" I dont care about the second amendment"

[Goodburbon]

" I dont have a right to bear arms, i have my guns"

So say the two guys i work with who are both felons...[Bang]


Between them, theyve confessed to glock, Amd-65, dpms oracle.

[brokenscout]

Nice

[Dave_L]

If you see/hear something, say something. ;)

[brokenscout]

if you were in NJ you could make $2,000:)

[Goodburbon]

Both are now married and VERY gainfully employed. Saying something would punish them while being productive members of society, and put their dependants on the dole. lose-lose.

[Jackrabbit]

This is why I don't agree with the blanket law of saying felons have no more R to KBA.
You can get labeled a felon for all manor of things.

I know a guy who made one mistake at 15 years old (25 years ago) that blacklisted him. Hasn't been in trouble since. Married, kids, good job, helluva nice guy, etc.

If someone is too dangerous to own a gun, they should be locked up. Free men should have their rights.

[Ridge]

Saying something would punish them while being productive members of society

They're currently committing felonies.

[theGinsue]

This is why I don't agree with the blanket law of saying felons have no more R to KBA.
You can get labeled a felon for all manor of things.

If someone is too dangerous to own a gun, they should be locked up. Free men should have their rights.
Agree with your first statement. Regarding this second statement, doesn't the Constitution and other supporting documents written by our Founding Fathers specifically repeatedly refer to "no free man shall be debarred....."?

[cofi]

"no free man shall be debarred....."?

[Goodburbon]

They're currently committing felonies.
And harming no one. Reporting them would create a burden on their families and the state. Big picture.

[Rucker61]

And harming no one.

So far.

[cofi]

no one likes a tattletale

[Kraven251]

Or they are present in their home, and since they are both married...registered to their wives.

[XC700116]

Both are now married and VERY gainfully employed. Saying something would punish them while being productive members of society, and put their dependants on the dole. lose-lose.

Tell them to get off their asses and get their record expunged and their 2A rights reinstated. One of my employees has done it, and I know others that have, it's not that difficult. IMO if you've served your debt to society and turned your life into a productive one instead of a destructive one, you should be able to own firearms, but you should do it the right way. This of course comes with the exception of murderers and pedophiles as you shouldn't get a second chance on either case IMO and should never see the light of day either.

[20X11]

Or they have been pardoned, or had their rights restored to them through due process.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

I'm guessing you will be getting a visit soon. Just so you know there are LEOs on here. Unless you don't like these guys if so where do you work, I would like to be "very gainfully employed" since those two guys you just narked out probly will be going away soon.

[clublights]

Or they have been pardoned, or had their rights restored to them through due process.


MANY States restore rights after you have " done your time"

[Goodburbon]

Lol glwt

[mdflem51]

If they are "With us" I`m cool.I know that sounds like I`m condoning felons in possession..our problems are going to be greater than that..The Kenyan means to foment insurrection..thus the spending to achieve the (Cloward -Piven) outcome. Amnesty for more illegals, medicare, medicade expanded roles. bancruptcy...on and on..My 4th Grt Grand Pa fought in the southern campaign for American independence.. (we`ve been here since the late 1600`s) I love this country and bemoan her demise..

Bloomberg , Soros, finance Obama, Hickenlooper..other Marxist`s they are in control ..be ready!

[Clint45]

Tell them to get off their asses and get their record expunged and their 2A rights reinstated. One of my employees has done it, and I know others that have, it's not that difficult. IMO if you've served your debt to society and turned your life into a productive one instead of a destructive one, you should be able to own firearms, but you should do it the right way.

The process varies depending on the state in which the offense occurred . . . and BATFE does not always recognize restoration of rights anyway. Some states automatically restore all rights as soon as the sentence is completed, some 10 or 20 years later, some require a pardon from the governor, a few require applying to the judge who sentenced them, and some don't restore rights at all (or deny 99% of pardon applications). IIRC, the concept of "prohibited persons" is fairly recent (1968) and unique to the United States. In my opinion it is contrary to the constitution and constitutes double jeopardy or extralegal persecution. If someone is dangerous, but needs to be released, subject them to court supervision indefinitely with "no firearms" a condition of their parole. If someone has completed a sentence for a minor offense that occurred 30 years in the past, they should not risk federal prison because their son wants a .22 rifle to shoot cans.

[clublights]

The process varies depending on the state in which the offense occurred . . . and BATFE does not always recognize restoration of rights anyway. Some states automatically restore all rights as soon as the sentence is completed, some 10 or 20 years later, some require a pardon from the governor, a few require applying to the judge who sentenced them, and some don't restore rights at all (or deny 99% of pardon applications). IIRC, the concept of "prohibited persons" is fairly recent (1968) and unique to the United States. In my opinion it is contrary to the constitution and constitutes double jeopardy or extralegal persecution. If someone is dangerous, but needs to be released, subject them to court supervision indefinitely with "no firearms" a condition of their parole. If someone has completed a sentence for a minor offense that occurred 30 years in the past, they should not risk federal prison because their son wants a .22 rifle to shoot cans.


EXACTLY!

[cstone]

And you know they are convicted felons because they told you?

Have you seen them in possession of guns, or is that just based on what they have told you too?

No one has ever lied about stupid things before have they?

I apologize for my cynical response. Call it an occupational hazard. I get lied to for a living [Coffee]

[XC700116]

The process varies depending on the state in which the offense occurred . . . and BATFE does not always recognize restoration of rights anyway. Some states automatically restore all rights as soon as the sentence is completed, some 10 or 20 years later, some require a pardon from the governor, a few require applying to the judge who sentenced them, and some don't restore rights at all (or deny 99% of pardon applications). IIRC, the concept of "prohibited persons" is fairly recent (1968) and unique to the United States. In my opinion it is contrary to the constitution and constitutes double jeopardy or extralegal persecution. If someone is dangerous, but needs to be released, subject them to court supervision indefinitely with "no firearms" a condition of their parole. If someone has completed a sentence for a minor offense that occurred 30 years in the past, they should not risk federal prison because their son wants a .22 rifle to shoot cans.

All true of course, it does depend on when/where it was and what Felony they committed. For my employee, it was burglary when he was 18, in CO and he got it done. Another I know from home (MN) was similar, but was 20 when he committed his offenses and had a drug problem. He's since been clean and proved that to the courts and got his rights restored.

[Jackrabbit]

My friend was told there is no recourse but a pardon from the governor. Attorney said CO doesn't expunge felonies, not even for minors.

"Dear Hickenlooper,
I'd like my rights restored so I can buy a gun..."

GFL.

[clublights]

I apologize for my cynical response. Call it an occupational hazard. I get lied to for a living [Coffee]

Cop, Judge, 1st Lt. in the Army, Or parent of a teenager ? [Beer]

[Rucker61]

And you know they are convicted felons because they told you?

Have you seen them in possession of guns, or is that just based on what they have told you too?

No one has ever lied about stupid things before have they?

I apologize for my cynical response. Call it an occupational hazard. I get lied to for a living [Coffee]

People lie in sex therapy?

[rondog]

And no guy caught taking a leak on the side of a country road should be labeled as a "sex offender" either. That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.

[sniper7]

everyone who is saying "they are felons", just remember who made the laws. I'm not saying they should or should not be able to own the guns (assuming they even own them like cstone has said). What I am saying is that if tomorrow colorado makes it a felony to own an "assault weapon", 30 round mag, or even a single round that could be used in either of those. then what?
I don't know what these guys did, so there is still plenty left to find out and decide, but I'm just throwing out the what if scenario.

[sniper7]

And no guy caught taking a leak on the side of a country road should be labeled as a "sex offender" either. That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.

yep, this is one of the worst. it's all about intent.

[sniper7]

People lie in sex therapy?


yeah, all the women you've been with have all lied to you. sorry for the terrible news.

[DHC]

My friend was told there is no recourse but a pardon from the governor. Attorney said CO doesn't expunge felonies, not even for minors.

"Dear Hickenlooper,
I'd like my rights restored so I can buy a gun..."

GFL.

In Colorado a person CAN petition the court to *seal* their criminal record (depending on the nature and type of crime), making it as if it never existed EXCEPT to members of Law Enforcement and the Judicial system. The State publishes a set of instructions at this link --> http://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms/renderForm.cfm?Form=785

Only in juvenile matters is there an "expungement," but for all practical purposes a sealed record accomplishes the same thing.

[centrarchidae]

MANY States restore rights after you have " done your time"

Colorado doesn't, in most instances. Aside from simple drug possession, adult convictions are forever here.

Unless you can talk a pardon out of Guv. Howdy Doody, anyway.

[cstone]

Cop, Judge, 1st Lt. in the Army, Or parent of a teenager ? [Beer]

2 for 4! You move to the next level [Cheer]

As for sex therapy... I'm bound by my code of ethics... and it is sticky.

[XC700116]

In Colorado a person CAN petition the court to *seal* their criminal record (depending on the nature and type of crime), making it as if it never existed EXCEPT to members of Law Enforcement and the Judicial system. The State publishes a set of instructions at this link --> http://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms/renderForm.cfm?Form=785

Only in juvenile matters is there an "expungement," but for all practical purposes a sealed record accomplishes the same thing.

Thanks for clarifying, I'm not overly familiar with the CO process, just know the one employee of mine managed to get it done.

[cfortune]

Nevermind, someone beat me to it...

[Jackrabbit]

I'd guess CBI would fall under the "law enforcement and judicial system" so a sealed record would still get you a denial on a gun purchase?

[DHC]

I'd guess CBI would fall under the "law enforcement and judicial system" so a sealed record would still get you a denial on a gun purchase?

That is correct. A sealed record does NOT vacate a conviction, hence, a background check would likely turn up the conviction.

[Great-Kazoo]

Or they are present in their home, and since they are both married...registered to their wives.

We've discussed this B4 THERE IS NO GUN REGISTRATION IN COLORADO, not yet anyway. NFA items are a different story and fall under federal laws.
for @#$%^&* sake's get it right !

regarding a "felony" After 10 years you can get it expunged on both State & federal. i know 1 person who spent the time and MONEY to clear his shit up. Wasn't cheap, then neither is FREEDOM.
Remember there are felons, then there are VIOLENT FELONS.

[Kraven251]

We've discussed this B4 THERE IS NO GUN REGISTRATION IN COLORADO, not yet anyway. NFA items are a different story and fall under federal laws.
for @#$%^&* sake's get it right !

regarding a "felony" After 10 years you can get it expunged on both State & federal. i know 1 person who spent the time and MONEY to clear his shit up. Wasn't cheap, then neither is FREEDOM.
Remember there are felons, then there are VIOLENT FELONS.

I only meant all sale, ownership, would be in their name and would either be able to prove without any doubt that the wife is the owner and sole possessor of the firearm as far as any inquiry by law enforcement would be concerned.

[WETWRKS]

I have a friend who was convicted of drug possession here in Colorado, moved to Washington state and got his rights restored there. Now here is the odd thing...Colorado doesn't recognize the restoration done by Washington state and he cannot pass a federal background check as the ATF has no process in place to restore ones rights.

[Goodburbon]

I have no reason to believe their claims of felonious crimes are false. I have not seen the weapons, I do know that they claim to have purchased them private party. I do have reason to believe they are not lying about having ownership of these weapons.

Several years ago I overheard a subordinate's confession of murder. I got burned when I requested this person's personal information so that I could verify status of warrants etc. The supervisor did not respond to me, but instead told the guy I was asking about him. I did get a chance to fire that supervisor, and did. Try not being nervous when you share a bunk room with someone who's just found out that you're investigating their claims of murder. I am not turning in anyone, their crimes are their business as long as they are not a perceivable threat to me or my family.

[RonMexico]

As Payton manning once said " snitches get stitches"

Honestly that's a tough call..... Co worker fuck them .. Family/ friend... I never heard a thing.

[RonMexico]

I'd guess CBI would fall under the "law enforcement and judicial system" so a sealed record would still get you a denial on a gun purchase?

Nope, I overheard a guy talking about having of demostic violence in 1970 but passed fed and CBI check... He also lost his govt clearance bc he popped on a drug test. Guess CBI doesn't dig in boxes to approve bgc.
I heard the check isn't based on an exact match but a process of elimination

[Melvin]

Or they are present in their home, and since they are both married...registered to their wives.

Ah the old Gordon Liddy trick.

[Melvin]

A convicted murderer or rapist released after time served can run for office all the way to the white house.

[cstone]

A convicted murderer or rapist released after time served can run for office all the way to the white house.

And if you live in the White House you don't need to own guns, they are stashed all over the place. If you make nice nice with the Secret Service they may even take you out to Beltsville and let you shoot some and do some driving on the skid pad [Flower]

[lead_magnet]

I am not turning in anyone, their crimes are their business as long as they are not a perceivable threat to me or my family.

Wow. So to hell with calling the cops when someone is breaking into your neighbors car then? Not reporting any DUIs? Eh, just let the shoplifter you just spotted go without saying anything. Holy shit man. I'm not suggesting everyone stick their neck out to the extreme, but isn't part of being a responsible gun owner/useful member of society mean that we should do the right thing, even if we ourselves don't benefit by it? That's just a very sheep like attitude to have. To hell with "fight the good fight" I suppose.

So these guys, who have allegedly committed UNKNOWN felonies have a Glock, and AK and and AR pattern rifle? Well, lets explore that idea... hmmm.. they said "felony"... DV isn't a felony unless there is SBI or some other factor involved. So these guys probably committed either Felony Menacing (threatening someone with a deadly weapon), Aggravated Burg/Rob (again, use of a weapon) and so on... are we noticing something? The use of a weapon ... in other words NOT SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO OWN A GUN. They had their chance. But hey are supposedly reformed and all better now? I think your ignoring the fact that both are willing to continue to engage in illegal activity and don't seem to ashamed of doing so.

I know the response that is coming, "what if it was just a drug crime". Lets explore that, shall we? This means that they weren't caught smoking a J at their buddies house. This is either possession of either a very large quantity of pot, or dist., or possession of something far worse (meth, coke, heroin, etc.), again, not someone that should have a weapon.

Keep in mind that being arrested for a felony is a different ballgame than getting convicted of one. Most people arrested for a felony will plea out to a misdemeanor charge. So whatever they were hit with was probably substantial enough that either the judge or the DA was unwilling to let them plea to something lesser. So I for one don't buy the bullshit that some others here have suggested that these poor helpless little angels got caught taking a leek on the side of the road and is now a registered sex offender who just wants to teach his kid to shoot a .22lr. Get real. /rant

Again, I'm not attacking your decision do nothing (hmmm, I'm reminded of a quote there), what I am attacking is your attitude toward the situation.

Keep in mind I don't frequently attack people on here, but really look at what you're doing. You openly announce on a public forum that you have knowledge of felonious firearm related activity, and that you don't care about it, and your not interested in doing anything about it. Not the wisest of decisions, and if it were up to me I would have this thread deleted and reported to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office. I'm pretty sure the latter has already been taken care of.

[Ashton]

Wow. So to hell with calling the cops when someone is breaking into your neighbors car then? Not reporting any DUIs? Eh, just let the shoplifter you just spotted go without saying anything. Holy shit man. I'm not suggesting everyone stick their neck out to the extreme, but isn't part of being a responsible gun owner/useful member of society mean that we should do the right thing, even if we ourselves don't benefit by it? That's just a very sheep like attitude to have. To hell with "fight the good fight" I suppose.

So these guys, who have allegedly committed UNKNOWN felonies have a Glock, and AK and and AR pattern rifle? Well, lets explore that idea... hmmm.. they said "felony"... DV isn't a felony unless there is SBI or some other factor involved. So these guys probably committed either Felony Menacing (threatening someone with a deadly weapon), Aggravated Burg/Rob (again, use of a weapon) and so on... are we noticing something? The use of a weapon ... in other words NOT SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO OWN A GUN. They had their chance. But hey are supposedly reformed and all better now? I think your ignoring the fact that both are willing to continue to engage in illegal activity and don't seem to ashamed of doing so.

I know the response that is coming, "what if it was just a drug crime". Lets explore that, shall we? This means that they weren't caught smoking a J at their buddies house. This is either possession of either a very large quantity of pot, or dist., or possession of something far worse (meth, coke, heroin, etc.), again, not someone that should have a weapon.

Keep in mind that being arrested for a felony is a different ballgame than getting convicted of one. Most people arrested for a felony will plea out to a misdemeanor charge. So whatever they were hit with was probably substantial enough that either the judge or the DA was unwilling to let them plea to something lesser. So I for one don't buy the bullshit that some others here have suggested that these poor helpless little angels got caught taking a leek on the side of the road and is now a registered sex offender who just wants to teach his kid to shoot a .22lr. Get real. /rant

Again, I'm not attacking your decision do nothing (hmmm, I'm reminded of a quote there), what I am attacking is your attitude toward the situation.

Keep in mind I don't frequently attack people on here, but really look at what you're doing. You openly announce on a public forum that you have knowledge of felonious firearm related activity, and that you don't care about it, and your not interested in doing anything about it. Not the wisest of decisions, and if it were up to me I would have this thread deleted and reported to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office. I'm pretty sure the latter has already been taken care of.

Surely this is a moral dillema. I would be more interested in what their so called felony is though as the MAJORITY of felony charges are marijuana charges. Possession of one plant is a felony charge. Possession of a small amount of marijuana but a large amount of money is a felony charge. Granted your statistics are correct and about 75% of felony charges do get plea'd to a non felony charge before trial. IMHO MOST of those that didn't get plead down to a mis demeanor just got a shitty lawyer. A very small percentage of people truly were "shitty people" because lets be honest people who are commiting felonies know what is a felony what isn't a felony what they can carry that makes it not a felony and what they can carry that makes it a felony. True felons know the game.... So I guess the real question for me would be do they have multiple felony convictions? It's pretty damn hard to miss the train twice or more.

[Ashton]

Also the above posts are pre 64... and almost any state that doesn't have marijuana legalized. 12 OZ or possession of more then 6 plants is a felony in CO for marijuana.

With that being said I'm pro marijuana after seeing it actually prolong / ease the suffering of a cancer patient. Yup. They eventually did die. However, watching them not throw up and fall down because they were so dizzy due to the cancer and marijuanas effect on it... Also, to produce the amount of "medicine"needed to have these effects... Well lets just say you would have multiple felonies (which probably wouldn't be plea bargained).

[Goodburbon]

Wow. So to hell with calling the cops when someone is breaking into your neighbors car then? Not reporting any DUIs? Eh, just let the shoplifter you just spotted go without saying anything. Holy shit man. I'm not suggesting everyone stick their neck out to the extreme, but isn't part of being a responsible gun owner/useful member of society mean that we should do the right thing, even if we ourselves don't benefit by it? That's just a very sheep like attitude to have. To hell with "fight the good fight" I suppose.

So these guys, who have allegedly committed UNKNOWN felonies have a Glock, and AK and and AR pattern rifle? Well, lets explore that idea... hmmm.. they said "felony"... DV isn't a felony unless there is SBI or some other factor involved. So these guys probably committed either Felony Menacing (threatening someone with a deadly weapon), Aggravated Burg/Rob (again, use of a weapon) and so on... are we noticing something? The use of a weapon ... in other words NOT SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO OWN A GUN. They had their chance. But hey are supposedly reformed and all better now? I think your ignoring the fact that both are willing to continue to engage in illegal activity and don't seem to ashamed of doing so.

I know the response that is coming, "what if it was just a drug crime". Lets explore that, shall we? This means that they weren't caught smoking a J at their buddies house. This is either possession of either a very large quantity of pot, or dist., or possession of something far worse (meth, coke, heroin, etc.), again, not someone that should have a weapon.

Keep in mind that being arrested for a felony is a different ballgame than getting convicted of one. Most people arrested for a felony will plea out to a misdemeanor charge. So whatever they were hit with was probably substantial enough that either the judge or the DA was unwilling to let them plea to something lesser. So I for one don't buy the bullshit that some others here have suggested that these poor helpless little angels got caught taking a leek on the side of the road and is now a registered sex offender who just wants to teach his kid to shoot a .22lr. Get real. /rant

Again, I'm not attacking your decision do nothing (hmmm, I'm reminded of a quote there), what I am attacking is your attitude toward the situation.

Keep in mind I don't frequently attack people on here, but really look at what you're doing. You openly announce on a public forum that you have knowledge of felonious firearm related activity, and that you don't care about it, and your not interested in doing anything about it. Not the wisest of decisions, and if it were up to me I would have this thread deleted and reported to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office. I'm pretty sure the latter has already been taken care of.

Are you serious? Wtf do you think fremont co will do? Nothing. Why? Its none of their business. You think someone has/ will call the cops on me for hearsay? Remember i havent actually seen anything. Close the thread? What is it with you people?

I wanted to reiterate the fact that criminals dont obey laws, and youre going full retard on me.

[Ashton]

Are you serious? Wtf do you think fremont co will do? Nothing. Why? Its none of their business. You think someone has/ will call the cops on me for hearsay? Remember i havent actually seen anything. Close the thread? What is it with you people?

I wanted to reiterate the fact that criminals dont obey laws, and youre going full retard on me.

LOL I wouldn't worry. Even if someone did call in a tip. They wouldn't do anything. You posted on a public forum uncircumstantial evidence that you may know of a felon through hearsay? It would cost actual money to prove that said felons are actual felons and said felons actually possess said firearms that you "heard" about.

[Goodburbon]

LOL I wouldn't worry. Even if someone did call in a tip. They wouldn't do anything. You posted on a public forum uncircumstantial evidence that you may know of a felon through hearsay? It would cost actual money to prove that said felons are actual felons and said felons actually possess said firearms that you "heard" about.

Exactly. Fremont would also be a little out of their jurisdiction.

[lead_magnet]

Are you serious? Wtf do you think fremont co will do? Nothing. Why? Its none of their business. You think someone has/ will call the cops on me for hearsay? Remember i havent actually seen anything. Close the thread? What is it with you people?

I wanted to reiterate the fact that criminals dont obey laws, and youre going full retard on me.

You miss the whole point. It doesn't matter what Fremont does with it, what matters is that the right thing was done, and quite frankly if I wasn't beaten to it I would have done the same thing.

You did a little more than state that criminals don't obey laws, you presented a very nonchalant and apathetic view towards an event that you yourself were involved in. Like it or not, someone told you they had committed a felony, and gave you details as to the what and where. Enough for a search warrant? Nope, but that's not your job. Your job is to do the right thing. If someone else drops the ball your hands are still clean. Taking an apathetic and haphazard approach of "Meh, not my problem." especially when the views you've presented here, about ignoring crimes of illegal firearm purchases and possession by convicted felons can color the forum and its members in a very negative light.

How do you know they aren't currently under investigation? What if that's a missing piece of the puzzle? What if they are being investigated for something totally different and giving them the heads up about the involvement of weapons saves someone's life? Wait...what's wrong with me, not my problem right?

[lead_magnet]

I apologize, I don't know what came over me. It was totally absurd of me to be concerned about a convicted felon in possession of an AK and a Glock. Carry on, nothing to see here, I'm going to go outside now and try to nab me a J walker.

[Ashton]

You miss the whole point. It doesn't matter what Fremont does with it, what matters is that the right thing was done, and quite frankly if I wasn't beaten to it I would have done the same thing.

You did a little more than state that criminals don't obey laws, you presented a very nonchalant and apathetic view towards an event that you yourself were involved in. Like it or not, someone told you they had committed a felony, and gave you details as to the what and where. Enough for a search warrant? Nope, but that's not your job. Your job is to do the right thing. If someone else drops the ball your hands are still clean. Taking an apathetic and haphazard approach of "Meh, not my problem." especially when the views you've presented here, about ignoring crimes of illegal firearm purchases and possession by convicted felons can color the forum and its members in a very negative light.

How do you know they aren't currently under investigation? What if that's a missing piece of the puzzle? What if they are being investigated for something totally different and giving them the heads up about the involvement of weapons saves someone's life? Wait...what's wrong with me, not my problem right?


So lets pretend that you are being a "decent citizen" and reporting something that should be reported. They could be being investigated for rape or murder. But more then likely it's drugs (over 80%). It's no secret the cartels have infiltrated our justice system and kill people to protect their drugs I actually can provide statistics and percentages here but it's a very small number as most drug king pins don't entrust millions of dollars worth of drugs with random people...? The cartels use fully automatic rifles, often. They traffic drugs in dead corpses. We have whole DEA teams who track said individuals who traffic this shit and usually don't get a conviction (it's funny what good legal representation and money can buy.)

At the end of the day you're more then likely just causing a PRODUCTIVE US citizen who is legal, legal problems. Which are costly. Is it funny that one could report you for said offenses and you would be treated the same way? Meaning ANYONE could say hey i heard fucking lead_magnet is trafficking improvised explosive devices. You would likely be tied up in court for years, any income you made would likely goto legal costs unless you're independently wealthy. Even if you were independently wealthy you would be in the "system" for years.

[Goodburbon]

Dear Mr sheriff. Someone on the internet whose reported location is in fremont CO has said that he overheard felons tell saying that they have guns. Kthxbye.

[Goodburbon]

quite frankly if I wasn't beaten to it I would have done the same thing.


See something, say something.

Good little NAZIs.


:rolleyes:

[Byte Stryke]

They're currently committing felonies.


Mallus Prohibitum

[Clint45]

See something, say something.

Good little NAZIs.


Well, with all due respect, it might be in your best interest to delete or change your original post. There is a little known federal statute in 18 USC 4 called "Misprision of Felony" sometimes used to apply pressure to family members and associates of individuals under investigation. What this means is that, if you have direct knowledge of a federal felony and either conceal it or fail to report it, that is a crime one can be prosecuted for. However, hearsay or an overheard bit of conversation taken out of context does not constitute "direct knowledge." You do not know this to be factual, and it is possible you misheard or misunderstood or they were either confabulating or discussing some other guy or even something they saw in a film. You do not know for a fact they are prohibited persons, and you have not seen them in possession of a firearm . . . if that were so, you might have something to worry about. Everything you post here can be subpoenaed, your IP address can be tracked to your physical location, and several BATFE agents are members here . . . actually, I'd be surprised if at least one wasn't a moderator.

[cofi]

See something, say something.

Good little NAZIs.


:rolleyes:

this! lead you should try to get on the force out in jersey you would fit right in

[Bailey Guns]

Colorado provides for an affirmative defense to the charge of Possession of Weapons By a Previous Offender if the gun was possessed in the home for personal defense:

Affirmative defense under section 13, art. II, Colo. Const. A defendant charged under this section who presents competent evidence showing that his purpose in possessing weapons was the defense of his home, person, and property as recognized by section 13 of art. II, Colo. Const., thereby raises an affirmative defense. People v. Ford, 193 Colo. 459, 568 P.2d 26 (1977); People v. DeWitt, __ P.3d __ (Colo. App. 2011).


Here's another interesting Annotation under 18-12-108:

Prior Colorado conviction not predicate felony for purposes of federal prohibition of possession of firearm by felon. Defendant was wrongly charged for possession of gun by felon, because at the time of his arrest he was once again entitled to possess a gun. Under this statute defendant's civil rights had been restored ten years after he served time on his prior conviction, such rights encompassing his ability to possess a firearm. U.S. v. Hall, 20 F.3d 1066 (10th Cir. 1994).


It's quite possible the guys are committing a "crime" that no DA really wants to bother with...especially if it's in Colorado and it's been 10 years or more since they were released from supervision.

Unlike some others, I wouldn't sweat it too much.

[Great-Kazoo]

I only meant all sale, ownership, would be in their name and would either be able to prove without any doubt that the wife is the owner and sole possessor of the firearm as far as any inquiry by law enforcement would be concerned.

Ownership isn't in anyone's name UNLESS an ATF audit was called to verify point of origin of firearms. Granted the spouse can say they are hers, as spouse is,out of town / state for prolonged periods of time. She feels firearm is for her and children's safety.
No registration in CO Please delete such thoughts from our minds.

[Ronin13]

So lets pretend that you are being a "decent citizen" and reporting something that should be reported. They could be being investigated for rape or murder. But more then likely it's drugs (over 80%). It's no secret the cartels have infiltrated our justice system and kill people to protect their drugs I actually can provide statistics and percentages here but it's a very small number as most drug king pins don't entrust millions of dollars worth of drugs with random people...? The cartels use fully automatic rifles, often. They traffic drugs in dead corpses. We have whole DEA teams who track said individuals who traffic this shit and usually don't get a conviction (it's funny what good legal representation and money can buy.)

At the end of the day you're more then likely just causing a PRODUCTIVE US citizen who is legal, legal problems. Which are costly. Is it funny that one could report you for said offenses and you would be treated the same way? Meaning ANYONE could say hey i heard fucking lead_magnet is trafficking improvised explosive devices. You would likely be tied up in court for years, any income you made would likely goto legal costs unless you're independently wealthy. Even if you were independently wealthy you would be in the "system" for years.
Not attacking you at all, but what in the Zeus are you talking about!? Cartels have infiltrated our justice system and kill people!? What!? Please explain this one- unless of course you currently live in Mexico and you're talking about there.

[Melvin]

I apologize, I don't know what came over me. It was totally absurd of me to be concerned about a convicted felon in possession of an AK and a Glock. Carry on, nothing to see here, I'm going to go outside now and try to nab me a J walker.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

The official US motto:
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[lead_magnet]

^This

[lead_magnet]

Well, with all due respect, it might be in your best interest to delete or change your original post. There is a little known federal statute in 18 USC 4 called "Misprision of Felony" sometimes used to apply pressure to family members and associates of individuals under investigation. What this means is that, if you have direct knowledge of a federal felony and either conceal it or fail to report it, that is a crime one can be prosecuted for. However, hearsay or an overheard bit of conversation taken out of context does not constitute "direct knowledge." You do not know this to be factual, and it is possible you misheard or misunderstood or they were either confabulating or discussing some other guy or even something they saw in a film. You do not know for a fact they are prohibited persons, and you have not seen them in possession of a firearm . . . if that were so, you might have something to worry about. Everything you post here can be subpoenaed, your IP address can be tracked to your physical location, and several BATFE agents are members here . . . actually, I'd be surprised if at least one wasn't a moderator.

Exactly, can you be prosecuted for what you posted here? Nope. That's not the issue. If you're not willing to grow a backbone and do something about the issue, then don't bitch about it. Either do something, or don't whine, but above all don't air it on a publicly accessible forum then get pissy when your called out for failing to act.

You start your thread off by telling us your pissed off about these two guys illegally possessing weapons, then reverse yourself by defending them and tell us how its none of your business and you don't really care anyway. Now everyone knows I like to argue, but can you pick a side please, it's easier that way. I'm not sure if disagree with you or myself now, what was your point again?

[handbags]

I'll be back in a few, I have to go out and buy a Nazi uniform, seeing how I apparently just stated how I wanted to start up the fourth reich.

[Goodburbon]

I was pointing out that criminals hold no regard for laws. In the context of the government attempting to make new laws against gun ownership. I wasn't bitching about the issue of them having the weapons, I was bitching about the fact that criminals have blatent disregard for law, but the solution to crime is argued to be more law. I thought it was implied by the context of the times that we live in.

I am sorry, I'm not willing to lose my job, get blackballed in my line of work and ruin 2 families lives (not including my own) just so I can tattle on a couple of guys who are finally on the right track in life AFTER they've served their time. I'm a libertarian, not a fascist. You and people like you who don't mind their own business are how we end up in prison camps...

[HBARleatherneck]

just remember

snitches get stitches.

[clworth22]

This is what is wrong with society and people these days, everyone is into everyone's business. Mind your own GD business and don't be a snItch. I also don't blame you on this post, the state and fed gov have been encouraging people to snitch on one another for a while now. Example: the flashing overhead signs on I-25, "Report Drunk Drivers dial * CSP" and "See something, say something."

[cstone]

This is what is wrong with society and people these days, everyone is into everyone's business. Mind your own GD business and don't be a snItch. I also don't blame you on this post, the state and fed gov have been encouraging people to snitch on one another for a while now. Example: the flashing overhead signs on I-25, "Report Drunk Drivers dial * CSP" and "See something, say something."

So if you are driving down I-25 and you see someone swerving across the lanes or otherwise drives as if they were somehow impaired, you wouldn't call CSP?

So if I see someone breaking into your house, then walking out the door with your valuables, I shouldn't dial 911?

So if I witness someone being beaten and raped, I shouldn't do anything?

I'm just checking. I know that wasn't the original situation in the OP, and as I stated in a previous post, the OP knows what he knows based on what the other people told him and there is no clearly defined time frame or obvious danger to anyone based on the information. I would not advocate a 911 call based on the OP's situation, however, asking someone for additional information or advice based on a desire to obtain a better understanding of the legalities would not be unwise, IMO.

The cliche "snitches get stitches," is just sophomoric. Concerned citizens, with information about a clear danger to other human beings have a moral and civic duty to act, again, IMO. Report the information and be a good witness would seem to the bare minimum action for members of a civilized community. If someone's life is in jeopardy, many of us have declared that we will be responsible and use the force necessary to protect the life of another human being.

Each to his own I guess. You know, or will find out what your conscience will bear.

Be safe.

[hurley842002]

So if you are driving down I-25 and you see someone swerving across the lanes or otherwise drives as if they were somehow impaired, you wouldn't call CSP?

So if I see someone breaking into your house, then walking out the door with your valuables, I shouldn't dial 911?

So if I witness someone being beaten and raped, I shouldn't do anything?

I'm just checking. I know that wasn't the original situation in the OP, and as I stated in a previous post, the OP knows what he knows based on what the other people told him and there is no clearly defined time frame or obvious danger to anyone based on the information. I would not advocate a 911 call based on the OP's situation, however, asking someone for additional information or advice based on a desire to obtain a better understanding of the legalities would not be unwise, IMO.

The cliche "snitches get stitches," is just sophomoric. Concerned citizens, with information about a clear danger to other human beings have a moral and civic duty to act, again, IMO. Report the information and be a good witness would seem to the bare minimum action for members of a civilized community. If someone's life is in jeopardy, many of us have declared that we will be responsible and use the force necessary to protect the life of another human being.

Each to his own I guess. You know, or will find out what your conscience will bear.

Be safe.

Couldn't have said it better!

[Goodburbon]

Couldn't have said it better!

reductio ad absurdum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum) arguments? Yeah, solid.

[hurley842002]

reductio ad absurdum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum) arguments? Yeah, solid.

Yeah sure whatever you say :rolleyes:

[DireWolf]

So if you are driving down I-25 and you see someone swerving across the lanes or otherwise drives as if they were somehow impaired, you wouldn't call CSP?

So if I see someone breaking into your house, then walking out the door with your valuables, I shouldn't dial 911?

So if I witness someone being beaten and raped, I shouldn't do anything?

I'm just checking. I know that wasn't the original situation in the OP, and as I stated in a previous post, the OP knows what he knows based on what the other people told him and there is no clearly defined time frame or obvious danger to anyone based on the information. I would not advocate a 911 call based on the OP's situation, however, asking someone for additional information or advice based on a desire to obtain a better understanding of the legalities would not be unwise, IMO.

The cliche "snitches get stitches," is just sophomoric. Concerned citizens, with information about a clear danger to other human beings have a moral and civic duty to act, again, IMO. Report the information and be a good witness would seem to the bare minimum action for members of a civilized community. If someone's life is in jeopardy, many of us have declared that we will be responsible and use the force necessary to protect the life of another human being.

Each to his own I guess. You know, or will find out what your conscience will bear.

Be safe.

^^^Well said and agree 100%.

When you get right down to it, there's a big difference between being a good person with morals/integrity and/or acting to stop/prevent something bad from happening (i.e. - there is an eminent and/or credible threat), and walking around with a childish "tattle-tale" mentality all the time, always trying to get people jammed up for pretty much no reason because <insert stupid insecurity/prejudice here>...

[mitch]

just remember

snitches get stitches.

"Stitches"? That's an odd name for a body bag....

Anywho, I heard this guy from Africa talk about trying to run for Congress in Illinois. Y'all think I should say something? It's been several years ago since I overheard this....

[HBARleatherneck]

"Stitches"? That's an odd name for a body bag....

Anywho, I heard this guy from Africa talk about trying to run for Congress in Illinois. Y'all think I should say something? It's been several years ago since I overheard this....

concrete shoes whatever.

i doubt anyone will listen to you about the halfrican.

[lead_magnet]

LMAFO @ "snitches get stitches" , you guys are precious, idle threats are just plain cute.