Obama EO's on the way and they're BAD

[MuzzleFlash]

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:



Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.


They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.



I hope I am wrong.

[Pancho Villa]

"A trusted anonymous source."

Never heard that one before.

[Byte Stryke]

I heard he was going to declare bankruptcy for the entire United States.

[Dave]

Not wanting to add to the rumor mill too much, but both my wife and I have federal jobs and both of our offices have rumors that federal employees may be subject to the EO's to the tune of not being able to be employed if you own AW's, high cap mags or other NFA items. [fail][Rant2]

[Madeinhb]

I heard he was using an executive order to declare himself dictator.

[UrbanWolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fJc1D33lFs4

You are not wrong.

[asmo]

Not wanting to add to the rumor mill too much, but both my wife and I have federal jobs and both of our offices have rumors that federal employees may be subject to the EO's to the tune of not being able to be employed if you own AW's, high cap mags or other NFA items. [fail][Rant2]

"Have you ever been a member of any group or organization that advocates the overthrow of the US government by force or violence?"

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government


Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

[asmo]

fJc1D33lFs4

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I hate the terminology "common sense gun control". That statement alone is designed to belittle and insult someone who opposes what they are saying. Mother fuckers.

PS good job "pro gun liberals" for your continued support in the regime. Sonsabitches.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[Pancho Villa]

Ayn Rand actually coined the phrase "argument by intimidation" where you try to frame an argument in such a way as to intimidate the other person into agreeing with you via an implied insult if they don't. "Common sense gun regulation" is (often) a form of that and you ought to (politely) snap to it and point out that you disagree as to what constitutes "common sense gun laws" and that's why you're discussing the issue.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I always find it amusing to hear Obama say "common sense" and "balanced" since he doesn't have any of the former and wouldn't know the latter if it hit him in the arse.

[merl]

so let me get this straight. registering all the semi automatic guns under NFA would take 100+ years at current rates and you are saying we would have to register magazines? of which there are 5x more as a guess?

next topic please

[Kraven251]

this made my day...


ProObama4life
I take it your a tin foil hat wearing gun toting lunatic teabagger, right?
followed by this:

WNQZH
I take it your an appartment dweller right?

[HoneyBadger]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-some-gun-control-measures-i-can-accomplish-through-executive-action_695381.html

[Teufelhund]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-some-gun-control-measures-i-can-accomplish-through-executive-action_695381.html

I think that's the first time I've seen a re-post inside the same thread. [werdo]

[HoneyBadger]

I think that's the first time I've seen a re-post inside the same thread. [werdo]


Where was the link? Sorry, I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but I was still going to try to contribute. [facepalm]

[Teufelhund]

Just poking fun. The link wasn't posted before, but your link is just the video embedded above, with a short transcript.

[HoneyBadger]

Just poking fun. The link wasn't posted before, but your link is just the video embedded above, with a short transcript.

Oh Sorry! The videos above didn't load for me (on my work computer), so i had no idea. Well, now you have a link to go with it! [Awesom] lol

[Ghosty]

Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.



An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?


Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.

[muddywings]

Not wanting to add to the rumor mill too much, but both my wife and I have federal jobs and both of our offices have rumors that federal employees may be subject to the EO's to the tune of not being able to be employed if you own AW's, high cap mags or other NFA items. [fail][Rant2]

Ugh...wrong time to become a GS. Just told everybody in my office I just sold all my weapons!
Uhhhhh...would military be considered a federal employees and subject to this as well? I have a few friends still in that might disagree with this one.

[waxthis]

Im soooooo confused.

[HoneyBadger]

Ugh...wrong time to become a GS. Just told everybody in my office I just sold all my weapons!
Uhhhhh...would military be considered a federal employees and subject to this as well? I have a few friends still in that might disagree with this one.

hahahaha Good luck!

[jreifsch80]

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.

i wonder how much i could get for my chinese 120rd ar drums after that?

[ScooterCO]

i wonder how much i could get for my chinese 120rd ar drums after that?


I thought you said, you lost that one in the boating accident?

Safe to bet it will rise in value, more that the stock market!

[MarkCO]

I thought you said, you lost that one in the boating accident?

Safe to bet it will rise in value, more that the stock market!

Probably enough to rent some diving equipment and see if you can find it. A little Naval jelly and it should be GTG.

[mutt]

Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.

Seriously? You're ok with having all your 'high capacity' feeding devices become NFA controlled items that require paperwork, serialization and a $200 tax stamp each? Or are you simply ok with it because none of it would affect you personally. As long as you get to keep what you have, infringing on others rights is acceptable? If that's the case then rest assured they'll be coming after whatever you have at some point in the future too. All of these things are small steps to the ultimate goal of a total ban on everything.

[def90]

Seriously? You're ok with having all your 'high capacity' feeding devices become NFA controlled items that require paperwork, serialization and a $200 tax stamp each? Or are you simply ok with it because none of it would affect you personally. As long as you get to keep what you have, infringing on others rights is acceptable? If that's the case then rest assured they'll be coming after whatever you have at some point in the future too. All of these things are small steps to the ultimate goal of a total ban on everything.

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Another Fudd on board.

[Storm]

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:



Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.


They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.



I hope I am wrong.


No offense, but I'll wait to hear it from the Jackasses' lips.

[Kraven251]

Sorta confused how he can EO any of this. Presidential Proclamation would be more like it, but still hard to see how he can make any of that stick legally. Not to mention the shit storm it would create with an already strained and pissed off firearms culture at all of the nonsensical, heavy handed, and quite frankly illegal proposals in the works.

[lowbeyond]

Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.

oh sure. I am with you. What could possibly go wrong if POTUS can just declare whatever he wants via EO. I mean think of all the money we could save by disbanding congress! Surely this is the way forward

[T-Jet]

Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.

Well - if you "doubt that very much that's all there is" then WHY IN THE WORLD can you "live with that"? The the camel's nose under the tent argument.

WTH is wrong with people not seeing this ?

Every one of you guys on this board that voted for the Kenyan Commie I will kick you in the n*ts when I get the chance. That's my first question to anyone I might sell a firearm to in the future. "Did you vote for Ovagina?" If so - then move on...

[jreifsch80]

there are seriously people on the board here that voted for the O?

[mutt]

Sorta confused how he can EO any of this. Presidential Proclamation would be more like it, but still hard to see how he can make any of that stick legally. Not to mention the shit storm it would create with an already strained and pissed off firearms culture at all of the nonsensical, heavy handed, and quite frankly illegal proposals in the works.

He has a bit of leeway on imported stuff since existing law has the 'sporting purpose' language in it. I don't see how he can make this apply to domestically produced items that aren't already specifically controlled. But then again I don't think he cares. Congress is in no shape to hold him to task on overstepping his authority and any legal challenges will be tied up in the courts for years. By the time it reaches SCOTUS he may have stacked it with judges sympathetic to him since one or more may retire by that time.

[hatidua]

Some of the 2A's worst enemies are amongst us. On another firearms forum, a long standing member said he was ok with magazines being limited to 10rds. As I sold him most of my 1911 mags several months ago when I left the .45 world, I knew it was because he is personally not affected.

Each little corner of the gun world is only worried about themselves.

I don't shoot pheasant, I guess I should be OK with banning all shotguns made by Purdey, -it's not like it will affect me....

[mutt]

Some of the 2A's worst enemies are amongst us. On another firearms forum, a long standing member said he was ok with magazines being limited to 10rds. As I sold him most of my 1911 mags several months ago when I left the .45 world, I knew it was because he is personally not affected.


These types of 2A 'supporters' really get to me. One day they're going to find the legal limit on a magazine to be ZERO. And they'll only have themselves to blame.

Personally I don't have a need for a 100 round drum but it doesn't mean I won't fight tooth and nail for others to have the right to own and use them. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[brokenscout]

It sounds to "light" to me, I think they will go after the 30rdrs.. And i'm pretty sure some one will give them what they want and the media will cover it like they usually do and make us all look bad..

[The Nuge]

Sorta confused how he can EO any of this. Presidential Proclamation would be more like it, but still hard to see how he can make any of that stick legally. Not to mention the shit storm it would create with an already strained and pissed off firearms culture at all of the nonsensical, heavy handed, and quite frankly illegal proposals in the works.

Great point. If he does do anything there is going to appeals and I'm sure it will be before the Supreme Court. The back log in filing paperwork to register every gun and mag will take years. Think how long it takes to process a silencer or go across state lines, currently? While it may take several months for the legal dust to settle, I'm still going to buy as much as I can, and support legal actions to reverse any of Obama's policies.

[Ronin13]

there are seriously people on the board here that voted for the O?
Nynco... and not positive, but pretty sure Rucker did too... [Shake]
BaileyGuns call this "oxymoron" (gun owners voting for a democrat). Read the 2012 Democratic Party Platform, they explicitly state "Gun Control" as one of their policies.

[ray1970]

I know there are a couple here who voted for him the first time around. I'll forgive them for that as they probably got caught up in the "hope and change" hype. But anyone here who voted for him the second time around is an idiot.


Sent without the Tapatalk signature to appease Ah Pook.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:



Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.


They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.



I hope I am wrong.


You're wrong and tight. Depending who you talk to. Me i'm in contact with my former atty now state rep on the east coast.
For the assholes here who can "LIVE WITH THAT" MENTALITY SELL YOUR SHIT AND GTFO the gun forums. Fucking idiots

[Gman]

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/14/16507554-obama-says-hell-vigorously-pursue-meaningful-assault-weapons-ban?lite=
Obama says he'll 'vigorously' pursue 'meaningful' assault weapons ban


"What you can count on is that the things that I've said in the past - the belief that we have to have stronger background checks, that we can do a much better job in terms of keeping these magazine clips with high capacity out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, an assault weapons ban that's meaningful - those are things I continue to believe make sense," Obama said during the final press conference of his first term.


Obama said that some measures, like the lifting of restrictions on how the federal government can collect data about guns, can be accomplished by executive order, while others will require legislation.

[Ghosty]

oh sure. I am with you. What could possibly go wrong if POTUS can just declare whatever he wants via EO. I mean think of all the money we could save by disbanding congress! Surely this is the way forward
I should clarify, I didn't mean by EO, I meant if that's all there was in the upcoming legislation, was a ban on >50 cap mags and belt feeds. All I've read is there is gonna be some news this week. I'm waiting like everyone else, for the real meat of what might happen, and if that means any EO...

[jreifsch80]

apparently BO wants to increase the size of dixie ;)

"In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live and die for Dixie".........

[Great-Kazoo]

I should clarify, I didn't mean by EO, I meant if that's all there was in the upcoming legislation, was a ban on >50 cap mags and belt feeds. All I've read is there is gonna be some news this week. I'm waiting like everyone else, for the real meat of what might happen, and if that means any EO...


Have you posted any factual info yet? Seriously anything of substance, facts, besides the crap you really don't have anything of substance .

GHOSTY
the chicken little of CO-ar13

You're like R13's alter ego.

[jim02]

Bunch of wimps, that is nothing, I would not even be effected by this nor would 99.99999% of people and no one is going to wink an eye at that.
This would be a major disappointment, it would do nothing for the anti gun people and it would do nothing to mobilize the Constitutional crowd.
Weak.

[Monky]

Whoa whoa whoa.. slow down guys.. According to Ronin from some very reliable 3 letter agency folks.. NOTHING is going to happen. [dig]

[spqrzilla]

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:



Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.


They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.



I hope I am wrong.

Except maybe the import ban, none of what is described has any statutory basis and so none of it would be a valid executive order. Its nonsense as described.

[Ghosty]

Have you posted any factual info yet? Seriously anything of substance, facts, besides the crap you really don't have anything of substance .

GHOSTY
the chicken little of CO-ar13

You're like R13's alter ego.
Meh, do you even know what "chicken little" means? And don't know who R13 is, nor care. Have a nice one old-timer.

[The Nuge]

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/14/republican-rep-threatens-to-file-articles-of-impeachment-against-obama-if-he-uses-executive-orders-to-enact-gun-control/

[Ghosty]

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/14/republican-rep-threatens-to-file-articles-of-impeachment-against-obama-if-he-uses-executive-orders-to-enact-gun-control/
That's badass, dudes got some balls, even if it doesn't go anywhere. Need people like that in Colorado's legislature fighting to stop the local state nonsense that DeGette & Perlmutter are probably trying to push.

[KevDen2005]

I heard he was going to declare bankruptcy for the entire United States.


I thought this already happened....

[CO303]

Not wanting to add to the rumor mill too much, but both my wife and I have federal jobs and both of our offices have rumors that federal employees may be subject to the EO's to the tune of not being able to be employed if you own AW's, high cap mags or other NFA items. [fail][Rant2]


I don't think so. Employment and civil rights acts prohibit this type of exclusion. My wife is an Investigator with a 3 letter agency and she has heard nothing on any fed action. For the "Tin-Foil" crowd; FEMA is also in her building and they haven't added tanks, personnel, weapons or a shit ton of money to that office either.

[Ingman]

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.

[SA Friday]

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.
Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

[Waywardson174]

Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown_Sheet_%26_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer), says you are correct good sirs.

[MuzzleFlash]

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.
I agree as to the legality. However, there is no statutory basis for requiring border state FFLs to report multiple long gun sales either. He pulled that out of his ass. Wanna bet what happens to a non-reporting FFL in his compliance check if he defies the rule?

[Zundfolge]

I would recommend that everyone send a letter of thank you and encouragement to Texas congressman Steve Stockman who has said he'll file articles of impeachment against Obozo (http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/gop-congressman-threatens-impeachment-if-obama-uses-executive-action-for-gun-control/) if he tries any gun control via illegal executive order.

And then write your own congress critters demanding they back him up on this.

[BPTactical]

Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

And the Arrogant One cares about rule of law just how?

[spqrzilla]

And the Arrogant One cares about rule of law just how?
He doesn't. But writing a completely bogus EO will only expose him to ridicule, since if he tries to enforce it the courts will slap him down.
Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

[MED]

Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

I see this happening.

[MuzzleFlash]

I would recommend that everyone send a letter of thank you and encouragement to Texas congressman Steve Stockman who has said he'llfile articles of impeachment against Obozo (http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/gop-congressman-threatens-impeachment-if-obama-uses-executive-action-for-gun-control/) if he tries any gun control via illegal executive order.

And then write your own congress critters demanding they back him up on this.Done. My critter is Perlmucker. Guess how much good that will do.

[sniper7]

Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.


I wont shoot you, but i will say that is a pathetic attitude. We should give up nothing. Compromise means getting something in return. I want to be able to buy full autos brand new even if it means a tax stamp. Suppressors should be over the counter. Give that up and we can talk mag limits.

[Gman]

The Emperor can kiss my ass before I kiss his ring.

[Clint45]

Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.

An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.




Well, that really sucks.

However: AK drums jam, ProMag and USA Mag 50rd mags jam and are ridiculously long, Beta Mags are selling for over $500, and belt fed semis are little more than novelty items.

Will plastic 50rd 10/22 mags be banned as well?

Holmes supposedly had a drum mag on his AR, which caused it to jam, thereby saving lives. Shitty drum mags = safer communities!

[Great-Kazoo]

Meh, do you even know what "chicken little" means? And don't know who R13 is, nor care. Have a nice one old-timer.

Out side of your reply, i still haven't seen you post any FACTUAL INFO.
BTW: The 3 letter people i "may or may not" know haven't heard shit.

[Aloha_Shooter]

He doesn't. But writing a completely bogus EO will only expose him to ridicule, since if he tries to enforce it the courts will slap him down.
Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

... because his history of OTHER bogus EOs has done so much to expose him to ridicule and the courts have done so much to slap him down ...

[argonstrom]

... because his history of OTHER bogus EOs has done so much to expose him to ridicule and the courts have done so much to slap him down ...

This.

[trlcavscout]

I was hangin out with some guys from sector 7 shootin the shit today, they said were fucked.

[Ridge]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/biden-guns-executive-actions-86187.html

[Zundfolge]

We're about to witness one of two things.

Either:
1) Obama (and by extension the rest of the Democrats) are about to over-reach so far that they destroy the left for decades to come (worse than the 1980 victory of Reagan).

or

2) We will soon get confirmation that the Republic and the Constitution are good and truly dead.


Interesting times indeed (in reference to the old Chinese curse).

[Kraven251]

19 Potential, but no real specifics on what they are, just more speculation ...grr.

[Waywardson174]

If the statements there are legit and it is interagency communication, I'd say the NRA did its job and we can breath a sigh of relief.

On to the state level.

[trlcavscout]

I heard 1 of them is that obama is personally going to Jim's house tonight to have tea and take his guns? I heard it from a reputable cartel arms supplier at the beer, chips, and dip office.

[lowspeed_highdrag]

King Obama readies his royal scepter, reportedly to wave over his subjects and announce his new edicts.

[Rucker61]

The executive actions could include giving the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention authority to conduct national research on guns, more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws and pushing for wider sharing of existing gun databases among federal and state agencies". These seem reasonable to me, especially if the last one leads to nationwide reciprocity for CCW (exempting Ill. and NY, of course).

[loveski]

I have no problem with exercising and enforcing current laws.. That seems like what he wants to do with these EO's

[Gman]

And Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Democrats’ Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, said the magazine ban and universal background checks would be far more effective than an assault weapons ban without the political cost.

“Probably the most recognizable thing you can say in this debate is ban assault weapons,” Thompson said. “But the other two issues” — forbidding high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring universal background checks for gun purchases — “those two things have more impact on making our neighborhoods safe than everything else combined.
In God I trust. Everyone else, bring data. I believe that is purely opinion and conjecture without a modicum of fact.

[Ghosty]

I can't believe how daft and uninformed these mental midgets are. Sorry if a repost, but I only heard this on the radio (94.7 KRKS) on the ride home from class. New York & Cuomo are about to go full-on overboard, even if no surprise. SEVEN ROUND LIMIT on mags, register all scary "military style" guns even if with only a telescoping stock, and more idiocy...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/cuomo-new-york-guns/1833271/

[Rooskibar03]

Im going with #2. The progressive movement in this country has taken hold and a complete collapse is the only thing that will stop them. Unfortunately it will take the rest of us down also.



We're about to witness one of two things.

Either:
1) Obama (and by extension the rest of the Democrats) are about to over-reach so far that they destroy the left for decades to come (worse than the 1980 victory of Reagan).

or

2) We will soon get confirmation that the Republic and the Constitution are good and truly dead.


Interesting times indeed (in reference to the old Chinese curse).

[Ghosty]

Out side of your reply, i still haven't seen you post any FACTUAL INFO.
BTW: The 3 letter people i "may or may not" know haven't heard shit.
Excuse me in advance if I'm not understanding you. You said Chicken Little like I'm screaming about the sky is falling and we're all fucked. Facts about what, the OP, or that we haven't seen anything yet so there are no "facts" as of yet? I'm sure we'll see some any day now. Unless you just mean "chicken", that I won't take the "ALL or nothing" no compromise stand with a lot of gun owners, then I do understand. But I just prefer a viable alternative to all out bloody mutiny, sorry. (actually no apologies on that one). I value my family's (and my own) well-being over going to jail, or bloody mutiny.


I wont shoot you, but i will say that is a pathetic attitude. We should give up nothing. Compromise means getting something in return. I want to be able to buy full autos brand new even if it means a tax stamp. Suppressors should be over the counter. Give that up and we can talk mag limits.
See above reply to Jim. Plus I agree, I want to buy everything we can now, even auto with registration, etc. Everything we can do after the last AW expired. But I also see what has happened these past few years, and especially this year, so I'm not gonna bury my head in the sand and pretend the rest of the nation will stand firm against NO NEW laws whatsoever. If you think we'd get away that easy, I think that is more denial then me saying >50 Cap Mags and belts/drums (or whatever was mentioned in the OP list) isn't the most horrible thing that could happen. I do love the debate though, as long as people are civil, open-minded, and not insulting.

[MuzzleFlash]

I wont shoot you, but i will say that is a pathetic attitude. We should give up nothing. Compromise means getting something in return. I want to be able to buy full autos brand new even if it means a tax stamp. Suppressors should be over the counter. Give that up and we can talk mag limits.
Full autos are no fun with < 1 second mag dumps :)

[AR15]

[sroz]

I heard 1 of them is that obama is personally going to Jim's house tonight to have tea and take his guns? I heard it from a reputable cartel arms supplier at the beer, chips, and dip office.

Is your source from BCD? That 3 letter government organization that's so secret no one's ever heard of it.

[trlcavscout]

Is your source from BCD? That 3 letter government organization that's so secret no one's ever heard of it.

No its SBD but shoosh dont tell.

[Ridge]

No its SBD but shoosh dont tell.

?

http://i.imgur.com/5ET01.jpg

[sniper7]

Full autos are no fun with < 1 second mag dumps :)

[AR15]

yeah...when they are 7 round mags!!![LOL]

[The Nuge]

After all the trouble we went through to keep the british out of our new colony, we let Piers Morgan in.

[Slapps74]

I was hangin out with some guys from sector 7 shootin the shit today, they said were fucked.

Hahahahahaha!

[Ghosty]

Yeah...when they are 7 round mags!!!
Cuomo and Bloomberg are such titanic brain donors, I would never move to NY, even if my job paid three times as much there. Colorado better not follow suit with their dumb ass's proposed new legislation that came out today.

[KAPA]

Cuomo and Bloomberg are such titanic brain donors, I would never move to NY, even if my job paid three times as much there. Colorado better not follow suit with their dumb ass's proposed new legislation that came out today.


It passed... You better start writing your elected officials quick! If we arent careful, the whole state will have an AWB and a mag limit of 10 rounds or less. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/mail/?alertid=61046526&type=ML&MC_targets=

[mahabali]

It passed... You better start writing your elected officials quick! If we arent careful, the whole state will have an AWB and a mag limit of 10 rounds or less. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/mail/?alertid=61046526&type=ML&MC_targets=

Unbelievable

[Fmedges]

?

http://i.imgur.com/5ET01.jpg

The Dauntless is badass

[Ingman]

I agree as to the legality. However, there is no statutory basis for requiring border state FFLs to report multiple long gun sales either. He pulled that out of his ass. Wanna bet what happens to a non-reporting FFL in his compliance check if he defies the rule?

That argument isn't so clear cut. Congress has already required the reporting of multiple handgun sales under 18 U.S.C. § 923(g)(3)(A) - this is clearly a statutory requirement. The ATF is claiming they can demand reports of multiple longgun sales under 18 U.S.C. § 923(g)(5)(A) which reads:


Each licensee shall, when required by letter issued by the Attorney General, and until notified to the contrary in writing by the Attorney General, submit on a form specified by the Attorney General, for periods and at the times specified in such letter, all record information required to be kept by this chapter or such lesser record information as the Attorney General in such letter may specify.

That subsection generally allows the ATF to demand any records they want, usually for purposes of some specific investigation they are carrying out. What is new here is that the ATF is using that authority for a fishing expedition that involves thousands of FFLs.

To me this looks like a slippery slope. If the ATF can demand that many records as part of a general investigation into "gun trafficking" then what is to stop them from demanding ALL records and basically building a database of all FFL-based gun transactions?

Anyway, before this gets too long winded, my point is to make a distinction between multiple long-gun reporting and the idea of hypothetically redefining magazines as NFA destructive devices. The requirement for multiple long-gun reporting is a novel use of an existing statute. "Destructive devices" have a very clear statutory definition that cannot have things arbitrarily added to it. There is simply no way that the executive branch can add magazines to the definition of "destructive devices", although I'm not putting past them to find some other way to dick with magazines.

My biggest concern is what they can do to imports. It didn't even require a formal Executive Order, and Chinese guns and ammunition are still prohibited twenty years after Clinton acted. How cheap would ammunition be now if Chinese factories were still pumping the below out like they used to?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/6326151224/8392359/4bceeef8258b9b3ae4816fad3e8b7340.jpg

[Great-Kazoo]

I can't believe how daft and uninformed these mental midgets are. Sorry if a repost, but I only heard this on the radio (94.7 KRKS) on the ride home from class. New York & Cuomo are about to go full-on overboard, even if no surprise. SEVEN ROUND LIMIT on mags, register all scary "military style" guns even if with only a telescoping stock, and more idiocy...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/cuomo-new-york-guns/1833271/

The part about LE or a medical professional being allowed to "determine" if you are unsuitable to be in possession of a firearm including confiscation itself is tantamount to gestapo tactics. It will only take 1 perhaps 2 east coasters who feel they have nothing to lose, to look for confrontation.

They have gone full tilt in ny.

[Great-Kazoo]

My biggest concern is what they can do to imports. It didn't even require a formal Executive Order, and Chinese guns and ammunition are still prohibited twenty years after Clinton acted. How cheap would ammunition be now if Chinese factories were still pumping the below out like they used to?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/6326151224/8392359/4bceeef8258b9b3ae4816fad3e8b7340.jpg

Actually Bush 1 enacted the import ban which led to PC t/hole furniture, neutered rifles and no russian or chi-com ammo. Clinton just solidified the law. At 1 point (once again history repeating) 7.62x39 was running $400+ per case. That embargo of com bloc ammo in turn gave us a plethora of SA mfg ammo.

[Zundfolge]

If the ATF can demand that many records as part of a general investigation into "gun trafficking" then what is to stop them from demanding ALL records and basically building a database of all FFL-based gun transactions?
The 1986 FOPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act), which expressly forbids the Federal Government from maintaining a database of non NFA guns or gun owners.

[Dave_L]

The 1986 FOPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act), which expressly forbids the Federal Government from maintaining a database of non NFA guns or gun owners.

At least until he enacts an EO to consider AR's and the likes NFA items.

[rockhound]

At least until he enacts an EO to consider AR's and the likes NFA items.

this would certainly be on the table for him, he has no qualms taking away your rights (guns) Because it worked so well in chicago

[asmo]

The 1986 FOPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act), which expressly forbids the Federal Government from maintaining a database of non NFA guns or gun owners.

Yet the FTS still exists.. amazing how that works.

Their justification -- it may help in criminal prosecutions in the future. Law stepped around sucessfully. Signed off on by the DOJ.

[Zundfolge]

At least until he enacts an EO to consider AR's and the likes NFA items.

this would certainly be on the table for him

No, its not. Items cannot be added to the NFA list by any means other than legislation.

[Dave_L]

No, its not. Items cannot be added to the NFA list by any means other than legislation.

Ah, ok. That's good to know. I thought that was one way he could use an EO to help his cause. Glad I was wrong.

[rockhound]

No, its not. Items cannot be added to the NFA list by any means other than legislation.

he is looking at everything he can do by eo, what would be the difference in adding it to the NFA or making registration manadory, and making all sales go FFL, so its not on the official NFA list, the results are the same, there will be a tax added to it and you will have had to register your firearm to keep it, I would expect that you may have to also fill out a 4473 on anything you bought FTF

i see the results as the same

[Clint45]

No, its not. Items cannot be added to the NFA list by any means other than legislation.

What about: Cobray Street Sweeper, Striker 12, USAS-12? Weren't all three shotguns declared NFA via EO under Clinton?

[Great-Kazoo]

What about: Cobray Street Sweeper, Striker 12, USAS-12? Weren't all three shotguns declared NFA via EO under Clinton?

DD. Destructive Devices

[Zundfolge]

What about: Cobray Street Sweeper, Striker 12, USAS-12? Weren't all three shotguns declared NFA via EO under Clinton?

They already fell under one of the definitions of a destructive device (bore over .5").

There is nothing about semi auto rifles or large capacity magazines that already exists in the law so the law would have to be changed to accommodate moving them to NFA status.


That's not to say Oblowme might not try it anyway, but there would be a legal pretext to overturn his EO.

[mahabali]

Just said it will be tomorrow


http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/01/obama-to-announce-gun-plans-wednesday-154239.html?hp=f2


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/15/white-house-to-announce-gun-plans-wednesday/?wpisrc=al_comboNP_p (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/15/white-house-to-announce-gun-plans-wednesday/?wpisrc=al_comboNP_p)

[Gman]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/15/meese_obama_could_be_impeached_if_he_uses_executiv e_order_for_gun_control.html
Meese: Obama Could Be Impeached If He Uses Executive Order For Gun Control

[Aloha_Shooter]

The problem with everyone salivating about impeachment is there is no way they will get the requisite votes to convict him in Harry Reid's Senate even if the House were to pass articles of impeachment. Get back to nagging state and federal representatives to focus on things that work and dropping measures that violate the Constitution.

[TS12000]

SC leading the way introducing a bill to take the spirit of the Firearms Freedom Act and apply it to EO's

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/bills/224.htm

[Mtn.man]

http://nagr.org/randvideo.aspx?pid=fb1

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

What radio station will the bullshit spew from his mouth be on?

[Madeinhb]

What radio station will the bullshit spew from his mouth be on?

I'm sure all of them

[BigDee]

The problem with everyone salivating about impeachment is there is no way they will get the requisite votes to convict him in Harry Reid's Senate even if the House were to pass articles of impeachment. Get back to nagging state and federal representatives to focus on things that work and dropping measures that violate the Constitution.

Not only that but anyone who tries will be labeled a racist and the media will do everything they can to ruin that persons image and political career.