View Full Version : It's like an MP5 and 516 hybrid... the SIG MPX-C
Uberjager
01-21-2013, 15:27
Searched the site, and nothing came up.
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/MPX-C-Detail-Hero.jpg
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sig-mpx-c.aspx
It definitely looks fun. I dig the muzzle break. Anyone idea why it says NFA rules apply?
Searched the site, and nothing came up.
It definitely looks fun. I dig the muzzle break. Anyone idea why it says NFA rules apply?
That's not a muzzle brake, it's the inside of the suppressor that's on it (pretty sure of it anyway). That's what the baffles look like, one solid piece instead of the old K syle. So it is more than likely an SBR, oh, and the stamp for the suppressor.
This is what it looks like with the suppressors shroud on.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/P1220840.jpg
Muzzle break brings it to 16" total according to the specs on the website
skullybones
01-21-2013, 15:35
That's not a muzzle brake, it's the inside of the suppressor that's on it. That's what the baffles look like, one solid piece instead of the old K syle. So it is more than likely an SBR, oh, and the stamp for the suppressor.
Unless they are one piece.
Uberjager
01-21-2013, 15:35
That's not a muzzle brake, it's the inside of the suppressor that's on it. That's what the baffles look like, one solid piece instead of the old K syle. So it is more than likely an SBR, oh, and the stamp for the suppressor.
That's why I dig the muzzle break. It's permanently attached, giving the barrel an OAL of 16". Are open baffles NFA restricted?
There are multiple versions of this. SA and FA, SBR and Carbine. There is a verison that needs no (currently) stamp and is not NFA restricted. Was released at SHOT...
HoneyBadger
01-21-2013, 15:41
Edit: Thanks MarkCO
But you cant get a hard delivery date out of them...
I don't know why but I need one.
I wish I would have gotten more pictures at the Shot Show, there were so many different variations of of AR's with folding stocks and short stocks like that.
But you cant get a hard delivery date out of them...
I don't know why but I need one.
I need one too... and the "why" doesn't matter- if married, use the "Because I'm a MAN dammit!" excuse to reason why you need this fine specimen of firearms technology. [Beer]
Never mind, I was wrong.... It would however be really easy to make a shroud to go over that though.....
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/MPX-3-1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml28BphAkSQ&feature=player_embedded#!
I'm still a little confused about the MPX-C. We've been making Carbon Fiber AR-15 handguards (we were the first to make a modular one that is removeable) for a while and realize that the C has a 6.5" barrel. That means gas venting inside a CF handguard. Kind of know what that does, and it is not pretty when it finally breaches the CF tube. I am sure they have tested it and have some way to keep the gases from hitting the interior of the HG if that is truly the production version, but I don't know what it may be. Also, according to my contact at ATF, a solid tube around the muzzle is a no-no since it attenuates more than 1 db making it a suppressor by definition. Maybe that is just a prototype mock-up and not a production version.
Anyone have the actual answers to these questions.
Uberjager
01-21-2013, 16:17
I'm still a little confused about the MPX-C. We've been making Carbon Fiber AR-15 handguards (we were the first to make a modular one that is removeable) for a while and realize that the C has a 6.5" barrel. That means gas venting inside a CF handguard. Kind of know what that does, and it is not pretty when it finally breaches the CF tube. I am sure they have tested it and have some way to keep the gases from hitting the interior of the HG if that is truly the production version, but I don't know what it may be. Also, according to my contact at ATF, a solid tube around the muzzle is a no-no since it attenuates more than 1 db making it a suppressor by definition. Maybe that is just a prototype mock-up and not a production version.
Anyone have the actual answers to these questions.
It looks like there's a few small holes in the hand-guard.
HoneyBadger
01-21-2013, 16:18
A 6.5" barrel with a 9.5" break? What's the point? It can't possibly save you that much weight...
I would love to get one that is integrally suppressed. I like how it accepts some standard AR parts and operates very similarly.
We got a chance to play with this thing at SHOT, quite honestly one of the coolest new things on the market. As it was explained to us by the rep, as we drooled over it, the "muzzle break" is welded to the barrel. As it turns out it is a perminent baffle stack (he winked when I asked). He said, you buy the 16" barreled rifle for $2k, then they sell you the NFA can for $200 and you submit for a tax stamp like any other suppresor.....so, all in at $2400 for a fully integrated 16" rifle.
This barrel concept is very similar, if not the same as the TacSol barrel for the 10/22 that is on the market. It is not a SBR since it qualifies for a 16" by the letter of the law.
He made it sound like they would be available to the public, but when I looked it up at the casino that night it looked to be LEO/MIL only. He did mention that they are in preproduction and should be hitting the market soon. So, I don't know.
Additionally, it is NOT blow back operated like some of the others, it is gas operateed and fires in the closed bolt - as they said it is quietert. In full auto is sounds like a hushed buzz saw.
The rep said you would not want to shoot one without the can over the baffle stack.
Definately one of the top 3 new gun products we saw!
I don't see why you couldn't SBR it after the fact, but it will cost you the gunsmith time another NFA stamp....then you would have to buy another can....it would be more trouble than it was worth. It is short enough as it is.
This was top four for us along with a new STI 3" Officer's double stack, the Remington Defense MSR project and AI AX PSR project.
I have some bad news... The MPX-C is the only one you can buy, and NFA rules apply. Dammit, I really wanted the MPX-SD!
MPX-SD- Military/LE only
MPX-C -NFA Rules Apply
Zundfolge
01-21-2013, 16:36
That's it ... if they don't make a semi auto, integrally suppressed version available to us proles I refuse to ever buy a SIG product again. Looks like the Ghost of Bill Ruger landed in Exeter. [Mad] [fail]
Edit: Didn't see Pike10s post ... so there may be hope yet.
Uberjager
01-21-2013, 16:50
That's it ... if they don't make a semi auto, integrally suppressed version available to us proles I refuse to ever buy a SIG product again. Looks like the Ghost of Bill Ruger landed in Exeter. [Mad] [fail]
Edit: Didn't see Pike10s post ... so there may be hope yet.
I really want a Civvy pistol variant, to SBR.
so that is a crazy muzzle brake on the c???
griebel303
01-21-2013, 17:31
I need one. Those are sweet
I added a few things I left out. See page 2.
Uberjager
01-21-2013, 18:38
so that is a crazy muzzle brake on the c???
It's the internals of a suppressor, with a tax stamp you'll be able to buy a tube to slip over the brake.
buckeye4rnr
01-21-2013, 18:58
I need one of these. Is the tax stamp only to put a tube over the brake or do I need one to even buy the gun?
one of these would be friggin bad ass.[AR15]
I need one of these. Is the tax stamp only to put a tube over the brake or do I need one to even buy the gun?
You got to buy the gun, neighborhood of $2k, then buy the tube, as the rep said around $200, then get a NFA stamp for $200. The tube is the registered NFA device. As the rep said and as quoted on their website - the baffle stack is a "muzzle break" since it is permenently attached to the barrel making it overall barrel lenght, by the letter of the law, at 16". Same as pin and welding a flash hider to a 14.5" barrel for OAL of 16".
I would not want to shoot one without the can. The intent is to sell you the rifle and the tube.
The intent is to sell you the rifle and the tube.
makes sense you can ogle the rifle while your waiting on your stamp
what doesent make sense is that you have to pay the .gov for what is essentially a safety device.....its like paying a tax stamp on hearing protection
blacklabel
01-21-2013, 20:43
what doesent make sense is that you have to pay the .gov for what is essentially a safety device.....its like paying a tax stamp on hearing protection
Or that a barrel that is an inch shorter is an instant felony. Don't get me started on the NFA.
buckeye4rnr
01-22-2013, 15:37
You got to buy the gun, neighborhood of $2k, then buy the tube, as the rep said around $200, then get a NFA stamp for $200. The tube is the registered NFA device. As the rep said and as quoted on their website - the baffle stack is a "muzzle break" since it is permenently attached to the barrel making it overall barrel lenght, by the letter of the law, at 16". Same as pin and welding a flash hider to a 14.5" barrel for OAL of 16".
I would not want to shoot one without the can. The intent is to sell you the rifle and the tube.
Thanks for the reply. I hope this is out soon as I'd love to get one.
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