RMGO in the news again

[funkymonkey1111]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22450545/gun-groups-records-sought-part-gay-couples-colorado

[trlcavscout]

Damn dudley and F'n pickle puffers!

[Ronin13]

Lemme get this straight- so he used a picture (no mention of how he found it- pretty one sided story there) of two guys kissing to show that certain politicians were pro-gay, and now they're requesting pretty much every shred of paper associated with RMGO? The word frivolous comes to mind here... [facepalm]

[blacklabel]

...and now they're requesting pretty much every shred of paper associated with RMGO? The word frivolous comes to mind here... [facepalm]

Or ulterior motives...

[Colorado_Outback]

If he used a picture of me without permission I would sue the shit out of them too.

Rules are rules.. You use copyrighted material with out permission you suffer the consequences.

[Ronin13]

Or ulterior motives...
Evil shenanigans!

[PugnacAutMortem]

If he used a picture of me without permission I would sue the shit out of them too.

Rules are rules.. You use copyrighted material with out permission you suffer the consequences.

Why are the consequences to turn over absolutely everything about how the organization runs? Pay the damages and move on, I can't see any reason RMGO should have to turn over anything.

[Colorado_Outback]

Why are the consequences to turn over absolutely everything about how the organization runs? Pay the damages and move on, I can't see any reason RMGO should have to turn over anything.

I'm not saying what they are asking for is right.

I'm saying if RMGO had used their brains a little they wouldn't be in this position.

[Ronin13]

If he used a picture of me without permission I would sue the shit out of them too.

Rules are rules.. You use copyrighted material with out permission you suffer the consequences.
In defense of Dudley... what if he found it via a google images search and there was no copyright information with the picture? Did you know that all your pictures posted to FB are not your copyrighted material, it becomes property of FB and can be used by them for whatever purpose they want?

[PugnacAutMortem]

I'm not saying what they are asking for is right.

I'm saying if RMGO had used their brains a little they wouldn't be in this position.

Ah my mistake. I agree though...with social media these days why would ANYBODY use a copyrighted image? Not smart.

[Monky]

Oh I can see the emails demanding money to fight this assault on our 2A rights.

[Colorado_Outback]

In defense of Dudley... what if he found it via a google images search and there was no copyright information with the picture? Did you know that all your pictures posted to FB are not your copyrighted material, it becomes property of FB and can be used by them for whatever purpose they want?

Dudley is a dumbass, plain and simple. Ignorance is a poor defense.

What if you found a copy of Steven Kings Cujo online with no author or copy right info on it? Is it right for you to slap your name on that and use it for what ever you want?

Exactly why I don't use any social media, and try to limit my exposure all places online.

[Ronin13]

Dudley is a dumbass, plain and simple. Ignorance is a poor defense.

What if you found a copy of Steven Kings Cujo online with no author or copy right info on it? Is it right for you to slap your name on that and use it for what ever you want?

Exactly why I don't use any social media, and try to limit my exposure all places online.
True... but your Cujo example was a bit off... A picture- if located for stock photo purposes, is a totally different deal than an entire book found online with author info removed. I was just saying perhaps Dudley thought he was grabbing a stock photo (for those that don't know, those are photos with open sources so anyone can use them) and this turned out not to be...

[funkymonkey1111]

Or ulterior motives...

that's what initially came to mind--the plaintiffs are represented by the southern poverty law center, which is quite quick to label folks "hate groups" or otherwise put their leftist-agenda labels on groups that say, lean to the right. no tin foil here, but seems like an interesting coincidence.

[Colorado_Outback]

True... but your Cujo example was a bit off... A picture- if located for stock photo purposes, is a totally different deal than an entire book found online with author info removed. I was just saying perhaps Dudley thought he was grabbing a stock photo (for those that don't know, those are photos with open sources so anyone can use them) and this turned out not to be...

Whos responsibility was it to make sure that the material being used is in fact open source/ stock photo? Thats right, RMGO.

Ill say it again:
If RMGO had used their brains a little they wouldn't be in this position.

And I really do think its the same thing, he stole someone elses property and used it to generate revenue in the form of donations.
Theft is theft.

[newracer]

Whos responsibility was it to make sure that the material being used is in fact open source/ stock photo? Thats right, RMGO.

Ill say it again:
If RMGO had used their brains a little they wouldn't be in this position.

And I really do think its the same thing, he stole someone elses property and used it to generate revenue in the form of donations.
Theft is theft.

The mailer was not used for RMGO purposes, it was used to campaign for an election. RMGO was not involved. It was not used to generate donations, it was used as an attack ad of the opponent.

[Colorado_Outback]

The mailer was not used for RMGO purposes, it was used to campaign for an election. RMGO was not involved.

I see that now,missed it the first time. Either way RMGO must have been involved some how being served with a subpoena and all.

[spqrzilla]

True... but your Cujo example was a bit off... A picture- if located for stock photo purposes, is a totally different deal than an entire book found online with author info removed. I was just saying perhaps Dudley thought he was grabbing a stock photo (for those that don't know, those are photos with open sources so anyone can use them) and this turned out not to be... (bold emphasis added.)

Utterly and completely untrue. Where do people get ideas like this? [Rant1]

Stock photos are copyrighted by the photograph and licensed by the stock agency like all other copyrighted material.
And if you copy them, the stock photo agency will demand money and get it or sue you.

Don't copy photos from the internet. Unless you fully understand the licensing.

[Colorado_Outback]

Good info ^^

Thanks for posting.

[newracer]

I see that now,missed it the first time. Either way RMGO must have been involved some how being served with a subpoena and all.

That is the point that RMGO is making, Dudley was volunteering for a candidate to make the mailer. Even if what he did was wrong it does not allow them to gain access to RMGO information.

[Ronin13]

I see that now,missed it the first time. Either way RMGO must have been involved some how being served with a subpoena and all.
Just Dudley- he was doing it independently, but it doesn't help RMGO's image if the CEO is involved in any wrong doing.

[Colorado_Outback]

That is the point that RMGO is making, Dudley was volunteering for a candidate to make the mailer. Even if what he did was wrong it does not allow them to gain access to RMGO information.

I agree with you.

Only time will tell, hope he has a good lawyer.

[waxthis]

In defense of Dudley... what if he found it via a google images search and there was no copyright information with the picture? Did you know that all your pictures posted to FB are not your copyrighted material, it becomes property of FB and can be used by them for whatever purpose they want?


Even the naked ones? Crap!.........

[GlockDog47]

Thats why I dont do that facebook shit.

[sabot_round]

.... I am speechless.

I'm sorry, even if we are to trust everything that is reported, where exactly does it say Mr. Brown created this artwork? That's right, that isn't alleged. He is being subpoenaed, along with another gun rights organization, simply for being connected (in an unnamed fashion). That could be anything from providing a quote about their firearms record, to providing a RMGO rating, to providing personal comment, donating money for postage, god only knows what.

Furthermore, a subpoena does not indicate anything valid in any construction of the imagination. Did you know attorneys can write subpoenas out their ass all day long? They are never issued by a judge. Pro se parties get them signed off by court clerks, but attorneys make them up as they go and shit them out like candy.

I for one can say for absolute certain that Dudley is not a graphic artist nor does he have the expertise to manipulate photos like this (why? because he was looking for gfx help). Might one of his staff performed it? Possibly, but unlikely and speculatory. The photo edit most certanly was performed by the person being sued. Are all of you daft, or just idiots? Dudley nor RMGO is being sued in this case. He is being subpoenaed as a witness.

If it was believed that Dudley edited this photo don't you believe that he would be the subject of the lawsuit?

So, it's a safe argument that he has no real involvement, yet they are subpoenaing not one, but two firearm rights organizations.

Lets see, the san fransico "packers" if we are to name a team are more associated with what political party.... oh that's right. And by far and large, save for the "pink pistols" what agenda do the vast majority of the san fransisco packer team stand for? Just in case some of the chuckleheads can't figure it out.. they don't like firearms and would love to provide DB information to some of their proponents.

You guys are attacking Dudley for a liability he wouldn't have had any awarness on, and to which the San Fransico Packers are trying to use as an opportunity to get access to privelaged lobby & firearms information. Who the fuck's side are you on?

--from the only guy that seemingly has any freaking legal experience around here.

I'm siding with foxtrot here. This is the way that I interpret the law. I understand that there is some animosity against Dudley, but I think that you guys are barking up the wrong tree!!


PERHAPS, you should be taking on DIANNE FESTER instead of bashing one of our own!!

[hatidua]

what if he found it via a google images search and there was no copyright information with the picture?

Lack of a (C) next to an image does not even remotely mean it's not a copyrighted image. Additionally, a Google image search pulls up every image they (Google) can find on that search topic, with copyright info often being cropped off the images.

Just because every single pistol in your local gun shop doesn't explicitly say "do not steal" on it doesn't mean you can walk out the door with it without paying. While the internet has made IP theft far easier than it ever has been before, it's still very much theft.

[spqrzilla]

It remains a fact that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a bunch of partisan whackjobs themselves. So its hard to figure out who to cheer for ...

[sabot_round]

IBTL!! I don't think that there is anyway to convince folks here that we're eating our own. We are our worst enemies here!! I just want to know one thing...What would it take to unite us all? Weather we are for Ar's, hunting rifles, the NRA, the RMGO, or for whatever fucking firearm or organization you want...what will the uniting factor be for all of us? They libtards are trying to take our rights away!!! Can't y'all fucking see that? Quit crying about Dudley this, RMGO that, and NRA that and do something!! Write your REPS and SENS. DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE!!!

[jerrymrc]

You guys are doing exactly what the people that want to take firearms and get rid of the 2nd want you to. all this constant fighting amongst yourselves. [Bang] I see SR got it before me. [Coffee]