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battle_sight_zero
01-28-2013, 15:21
Interesting video if you have some time http://patriotsbillboard.org/?p=4264

wARmachine15
01-28-2013, 15:29
So am I.

Teufelhund
01-28-2013, 15:32
So is the military. And local LE.

How about some practice runs, firing blanks from blacked out helos over Miami?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU&feature=player_embedded

cstone
01-28-2013, 15:44
I wish a black helicopter would hover over my house and drop a few thousand rounds of once fired brass in my yard.

I'm just sayin.

SuperiorDG
01-28-2013, 15:46
Being that they are blanks you probably can't reload them. But can you imagine the brass raining down on those cars?

griebel303
01-28-2013, 15:46
I wish a black helicopter would hover over my house and drop a few thousand rounds of once fired brass in my yard.

I'm just sayin.

haha free brass! pretty crazy video and thought provoking for sure

Fmedges
01-28-2013, 15:50
Miami? They can have it.

cofi
01-28-2013, 15:56
So is the military. And local LE.

How about some practice runs, firing blanks from blacked out helos over Miami?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU&feature=player_embedded


my buddy was a part of this!

Fmedges
01-28-2013, 15:57
my buddy was a part of this!

That would be pretty fun

buckeye4rnr
01-28-2013, 16:05
Seems like that would be the 160th and Delta or 6 so you can count those guys out for a Civil War. They'd most likely be on our side anyway.

Teufelhund
01-28-2013, 16:13
my buddy was a part of this!

Any idea what your buddy was aiming at while practicing strafing runs over a major metropolitan area? Now I'm not sure if I'm more concerned that this is happening, or that some of us are so desensitized to this that it doesn't bother you.

cofi
01-28-2013, 16:17
Any idea what your buddy was aiming at while practicing strafing runs over a major metropolitan area? Now I'm not sure if I'm more concerned that this is happening, or that some of us are so desensitized to this that it doesn't bother you.

i cant get into it but it had absolutly nothing to do with civil war or taking our guns away or anything else

griebel303
01-28-2013, 16:20
CBS miami had some more info on it and some videos of soldiers repelling onto a platform. They said it was training for "overseas urban combat"

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/blackhawks-used-in-military-training-exercise-in-miami/

The comment section has entertaining thoughts that got my mind wondering

Teufelhund
01-28-2013, 16:23
i cant get into it but it had absolutly nothing to do with civil war or taking our guns away or anything else

Understood. I'm going to go spend some quality time with the reloading bench now.

Ronin13
01-28-2013, 16:26
Seems like that would be the 160th and Delta or 6 so you can count those guys out for a Civil War. They'd most likely be on our side anyway.
Yep... most of those guys are Oath Keepers. I'd say most that are apart of Special Operations Foundation are pretty much on our side... [AR15]

griebel303
01-28-2013, 16:29
Yep... most of those guys are Oath Keepers. I'd say most that are apart of Special Operations Foundation are pretty much on our side... [AR15]
Amen

HBARleatherneck
01-28-2013, 16:32
dupe by the way.

TEAMRICO
01-28-2013, 16:32
Ok, I love how THEN the CNN and other clowns WHERE ALL FOR THE CONSTITUTION and AGAINST BIG GOV.

NOW they would wipe their arse with an original copy if they could.

Now excuse me, I have more sand bags to fill and fields of fire to clear...I mean Yardwork...YARDWORK!

Fmedges
01-28-2013, 16:54
we did things like this from time to time. On our MEU work ups we practiced by attacking buildings in downtown LA and even at one point practiced raiding abandoned houses in residential neighborhoods.


During FleetEx, the MSPF conducted a Direct Action mission, a Gas/Oil Platform takedown mission and a ship Visit, Board, Search and Seizure mission. With more than four months experience together training as a team, the MSPF was able to perfect their skills during its last pre-deployment training cycle before SOCEX.

The Direct Action mission, conducted in the Los Angeles area, tested the MSPF's ability to hunt down and secure a person indicted of a war crime from ship to shore. The MSPF's experience and teamwork enabled swift, silent and deadly success.

hollohas
01-28-2013, 17:02
My in-laws live up by the Southsite and they experience nighttime military training directly over their house almost every summer. Low flying choppers stick around for 30-45 minutes typically. Although I don't think they do any ground drills nor have they ever heard any blank firing.

SuperiorDG
01-28-2013, 17:12
Back in 1990 I had a friend that was a SEAL and he told me of the training they did in Norfolk. They would train in and on buildings. I guess they would train on climbing up the outside of buildings to gain entry, like spiderman.

10mm-man
01-28-2013, 17:19
Seems like that would be the 160th and Delta or 6 so you can count those guys out for a Civil War. They'd most likely be on our side anyway.

You think!? Civil wars often go the way you think it won't... One side is gonna lose and not all the military is gonna be on your side...... Keep dreaming!

funkymonkey1111
01-28-2013, 17:20
i cant get into it but it had absolutly nothing to do with civil war or taking our guns away or anything else

of course it didn't.

interesting on the video when the reporter used the term "military style" helicopter

bogie
01-28-2013, 18:31
http://www.granddelusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bigsis1984.jpg

baglock1
01-28-2013, 20:03
Helicopters over Houston too.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311

The Army was tight-lipped about the "multi-agency" training op.

KestrelBike
01-28-2013, 20:11
Being that they are blanks you probably can't reload them. But can you imagine the brass raining down on those cars?
5.56 blanks? Cut those bad boys down HELLO .300 BLACKOUT BRASS!!!

KestrelBike
01-28-2013, 20:12
of course it didn't.

interesting on the video when the reporter used the term "military style" helicopter

Assault Rotor Helicopter

Gman
01-28-2013, 21:29
The military elite are pretty hard core about the Constitution and protecting everyone in this country from 'evil doers' whether they be foreign or domestic.

battle_sight_zero
01-28-2013, 22:46
The military elite are pretty hard core about the Constitution and protecting everyone in this country from 'evil doers' whether they be foreign or domestic.

We can only hope

jackthewall81
01-28-2013, 23:12
Ill fight to have my freedoms back.

Cthulhu
01-28-2013, 23:38
Any idea what your buddy was aiming at while practicing strafing runs over a major metropolitan area? Now I'm not sure if I'm more concerned that this is happening, or that some of us are so desensitized to this that it doesn't bother you.
^^^THIS^^^

KevDen2005
01-29-2013, 00:11
I wish a black helicopter would hover over my house and drop a few thousand rounds of once fired brass in my yard.

I'm just sayin.


LOL!!!!

That would be extremely helpful!

Mick-Boy
01-29-2013, 01:47
Google USMC+TRUEX, training in US cities has been going on for years. Real (populated) cities offer challenges you don't get in MOUT towns. Especially when you're doing reconnaissance/surveillance or insertion on a target. Some of you guys need to loosen the tin foil.

Uberjager
01-29-2013, 02:00
Ok, I love how THEN the CNN and other clowns WHERE ALL FOR THE CONSTITUTION and AGAINST BIG GOV.

NOW they would wipe their arse with an original copy if they could.

Now excuse me, I have more sand bags to fill and fields of fire to clear...I mean Yardwork...YARDWORK!

I have more Nitric Acid to synthesize-err I mean more LSD....chemistry homework to finish

brokenscout
01-29-2013, 09:05
Why are the helicopters black if its a military op? Its weird, there are plenty of other shit holes we are already at around the world we could "train" at..

brokenscout
01-29-2013, 09:09
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/russian-soldiers-to-train-at-fort-carson

bobbyfairbanks
01-29-2013, 09:24
Helicopters only appear to be black. Regular army birds use a very dark OD green color and they appear black at night. Or they are 160th SOAR birds.

buckeye4rnr
01-29-2013, 09:39
You think!? Civil wars often go the way you think it won't... One side is gonna lose and not all the military is gonna be on your side...... Keep dreaming!

You really think the soldiers that go through the most rigorous training and testing are just going to blindly follow orders to kill fellow Americans? Those guys aren't doing it for the paycheck, they do it because they love their country and will give their lives to help keep us safe.

If you really think the smartest and most elite soldiers in our military would piss all over the constitution just because someone told them to...

griebel303
01-29-2013, 09:49
You really think the soldiers that go through the most rigorous training and testing are just going to blindly follow orders to kill fellow Americans? Those guys aren't doing it for the paycheck, they do it because they love their country and will give their lives to help keep us safe.

If you really think the smartest and most elite soldiers in our military would piss all over the constitution just because someone told them to...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W3hiYxzaMc

Well said!

Dave
01-29-2013, 09:51
When I was at Ft Hood we'd fly formations with some Apaches and Kiowa D models that would lase cars on the highway for hellfire strikes to practice keeping a fast moving ground target sighted in. I doubt any of them had a clue as to what was going on.

BushMasterBoy
01-29-2013, 10:02
Countering nuclear terrorism?

http://nnsa.energy.gov/aboutus/ourprograms/ctcp/policyandcooperation

Mick-Boy
01-29-2013, 10:03
Why are the helicopters black if its a military op? Its weird, there are plenty of other shit holes we are already at around the world we could "train" at..

Training in shit holes requires A) coordination with the host government (Yes. Even in a shit hole) B) Getting to said shit hole C)Keeping our personnel and gear secured the entire time we're in said shit hole. and D) Getting everyone back from said shit hole.

Don't get me wrong, The military uses the hell out of opportunities to train in shit holes. I did exercises in Africa that would NEVER fly in the US outside of someplace like 29 Palms or NTC.

It's a lot simpler logistically to train in the US.

Seriously this kind of exercise isn't new..

brokenscout
01-29-2013, 11:16
True, we never used black helicopters though.. Its getting weird and I can't remember this many Generals fired all at once..
Training in shit holes requires A) coordination with the host government (Yes. Even in a shit hole) B) Getting to said shit hole C)Keeping our personnel and gear secured the entire time we're in said shit hole. and D) Getting everyone back from said shit hole.

Don't get me wrong, The military uses the hell out of opportunities to train in shit holes. I did exercises in Africa that would NEVER fly in the US outside of someplace like 29 Palms or NTC.

It's a lot simpler logistically to train in the US.

Seriously this kind of exercise isn't new..

Aloha_Shooter
01-29-2013, 11:32
True, we never used black helicopters though.. Its getting weird and I can't remember this many Generals fired all at once..

It happens. There were an awful lot of general and flag officers who retired suddenly and involuntarily in 1993 and 1994 due to intemperate remarks made in public about the Commander-in-Chief. I happened to generally agree their opinions but they were wrong to make them publicly and suffered the consequences -- same as McChrystal.

buckeye4rnr
01-29-2013, 12:43
From Dale Comstock on Facebook -


The assumption by the President and liberals is that our soldiers would turn their guns on us. Bear in mind that most combat arms soldiers i.e,. Rangers, SF, Marines, 82nd Abn, Infantry are conservative in their political beliefs and I don't believe they will follow orders that are outside of the constitutional bounds and immoral. I think they will remain neutral or side with the right. I also think this is the reason Obama wants to integrate women into combat arms - to infuse liberal thought and philosophy through surrogates to dilute the conservative strain of men in combat arms. I am not suggesting all women are liberal, but in reality liberal women would be the ones most likely to join because they think they have something to prove. The liberals that suggest that we don't need guns because they are worthless against tanks need a lesson in unconventional warfare. This is what SF does - force multiplication through UW and guerrilla tactics that neutralize tanks and bring down conventional armies.

If you don't know who Dale is, badass probably describes him best but he's a former Delta operator and has a resume that would make everyone here feel like shit.

griebel303
01-29-2013, 13:12
Just checked Dale out. Seems like a straight beast! Awesome

Ronin13
01-29-2013, 16:20
I really hate to rain on the parade here- but your common ranks (yes, most if not all SF I've met are strict in their pro-Constitutional stance and take that oath very seriously) from my experience, most didn't join to serve their country or anything like that. About 8 out of 10 guys I went through basic with stated that the only reason they joined the Army was for the GI Bill. That said, a lot of guys I serve in the 'Stan with wouldn't ever dream of following an order that meant turning their guns on their friends and neighbors... So it's a toss up... YMMV.

HoneyBadger
01-29-2013, 16:53
I really hate to rain on the parade here- but your common ranks (yes, most if not all SF I've met are strict in their pro-Constitutional stance and take that oath very seriously) from my experience, most didn't join to serve their country or anything like that. About 8 out of 10 guys I went through basic with stated that the only reason they joined the Army was for the GI Bill. That said, a lot of guys I serve in the 'Stan with wouldn't ever dream of following an order that meant turning their guns on their friends and neighbors... So it's a toss up... YMMV.

I gotta agree with this... A lot of the guys I serve with didn't join up because because they admire the stars and stripes. A lot of service members (unfortunately) sign up because it is a steady job in a time of uncertainty with guaranteed job security (as long as you don't get a DUI) and guaranteed raises (promotions). In many cases, it pays for your college, or for your kid's college and you get free healthcare. It's certainly a different world than 10, 20, or 50 years ago... [pileoshit]

Fmedges
01-29-2013, 16:56
I really hate to rain on the parade here- but your common ranks (yes, most if not all SF I've met are strict in their pro-Constitutional stance and take that oath very seriously) from my experience, most didn't join to serve their country or anything like that. About 8 out of 10 guys I went through basic with stated that the only reason they joined the Army was for the GI Bill. That said, a lot of guys I serve in the 'Stan with wouldn't ever dream of following an order that meant turning their guns on their friends and neighbors... So it's a toss up... YMMV.

True story. The entitlement society is alive and well in the mil. To be fair however, most if not all recruiters use benefits to lure common people in. By common people I mean people who needed convincing reasons to join. Although the military is more political than little league baseball, I know lots of people who would shit on this or any administration before tearing apart the US.

idave
01-29-2013, 17:00
Just saw this letter that is supposedly signed by 1100 members of SOF community

http://guardianofvalor.com/a-letter-from-the-special-forces-community-concerning-the-second-amendment/

BushMasterBoy
01-29-2013, 17:11
Yeah , but you almost gotta have a university degree to become a officer. So joining for educational benefits is wrong?[pick-me]

Ronin13
01-29-2013, 17:32
True story. The entitlement society is alive and well in the mil. To be fair however, most if not all recruiters use benefits to lure common people in. By common people I mean people who needed convincing reasons to join. Although the military is more political than little league baseball, I know lots of people who would shit on this or any administration before tearing apart the US.
You wouldn't believe the rampant ignorance that circulated throughout the barracks on election night 2008... The loud mouths were proud to have the first black president, meanwhile, a few of us were able to look past color and say "Ah shit, there goes the country. We better keep tight lipped about this though, can't be criticizing our Commander in Chief." All the while kids were talking trash on W while he was in office... [Shake]

OneGuy67
01-29-2013, 18:41
I gotta agree with this... A lot of the guys I serve with didn't join up because because they admire the stars and stripes. A lot of service members (unfortunately) sign up because it is a steady job in a time of uncertainty with guaranteed job security (as long as you don't get a DUI) and guaranteed raises (promotions). In many cases, it pays for your college, or for your kid's college and you get free healthcare. It's certainly a different world than 10, 20, or 50 years ago... [pileoshit]

Not really. We used to call the Army "welfare in green" while I was on active duty in the 1980's. Far too many people joined for the steady job and did as little as possible to get by. One of the reasons why they went to civilian contractors handling a lot of the things around the military posts years ago. I'm not sure if it is swinging back to having military take back those jobs. I do see at Fort Carson that military personnel are taking back some of the range control jobs and MP's are back at the gates.

Fmedges
01-29-2013, 18:52
Not really. We used to call the Army "welfare in green" while I was on active duty in the 1980's. Far too many people joined for the steady job and did as little as possible to get by. One of the reasons why they went to civilian contractors handling a lot of the things around the military posts years ago. I'm not sure if it is swinging back to having military take back those jobs. I do see at Fort Carson that military personnel are taking back some of the range control jobs and MP's are back at the gates.

Political beliefs and reasons for joining aside, all of the Marines that I was ever around wanted to destroy the enemy and kill everything that we were allowed to. Nobody liked all the day to day bullshit, but anybody that truly didn't want to kick ass was weeded out in boot camp. The benefit of a fighting force of ~175,000 was that your reputation followed you and if you were a shitbird, you didn't last past your first enlistment. It blows my mind to realize that the whole Corps manpower wise could fit in three of the broncos stadiums.

Rucker61
01-29-2013, 19:47
Not really. We used to call the Army "welfare in green" while I was on active duty in the 1980's. Far too many people joined for the steady job and did as little as possible to get by. One of the reasons why they went to civilian contractors handling a lot of the things around the military posts years ago. I'm not sure if it is swinging back to having military take back those jobs. I do see at Fort Carson that military personnel are taking back some of the range control jobs and MP's are back at the gates.

What did they do with ROAD status E7s and E8s if the range control jobs were held by civilians?

tmckay2
01-29-2013, 20:20
You wouldn't believe the rampant ignorance that circulated throughout the barracks on election night 2008... The loud mouths were proud to have the first black president, meanwhile, a few of us were able to look past color and say "Ah shit, there goes the country. We better keep tight lipped about this though, can't be criticizing our Commander in Chief." All the while kids were talking trash on W while he was in office... [Shake]

you know for all of the mistakes W made i always felt like we actually genuinely cared about the troops.

Slapps74
01-29-2013, 22:52
Good thread

Ronin13
01-30-2013, 12:45
you know for all of the mistakes W made i always felt like we actually genuinely cared about the troops.
You would probably vomit from the stories I've heard in the difference between visits at Walter Reed with W and Obama... A friend of mine- who was in Walter Reed from 2008-2009 was visited just after his injuries by George W, then about 3 mos before he finally was discharged got to meet Obama. STARK differences- Obama was slightly disrespectful, pompous, and didn't act like he really gave two shits... W on the other hand, had his staff interrupt twice because he was chatting it up and wanted to meet with as many wounded warriors as possible- seemed like he genuinely cared in my buddies opinion.

griebel303
01-30-2013, 13:17
You would probably vomit from the stories I've heard in the difference between visits at Walter Reed with W and Obama... A friend of mine- who was in Walter Reed from 2008-2009 was visited just after his injuries by George W, then about 3 mos before he finally was discharged got to meet Obama. STARK differences- Obama was slightly disrespectful, pompous, and didn't act like he really gave two shits... W on the other hand, had his staff interrupt twice because he was chatting it up and wanted to meet with as many wounded warriors as possible- seemed like he genuinely cared in my buddies opinion.

That is sad to think that soldiers who not just served, but had the rest of their life changed due to injuries get treated in that fashion by their Commander in Chief.