View Full Version : AWB off the table... (federally)
I just heard today- and we should be getting the news released next week- from a very reliable source (three letter gov agency) that a federal AWB will not... let me say again WILL NOT happen. Word is that the Biden Committee and several advisers close to POTUS decided to remove the AWB plans from the table. However, magazine capacity restrictions are still being discussed and planned, as well as state legislation- such as here- we need to keep our own state reps in check.
Furthermore- Count it now- 27 LEOs I have spoken to since Sandy Hook. Of those 27 all 27 have voiced (by themselves or on behalf of most if not all of their counterparts at their respective departments) that if any legislation comes down that requires any sort of unconstitutional confiscation, IT WILL NOT BE ENFORCED.
That is all.
My fingers remain crossed.
Batteriesnare
01-12-2013, 22:23
This would be welcomed news, but do not let up the pressure!
Here's a link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT)
Fentonite
01-12-2013, 22:33
Not convinced. Please keep writing your elected officials, and encourage everyone you know to do the same.
Please.
blacklabel
01-12-2013, 22:35
Not convinced. Please keep writing your elected officials, and encourage everyone you know to do the same.
Please.
And to fight a magazine capacity limit as well.
Here's a link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT)
Hmm... I was told today that official word wouldn't be released until Tuesday at the earliest... [Beer]
Not convinced. Please keep writing your elected officials, and encourage everyone you know to do the same.
Please.
Quite true- this is not time to get complacent and think we won... this is just one skirmish, in one battle, we must continue. Jan 19th for instance...
Fentonite
01-12-2013, 22:37
And to fight a magazine capacity limit as well.
Absolutely.
After watching the broncos get beat and freezing my buns off (i was at the game) this is very welcome news.. Hope it pans out that way.
mtnrider
01-12-2013, 22:44
Here's a link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260978/National-Rifle-Association-meet-Joe-Biden-White-House-gun-control-talks.html#ixzz2HhkZvVBT)
I'm afraid I am not convinced either. The Daily Mail in the United Kingdom is reporting this yet no US news source is? Keep up the fight. I don't buy this for 1 second.
SideShow Bob
01-12-2013, 22:45
Still doesn't mean that they will not push for things like Bullet Buttons or no pistol grips and 10 or less round capacity magazines.
Still sending postcards. And writing. Even if the alb is off the table for now they will not rest until we are disarmed
I just heard today- and we should be getting the news released next week- from a very reliable source (three letter gov agency) that a federal AWB will not... let me say again WILL NOT happen. Word is that the Biden Committee and several advisers close to POTUS decided to remove the AWB plans from the table. However, magazine capacity restrictions are still being discussed and planned, as well as state legislation- such as here- we need to keep our own state reps in check.
Furthermore- Count it now- 27 LEOs I have spoken to since Sandy Hook. Of those 27 all 27 have voiced (by themselves or on behalf of most if not all of their counterparts at their respective departments) that if any legislation comes down that requires any sort of unconstitutional confiscation, IT WILL NOT BE ENFORCED.
That is all.
I heard from some guy in a 4 letter gov agency the obama is actually gonna lift all NFA requirements.
Thats how stupid your vague BS post is.
spqrzilla
01-12-2013, 22:54
The White House isn't who I'm concerned about. Obama has shown no ability to lead or control legislation to date. So the White House or Federal LEO leaking stuff is meaningless.
TEAMRICO
01-12-2013, 23:04
Damn, I just bought a "Come and take them " sticker for the truck.........
BPTactical
01-12-2013, 23:07
I love you, the check is in the mail and well, you know the rest.........
I do not feel this administration is beyond anything.
Smoke and mirrors, slight of hand, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Keep the pressure on.
We Shall Not Bow.
Damn, I just bought a "Come and take them " sticker for the truck.........
Tell me about it, I just spent $3000 on a stripped lower....
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything in the article quoting anyone in the know. Seemed based more on Lauer's interview with Keene. Might be some BS passed on to the Brits by Morgan.
Hmmm, now I wonder about our state trying to get one through.
newracer
01-12-2013, 23:41
Only because they know they don't have the votes.
UrbanWolf
01-13-2013, 00:10
Wait, I though D Feinstein is still waiting to present her bill.
Jefe's AR
01-13-2013, 00:38
I honestly believe we've got 'em running scared. Exposed. They'll take anything they can get. Which should be nothing. Let's continue pushing back. They tested the waters and are scared of what they saw. DF is so out of touch she'll continue to push but she's tainted now. Nobody wants to be connected to her right now. The overwhelming public response to these tragedies has been to buy more guns and ammo. They know where the votes stand.
I really believe her bill is going to be so extreme there is no chance for it to pass. I do agree that the mag ban is coming though and while I don't agree with it I think it's going to be difficult to stop it. Especially if they grandfather existing mags.
Now $1000 BCGs scare the crap out of me.
I heard from some guy in a 4 letter gov agency the obama is actually gonna lift all NFA requirements.
Thats how stupid your vague BS post is.
Sorry if under threat of prosecution I can't say what agency, name or anything else- and for the fact that is "as-yet-unreleased information". Next time you want to make a comment based on a idiotic opinion, go to FB. Quite obvious you have no idea how reliable, yet anonymous/secretive source information is. I'll give you a hint- it's partly responsible for a bearded guy who is responsible for the death of 3,000 Americans was found and taken out.
ETA: Bet you'll feel pretty stupid when the actual press release comes out and my source was correct...
lead_magnet
01-13-2013, 01:06
Make that 28.
Make that 28.
[Beer]
29 if you want to count one of the state's CLEOs... but that's not his "official" stance, that was just said off the record that he wouldn't allow his department to participate in any such activity.
Citizen_Soldier
01-13-2013, 01:24
I really believe her bill is going to be so extreme there is no chance for it to pass. I do agree that the mag ban is coming though and while I don't agree with it I think it's going to be difficult to stop it. Especially if they grandfather existing mags.
My thinking is that perhaps she introduced such an extreme bill so that she would have leverage to work out a compromise to keep both parties happy. Instead of outright banning all these "listed assault rifles" with mandatory turn-in, they could just require NFA tax stamps, restrict magazine size, grandfather, etc. Similar laws to what Commiefornia lives under. Coming out strong gives her the chance to lessen the measures described in the bill, but still infringe upon our gun rights. Just my thoughts.
Make that 28.
Also some thoughts on confiscation. It would have to be federal agents getting paid a LOT of money going door to door. The govt is very outnumbered by the liberty loving gun owners of this nation. I'm in the WY Army National Guard and also have many LEO acquaintances, yet I can't think of a single person in such a position I personally know that would be willing to take away guns from civilian owners.
I for one will continue to push, and continue to push until there is no enemy.
Sorry if under threat of prosecution I can't say what agency, name or anything else- and for the fact that is "as-yet-unreleased information". Next time you want to make a comment based on a idiotic opinion, go to FB. Quite obvious you have no idea how reliable, yet anonymous/secretive source information is. I'll give you a hint- it's partly responsible for a bearded guy who is responsible for the death of 3,000 Americans was found and taken out.
ETA: Bet you'll feel pretty stupid when the actual press release comes out and my source was correct...
Under the threat of prosecution? Seriously you are gonna pull that? You did not receive any info through legal channels so you would not be under any "threat of prosecution". That takes the cake for stupidest thing I've heard today.
I for one will continue to push, and continue to push until there is no enemy.
That's what every man and woman who own a gun/guns need to be doing... sadly, this nation is split between the committed and the spineless when it comes to gun ownership.
Under the threat of prosecution? Seriously you are gonna pull that? You did not receive any info through legal channels so you would not be under any "threat of prosecution". That takes the cake for stupidest thing I've heard today.
"Dissemination of unreleased and/or unofficial information and/or sources." And I wasn't talking about me... That takes care of stupidest responses heard this month.
"Dissemination of unreleased and/or unofficial information and/or sources." And I wasn't talking about me... That takes care of stupidest responses heard this month.
Keep going, I might actually believe something you say....
Keep going, I might actually believe something you say....
I don't really care what you believe... Just sharing some information that is good news for our community- then you come in and try to undermine with absolutely no ground, knowledge, or cause, just to say "that's pretty vague..." How else is a quick blurb from someone who's not supposed to say anything about the matter speaking in confidence that his identity won't be revealed supposed to get "leaked." Obviously you have no idea how things work these days- watch the news sometime "A DOD official, speaking on condition of anonymity because they aren't allowed to discuss...." [Bang]
Just read your "most badass person ever" thread, I'm gonna stop wasting my breath.
Mick-Boy
01-13-2013, 02:11
..... How else is a quick blurb from someone who's not supposed to say anything about the matter speaking in confidence that his identity won't be revealed supposed to get "leaked."...." [Bang]
Which in and of itself is complete bullshit.
Want to be one of the cool kids and play sneaky games? Learn how to keep your fucking mouth shut. It's not that hard.
Bailey Guns
01-13-2013, 06:08
Tell me about it, I just spent $3000 on a stripped lower....
I wasn't gonna sell any of mine, but, if you're in the market at $3k per we could talk.
[Coffee]
i wont believe it is truly off the table untill this silliness is over
I realy think it's just that Ronan wants to get the rifle prices to drop down to where they were two months ago. If the panic-ers think there won't be a ban the demand will drop and the prices will drop too.
[Coffee]
Have a Nice Day.
BPTactical
01-13-2013, 07:20
From yesterday as seen on Drudge and Yahoo:
"The White House says President Barack Obama is still committed to persuading Congress to ban some semi-automatic weapons, despite comments from the vice president that suggested he and Obama would instead embrace more politically popular gun reforms.
"The president has been clear that Congress should reinstate the assault weapons ban and that avoiding this issue just because it's been politically difficult in the past is not an option," Matt Lehrich, a spokesman for Obama, told Yahoo News.
Vice President Joe Biden told reporters on Thursday that he will issue a plan to the president next week to address the nation's gun violence problem. Though both Biden and Obama have voiced their support for an assault weapons ban, Biden didn't mention it on Thursday, instead focusing on proposals to close a loophole that allows gun buyers to forgo background checks and a bill to limit the size of ammunition magazines to 10 bullets. Biden also noted that many senators are opposed to a ban but are more receptive to magazine limits, according to the New York Times.
Any assault weapons ban would most likely face a tough road in Congress. President Bill Cinton, who pushed an assault weapons ban through a majority Democratic Congress in 1994, said later that the ban fueled a Republican comeback, with the party winning back the House and Senate for the first time in 40 years in the next election cycle.
Attitudes about assault weapons and gun control have also changed since the '90s: Polling shows that background checks and magazine limits enjoy majority support among the public, while an assault weapons ban does not."
http://m.yahoo.com/w/global/main%3B_ylt=A2KL8xQrsvJQnXUACBZj59w4?.intl=US&.lang=en
Besides Ronin, you can't use the "I know somebody" clause..........that one is mine[pick-me]
I wasn't gonna sell any of mine, but, if you're in the market at $3k per we could talk.
[Coffee]
I'd dip into my stash if I thought I could really get $3k a piece.
Under the threat of prosecution? Seriously you are gonna pull that? You did not receive any info through legal channels so you would not be under any "threat of prosecution". That takes the cake for stupidest thing I've heard today.
You've obviously never read any more of his posts.
First, I doubt that information would be classified.
Second, if there is a threat of prosecution to your friends, you should never have posted this. If anyone is concerned about this getting out and sees your post you could be in for an interview of a different sort. I am fairly certain your friends would not appreciate the special attention you just rained down on them.
Sometimes being "in the know" is something you should just keep to yourself. If the AWB debate turns out the way we all are hoping for, we'll all be thrilled and the result for all of us will be the same whether someone leaked it ahead of time or not.
rockhound
01-13-2013, 11:28
sorry I read that link well past the first paragraph, i do not see anything promising in that article at all.
the bans will come in some form, if not an outright ban then restrictions and registration and confiscation of some guns, if you can buy an ar next year it will have major modifications done to it.
If something like this is announced it will ONLY be a ploy to whip the antis into writing their congrescritters. In other words, don't believe it.
O2
BPTactical
01-13-2013, 12:26
If something like this is announced it will ONLY be a ploy to whip the antis into writing their congrescritters. In other words, don't believe it.
O2
Or to get the pro 2A folks to back off.
Dis-information
Deflect
This administration is expert at manipulating facts.
Don't fall for it.
We Shall Never Bow
They just want us to let our gaurd down so they can have more push but there is just too many of us and we are too strong. Obama and Biden can eat a piece of WHITE dog shit.[pileoshit]
USAFGopherMike
01-13-2013, 13:59
They just want us to let our gaurd down so they can have more push but there is just too many of us and we are too strong. Obama and Biden can eat a piece of WHITE dog shit.[pileoshit]
"YOU eat the cat poop!"
They are getting smarter, a federal law would bring major heat and even possible civil war, if they leave it to the blue states and cities to pass law's they know they will not take the heat and it would take years to make its way up to the supreme court if ever.
Look at NY, NJ, CA and others, they outright violate the 2nd and nothing has made it to the supreme court to challenge it.
This is another way to incrementally tear down the constitution.
Hell the city of Denver violates the state and federal Constitution and gets away with it. they just don't get any of my business.
I guess they got our Molon Labe post cards :)
MuzzleFlash
01-14-2013, 10:44
Regardless of what is or isn't happening at the federal level, I can guarantee you that the Colorado anti gunners in the legislature and the Governor's office are still very much actively working to undermine the 2A. All of us need to be all over our state legislators and the governor's office with daily reminders that gun banning of any sort is not going to fly here.
Mick-Boy
01-14-2013, 11:14
I've been communicating with Rep. Gardner via email. Unfortunately his read on the situation is similar to mine.
I appreciate your thoughts and I oppose any attempts to restrict our Second Amendment rights. Unfortunately, the Colorado House and Senate are controlled by Democrats and they almost to a person believe in greater gun control. So, we will fight for you, but I believe that in the end that the Dems will get their way on this and the Democratic Governor will sign it into law.
Thanks for writing.
Bob Gardner
Kraven251
01-14-2013, 11:42
I've been communicating with Rep. Gardner via email. Unfortunately his read on the situation is similar to mine.
He seems like a pretty tell it how it is kinda guy, need more of those.
I've been communicating with Rep. Gardner via email. Unfortunately his read on the situation is similar to mine.
We need to put their votes in front of every rural and mountain person who votes for these Democrat swine...I absolutely can't believe that any gun owner (or any person who believes in liberty) would vote for them.
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