Feinstein Ban - Early report

[james_bond_007]

Feinstein introduces sweeping ban on military-style weapons

By Alexander Bolton - 01/24/13 11:25 AM ET
Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279057-feinstein-introduces-sweeping-ban-on-military-style-assault-weapons-

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and a group of Senate Democrats on Thursday introduced legislation to ban the sale and manufacture of more than 150 types of semi-automatic weapons with military-style features.

The legislation also bans magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition and requires people who already own assault rifles to use secure storage and safety devices and bars them from selling high-capacity clips.


“No weapon is taken from anyone,” said Feinstein. “The purpose is to dry up the supply of these weapons over time.” Unlike the 1994 assault-weapons ban, there is no sunset provision in Feinstein’s newest gun-control bill.
The lawmakers introduced the bill at a press conference with law-enforcement groups supporting the legislation. Groups endorsing the bill include the U.S. Conference of Mayors, the Major Cities Chiefs Association, the Police Foundation, and the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators.
The co-sponsors include Democratic Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy, whose home state of Connecticut last month witnessed one of the nation’s worst episodes of gun violence when an assailant killed 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School with an M-4 Bushmaster assault rifle.
Feinstein acknowledged the bill would face stiff opposition in Congress.
“Getting this bill signed into law will be an uphill battle, and I recognize that — but it’s a battle worth having,” she said. “We must balance the desire of a few to own military-style assault weapons with the growing threat to lives across America.”
The bill would ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and import of all semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can accept detachable magazines and have at least one military feature.
It would also ban semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have fixed magazines capable of carrying more than 10 rounds and all semi-automatic shotguns that have folding or detachable stocks, pistol grips, forward grips, or fixed magazines with room for more than five rounds.
The bill includes a grandfather clause that would exempt assault weapons "lawfully possessed" on the date of enactment. Background checks would be required prior to the sale or transfer of weapons exempted under the clause.
Feinstein said she designed the bill to make it more difficult for gun manufacturers to evade restrictions by altering just one or a few features. The 1994 federal assault-weapons ban, which Feinstein also sponsored, was widely criticized as ineffective because of various loopholes.
Feinstein emphasized that her bill exempts more than 2,200 hunting and sports rifles or any gun manually operated by bolt, lever or slide action. It also exempts weapons used by active and retired law enforcement officials.
Feinstein argues the 1994 ban was effective, citing a Justice Department study that found it led to a 6.7-percent decrease in gun murders. She also pointed to a finding from the Police Executive Research Forum that nearly 40 percent of police departments reported an increase in criminal use of assault weapons since the ban expired in 2004.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Democratic Policy Committee Chairman Chuck Schumer (N.Y.), the 2nd- and 3rd-ranking members of the Democratic leadership, have co-sponsored bill.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has voiced doubt about passing a new assault weapons ban, has not endorsed it. It does not have the support of a single Republican senator, either.


Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279057-feinstein-introduces-sweeping-ban-on-military-style-assault-weapons-#ixzz2IutW3YG0


(http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279057-feinstein-introduces-sweeping-ban-on-military-style-assault-weapons-#ixzz2IutW3YG0)From Senator Feinsteins Website : http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.


Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.


Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.


Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

[Dave_L]

"The legislation also bans magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition and requires people who already own assault rifles to use secure storage (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279057-feinstein-introduces-sweeping-ban-on-military-style-assault-weapons-#) and safety devices and bars them from selling high-capacity clips."

“No weapon is taken from anyone,” said Feinstein. “The purpose is to dry up the supply of these weapons over time.”

Those two things are the scariest. Requires secure storage which means what? 100% registration to know who has them and then a LEO has to come inspect your storage methods? Eek.

Dry up the supply? How many are already out there? Stopping new production helps but only one REAL way to dry up the supply...

[Ronin13]

I've been mulling this over for a few weeks now, figure this is as good of place to say it... I see all the "special treatment" for LEOs getting to keep guns and not being affected by any legislation. What about veterans? We're the ones who actually train, employ, and constantly use these "assault weapons"- yet I have yet to hear any lawmaker address this. Not saying if any law is passed they should include exemptions for LE and mil vets and eff everyone else, just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well? I would think a discharged Marine is better equipped to safely possess and own an AR-15 than a retired Mesa County Sheriff's Deputy.

But still, Feinstein needs to be arrested and charged with treason. I won't hold my breath, but that's the law...

[XC700116]

"The legislation also bans magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition and requires people who already own assault rifles to use secure storage (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279057-feinstein-introduces-sweeping-ban-on-military-style-assault-weapons-#) and safety devices and bars them from selling high-capacity clips."

“No weapon is taken from anyone,” said Feinstein. “The purpose is to dry up the supply of these weapons over time.”

Those two things are the scariest. Requires secure storage which means what? 100% registration to know who has them and then a LEO has to come inspect your storage methods? Eek.

Dry up the supply? How many are already out there? Stopping new production helps but only one REAL way to dry up the supply...



You're missing the part of about banning transfer, so if you die, your kids/wife/brother/WTFever can't keep your gun. That's how they dry up the supply, by confiscating them when someone passes away.

[Rooskibar03]

List of banned items

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/3a98fb4965548aa626c3f2b4ca07b218.jpg

[loveski]

Good thing I have a strong right hand. Time to write more letters. Everyone needs to contact their reps and senators again

[Dingo]

I've been mulling this over for a few weeks now, figure this is as good of place to say it... I see all the "special treatment" for LEOs getting to keep guns and not being affected by any legislation. What about veterans? We're the ones who actually train, employ, and constantly use these "assault weapons"- yet I have yet to hear any lawmaker address this. Not saying if any law is passed they should include exemptions for LE and mil vets and eff everyone else, just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well? I would think a discharged Marine is better equipped to safely possess and own an AR-15 than a retired Mesa County Sheriff's Deputy.

But still, Feinstein needs to be arrested and charged with treason. I won't hold my breath, but that's the law...


^^^^THIS^^^^ I'm not military, but I would trust any Marine I know with a so-called "assault weapon" a thousand times more than some of these wanna-be-cowboy LEO's I've met. (Not a blanket statement - just referring to the unfortunate impression I've formed from talking with most Denver/Boulder cops.)

[Ronin13]

^^^^THIS^^^^ I'm not military, but I would trust any Marine I know with a so-called "assault weapon" a thousand times more than some of these wanna-be-cowboy LEO's I've met. (Not a blanket statement - just referring to the unfortunate impression I've formed from talking with most Denver/Boulder cops.)
Well there's your problem... You talk to Denver/Boulder cops... I invite you to get to know OneGuy on here, he's one of the good LEOs... at least as far as I know. [Coffee]

[lowbeyond]

i aint complying with shit

[hatidua]

just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well?

Exempt enough to get support for the bill, but not so many as to cause an uproar by those not exempted. Politics at it's worst.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Probably exempted active/retired LE in order to get some of the political hacks at groups like the Major Cities Chiefs Association, the Police Foundation, and the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators (is this really a group?) to stand behind them while she knew there was no way she was going to get the American Legion, VFW or other vet groups to stand behind her on this unconstitutional crap.

[waxthis]

i aint complying with shit


Rebel...[ROFL1]

[Aloha_Shooter]

im assuming the politicians want firearms out of the TRAINED professionals hands. so, they wont want VETS to keep theirs.

I make no assumptions when it comes to politics. On the other hand, the stupidity of certain politicians and position groups (including so-called LE groups) is demonstrated and proven so there's no need to assume anything.

[lowbeyond]

Rebel...[ROFL1]


thanks ![ROFL2]

[Atrain1]

I've been mulling this over for a few weeks now, figure this is as good of place to say it... I see all the "special treatment" for LEOs getting to keep guns and not being affected by any legislation. What about veterans? We're the ones who actually train, employ, and constantly use these "assault weapons"- yet I have yet to hear any lawmaker address this. Not saying if any law is passed they should include exemptions for LE and mil vets and eff everyone else, just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well? I would think a discharged Marine is better equipped to safely possess and own an AR-15 than a retired Mesa County Sheriff's Deputy.

But still, Feinstein needs to be arrested and charged with treason. I won't hold my breath, but that's the law...Sorry I could not help it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

[crashdown]

I'm confused.....
Can't any gun with a mag accept a mag that holds ten or more rounds even if it wasn't originally designed to do so?
The 1911 is designed to hold 7-8, but you can get 10+ round mags.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm confused.....
Can't any gun with a mag accept a mag that holds ten or more rounds even if it wasn't originally designed to do so?
The 1911 is designed to hold 7-8, but you can get 10+ round mags.

Yes, any gun with a DETACHABLE magazine can be fitted with a magazine that holds more rounds. The antis don't want you to have any guns anyway and would prefer you only have one shot if they have to allow you to have a gun at all so they don't see any contradiction.

[BPTactical]

ANY elected official who supports this legislation is WILLFULLY violating their Oath of Office.

[jreifsch80]

Send them back your fierce defiance!
Stamp upon the cursed alliance!

[Dave_L]

ANY elected official who supports this legislation is WILLFULLY violating their Oath of Office.

I propose we start working on these...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_election

"A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before his or her term has ended."

[Dave]

[Shake] [Shake]

[mahkcod]

ANY elected official who supports this legislation is WILLFULLY violating their Oath of Office.
AMEN!!!!

[crashdown]

Yes, any gun with a DETACHABLE magazine can be fitted with a magazine that holds more rounds. The antis don't want you to have any guns anyway and would prefer you only have one shot if they have to allow you to have a gun at all so they don't see any contradiction.

So this banning everything but black-powder, revolvers, breach loading guns, and guns with a mag tube that can't be modified to hold more than 5.
Shouldn't the list of proposed guns be much longer?

[mikedubs]

It looks as if she threw everything including the kitchen sink in this bill. I wonder if it's like network TV: throw shit on the wall and see what sticks.

BTW: Screw that noise!

[joedelt]

^^^^THIS^^^^ I'm not military, but I would trust any Marine I know with a so-called "assault weapon" a thousand times more than some of these wanna-be-cowboy LEO's I've met. (Not a blanket statement - just referring to the unfortunate impression I've formed from talking with most Denver/Boulder cops.)

You are missing their point.
ALL military are more likely then not mentally ill (why would they join up anyway) so they are in eligible...

[Singlestack]

I've been mulling this over for a few weeks now, figure this is as good of place to say it... I see all the "special treatment" for LEOs getting to keep guns and not being affected by any legislation. What about veterans? We're the ones who actually train, employ, and constantly use these "assault weapons"- yet I have yet to hear any lawmaker address this. Not saying if any law is passed they should include exemptions for LE and mil vets and eff everyone else, just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well? I would think a discharged Marine is better equipped to safely possess and own an AR-15 than a retired Mesa County Sheriff's Deputy.

But still, Feinstein needs to be arrested and charged with treason. I won't hold my breath, but that's the law...

Because dems don't trust honorably discharged veterans. Recall the homeland security memos from a couple of years ago identifying high risk groups for domestic terrorism - returning veterans, preppers owning more than a 7 day supply of food,...?

[Great-Kazoo]

i aint complying with shit

Repost!!! [ROFL2][LOL]

[XC700116]

Good thing I have a strong right hand. Time to write more letters. Everyone needs to contact their reps and senators again


Yeap, I've just drafted a new one, a little lenghty but I think it gets the point across. Tell me what you guys think of it.


Dear Representative/Senator:

I will start this letter with a simple question. How will you vote?

With today’s introduction of Senator Feinstein’s “Assault Weapon Ban” bill in the Senate, I’ve been compelled to again write and express my deep concern for the future of our constitutional republic. Yes I said constitutional republic, the United States of America is not and never has been, a democracy. I do not state that as an insult to your intelligence but I find it necessary to remind everyone of that every now and then, especially when usurpations of the constitution are being considered with any seriousness.

The Constitution of the United States of America is the document that controls what the federal government can and cannot do, and how they are to do it. Yet again another legislator has proposed ignoring it and further degrading its principles. Senator Feinstein by introducing this bill has willfully disregarded her oath of office yet again. Not that this is some earth shattering revelation, and it’s obviously not the first time it’s happened nor will it be the last. However it is a very disturbing trend that is ever increasing in frequency.

I write to remind you of the oath you took to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. Not inpart, but in its entirety. The world is watching what our elected representatives do in times like these and it is no time to back down and compromise on the Constitution. I suggest that if Senator Feinstein wishes to circumvent the 2nd Amendment that she at least has the courage to go about it in the proper way and propose a constitutional amendment. That is not to say that I would support such an endeavor, but she would at least have my respect for doing it the right way. She contends that she has the backing of “the people” and that 2nd Amendment supporters are the few or the fringe of this country. Well I challenge her to prove it, go about the amendment process and whatever comes of it, comes.

I could go on with lengthy explanations citing historical documents like the Militia Act, and the Constitution, but it’s a waste of my time and yours as you both know and understand them or you do not, and my explanation will most likely make no difference. So I won’t do that. What I will do is pose the question one more time, but please know this before you answer. I will make my decision on how to proceed from here based solely on your answer. This includes how I will vote in coming elections but does not even begin to encompass what I will do. Please know that anyone who votes for Senator Feinstein’s bill should it make it before your legislative body in ANY form will become the focus of my efforts. These efforts will begin with but not be limited to:


Voting
Supporting opposing candidates in election efforts.
Actively campaigning for or against candidates
Financial donations to campaign efforts


I don’t need a lengthy explanation of your position for your vote all I need is a one word answer, Yes or No, that is all I need to know. So here it is again.

If/when Senator Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban” bill comes before you , How will you vote?

Sincerely,

[Ronin13]

Because dems don't trust honorably discharged veterans. Recall the homeland security memos from a couple of years ago identifying high risk groups for domestic terrorism - returning veterans, preppers owning more than a 7 day supply of food,...?
Ooops. my fault. I completely forgot about that, and I'm using that silly logic again! Please don't tell Jim! [Coffee]

Yeap, I've just drafted a new one, a little lenghty but I think it gets the point across. Tell me what you guys think of it.
You were at the Rally last weekend, weren't you? Holbert's advice was good! [Beer]

[Inconel710]

She knows that bill is DOA when it gets to the House. Pure grandstanding on her pet issue. It's the "compromise" bill that has me worried.

[Fromk]

List of banned items

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/3a98fb4965548aa626c3f2b4ca07b218.jpg

Take a note from the Californian way of dealing with laws so specific they defeat themselves. Manufacturers change the names of the guns. SOLVED!!!

[lowbeyond]

Repost!!! [ROFL2][LOL]

you are rite !

i stuck it here

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/84513-Post-reposts-here

[XC700116]

Ooops. my fault. I completely forgot about that, and I'm using that silly logic again! Please don't tell Jim! [Coffee]

You were at the Rally last weekend, weren't you? Holbert's advice was good! [Beer]

Yes and yes. Figured I'd try it at least and see if they have the stones to answer it.

[Inconel710]

Take a note from the Californian way of dealing with laws so specific they defeat themselves. Manufacturers change the names of the guns. SOLVED!!!

Nay, nay. They learned that lesson. That's why there's also language about "evil" features like pistol grips, flash suppressors, and adjustable stocks.

Anyone else laugh at the ban on semi-auto belt feds? I missed all of the shootings involving semi-auto Ma-dueces. [LOL]

[Gman]

I'm glad my 5.56 isn't in there. I didn't see "Homeland Defense Freedom Rifle" anywhere in there.

[waxthis]

Great letter, I hope it gets a read!!!. Bet ya a 5.56 round "if they are still legal" that you receive a standard form letter in response....[Rant1]

[Rooskibar03]

Take a note from the Californian way of dealing with laws so specific they defeat themselves. Manufacturers change the names of the guns. SOLVED!!!

They have verbiage that says all AR types. Doesn't that kill your argument?

[CrufflerSteve]

She knows that bill is DOA when it gets to the House. Pure grandstanding on her pet issue. It's the "compromise" bill that has me worried.

Damned right. Even Reid, the majority leader has issues with it. It's cover for the more reasonable measure to slide through. Unfortunately, something like this is on the long term agenda for the anti's and they feel things are shifting their way. I'm hoping that both the Senate and House spend this year gridlocked with budget fights so these all fade away.

[Ronin13]

Yes and yes. Figured I'd try it at least and see if they have the stones to answer it.
I would hope they do, but statistically unlikely.

[Fromk]

They have verbiage that says all AR types. Doesn't that kill your argument?

Yes and no. You'd be surprised what those crazy Cali guys have pulled off. What makes it an AR type? I don't see 15-22's on there. Maybe someone could make a 5.56 conversion kit! What's wrong with that?

My real, serious response to the issue is this probably won't get passed so I'm just taking a breath and getting back to work.

[Teufelhund]

I built every one of my evil black rifles from parts. They each have a half dozen brand names on them, and no model numbers/nomenclature. I'm sure they aren't exempt.

I don't think it'll pass either.

[XC700116]

Great letter, I hope it gets a read!!!. Bet ya a 5.56 round "if they are still legal" that you receive a standard form letter in response....[Rant1]

I'm betting I get that from everyone but maybe 1 person I'll be sending it to. But we'll see.


BTW, if anyone wants to copy it in full or just partial parts, have at it, just keep hammering them.

[MAP]

Probably exempted active/retired LE in order to get some of the political hacks at groups like the Major Cities Chiefs Association, the Police Foundation, and the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators (is this really a group?) to stand behind them while she knew there was no way she was going to get the American Legion, VFW or other vet groups to stand behind her on this unconstitutional crap.

I agree. They buy support with special exemptions. It would be interesting to see what kind of support they get if no LE exemption, on or off duty.

Mike

[waxthis]

So this is now an assault weapon?


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/0DD89DD5-CC9E-4C22-9A33-717841222432-3126-00000500104B1DDF.jpg

[Rucker61]

So this is now an assault weapon?


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/0DD89DD5-CC9E-4C22-9A33-717841222432-3126-00000500104B1DDF.jpg

It's an assault weapon and a sniper rifle. You get two concurrent sentences for ownership.

[james_bond_007]

I updated the Original Post (Item #1) with a searchable list oif banned firearms, to keep all the main info together.

[waxthis]

It's an assault weapon and a sniper rifle. You get two concurrent sentences for ownership.

Crap, forgot about the scope..[facepalm]

[22cal]

I also don't believe this will pass. I think the Dems are just gearing up for the 2014 battle for Congress. Just trying to make the opposition look like they are not willing to meet half-way. I also guess the public will buy into it, although I hope they don't. If they win, then we should all look out.

[NightCat]

I love the lack of mention of any REAL Machine guns.......nothing on semi-auto or even full auto PKM's, RPD's....etc

[Gman]

They have verbiage that says all AR types. Doesn't that kill your argument?
The AR-7 is an Assault Weapon? Who knew?
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Henry.jpg

[cofi]

lots of cool guns ive never even heard about on that list

http://tinypic.com/6yf8kg.jpg

Valmet M62S


http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/1/Nighthawk.JPG

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/UsedPage/LindaSetPic1-01.jpg

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine

[Robert217]

Bitch said "all belt feds"


I love the lack of mention of any REAL Machine guns.......nothing on semi-auto or even full auto PKM's, RPD's....etc

[NightCat]

Bitch said "all belt feds"
Dunno how I missed that lol.

[MED]

Yes and no. You'd be surprised what those crazy Cali guys have pulled off. What makes it an AR type? I don't see 15-22's on there. Maybe someone could make a 5.56 conversion kit! What's wrong with that?

My real, serious response to the issue is this probably won't get passed so I'm just taking a breath and getting back to work.

Not federally, but it will get passed in this state!

[bogie]

List of banned items

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/3a98fb4965548aa626c3f2b4ca07b218.jpg

This looks like she copied a book report from some junior high kid in san fransisco.

[Clint45]

Looks like she flipped through Gun Digest Assault Weapons pointing her finger at everything that was black and had a "clip." Many of those guns are highly collectable as they were only manufactured or imported in very small quantities, and I have never seen one at a gun show or stores specializing in those type of gun even back in the early 1980s. Dumbass.

[Gunner]

So just wondering, when was the last time you saw a magazine kill someone?

[Kraven251]

You're missing the part of about banning transfer, so if you die, your kids/wife/brother/WTFever can't keep your gun. That's how they dry up the supply, by confiscating them when someone passes away.

Set up a trust, but better yet, they can go fuck themselves.


I also liked the part where they pretty much put a whole slew of companies out of business.

[Gunner]

Looks like this David Chilpman retired ATF agent wants to put "AW" under NFA. No grandfather, what a load of sh!t

[Robert217]

Looks like this David Chilpman retired ATF agent wants to put "AW" under NFA. No grandfather, what a load of sh!t


Though shall not comply

[Fmedges]

Luckily I don't own an "assault weapon"

[Great-Kazoo]

lots of cool guns ive never even heard about on that list

http://tinypic.com/6yf8kg.jpg

Valmet M62S


http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/1/Nighthawk.JPG

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/UsedPage/LindaSetPic1-01.jpg

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine

Really you never heard of a Valmet, or Wilkinson carbine??





So this banning everything but black-powder, revolvers, breach loading guns, and guns with a mag tube that can't be modified to hold more than 5.
Shouldn't the list of proposed guns be much longer?

You must have missed CT's 1 bullet limit

[ferrum]

Smoke screen to slip bills like this one through?

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/1/lautenberg-introduces-magazine-bill.aspx

[Ready Room]

The Constitution bans stupid politicians such as Fuckstein and says we can swing 'em from the trees if WE so desire. Just sayin'

[Cthulhu]

The Constitution bans stupid politicians such as Fuckstein and says we can swing 'em from the trees if WE so desire. Just sayin'

Where is the like button on this infernal contraption?!?

[theGinsue]

So this is now an assault weapon?


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/0DD89DD5-CC9E-4C22-9A33-717841222432-3126-00000500104B1DDF.jpg
I count at least 8 of the attributes that she deems individually is enough to classify it as an assault weapon.
1) Semi-auto
2) Bipod (I didn't see this one stated,but I'm sure it's implied or will be equated a "forward-grip")
3) Forward-grip
4) Detachable magazine
5) Magazine over 10 rounds
6) Pistol grip
7) Adjustable stock
8) Not in "secure storage"

[theGinsue]

Smoke screen to slip bills like this one through?

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/1/lautenberg-introduces-magazine-bill.aspx



Lautenberg introduces magazine bill
Posted on January 23, 2013


Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D N.J.) introduced legislation Tuesday that would make it illegal to manufacture or sell a magazine that contains more than 10 rounds.
This is one of those bills that will get passed as a "reasonable compromise".

[DOC]

She has lost her damn mind. She has to be put out on a iceberg for retirement.

[Slapps74]

If I were S&W, Ruger, Colt ETC I think it would be time to pull together and start funding the lobbyist and pro 2A lawyers and bring the fight to them!

[USAFGopherMike]

Just watched the 98 minute youtube clip (the proper use of the word) and a bunch of scare tactic bullshit. 50 people killed at VA Tech? That meathead at the 55 minute point listing off shootings and insinuating that an AR was used at all of them. That cop from Philly,.. I mean Chicago (wonder how he's connected), who also was a chief in D.C. claiming not to be an expert but quoting a bunch of talking points and naming ARs they want to ban. He's worked in cities with the strictest gun laws and oh by the way, the highest gun violence rates in the country. Garbage. Funny, I didn't see a single republican represented amongst those so-called "leaders". All lefty dems seeking to push their agenda. I'm surprised they didn't have any children there claiming they asked for the legislation. Where are the pro-2A legislators who took an oath "to support, defend, and uphold the constitution"? Where is their CSPAN press conference? Where are the people who have been saved by someone with a weapon that holds more than 10 rounds?

[KestrelBike]

I've been mulling this over for a few weeks now, figure this is as good of place to say it... I see all the "special treatment" for LEOs getting to keep guns and not being affected by any legislation. What about veterans? We're the ones who actually train, employ, and constantly use these "assault weapons"- yet I have yet to hear any lawmaker address this. Not saying if any law is passed they should include exemptions for LE and mil vets and eff everyone else, just asking why they are going to exclude active and retired LE but not active/retired (honorable) mil as well? I would think a discharged Marine is better equipped to safely possess and own an AR-15 than a retired Mesa County Sheriff's Deputy.

But still, Feinstein needs to be arrested and charged with treason. I won't hold my breath, but that's the law...

One word: Unions. It's what sets LE apart from MIL

[USAFGopherMike]

One word: Unions. It's what sets LE apart from MIL

Fuck unions. Unions helped Obummer get reelected.

[waxthis]

I count at least 8 of the attributes that she deems individually is enough to classify it as an assault weapon.
1) Semi-auto
2) Bipod (I didn't see this one stated,but I'm sure it's implied or will be equated a "forward-grip")
3) Forward-grip
4) Detachable magazine
5) Magazine over 10 rounds
6) Pistol grip
7) Adjustable stock
8) Not in "secure storage"


Hmmmmm. What about this?
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/Turtle-Mine--29945.jpg

[Madeinhb]

Fuck unions. Unions helped Obummer get reelected.

I'm in a union and they hate me because I can't stand Obama and I'm anti union. Trying to move up and out of it.

[USAFGopherMike]

Hmmmmm. What about this?
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss170/waxthis/Turtle-Mine--29945.jpg

Very slow AW. BAN IT!!!!!

[Big E3]

It seems to be true what the Russian leader Nikita Khrushchev said "We are very patient, and it will take time to slowly take over your country, but communism will prevail". Feinstein says she wants to ban these guns so that as each owner dies they are confiscated. Only a generation away from a full scale gun ban and take over. She wrote this bill with full intent that we are so stupid that we'll think as long as we still have our guns who cares. And we're too stupid to realize that our grandkids will be defenseless when we're gone.

[USAFGopherMike]

I'm in a union and they hate me because I can't stand Obama and I'm anti union. Trying to move up and out of it.
Good luck on your escape sir.

[Ridge]

http://i.imgur.com/lNIHYA5.jpg

[Adawg38]

Anyone heard of Feinstein Dickens Cider? Yeah, that's what that Ho needs!

[rockhound]

Anyone who does not comply will be in violation and subject to having their guns confiscated, that is how you dry up the supply, if all gun owners become criminals then you can take their guns by court order

[Great-Kazoo]

Anyone who does not comply will be in violation and subject to having their guns confiscated, that is how you dry up the supply, if all gun owners become criminals then you can take their guns by court order

OR you limit ammo supply. See NY and CA for now, eventually all you have is an expensive boat paddle.

[XC700116]

Well the first reply to my email has come back. Senator Bennett
[fail]
Dear Shawn:
Thank you for contacting me regarding Senator Feinstein's assault weapons ban proposal. I appreciate hearing from you.
The numerous tragedies that our nation has had to face over the past year have been staggering. My own family, like all Americans, has been repeatedly shocked and deeply saddened by the violence we have witnessed, and my heart continues to be with the victims and their families. As Coloradans, we know how this type of tragedy can shake a community to its core and in the aftermath of these abhorrent acts our priority should be on supporting the survivors and families, and healing our communities.
We must have a real discussion in this country about finding ways to stop these senseless shootings. I believe a combination of improved access to mental health services, restrictions on certain weapons intended for the battlefield, and elimination of the gun show loophole are sensible steps that can protect our communities and particularly, our children. In Colorado, we support the right to bear arms and the ability of people to recreate, hunt, and protect their homes, and we want to keep the wrong weapons out the hands of the wrong people. I believe our state can come together to have a civil discussion that addresses these issues and as the President's taskforce releases its recommendations to prevent and reduce gun violence, we will ensure that Colorado's voices are heard.
Senator Dianne Feinstein of California plans to introduce a bill in the 113th Congress that will prohibit the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices. The ban will include 120 specifically-named firearms and will apply to large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. The bill will also require grandfathered weapons to be registered under the National Firearms Act and will include a background check of the owner and any future transferees. Although Senator Feinstein has not introduced the bill, she has indicated that she will do so at the start of the legislative session.
I look forward to reviewing Senator Feinstein's proposal, along with others brought before Senate. Let us all continue to keep the communities affected by these tragic acts in our thoughts and prayers.

I value the input of fellow Coloradans in considering the wide variety of important issues and legislative initiatives that come before the Senate. I hope you will continue to inform me of your thoughts and concerns.
For more information about my priorities as a U.S. Senator, I invite you to visit my website at http://bennet.senate.gov/. Again, thank you for contacting me.

Sincerely,
http://f1850.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f607700%5fABDXiGIAAFB3 UQKsAghwrWmb5fo&pid=2.2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailClassic
Michael F. Bennet
United States Senator



But since the auto generated email system doesn't allow for reply guess what, no answer.

[hollohas]

She wrote this bill with full intent that we are so stupid that we'll think as long as we still have our guns who cares. And we're too stupid to realize that our grandkids will be defenseless when we're gone.

Many people are that stupid.

[StreetDoctor]

Can't we just register in a trust and add the whole family then? Much like an NFA item

[XC700116]

I would think so, I'm currently gettig ready to set up an NFA trust and all my firearms will be added to it along with a few selected people that are listed as trustees.

[Busta Prima]

Anyone who does not comply will be in violation and subject to having their guns confiscated, that is how you dry up the supply, if all gun owners become criminals then you can take their guns by court order

This is the kind of thinking they're hoping for. Chances are many will comply so they can continue their hobby activities. They'll think "well I can do this registration thing but if they come for them I'll say I sold them blah blah." The timespan between registration and confiscation will be short. It would be foolish for ANYONE to register but when things like this happen we become our own worst enemies.

I doubt that horrible bill will even make it out of the Senate in it's original form. If it does there is still the House to block it. But if something passes that includes ANY form of registration then our gun hobby is essentially over and the stuff gets put away for what comes next. If you register then they know and you know damned well you're not going to blast the officers that come for them. Nobody should comply, period. We draw the line here and stick to it. That is our only hope.

[losttrail]

If this abomination appears to gain traction, we should have a sunset amendment stating that if there is another "mass shooting" involving more than two (2) victims where the perpetrator uses ANY item on the list, the entire act is null and void immediately.

[thvigil11]

Just reading through and saw this. No longer a shoulder thingy that goes up.

15 ‘‘(38) The term ‘barrel shroud’—
16 ‘‘(A) means a shroud that is attached to, or
17 partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a fire18
arm so that the shroud protects the user of the fire19
arm from heat generated by the barrel; and
20 ‘‘(B) does not include—
21 ‘‘(i) a slide that partially or completely en22
closes the barrel; or
23 ‘‘(ii) an extension of the stock along the
24 bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or
25 substantially encircle the barrel.

Is it just me or does this sound like a way to generally ensnare anything that has a handguard on it?

Full text is here
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=9a9270d5-ce4d-49fb-9b2f-69e69f517fb4

Nice list of the exempted firearms by name, (nice of them) I notice no pistols made the exempt list at all.

[hatidua]

Although I find the entire bill absurd, why did a barrel shroud ever, even back in '94, make the list? I don't expect Feinstein to make sense or do anything based on logic or fact, but how does the presence, or absence, of a barrel shroud somehow make a shotgun more lethal?

[zteknik]

Although I find the entire bill absurd, why did a barrel shroud ever, even back in '94, make the list? I don't expect Feinstein to make sense or do anything based on logic or fact, but how does the presence, or absence, of a barrel shroud somehow make a shotgun more lethal?

In her twisted mind probably from some movies she saw they had them on the shotguns while on killing sprees...

[XC700116]

This is REALLY BAD,

So basically every piece of this thing would have to be contested in SCOTUS and tossed to get rid of it, barring a separate act that repeals it.



SEC. 7. SEVERABILITY.

If any provision of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or the application of such provision or amend ment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby.

[hollohas]

Is it just me or does this sound like a way to generally ensnare anything that has a handguard on it?



That's exactly what it sounds like to me. My question is, if a rifle with a handguard is a banned "AW", does that mean it will be illegal to sell handguards under her perfect AWB? Since they are saying one evil feature makes a rifle a AW, I would suspect they would also want to ban anything that allows a post-ban rifle to be modified with these scary, murderous accessories? I haven't read it yet...

Ah, here's my answer. Aftermarket parts are included in the AWB.


‘(L) Any combination of parts from which a
firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K)
can be assembled.


Guess I should have suspected as much. So they'll grandfather your scary guns but if they breakdown, you're shit out of luck buying replacement parts.

[Zundfolge]

The truth is that the "barrel shroud" was included because it makes a regular gun look scarey. They were purposly casting a broad net so they got everything even remotely military looking out of the hands of civilians. Its about making sure that the people aren't comfortable around various types of guns so that there will be less people to fight further bans down the road.

This M1919 has a barrel shroud on it (and I guarantee this type of thing is what they were thinking of when they wrote it ... no I don't believe Carolyn McCarthy (or any other senate or congress critter) actually wrote a single word of it, like all these behemoth, byzantine laws, they're written by staffers and lobbyists and just rubber stamped by the politicritters).

http://browningmgs.com/AirGunnery/30cal/1919A4-M2.jpg

[hollohas]

If I read this right, these are ok still since they are pump and bolt even though they're "scary" looking and have virtually all the banned features. These gun haters are out of their minds. [facepalm]

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/nighthawk1.gif

http://www.barrett.net/images/firearms/mrad/mrad-hero.jpg

[Teufelhund]

Although I find the entire bill absurd, why did a barrel shroud ever, even back in '94, make the list? I don't expect Feinstein to make sense or do anything based on logic or fact, but how does the presence, or absence, of a barrel shroud somehow make a shotgun more lethal?

. . . or a flash hider, or a pistol grip, or a detachable magazine. The entire premise of this bill and its predecessor is ridiculous because all of these things are cosmetic and have zero impact on lethality. It's not supposed to make sense, it's just supposed to implement control.

[Gman]

It's difficult for the rational and logical mind to comprehend any of this mess. There is nothing rational or logical about it except for their desire to turn us into subjects.

[cofi]

so when does this thing get voted on?

[thvigil11]

The truth is that the "barrel shroud" was included because it makes a regular gun look scarey. They were purposly casting a broad net so they got everything even remotely military looking out of the hands of civilians. Its about making sure that the people aren't comfortable around various types of guns so that there will be less people to fight further bans down the road.

This M1919 has a barrel shroud on it (and I guarantee this type of thing is what they were thinking of when they wrote it ... no I don't believe Carolyn McCarthy (or any other senate or congress critter) actually wrote a single word of it, like all these behemoth, byzantine laws, they're written by staffers and lobbyists and just rubber stamped by the politicritters).

http://browningmgs.com/AirGunnery/30cal/1919A4-M2.jpg

I completely agree that was the original intent. It just looks to me as if they have redefined barrel shroud as a back door way to encompass more "Evil Features"

Does that DD, Midwest, or PRI free float handguard shield you from the heat? Does it encircle the barrel? Then it is one of those barrel shroud thingies. And it has a pistol grip? And a detachable super high capacity 7 round machinegun clip. Then I'm afraid you have an illegal weapon and have to go to the Federal Pound-Me-In-The-@$$ place we have for all you wacko/ extremists.

Ain't the first time they have rewritten the meaning of a word to suit their needs. Afraid they are casting that net even broader this time, they certainly have learned from their previous mistakes.

[hollohas]

Bolt actions are exempt, no matter how scary they look. Which just proves they simply want to ban all semi-autos...they just add that "military feature" and exempt list BS so the ignorant think they really are just trying to ban scary killing machines and not the largest quantity of firearms as possible.


The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’
means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the
following:



(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault
weapon.

Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm
that—
(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

[kidicarus13]

so when does this thing get voted on?
I would also like to know what the timeline looks like now.

[Dingo]

^^THIS^^

[BuffCyclist]

so when does this thing get voted on?
I would also like to know what the timeline looks like now.

From another thread, I learned that it can take anywhere from a single day, to several months of deliberation. It sure would be nice if they just took one look at it and said absolutely not.

With that said, Cuomo apparently handed out his bill to everyone important 20min before they started voting, which means none of them got to really research it (not like i have faith that they really do this anyway) or even really read it over.

[Benneli]

Does anyone know how long the Clinton gun ban took from announcement to vote and law?

[Kraven251]

Unlike the Clinton era ban, this one has far more opposition and folks are not suffering from the same "It couldn't happen" attitude. We may still get boned on a magazine of 10, but anything else will never make it out of the House. Be more worried about CO legislation, the way the federal proposals are put together 95% of it is already DOA. Thanks in large part to the 2A supporters in the House.

[DOC]

We need to remind them that they will loose your vote if they can't do their sworn oath and protect the constitution.

[liberty19]

[pileoshit]

[SenHolbert]

[pileoshit]


In the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "I don't care who ya' are, that's funny right there."

Thanks for sharing!

- Chris

[DOC]

In the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "I don't care who ya' are, that's funny right there."

Thanks for sharing!

- Chris
If only they really knew what people thought of their actions. They might not convince themselves that they are doing good work. Although, I think the smarter ones know that they are towing the party line and hope for great rewards from their masters later on... To bad for them the best that they can hope for is a small reward and the hope that the damage they cause never effects them.