, then they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

[UrbanWolf]

Make a big fucking safe that locks up all bad guys, that is the only safe mandatory.

[blacklabel]

cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, they they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

That sums up my concerns.

[00tec]

So lock 'em up when you're not home? Enforceability aside, not going to help much.

Nancy Lanza was home....

[Bailey Guns]

No.

When something is in my home it should be presumed to be safe from a criminal. I shouldn't be responsible for ensuring a criminal doesn't break into my home and steal my property. The fault, blame, responsibility and repercussions should fall on the criminal's shoulders, not the shoulders of the law-abiding gun owner.

When someone is caught with a stolen gun or stealing a gun or whatever, the state should cut his fucking arms off. He'd be much less likely to victimize anyone else.

Besides...a scumbag, low-life, career burglar would probably face much lighter penalties from the court than the innocent homeowner who didn't secure his gun(s) and "allowed" them to be stolen.

[DavieD55]

NO means NO! Maybe if you feel those measures are necessary you could take it upon yourself to compromise in your own way. More gov mandates and intervention is not the solution.

[MarkCO]

NO. The only compromise that works...if you voted for entitlements, pot legalization, or Obumer, you can't buy any guns or ammo. Solves several problems at once.

[DFBrews]

What about the bedside firearms many of us keep? Nope don't like it I have the majority in a safe but keep a pistol and shotty bedside.

[Bailey Guns]

If I didn't have to worry about thieves I wouldn't have to have a big-expensive safe. I coulda bought several guns for the price of my safe.

[DavieD55]

Who is going to enforce the locking cabinets in your home? Is there going to be monthly/weekly/daily inspections of your gun safe?

Who will administer those inspections? Will we need to create another branch of LE or department for that?


I guess you we could just add to the size and scope of the BATFE. Just think how many more jobs that would create. GOV jobs that is.

[Ridge]

What about the bedside firearms many of us keep? Nope don't like it I have the majority in a safe but keep a pistol and shotty bedside.

And where are they when you aren't home?

[Ridge]

cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, then they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

It IS a crime to leave your car running unattended. It allows ready and immediate access to someone who would choose to steal it.

[00tec]

When I'm not at home, my bedside gun is in my glovebox or center console.

[NMB2]

And where are they when you aren't home?

still next to my bed, depending where I went (short term)

If they can get past both my bitch of a greyhound and my great dane, they deserve the gun.

[kidicarus13]

Here's an idea... pretend my locked house is a safe.

[OneGuy67]

We all agree that the majority of gun crime comes from guns that were stolen from law abiding owners.

Statistically speaking, this would be incorrect. Although some high profile cases in the news have pointed out that the firearm used had been stolen or taken from a family member, the majority of firearm violence isn't from stolen firearms.

[StagLefty]

I agree with gun owner responsibility and I do keep mine secured BUT I don't need the government to be part of that equation.

[TAR31]

Here's an idea... pretend my locked house is a safe.
Yep, last time I checked it is illegal to enter my house without my permission.

This is about the least useful idea I've heard yet. Now if you have a criminal or crazy person living with you it should be required.

[Troublco]

The devil is in the details. Whenever the government is the watchdog, it's another way to infringe. If your guns are in your home, how is that not enough control?

If the guns are stolen, put the efforts towards going after the criminals doing the stealing.

Yup


I think its a good idea to lock up your firearms. I do not think its a good idea to make it mandatory.

Uh huh


The government dictates enough of what goes on in our lives already. I don't think willfully inviting more oversight is even remotely close to being a good idea.

Don't blame me for what a criminal steals, blame the criminal!

Yeah


cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, then they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

And Yes!

So for me it'd be no...

[theGinsue]

Let's consider this in the form of a scenario; shall we?

So, you're just going to pick your child up from school... Can't have your carry gun with you on school grounds so you decide to leave it at home, secured.

Your child's teacher wants to discuss an issue with you, delaying your return home for 15 minutes.

You get back home, walk inside and know something isn't right.

While you were gone someone broke into your home and now you've returned while they are still there (happens often enough in real life doesn't it?). You are standing between them and your homes exits but your firearms are "properly secured" and not available to you (at least not quickly).

What do you suppose the likely outcome of this will be? Are you willing to gamble the lives of you and your family to find out?

[NMB2]

Let's consider this in the form of a scenario; shall we?

So, you're just going to pick your child up from school... Can't have your carry gun with you on school grounds so you decide to leave it at home, secured.

Your child's teacher wants to discuss an issue with you, delaying your return home for 15 minutes.

You get back home, walk inside and know something isn't right.

While you were gone someone broke into your home and now you've returned while they are still there (append often enough in real life doesn't't it?). You are standing between them and your homes exits but your firearms are "properly secured" and not available to you (at least not quickly).

What do you suppose the likely outcome of this will be? Are you willing to gamble the lives of you and your family to find out?

Exactly.

I keep them in seperate places of the house for a scenario like this.

[josh7328]

Same here. One hidden at the entrance for this specific possibility. The government dictating MORE aspects of private life is NOT the answer.
Exactly.

I keep them in seperate places of the house for a scenario like this.

[alxone]

ridge, this would be a terrible idea and would lead to authorities entering homes as they please in the name of a "safety check "

the only reason i would consider a gun buyers card is im cheap . pay 10 bucks once every 2 years -vs- 10 bucks each transaction . this would also help private sales as well . if your at all worried about a potential buyer just ask if he has a card , if he/she has said card then you know they are good to go . of course this would not prevent fake cards , or those that have broken a law after they have gotten the card .

[Ridge]

Let's consider this in the form of a scenario; shall we?

So, you're just going to pick your child up from school... Can't have your carry gun with you on school grounds so you decide to leave it at home, secured.

Your child's teacher wants to discuss an issue with you, delaying your return home for 15 minutes.

You get back home, walk inside and know something isn't right.

While you were gone someone broke into your home and now you've returned while they are still there (happens often enough in real life doesn't it?). You are standing between them and your homes exits but your firearms are "properly secured" and not available to you (at least not quickly).

What do you suppose the likely outcome of this will be? Are you willing to gamble the lives of you and your family to find out?

Actually you can take a gun onto school property, but you have to leave it in your car. You can't bring it inside.

[MarkCO]

Actually you can take a gun onto school property, but you have to leave it in your car. You can't bring it inside.

That is why we all need one of these! 19205

[birddog]

Mine are kept in a safe.......


Mine would be but I don't have any.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't see what problem this solves given that you can already be sued for liability if your guns are easily stolen. There's already a strong incentive to do the responsible thing and keep your guns secure.

[Gman]

I don't see anyone promoting the idea of locking up women to prevent rape.

[sniper7]

no, mandatory restriction could cost lives. they want to save lives, so do we. locking them up causes problems with accessibility if someone needed to get to them quick. still isn't going to stop the criminals from breaking in with their guns and shooting you while you try to get in your gun cabinet/safe.

enforce the current laws. so far it is illegal to steal a gun, to break into a home, to murder someone, for a felon to be in possession of a gun, for guns on school property in most states...etc.etc.etc.....yet all those laws don't stop these people.

your idea is to restrict more good people from defending themselves in a timely fashion. The anti's need to just come out and tell us they wish guns were never invented and because they are uncomfortable with them and don't own them, they don't think anyone else should. It is an elitist attitude best defined by Diane Feinstein with her carry permit in california, any one of those worthless fucks that are anti-gun yet employ armed security or secret service or any leader that would not lead the charge into battle. I highly doubt I will see Obamas figure stamped into a quarter while in the front of a boat leading the charge like George Washington.

Fuck the people that want to have a "discussion" about gun rights. there is nothing to discuss. any further restrictions, any further deterioration of our rights are unacceptable. We are good, law abiding people who have made the conscious decision to protect ourselves with a tool that puts us on par with most criminals.

[XJ]

"We all agree that the majority of gun crime comes from guns that were stolen from law abiding owners."


Where did you get this this bullshit, was it from Eric Holder's blog?

[Tinelement]

I'm not making compromises

[bogie]

Why is 'compromise' even in the vocabulary when it comes to a discussion of rights?

[Squeeze]

Here's my concept on "compromise". I'll compromise by letting the politicians go back to giving a shit about my economy, quit stealing from social security, get our troops home (for good), and stop wiping their feet on my Constitution.

[buckeye4rnr]

The government dictates enough of what goes on in our lives already. I don't think willfully inviting more oversight is even remotely close to being a good idea.

Don't blame me for what a criminal steals, blame the criminal!

Agreed. This is what the argument should be until they can come up with a good rebuttal.

When it comes to every other crime we usually blame the person but when guns are involved we blame the gun. HTF does that make sense, if someone can give a coherent answer that has no holes, I'll let the government have my pmags and tell me to get a safe.

[spqrzilla]

"Safe storage" laws are intended to discourage ownership of firearms by intimidating gun owners.

[sellersm]

Can we just back up a little bit, for a more macro perspective? If all these things that the anti-gun people are being talked about today are really true, then just how did we survive as mankind for this long? Guns weren't created in the last decade...

[hammer03]

I think its a good idea to lock up your firearms.

I do not think its a good idea to make it mandatory.
This

[DFBrews]

The shotgun stays next to the bed unless I am leaving overnight. It is a basic 870 I am out 250 bucks if does get stolen. Much cheaper than the other firearms and hell even the home theater equipment. It is big and hard to conceal unlike pistols and it is not worth a down payment on a car currently like my AR's.

[KestrelBike]

They have that in California if I'm not mistaken.

To nobody in particular, if this is something you support, here's how you go about it:

Take I-70 West until it hits I-15. Turn left when you get to I-15 and continue on until you get to CA. They've already got it taken care of, you'll be happy there.

You are mistaken. What you might be thinking of is that each firearm purchased must also have a lock (purchased within 30 days) or you give them make and model of your safe. Locks cost $7 and even then you just need one, and then sell it to a friend for $1, buy it back from your friend for $1 and write a bill of sale with the date on it. Perfectly 100% legal.

Or else, you are liable if you keep guns unlocked in your home and a kid takes the gun and does something stupid with it.

[KestrelBike]

Slight tangent: what do people suggest as a safe way to store firearms if they live in an apartment where they cannot just go and buy a huge safe? Put cable locks on them and try to insure the hell out of them?

[DFBrews]

Slight tangent: what do people suggest as a safe way to store firearms if they live in an apartment where they cannot just go and buy a huge safe? Put cable locks on them and try to insure the hell out of them?

insurance is mandatory for apt living as it is. i was in the same situation and actually bought a job box type thing off Craigslist that locks put them in there and put a throw rug over the top and called it a coffee table

[KestrelBike]

insurance is mandatory for apt living as it is. i was in the same situation and actually bought a job box type thing off Craigslist that locks put them in there and put a throw rug over the top and called it a coffee table

Hahaha genius!!

I wouldn't trust renters insurance to cover firearms, I go over SPECIFICALLY with the agent what I have and that if it gets stolen, I want it replaced, and not just FMV but what I originally paid for it. It has required some thorough documentation that might make some shudder, but it helps me sleep at night.

[DFBrews]

Hahaha genius!!

I wouldn't trust renters insurance to cover firearms, I go over SPECIFICALLY with the agent what I have and that if it gets stolen, I want it replaced, and not just FMV but what I originally paid for it. It has required some thorough documentation that might make some shudder, but it helps me sleep at night.


With all the ammo and firearms it would take 2 big dudes to move the thing and down 3 flights of stairs good luck!

now I ended up with a snap safe that is assembled in a closet with the door smaller than the safe itself

[JoeT]

Massachusetts has such a law. A buddy of mine's father had a heart attack, wife calls 911 and police and ambulance come, take him to hospital, police see an 870 behind the door (home defense gun) police arrest 70 year old wife who's husband is in the ambulance for "unsafe storage"

case was dismissed, but cost her thousands in legal fees. Husband lives, but looses all guns (as Mass has another law that requires all gun owners to have a license- and the chief of police decided he was unsuitable because of his unsafe storage ). he transfers his collection to his son (my buddy) but because he has no license (and even if he did the state only allows 4 FTF transactions a year) is required to have FFL transfer them at a discounted rate of $20 per.

AND NOW THERE'S A 75 YEAR OLD WOMAN, AND HER 80 YEAR OLD HUSBAND WHO HAVE NO WAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IN CASE OF ROBBERY OR HOME INVASION.

all because of a safe storage law....

oh, the law also states that if you don't have direct control (on your person) the gun must be locked in a secure container or with a trigger lock. So a LAW ABIDING citizen who gets his home broken into in the middle of the night , gets woken from a dead sleep, has to get to his safe, fumble with the combination (most likely in the dark) before he can defend his life or the life of his children

say no to safe storage laws (and any compromise)

[O2HeN2]

Everybody is still able to purchase and do whatever the hell else they currently can. But, they need to have some form of locking cabinet for the guns when they are not in use. Just needs to be secured while you are not at home.

Exactly one of the many requirements that England put in place... Before they confiscated all the guns.

What many fail to realize is that we've been "compromising" since the early 1900s on this issue and all it does is keep moving the "middle ground" closer and closer to confiscation.

Make up your mind on where you stand on this issue: Is it a right or isn't it? If it's a right, look at restrictions of the first amendment as a model as to what's acceptable as restrictions on the second.

O2

[Byte Stryke]

cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, then they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

I think you should have to take the gas out of your car and take the tires off when you aren't driving your it.
This would prevent people from stealing it and using it crimes, becoming involved in High speed pursuits or crimes against children.
It wouldn't add that much to your day, I see people on TV Take Tires off and replace them on Cars in just seconds... a few seconds...Think of the lives it would save.

[lowspeed_highdrag]

Compromise means both sides losing something to come to an agreement. Since the left is offering absolutely nothing in the form of a loss, and since I believe we have offered more than we ever should have in the past, I will not compromise. To those gun owners attempting to sell us down the river, you will forever be remembered as cowards, traitors, and collaborators.
These people compromised, and their fate was sealed:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/glockfire/gen-chart-550_zps06eecc20.jpg

[theGinsue]

Closed OP's request.