Here we go (obama on gun control on fox right now)

[cofi]

figured we can keep all the comments in one thread

edit

What's released by the WH..

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Fox news live coverage.. http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606218001/

[jackthewall81]

Updates would be appreciated

[cofi]

looks like obamas signing executive orders today....yikes

[mahabali]

Lots of bullshit coming out of their mouths... Have some diverse looking kids on stage.

[CrufflerSteve]

Here come the kids.

[blacklabel]

Laugh it up while you trash the constitution asshole.

[SuperiorDG]

I can't watch. Tell me what happens.

[jhirsh5280]

Sounds like Obama is more influenced by 3rd Grader's letters than adults who make decisions for the country.

[hollohas]

The kids have personally asked for this, and we have to listen...

[HBARleatherneck]

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[jhirsh5280]

23 EO's to be signed today

[hollohas]

He will sign EO's as soon as he is done talking.

[hollohas]

And crazies are usually victims, not criminals.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[cofi]

anyone else feel like ftf sales are going to be deaded today??

[Rooskibar03]

Universal background check.

[jhirsh5280]

Universal background check for all gun purchases, both dealer and individual

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Monky]

I might have the flu.. or it might be the BS spewing out of his mouth.. I'll know as soon as he finishes speaking.

[jhirsh5280]

AWB and 10 round limit on mags

[Rooskibar03]

10 round mags

[HBARleatherneck]

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[hollohas]

Will ask congress for AWB and magazine capacity limit.

Damn, you guys type faster than me.

[jhirsh5280]

"Majority of Americans agree with us on this".... Quoting Ronald Regan now...

[CrufflerSteve]

Here they come. Did 900 people die from guns last month? I'd like to see a breakdown of how many were gang related. After all gangs will be law abiding with guns.

Background checks strengthened. Not quite armed guards in schools. Medical research into gun violence. Video games in that research. Impartial? Hah!

Congress: No private sales. 1.5 million wrong people prevented by background checks? Restore ban on military style weapons and 10 round limit. He's invoking Reagan! Prosecute straw men.

[cofi]

who the hell is todd jones

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[hollohas]

Want congress to confirm new ATF chief, prosecute straw buyers...wonder if that includes Holder?

[Kraven251]

he didn't mention VT ...since he used legal 10rnd magazines

[blacklabel]

It has the support of the majority of the American people.

Tyranny.

[cofi]

.wonder if that includes Holder?

so true

[CrufflerSteve]

2nd Amendment = hunters! So far not as bad as I expected. Like everything about Obama not many specifics, just rhetoric.

[yjsaindon]

It IS a tyrannical all out assult on liberty!!!

[hollohas]

He just said that anyone that warns of tyranny is just using fear tactics.

[jhirsh5280]

Punishing law abiding citizens. He's failing to recognize that those who wish to commit evil will not abide by laws to do so

[mtnrider]

Notice he used Aurora "assault weapon" example and not Sandy hook? Just goes to show no asualt weapon used there

[mahabali]

He is SOOOO full of shit.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[blacklabel]

Notice he used Aurora "assault weapon" example and not Sandy hook? Just goes to show no asualt weapon used there

I caught that.

[Jer]

Here they come. Did 900 people die from guns last month? I'd like to see a breakdown of how many were gang related. After all gangs will be law abiding with guns.

Background checks strengthened. Not quite armed guards in schools. Medical research into gun violence. Video games in that research. Impartial? Hah!

Congress: No private sales. 1.5 million wrong people prevented by background checks? Restore ban on military style weapons and 10 round limit. He's invoking Reagan! Prosecute straw men.

More importantly, I'd like to see how many people were killed in areas that already have strict gun laws since that seems to be more where this sort of thing happens. I bet he doesn't mention that though.

[hollohas]

Wonder when we'll find out what these 23 EO's are...

[mahabali]

Its for the Children. This is absolute bullshit. And who is this audience? All anti gunners?

[CrufflerSteve]

He's smarter than I expected. Few scary details. He's trying to drive a divide gun folk and and laying the ground for anybody who opposes him is a fearmongering whore.

[Stevensje]

Get to it! What are you signing?

[Great-Kazoo]

Why Not? because Mr. president we value our FREEDOM, That's WHY NOT!

[Jer]

He just said that anyone that warns of tyranny is just using fear tactics.

Yeah, unlike him and his backers.

[Dryfli]

AR ban 10 rnd limit.....

[jhirsh5280]

Saying those that dont support AWB are against children dying. Pathetic!

[hollohas]

We have certain unalienable rights...BUT, we have a responsibility too...

[mahabali]

This is Soviet level propaganda.

Here are the EOs

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.


2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.


3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.


4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.


5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.


6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.


7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.


8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).


9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.


10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.


11. Nominate an ATF director.


12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.


13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.


14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.


15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.


16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.


17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.


18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.


19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.


20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.


21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.


22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.


23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

[blacklabel]

And the right fear mongers? Sweet Fuck.

[Dave]

Get to it! What are you signing?
Found this on Yahoo.

Here is a White House-provided fact sheet listing his "executive actions."
Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions
Today, the President is announcing that he and the Administration will:


Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
Nominate an ATF director.
Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

[hollohas]

High fives for the kids.

[mahabali]

Giving the Kids high fives now and signing the orders.

[jhirsh5280]

Never mentioned what the 23 EO's were

[mtnrider]

Wait for it .... wait for it ..... here come the tears...

[cofi]

here come the orders

[CrufflerSteve]

He's signed them off mike. Is the text posted online?

[mahabali]

Now hugging the ethnically diverse children.

[cofi]

wtf are the orders

[ChunkyMonkey]

molon labe!

[mahabali]

He's signed them off mike. Is the text posted online?

See above, I just posted them

[cofi]

what kind of shit is this

[ChunkyMonkey]

What's released by the WH..

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Sorry reposting what Dave did

[jhirsh5280]

Most interesting one:

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Repealing part of his own health care law/tax?

[hollohas]

So basically, they will give more money to medicare to treat mental illness, make sure doctors report who has guns and give private health information to the government. Nice.

[CrufflerSteve]

Slate has a summary: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orde rs_and_legislation_on.html

[waxthis]

Hmmm...So far so good, the AW ban will never make it through Congress. They might however do a mag restriction just to keep the peace.

[mahabali]

I feel much safer now. Evil guns wont be able to kill children anymore.

[Dingo]

His reach with EO's doesn't infringe as badly as people think. I'm not even worried about an AWB being reinstated federally. I'm worried about Colorado - those traitors can push through anything they want here. We've become so inundated with bleeding-heart West Coasters that the state would happily trade those "inalienable" rights for the ability to smoke dope legally. Keep them all placid and stoned while the constitution is eroded a piece at a time.

[Byte Stryke]

what kind of shit is this

The Executive kind

[loveski]

I have to admit.. I was expecting much worse

[Busta Prima]

They might however do a mag restriction just to keep the peace.

Which is worse.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Hmmm...So far so good, the AW ban will never make it through Congress. They might however do a mag restriction just to keep the peace.

Yeah, until your neighbor call cops for open carry or doing FTF transaction in the parking lot, and the police department psychiatrist declares you are unfit to own a gun - because a sane person does not have the need to own an 'assault weapon.'

[hollohas]

I have to admit.. I was expecting much worse

And that's EXACTLY what they wanted your response to be. They're hoping some of us will now go back to sleep...

[wARmachine15]

So does the EO now require FTF private party background checks effective immediately or no?

[muddywings]

Hmmm...So far so good, the AW ban will never make it through Congress. They might however do a mag restriction just to keep the peace.

yeah...umm...agree...most of it I could give a shit about. Won't help, but from my quick glance won't hurt either.

Doc, "turn your head a cough"
Me, *cough*
Doc, "so do you have any guns in your house."
Me, "nope"
Doc, "have a good day"
Me, "you too" (thank GOD I didn't get the greasy finger)

edit: I don't think congress will get a mag restriction through either....

[ChunkyMonkey]

Don't stop writing, emailing, calling your reps. The king has encouraged his supporters to put pressure on congress.

[muddywings]

And that's EXACTLY what they wanted your response to be. They're hoping some of us will now go back to sleep...

I'm about to re-hit that ruger link.

[mahabali]

So does the EO now require FTF private party background checks effective immediately or no?

No, that was not an EO. He will need Congress for this one.

[hollohas]

the AW ban will never make it through Congress.

I'm wouldn't be so sure.

[Jer]

Hmmm...So far so good, the AW ban will never make it through Congress. They might however do a mag restriction just to keep the peace.

Bullshit! That's why they'are asking for the stars because they KNOW people will settle somewhere in the middle. It's already too much. Magazine capacity restrictions do NOTHING to save anyone and I will be damned if I support my representatives to agree with such bullshit laws in the name of safety. People need to stop saying shit like this like it's already happened too because the more times we hear it the more people start to believe it. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET. We should ALL be up in arms about NOTHING happening either. Stop with the appeasement statements because I'm done. My lawn has been drawn and I urge the rest of you to do the same. We haven't he duty as citizens of this great nation to practice civil disobedience whenever the laws are unfair and unjust.

[Inconel710]

Guess I'll be lying to my doctor. Last time I was asked I was still active duty - gave the doctor a funny look and said "Of course I spend time around guns, I'm in the military?!" That got me a lecture about lead exposure and children. [ROFL1]

[Ronin13]

Don't stop writing, emailing, calling your reps. The king has encouraged his supporters to put pressure on congress.
THIS!

After seeing that speech, this is all that came to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1FFVWEQnSM

[CrufflerSteve]

His reach with EO's doesn't infringe as badly as people think. I'm not even worried about an AWB being reinstated federally. I'm worried about Colorado - those traitors can push through anything they want here. We've become so inundated with bleeding-heart West Coasters that the state would happily trade those "inalienable" rights for the ability to smoke dope legally. Keep them all placid and stoned while the constitution is eroded a piece at a time.

Damned right! We've all been focusing on the national when we have a Dem gov and legislature. Now's its time to let them know we are watching. I live in Douglas county and have written real letters to let them know I'm now single issue. If you live in any district with a mixed voter makeup let them know how you feel.

[Inconel710]

Don't stop writing, emailing, calling your reps. The king has encouraged his supporters to put pressure on congress.

+1 - Now's not the time to let up. I think there's enough Republicans and conservative Democrats to keep another AWB from passing, but I expect they're going to pass something we won't like.

[muddywings]

As Dingo said above, more worried about CO representatives going full retard. Glad I live in El Paso--I could see us being one of the few islands in a small sea of stupidity called CO.

[waxthis]

"Plus the president wants to commit $4 billion to hiring more police officers, and to pass new gun trafficking laws to explicitly prohibit straw purchasing. "


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/16/obama-urges-new-restrictions-on-assault-weapons-magazines-as-part-gun-control/#ixzz2IA0aCA9B

HUH? Ya, that will help. Now it more illegal?

[Byte Stryke]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


Doctor: So, are there any firearms in the Home?
Me: "I WANT A LAWYER! I AM BEING INTERROGATED!"

[SideShow Bob]

Not that bad ?

A beefed up AWB

10 round magazine clip limit.

Universal BGC.

More invasion of privacy.

I don't know about you, but that is bad, next you will need a bar code tattooed on your arm to own a firearm.

[mahabali]

I just wrote all my reps again. (Not that it does much good).

I am going to sign the wifey up for the NRA too right now.

[MarkCO]

Making it a health issue...You mouth off to the Doctor and you will be decalred mentally unift and they come for the guns...

[Rucker61]

"Plus the president wants to commit $4 billion to hiring more police officers, and to pass new gun trafficking laws to explicitly prohibit straw purchasing. "


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/16/obama-urges-new-restrictions-on-assault-weapons-magazines-as-part-gun-control/#ixzz2IA0aCA9B

HUH? Ya, that will help. Now it more illegal?

None more illegal.

[merl]

we dodged a bullet. he admitted he cannot do anything (and did less than he could have IMO) and proposed stuff to congress, where it will die.

[muddywings]

Doctor: So, are there any firearms in the Home?
Me: "I WANT A LAWYER! I AM BEING INTERROGATED!"

So will doctors be deputized? [tinhat] and: [teabag] just because

[buffalobo]

#5 & #6 of those listed are very troubling and what he asked congress to do is traitorous. The rest is just so he can claim action.

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[Byte Stryke]

Making it a health issue...You mouth off to the Doctor and you will be decalred mentally unift and they come for the guns...

Doctor: So Mark, you a religious man?
Mark: We go to church kinda regular
Doctor: So tell me more about this omnipotent old man living in the clouds and the Virgin birth...

[MarkCO]

we dodged a bullet. he admitted he cannot do anything (and did less than he could have IMO) and proposed stuff to congress, where it will die.

Horse puckey. With ObamaCare, CPSC and CDC now folded in, he has opened new paths for confiscation and regulation. Pretty slick, and this is how we will be disarmed. We screamed mental health...soon NASCAR dads will be declared metally unfit and be prohibited from firearms ownership. They have already greased the skids of paranoia in the entire gun community! There are not enough sheepdogs in the US.

[hollohas]

These guys aren't stupid. The whole purpose of this press conference was to appease the middle of the road gun owners...to quiet them, to reduce the numbers of those fighting on our side. This was simply pre-attack propaganda to get get more natives on their side.

And I give you Exhibit A.


we dodged a bullet. he admitted he cannot do anything (and did less than he could have IMO) and proposed stuff to congress, where it will die.

[wreave]

Wasn't that bad.

I don't like the issue with doctors asking about guns, but the Affordable Care Act does prohibit them recording the information or sharing it. My doctor won't ask me - he's ex-military.

The other stuff has to go to Congress. I just hope my back-ordered pmags come in soon (they're for gifts, of course, since the boating accident).

[cofi]

#5 & #6 of those listed are very troubling and what he asked congress to do is traitorous. The rest is just so he can claim action.

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dont the police allready do that? my buddy got all his guns taken and had to have a backround done to get them back

[alxone]

maybe im missing it but the EO's didn't seem to cover a ban on guns so much as it enables the gov to take them slowly in the name of health.but maybe im reading it wrong [Dunno]

[Fmedges]

Not that bad ?

A beefed up AWB

10 round magazine clip limit.

Universal BGC.

More invasion of privacy.

I don't know about you, but that is bad, next you will need a bar code tattooed on your arm to own a firearm.

He just suggested that congress pass these. His EO's didn't really do much of anything.

[BPTactical]

I didn't figure he would mention the TRUE of the Second.
And dancing around the other rights, twisting the pursuit of happiness.......[puke]

[mtnrider]

These guys aren't stupid. The whole purpose of this press conference was to appease the middle of the road gun owners...to quiet them, to reduce the numbers of those fighting on our side. This was simply pre-attack propaganda to get get more natives on their side.

And I give you Exhibit A.

I agree. Don't let your gaurd down for one minute. While we are breathing a sigh of relief he will be coming in the back door. Cause that's the kind of guy he is ....

[n8tive97]

The NRA's response to this dictator better be damn good!

[sellersm]

#2 should raise the hairs on the back of your neck!! Talk about invasion of privacy: 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

"unnecessary legal barriers"? How about OUR RIGHTS?

Who runs the background check system?

This is a HUGE open door to no more privacy, especially when it's combined with #16 as has been previously mentioned.

C'mon people: these pragmatic, outcome-based rationales for stripping us of our rights is 'death by 1000 cuts' and will not end well for us citizens. Study history. Especially study the history of Germany. One little step at a time. One little, seemingly unrelated freedom that was given up. To what end?

[Zundfolge]

This was a photo-op, dog and pony show.

No substance. (and that's a good thing).


The worst parts he's going to "ask congress" for ... which he likely won't get.



Overall this went better than I expected, but yes that's no excuse for backing down.

[mahabali]

He just suggested that congress pass these. His EO's didn't really do much of anything.

He basically said Congress are a bunch of baby killers if they dont.

[Jer]

Wasn't that bad.

I don't like the issue with doctors asking about guns, but the Affordable Care Act does prohibit them recording the information or sharing it. My doctor won't ask me - he's ex-military.

The other stuff has to go to Congress. I just hope my back-ordered pmags come in soon (they're for gifts, of course, since the boating accident).

I see. So as long as it doesn't affect you personally it's of no concern.. right?

[Ghosty]

Now hugging the ethnically diverse children.
Hahahaa, I actually really LOL'd when I read this. Yeah, definitely picked a nice white girl, white boy, black boy, latina girl, perfect, but WHERE WAS THE AZHEN?! I call racism. :D


I have to admit.. I was expecting much worse
I was too, not that I'm happy about any of it, nor will I let up on the letters to Colorado legislators. But I'm glad about ONE thing, they included a bunch of mental health proposals, but we'll see what devils are in the details after full disclosure...


After seeing that speech, this is all that came to mind:
Yeah I never knew Lucas was a Libertarian, until I saw that movie, heh.


As Dingo said above, more worried about CO representatives going full retard. Glad I live in El Paso--I could see us being one of the few islands in a small sea of stupidity called CO.
Yep!


A beefed up AWB.
Yep, I'm sure we're all dying to find exactly how "beefed up". Until then, keep pressuring the idiots. EVEN IF DeGette, etc. might be lost causes with deaf ears.

[Mtn.man]

What did you expect?
When you are setting yourself up to become supreme ruler and dictator, you must sneak up on it and gain the "trust" of the majority so when you take over it will be at the lowest cost of collateral damage.

[Ronin13]

Everyone saying there's little substance... Am I the only one who caught more of his divisive language, he's trying to turn the country against gun owners... "C'mon Bill, you're a gun owner, you gotta say you agree that something​ must be done!" I caught that, and I don't think something outside of relaxing on CCW laws should be done. FBO!

[waxthis]

Bullshit! That's why they'are asking for the stars because they KNOW people will settle somewhere in the middle. It's already too much. Magazine capacity restrictions do NOTHING to save anyone and I will be damned if I support my representatives to agree with such bullshit laws in the name of safety. People need to stop saying shit like this like it's already happened too because the more times we hear it the more people start to believe it. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET. We should ALL be up in arms about NOTHING happening either. Stop with the appeasement statements because I'm done. My lawn has been drawn and I urge the rest of you to do the same. We haven't he duty as citizens of this great nation to practice civil disobedience whenever the laws are unfair and unjust.


Agreed. However in this politically charged climate, and the fact that those ass hats politicians only care about their own butts and future, there will be concessions from both parties. I don’t believe for a second that anyone here is naive enough to believe that life in general works in any other way. Not saying I like it, but it is what it is. I for one will resist any further erosion of our rights through letters, petitions word of mouth etc…, However, I’m not dumb enough to believe it’s a battle we can win 100 percent without an all out civil war....

[hollohas]

No substance. (and that's a good thing).



No Substance is NOT a good thing. We didn't get any substance prior to the Health Care bill passing and look how that turned out. No substance is worse than substance. Substance at least tells us what we need to foucs our fight on. No subtance just allows them to continue to paint true 2nd supporters as "unresonable".

[alxone]

maybe im missing it but the EO's didn't seem to cover a ban on guns so much as it enables the gov to take them slowly in the name of health.but maybe im reading it wrong [Dunno]also am i wrong in thinking that mags will still be available for sale until congress does or does not do whatever ?

[Rooskibar03]

Just got an email from (not so) Cheaper than dirt. Magazines are now all of sudden available.

99 bucks for a GI issue colt, 599 for a beta mag.

Im guessing we will see several online sellers release what they have today.

[Stevensje]

You dr won't directly ask you. It will be on some form you have to fill out.

[strm_trpr]

well f@ck

[hollohas]

This press conference was EXACTLY what I expected it to be. In the sense that there was no major attack on the 2nd...just secretive groundwork being laid and appeasements being made to middle of the road types.

[tmleadr03]

Whole lot of nothing.

[Marlin]

Somewhere in hell, Hitler is crying tears of joy that his star student is learning so well.

[Mtn.man]

You dr won't directly ask you. It will be on some form you have to fill out.


It is PRIVATE information. Check NOYFB.

[waxthis]

Perhaps we should all CC our weapon in our chocolate starfishe's next time we visit the doc.......[LOL]

[Dave]

He basically said Congress are a bunch of baby killers if they dont.
He pretty much called us baby killer supporters anyways. This was like a few others said, a photo op with him and kids and this way when conservatives in congress don't pass what he wants he gets to blame them. Biggest problem with mental health cases that I see is the bureaucracy for getting off if you are on there mistakenly or you are deemed better after treatments. Like other gov't lists it will be easy to get on the bad list, but near impossible to get off of it without a lawyer. Or military and vets who like me and I know more than a few others here that have been to Iraq and Afghanistan that get labeled PTSD by a military or VA doctor. They would likely get hosed trying to get VA to take them off the list.

[sellersm]

Here's the whole thing in a document: http://www.scribd.com/doc/120649771/THE-WHITE-HOUSE-S-OFFICIAL-LIST-OF-GUN-PROPOSAL

[MED]

They are setting this up as a campaign issue in 2014. They hope to gain as many moderate votes as possible from soccer moms and their whimp husbands as possible. The terms they are using strike nerves with these people, and trying to redirect and educate the public will be difficult. There will be considerable pressure put on our congressmen and senators from both sides over the next two years.

The problem now is the Colorado State Legislature...they have the votes in both houses to pass AWB and Magazine Capacity Limits.

WE HAVE A HUGE FIGHT ON OUR HANDS!!!

Obama is one first class pussy; nice of him to make the VP's face the target of gun grabbing in the White House. I have my thoughts on this but I will keep them to myself.

[sellersm]

It is PRIVATE information. Check NOYFB.

see my previous post about #2 in the list of proposals, and how it relates to #16.... He doesn't want it private any longer.

[sellersm]

Somewhere in hell, Hitler is crying tears of joy that his star student is learning so well.

Exactly!

[tmleadr03]

Just got an email from (not so) Cheaper than dirt. Magazines are now all of sudden available.

99 bucks for a GI issue colt, 599 for a beta mag.

Im guessing we will see several online sellers release what they have today.


So does this mean my extra 17 round mags for my M&P are worth even more? You heard it here first! I will sell you my mags for only 100 a pop!

[sellersm]

Somewhere in hell, Hitler is crying tears of joy that his star student is learning so well.

We can't handle the truth, it's a complicated problem and "they" need to fix it for us: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-15/us-government-claims-%E2%80%93-just-nazis-%E2%80%93-truth-too-complicated-and-dangerous-discl

[Ghosty]

We can't handle the truth, it's a complicated problem and "they" need to fix it for us: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-15/us-government-claims-%E2%80%93-just-nazis-%E2%80%93-truth-too-complicated-and-dangerous-discl
Damn, that's a scary read. But thanks for posting, good info and great food for thought. Frustrating as it might be.

[jhl247]

How are we going to pay for these ideas? A: Tax gun ownership and religion.

What happened to the budget debate and debt cliff? A: New treasury Secretary will take care of it.

Like something out of South Park... Johnny Cochran presents Exhibit A... "Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewok)? That does not make sense! "

[OneGuy67]

He asked for Congress to pass legislation on 5 things:

1). Enact a universal Background Check for all purchases, retail or private (with exceptions for family)
2). Enact another Assault Weapons Ban and limit magazines to contain 10 rounds
3). Enact tougher resale or straw buyer laws
4). Confirm his nominee for ATF Director
5). Approve more funding for more L.E.

The 23 Executive Orders all are designed to sound important, but really don't amount to anything.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. Each Federal agency has their own internal databases they don't share with each other. This will be interesting to see what happens.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. Make HIPAA information available to BGC. Not sure how this will be worked. Most medical professionals don't understand privacy rules as it is, now you want them to make their records available. One to watch.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. Specifically addressing mental illness issues. One of the reasons Colorado went to a Instacheck over NCIS. Does this push other states to enact similar style internal BGC's?
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. Wow. Sounds important. What does this mean? A feel good committee...
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. They already do...
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. If one was so inclined to ask for a FFL to run a BGC for a private party...
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. Yay! More money thrown at public safety announcements. More people employed to make them, run the programs, fund grants, etc. In a nutshell, more bureauocracy.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). Another waste of time committee.
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. They already do.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. DOJ doesn't do this, but any other law enforcement organizations do at the state or region level. Don't need a federal agency trying to organize this.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. More funding for local law enforcement. Same thing happened after Columbine.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. What does this mean? Ask the AUSA's to prosecute more?
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. More money thrown at it.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. Lots of hot air here.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. Why would that be a concern for non-mental health professionals to ask their patients? "I'm here for the flu." "You got firearms in your house?" I can't imagine doctors and nurses asking this question.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. This should be happening anyway. "Hello police? I have a nutjob here in my office talking about killing his neighbors. Can you stop by?"
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. More grants for schools, or to local L.E. to fund SRO's.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. The feds have published a number of "how to's" relating to emergency response situations. Just more money to have someone or a group write books.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. One good thing. Clarifying what Medicaid will cover in relation to mental health. Don't want to deny someone asking for help.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. What does this have to do with the topic? Require mental health coverage?
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. Yay! More talking and committees.


​Just my $.02.

[brokenscout]

Actually that's exactly what it means
So does this mean my extra 17 round mags for my M&P are worth even more? You heard it here first! I will sell you my mags for only 100 a pop!

[SouthPaw]

By having Congress vote on the AWB and Hi-Cap mags, he will look like the good guy regardless. If it does not pass he can say he tried and if it does he will look like the hero.

[alxone]

He asked for Congress to pass legislation on 5 things:

1). Enact a universal Background Check for all purchases, retail or private (with exceptions for family)
2). Enact another Assault Weapons Ban and limit magazines to contain 10 rounds
3). Enact tougher resale or straw buyer laws
4). Confirm his nominee for ATF Director
5). Approve more funding for more L.E.

The 23 Executive Orders all are designed to sound important, but really don't amount to anything.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. Each Federal agency has their own internal databases they don't share with each other. This will be interesting to see what happens.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. Make HIPAA information available to BGC. Not sure how this will be worked. Most medical professionals don't understand privacy rules as it is, now you want them to make their records available. One to watch.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. Specifically addressing mental illness issues. One of the reasons Colorado went to a Instacheck over NCIS. Does this push other states to enact similar style internal BGC's?
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. Wow. Sounds important. What does this mean? A feel good committee...
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. They already do...
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. If one was so inclined to ask for a FFL to run a BGC for a private party...
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. Yay! More money thrown at public safety announcements. More people employed to make them, run the programs, fund grants, etc. In a nutshell, more bureauocracy.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). Another waste of time committee.
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. They already do.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. DOJ doesn't do this, but any other law enforcement organizations do at the state or region level. Don't need a federal agency trying to organize this.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. More funding for local law enforcement. Same thing happened after Columbine.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. What does this mean? Ask the AUSA's to prosecute more?
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. More money thrown at it.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. Lots of hot air here.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. Why would that be a concern for non-mental health professionals to ask their patients? "I'm here for the flu." "You got firearms in your house?" I can't imagine doctors and nurses asking this question.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. This should be happening anyway. "Hello police? I have a nutjob here in my office talking about killing his neighbors. Can you stop by?"
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. More grants for schools, or to local L.E. to fund SRO's.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. The feds have published a number of "how to's" relating to emergency response situations. Just more money to have someone or a group write books.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. One good thing. Clarifying what Medicaid will cover in relation to mental health. Don't want to deny someone asking for help.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. What does this have to do with the topic? Require mental health coverage?
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. Yay! More talking and committees.


​Just my $.02.[Beer]

[BuffCyclist]

So when are the AWB and mag capacity bans (among other things) going before congress? Does anyone have an inking of an idea of how long it takes for something to go from being introduced to passed/denied by congress?

[brokenscout]

This one is SCARY.., 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

[Kraven251]

Most interesting one:

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Repealing part of his own health care law/tax?

As long as I can say I am not answering that question as it violates any number of my rights as a US citizen.

[Blockhead]

So when are the AWB and mag capacity bans (among other things) going before congress? Does anyone have an inking of an idea of how long it takes for something to go from being introduced to passed/denied by congress?

Feinstein has hers ready to go. I think she planned to introduce here bill later this month.

[Zundfolge]

So when are the AWB and mag capacity bans (among other things) going before congress? Does anyone have an inking of an idea of how long it takes for something to go from being introduced to passed/denied by congress?

Anywhere from a couple of days to never. I'm not being glib either. A bill can be brought up in the House or Senate and acted upon within a few days, or they never touch it (and it has to be re-introduced the next session).

If we don't have a new AWB and/or mag ban passed the house and senate by the end of next month they'll likely never get it through (and I'd say the chances of passing anything are almost nil).


Now, that said Colorado is in grave danger of passing their own stupid gun laws in that same time frame.

I'm not saying we can rest and ignore the goings on in DC but for us the goings on in Denver are a clear and present danger and that's where us on this forum need to be focused.

[BPTactical]

Obama, the Snot heard around the world.

[wreave]

I see. So as long as it doesn't affect you personally it's of no concern.. right?

Not at all... sorry it came off like that.

The substance of my statement is: "the Affordable Care Act does prohibit them recording the information or sharing it." The comment about my doctor was an aside.

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“may not require the disclosure or collection of any information” relating to the “presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property.” Further, the measure says the law cannot be used to “maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” It adds that the price of health coverage may not be affected by the ownership, possession or use of guns.

[Dave]

Feinstein has hers ready to go. I think she planned to introduce here bill later this month.
Last I knew she wants to introduce it Jan 22.

[Zundfolge]

Most interesting one:

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Repealing part of his own health care law/tax?

What is most interesting about that is that its 100% pointless.

He can "clarify" whatever he wants to all day long (and twice on Sundays) that doesn't change the text of the law.

Again, this is indicative of what this entire dog, pony and little kid show this was ... it was theater. Zero substance.

[BuffCyclist]

11. Nominate an ATF director.

So, the BATFE doesn't have a director right now? Must be why so much violent gun crime is happening. [facepalm]


14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.


Does anyone else see how the CDC is remotely even related to gun violence?


22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.


Lets sign this as an EO just so we're committed to doing something.


23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


Again, lets sign an EO to talk about something. [facepalm]

[MarkCO]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. Why would that be a concern for non-mental health professionals to ask their patients? "I'm here for the flu." "You got firearms in your house?" I can't imagine doctors and nurses asking this question.


Really? We switched the kids doctors because they asked about firearms many years ago. Many doctors medical health forms ask about smoking, alcohol, seat belts and more recently, firearms. Now they are going to be asking kids even more questions when they go see the school nurse. Not criticsing, but your imagination is way too deeply rooted in common sense.

Reid put something into ObamaCare prohibiting this, now they want to take it out...

[wreave]

Anywhere from a couple of days to never. I'm not being glib either. A bill can be brought up in the House or Senate and acted upon within a few days, or they never touch it (and it has to be re-introduced the next session).

If we don't have a new AWB and/or mag ban passed the house and senate by the end of next month they'll likely never get it through (and I'd say the chances of passing anything are almost nil).


Now, that said Colorado is in grave danger of passing their own stupid gun laws in that same time frame.

I'm not saying we can rest and ignore the goings on in DC but for us the goings on in Denver are a clear and present danger and that's where us on this forum need to be focused.

Agreed. At this point I'm far more concerned with Colorado passing a "high-capacity" magazine ban.

If the Feds were to try one, it would likely grandfather existing mags, but you can bet any state ban would not.

[BuffCyclist]

Anywhere from a couple of days to never. I'm not being glib either. A bill can be brought up in the House or Senate and acted upon within a few days, or they never touch it (and it has to be re-introduced the next session).

If we don't have a new AWB and/or mag ban passed the house and senate by the end of next month they'll likely never get it through (and I'd say the chances of passing anything are almost nil).


Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if they could pass things that quickly or if it took a certain number of meetings. I won't deny that I am not too familiar with how congress works (or even how often they meet, what a "session" is, etc). Looks like its time for some research on the subject.

Worst case scenario, I need to know when I can expect to no longer be carrying my Glock 23 as my CCW, or have 30rd mags. Then again, if a 10rd capacity WAS enacted, does that mean no one can possess them, you can possess them but can't use them, or you can use them and no new ones will be produced?

[muddywings]

So, the BATFE doesn't have a director right now? Must be why so much violent gun crime is happening. [facepalm]



Does anyone else see how the CDC is remotely even related to gun violence?



Lets sign this as an EO just so we're committed to doing something.



Again, lets sign an EO to talk about something. [facepalm]

They will have the CDC classify gun ownership as a mental CDiseaseC and then they'll have at it?? [tinhat]

[BuffCyclist]

They will have the CDC classify gun ownership as a mental CDiseaseC and then they'll have at it?? [tinhat]

Makes all the sense in the world. Time to go start installing tinfoil in my attic, because no matter how big of a hat I make, it won't be enough. [panic]

[MarkCO]

They will have the CDC classify gun ownership as a mental CDiseaseC and then they'll have at it?? [tinhat]

Obama has already said that he does not understand the American need to cling to God and Guns. Say a prayer for all of the industry at SHOT show...they need it today.

[Ronin13]

5). Approve more funding for more L.E.
Great responses there OneGuy- and I agree 100%. This however, is the only thing I'd approve congress to do... #2 is a big hell no! The others are no, but I see them being somewhat likely.

[CrufflerSteve]

The doctor issue and CDC research could be the start of adding mentally unstable people to the prohibited list in the background check. I wouldn't be surprised if just getting a psychiatric med for anxiety or depression will soon lead to being prohibited. Good luck getting off that list. It'll probably be as hard to get off as the Don't fly list.

Talk to someone who grew up in a communist state. The shrinks there were a big part of government repression.

[Zundfolge]

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if they could pass things that quickly or if it took a certain number of meetings.

We used to teach children about the process.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM


Worst case scenario, I need to know when I can expect to no longer be carrying my Glock 23 as my CCW, or have 30rd mags. Then again, if a 10rd capacity WAS enacted, does that mean no one can possess them, you can possess them but can't use them, or you can use them and no new ones will be produced?
That will depend on what bills get drafted in the house and what that bill looks like after going through committee (where changes can be made) then to the floor where its voted up or down, then on the other side in the senate where yet another bill is drafted then in committee there (where changes can be made) then to the floor of the senate where it's voted up or down and then to the Conference Committee where the bill that passed the house and the bill that passed the senate are debated (where changes can be made) and then back to the floors of the house and senate where it's voted on again and THEN to the president.

A lot can happen between now and then. There would have to be a huge, strong consensus now in order for that to go fast. And we've got a seriously divided government right now (partisan gridlock is actually a good thing).

[zteknik]

We used to teach children about the process.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM


Shhh,classified state secret komrade....[Sofa]

[Ronin13]

This whole talk of the CDC... they had a guy on FNC this morning talking about the CDC doing studies in the late 2000's early 2010's about the effects of violence with an AWB in effect, and post-AWB expiration and found nothing to report... so more dog-chasing-it's-tail goings on here?

[BPTactical]

This one is SCARY.., 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

Yup, opens up the entire class of "Prohibited Person" to redefinition.

[BuffCyclist]

We used to teach children about the process.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM

Thanks for the walk down memory lane. I remember watching Schoolhouse Rock as a kid! And while that video explained basically how things go, it didn't describe the details of what I was asking.

[Wave]

[Gman]

Zero, my hero!!!!

[zteknik]

Yup, opens up the entire class of "Prohibited Person" to redefinition.

So they can basicly classify anybody that they seem dangerous.Fly an American Flag in front of your house?? You might be dangerous....

[cofi]

So...
missed it all. Are private FTF transactions legal?

yes nothing has changed yet

[muddywings]

Yup, opens up the entire class of "Prohibited Person" to redefinition.

So the AG will sit there with a list and have categories where he can mark a person as prohibited from having a gun? hmmmmm

HEY MR HOLDER, UMMMM, I VOTED DEMOCRAT!!! (I don't want an R or an L next to my name on that list....just sayin)
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not really but don't tell him that!

[Zundfolge]

So...
missed it all. Are private FTF transactions legal?
Yes, nothing has changed.

All the pres did is bloviate and ask for Congress to pass a bunch of stuff that liberals have wanted for the past half century at least. There is nothing new here.

[Jer]

Great responses there OneGuy- and I agree 100%. This however, is the only thing I'd approve congress to do... #2 is a big hell no! The others are no, but I see them being somewhat likely.

Yeah, I mean when civilians are unarmed we'll need more federally paid police making sure we're all 'safe' right? Where does this money come from?

[DOC]

The kids are not any safer now. If fact, more people will die. Democrats love a good massacre full of unarmed people. Stalin would be proud.

[OneGuy67]

Really? We switched the kids doctors because they asked about firearms many years ago. Many doctors medical health forms ask about smoking, alcohol, seat belts and more recently, firearms. Now they are going to be asking kids even more questions when they go see the school nurse. Not criticsing, but your imagination is way too deeply rooted in common sense.

Reid put something into ObamaCare prohibiting this, now they want to take it out...

I guess my wife and I are going to decent doctors as that isn't on their checkoff list prior to seeing the doc. I can see asking about tobacco and alcohol as it directly relates to my health. Firearms??? I can't make the connection. I guess I'm dumb.

[MarkCO]

I guess my wife and I are going to decent doctors as that isn't on their checkoff list prior to seeing the doc. I can see asking about tobacco and alcohol as it directly relates to my health. Firearms??? I can't make the connection. I guess I'm dumb.

You Sir, are not the dumb one. It is the politicians who think they are so great they can do whatever they want...

[Busta Prima]

You dr won't directly ask you. It will be on some form you have to fill out.

Simply put an "N/A" on the form. Don't say yes or no and don't leave it blank. Just N/A because that is what it is . . . not applicable.


Whole lot of nothing.

Agree. However, we shooud stay vigilant . . . stay on top of everything.

[Gman]

Wow. What a self-aggrandizing photo-op. Way to use those children that don't understand the world they live in to further your political purpose. Disgusting.

Back to concentrating on the fight at the state level.

[Waywardson174]

So they can basicly classify anybody that they seem dangerous.

I would say No. Prohibited persons is defined by statute, therefore it requires redefinition by Congress. AG can, however, review and recommend to Congress that those definitions be expanded. That's about it though.

[Pancho Villa]

What happened to all the people saying he was gonna do a mag limit and AWB via EO?

[zteknik]

Wow. What a self-aggrandizing photo-op. Way to use those children that don't understand the world they live in to further your political purpose. Disgusting.

Back to concentrating on the fight at the state level.Same tactics Hittler used when taking photos and meeting the public..
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[O2HeN2]

Random comments:

Obama isn't stupid, he'll let Feinstien do the heavy lifting while all the time appearing "reasonable".

You're not under oath when you fill out the doctors' forms, so lie.

Bringing the CDC onboard allows them to treat firearms as a disease, and like all diseases, the CDC can work at eradicating it. Guns become a public health issue. We've been down this road before.

O2

[DHC]

Of the 23 EO's the most dangerous (IMO) is #14 -- "Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

Results of the study will be biased in favor of the Administration's chosen direction and will be cited as the foundational basis for enacting future restrictive legislation. While not an immediate threat, the horizon on this becoming a MAJOR issue is probably about 24 months - still within the current Obama term.

[DHC]

What happened to all the people saying he was gonna do a mag limit and AWB via EO?

They were assuming/expecting Obama to exceed the limits of his EO charter. He did not.

[merl]

What happened to all the people saying he was gonna do a mag limit and AWB via EO?

I really was surprised to see nothing reclassified as non-sporting and banned from import.

[Gman]

Of the 23 EO's the most dangerous (IMO) is #14 -- "Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

Results of the study will be biased in favor of the Administration's chosen direction and will be cited as the foundational basis for enacting future restrictive legislation. While not an immediate threat, the horizon on this becoming a MAJOR issue is probably about 24 months - still within the current Obama term.
I'm not so sure. The CDC was used during the "Clinton Crime Bill" and their conclusion was that the benefit of the AWB was "inconclusive". The weapons they target have such low levels of violence associated with them, it's difficult to distinguish any real effect.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I really was surprised to see nothing reclassified as non-sporting and banned from import.

His goal is to weaken the pro 2A, not strengthening us. Divide the conquer - we already see that on this very forum.

[Jer]

You're not under oath when you fill out the doctors' forms, so lie.

Bingo. Your health is about... well.. you're health. Whatever you want to say is up to you and now the government has created a large portion of the population who doesn't trust their doctor and will go out of their way to not reveal everything to them for fear of forfeiting their rights as a result. I'm sure that's not what the administration had in mind but that's what happens when you pass legislation you don't don't think through using common sense and logic.

[DHC]

I'm not so sure. The CDC was used during the "Clinton Crime Bill" and their conclusion was that the benefit of the AWB was "inconclusive". The weapons they target have such low levels of violence associated with them, it's difficult to distinguish any real effect.

Agreed. My fundamental premise is the expectation of the CDC producing a biased report. If it turns out to be well-researched and balanced, there is the chance it might be helpful to protect 2A rights. I guess this is indicative of what I have grown to expect from this Administration.

I'll research the previous report. If done well, it may prove a precedent that will be difficult for an 'update' by CDC to overturn.

[Pancho Villa]

CDC is fairly good at being apolitical with their stuff. As pointed out before, they've been down this road.

My actual expectations are that the CDC might recommend a loosening of drug laws if we want to see a lowering of gun crime, as much gun crime is related to the drug trade.

[merl]

CDC is fairly good at being apolitical with their stuff. As pointed out before, they've been down this road.

My actual expectations are that the CDC might recommend a loosening of drug laws if we want to see a lowering of gun crime, as much gun crime is related to the drug trade.

I would LOL to see CDC report that. and be very happy.

[DOC]

I hope that we all see now that writing letters and calling our Congress Critters is the least that we should be doing now.

[Ghosty]

He asked for Congress to pass legislation on 5 things:
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​Just my $.02.
Great points, reposting on www.ColoradoRacing.com (http://www.ColoradoRacing.com).

[itaos]

Does anyone have a guess as to what Colorado and Denver will try to write into law? I am not familiar with the circumstances of how the Denver magazine limitations occurred but would assume they will try to pass something more stringent than new federal regulations.

[stewart]

19477

[zteknik]

19477

Should be the bill of lefts...

[sellersm]

Should be the bill of lefts...

LOL!

[hollohas]

I missed this before, but 9news is reporting this will all cost $500 million. So much for cutting spending...but we all forgot about all that economic mess anyway, so no biggie.

[sellersm]

What is most interesting about that is that its 100% pointless.

He can "clarify" whatever he wants to all day long (and twice on Sundays) that doesn't change the text of the law.

Again, this is indicative of what this entire dog, pony and little kid show this was ... it was theater. Zero substance.

However, a public appearance, or "theater", albeit with 'zero substance', is still a public appearance and reinforces the message to the masses! Again, study history: the same techniques that worked in the past still work today, because man hasn't changed! The masses are being indoctrinated, this 'zero substance' public 'speech' has (and will continue to be) gone unchallenged! Where's the Truth? Where's the opposing voice? Where are the campaigns for truth? Where are the MSMs (so to speak) of the voice of truth and reason?

If the people hear enough of 'zero substance' messages, guess what will happen? History tells us...

[Teufelhund]

I missed this before, but 9news is reporting this will all cost $500 million. So much for cutting spending...but we all forgot about all that economic mess anyway, so no biggie.

Small potatoes. We'll just get the rich people to pay for it! Unless they work in the entertainment industry. . . or belong to a union. . . or contributed to the 2012 campaign. . .

[Pancho Villa]

Stop whining. $500 million is a rounding error on the current budget and doesn't make a difference either way.

Its a lot of money to you and me, I think it keeps the federal govt running for a couple minutes at our current pace of spending.

Edit: I looked it up. Sorry, I was wrong. $500 million will keep the federal govt running for about 46 days out of the year.

It's still not that huge a deal in terms of its impact on the budget, even if it turns out to be true (and how you could estimate how much $ it would take to implement these things so quickly is beyond me.) Better to attack them through other ways.

[Teufelhund]

Yeah, fuck it. What's half a billion when you're already insolvent to the tune of 16 trillion? If it saves just one life. . .

[Rucker61]

Stop whining. $500 million is a rounding error on the current budget and doesn't make a difference either way.

Its a lot of money to you and me, I think it keeps the federal govt running for a couple minutes at our current pace of spending.

Edit: I looked it up. Sorry, I was wrong. $500 million will keep the federal govt running for about 46 days out of the year.




Did you mean 4-6 days? That's the number I'm coming up with.

[Aloha_Shooter]

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health

15 and 16 are the ones that bug me the most. I'm kinda perturbed by #5 but the rest of it ... not sure I care too much.

[hollohas]

Stop whining. $500 million is a rounding error on the current budget and doesn't make a difference either way.

Its a lot of money to you and me, I think it keeps the federal govt running for a couple minutes at our current pace of spending.

Edit: I looked it up. Sorry, I was wrong. $500 million will keep the federal govt running for about 46 days out of the year.

It's still not that huge a deal in terms of its impact on the budget, even if it turns out to be true (and how you could estimate how much $ it would take to implement these things so quickly is beyond me.) Better to attack them through other ways.

Government spending is a problem. They just committed to more spending when they have NO money. $500M or $500T, it's a problem.

But as always Pancho, your post was a pleasure to read.

[Dave_L]

The responses on FB are driving me insane. So many people willing to be led to the slaughter while smiling.

[Clint45]

Its for the Children. This is absolute bullshit. And who is this audience? All anti gunners?

Everybody in that audience is probably there by invitation.

[XC700116]

#6 makes me laugh, as if an FFL doesn't already have that down to a science at this point, between the panic buys and GB/GA sales, I'm pretty sure they have it figured out. :facepalm

[Clint45]

So does the EO now require FTF private party background checks effective immediately or no?

No. It needs to go through Congress. Although CO will probably try to push the same thing through at the state level, which would move quicker.

[rockhound]

IMHO HE PUNTED THE WHOLE ISSUE
after all the chest puffing and prancing around i don't see any teeth in this at all, a bunch of pablum and preening of feather for the anti's...

the panic will continue until congress grows a pair and tells him to STFU, more important to call and write your reps, it is in their court now
which i feel is even more dangerous, An EO we can defeat, if congress lays down it will be hard to undo.

the mental health items seem like common sense, sad that we have to have EOs to get things moving if it will at all.


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
SO WE HAVE TO TELL THE AGENCIES HOW TO DO THEIR JOBS, WTF THIS IS PABULUM
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
so we will now make sure, i see this backfiring as fewer people will seek treatment
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
why would there be disincentive?
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
this is pretty vague, what category are you?
5. Propose rule making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
i would have expected the police to do this anyway, would they not run a check on you if you gave them reason to seize your gun?
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
pretty sure they already know how to do this, more Pabulum
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
be sure your weapon is totally locked away so it is impossible to use for any purpose, this will be an issue
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
see response above, better hope your gun never gets stolen, you will be held responsible for the damage IT DID
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
dont sell anything you bought on 4473, it may come back to bite you you owned it at one time, you are the criminal
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
lets all get together and talk about it some more, they will what? run every gun you own through the data base to see if it was ever stolen?
11. Nominate an ATF director.
thought we would have done that anyway
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
they are called swat teams, some jurisdictions may not have one, but the cops already practice this one do they not.
school officials need to grasp the idea that some teachers need to be armed. after all that may actually save just one kid
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
enforcement of what? what gun laws when enforced more vigorously would have prevented sandyhook?
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
this will take years, my wife is heavily involved in medical research and treatment development, nothing in this field moves quickly,
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
gun safety technologies? you will be able to kill fewer people if all guns were black powder flint locks. you will have to have a fingerprint lock on all weapons so that the weapon can only be fired by the registered user.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
obamacare to the rescue, WTF.Unless you have confessed this tidbit to your shrink and you are bat shit crazy, it will not make us safer
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
do they really believe that they cannot report something?
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
unless they are armed this is useless.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
duck and cover drills, i can see it now,
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
clarifying or expanding the scope?
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health

the last three are the only items on this list besides maybe providing guards at schools that will make us any safer. if you can treat a few people who are dangerous you may stop one or two, however if you are just going to prescribe drugs to more people we are screwed, how many shootings occurred when people were being treated for depression, RITALIN AND ZANEX wont help

[merl]

#3, there are costs and privacy issues (see #2)
#6, perhaps they mean a procedure for transferring a firearm not in their possession or how to run a check without a 4473 to go with it.
#8 CPSC cannot regulate guns or ammunition but they can regulate locks. Hey if this means objective numbers on the relative merits of different safes, cool.
#15 love to see this report but don't trust it to be unbiased. Far as I know, no tech out there is reliable enough to even be considered for this.
#18 agreed.
#20 doubt that the scope could be expanded by EO.


I do see all this focus on mental health driving people away from treatment. have to tread carefully there and they are running around in boots.

[C.hud]

Its all a huge invasion of privacy, yes it could've been worse but not only is he trying to turn the country against gun owners but hes trying to turn it against conservatives too. By him putting the awb, magazine restrictions and everything else on congress's shoulders which is dominated by republicans he knows it will probably not pass. So then hes going to come out and say they dont care about kids or their fellow citizens because they voted his suggested gun control measures down. Hes already blaming republicans on national tv for a wide variety of issues and this will be another one. I dont think congress will pass majority of his recommendations this time but what i am worried about is if he does turn the country against republicans and the house gets dominated by democrats thats when were fucked. They will probably vote on this issue again. I was talking to my neighbor the other day who is all for gun control so obviously we were arguing about it he couldnt give me any reason other than the president said that thats what we need to do and hes our leader and we need to listen to him, typical liberal response. I told him welcome to communism and left.

And if my doctor ever ask me about firearms im going to tell him its none of his fucking business.

[Jer]

Why does BHO need to turn Americans against the Republican party when they're doing a good enough job of that on their own?

[Zundfolge]

Why does BHO need to turn Americans against the Republican party when they're doing a good enough job of that on their own?

Maybe the problem is that the Dems are driving people away even faster.

[Jer]

Maybe the problem is that the Dems are driving people away even faster.

I don't see how that's possible. The GOP has completely lost touch with it's voter base as evidenced by their inability to win an election they almost had to try to lose. And try they did. To me, this is the smallest among our concerns of the current anti-2A temperature. Keep talking about how relevant or irrelevant the GOP is in today's political landscape though, I'm sure the anti-2A crowd would LOVE for that to happen.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The Dems are solidifying their base no matter how idiotic their proposals or moves are because all they have to do is make them feel like they're activists. It's not so much the GOP losing touch with its base as too much of the "base" disappearing because their own little personal issue (homosexual marriage, smoking weed, free access to condoms or abortions or ...., etc.) is more important to them than Constitutional government, the Second Amendment, fiscal responsibility, American traditions, etc.

Many of you have essentially admitted access to marijuana was more important to you than the Second Amendment because you chose to vote third party or not vote at all despite the well-documented fact that Obama wanted to find an excuse to gut the Second Amendment (among other things). You can rationalize all you want but that was the predictable (hell, PREDICTED) outcome of not doing everything necessary to defeat Obama. That's fine, that's your choice but don't go blaming the Republicans for it.

[Jer]

The Dems are solidifying their base no matter how idiotic their proposals or moves are because all they have to do is make them feel like they're activists. It's not so much the GOP losing touch with its base as too much of the "base" disappearing because their own little personal issue (homosexual marriage, smoking weed, free access to condoms or abortions or ...., etc.) is more important to them than Constitutional government, the Second Amendment, fiscal responsibility, American traditions, etc.

Many of you have essentially admitted access to marijuana was more important to you than the Second Amendment because you chose to vote third party or not vote at all despite the well-documented fact that Obama wanted to find an excuse to gut the Second Amendment (among other things). You can rationalize all you want but that was the predictable (hell, PREDICTED) outcome of not doing everything necessary to defeat Obama. That's fine, that's your choice but don't go blaming the Republicans for it.

The fact that you think me having access to marijuana trumped anything proves my point.

[newracer]

If your doctor asks about firearms just state that question is a boundary violation, they will shut up quick.

[Jer]

If your doctor asks about firearms just state that question is a boundary violation, they will shut up quick.

Then kick them in the twat.

[Mountain Man]

One of conservatives biggest issues is we are to busy fighting each other. Dems will vote for whatever they throw out and rarely vote third party. Conservatives will split their vote. Thats exactly how Ken Buck Lost and exactly how Hickenlooper got in. Either conservative candidate would have been acceptable but certainly not perfect. Well we got what we didn't want. We are paying heavily or we will be starting this year.