View Full Version : The sad reality of the future
This has been a very interesting month. I wish I could say I was shocked and surprised by what I have read, but the reality is I knew before the first word what to expect. The lament that is so often heard when I am around folks my age and just older is "How the hell did this happen? How did oblama get elected much less re-elected? How have things slipped so far off course?"
The simple answer is that 90% of Americans are liberal on a scale of 1-100%. Oh sure there are those that will stomp their feet indignantly about that but the truth of the matter is you don't really have to dig but just beneath the surface to get it to bubble out. These people would never think of themselves as libs until you say the magic words that could only gore a lib's ox and "WALLA!!!" here it comes. It isn't limited to any topic. It could be anything from 2nd Amendment to cat soup. The pre and post 1980 divide is a chasm wider than the Grand Canyon. In fact you would be hard pushed to find 1% of the post 1980 population that even knows how to spell conservative much less knows what it means. Let's hear it for public schools and liberal art colleges. They have successfully molded the young skulls full of mush into block headed automatons. Original thought is as foreign a concept as is personal responsibility. The idea of right and wrong, black and white is too "judgmental".
The post 1980 lot are not solely to blame. Their predecessors have a portion of the blame due them. Theirs is not about being blissfully ignorant. No theirs is a worse crime because they had the benefit of the knowledge to know what they were witnessing was wrong, but their cowardice aided and abetted the unfettered decent. Self adoration and self gratification is always ahead of community and country. Is it any wonder that true patriotism joined common sense in the graveyard a long time ago.
America was always a country that allowed its deeds large and small do the talking. Which is why it became the envy of the world and the desire of the heart for all those around the world who valued freedom above all. But now all it is, is words floating on hot air generated by a citizenry that has never done a damn thing for this country but wants to take credit for the deeds of their predecessors while squandering the rights, liberty and freedom that so many of those predecessors sacrificed for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkPGlVqqEP0
Goodburbon
01-30-2013, 03:02
The word is voila.
I can also spell conservative.
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 07:11
He's just so gosh-darned passionate about it. That's got to count for something, right?
airborneranger
01-30-2013, 07:14
The word is voila.
I can also spell conservative.
You are what is wrong with the nation!! You have no ability to understand this because you were born after 1980. Obviously, you are an idiot.
[ROFL2]
TheBelly
01-30-2013, 07:29
I'm a 70's kid (barely). I have a liberal arts degree. I'm pretty dang conservative.
Welcome to Costco, I love you :-D
I was born in 1980 and I will agree a bunch of kids that went to school with are piles of lazinesd, ut to blame them for all that is wrong and going worse, is not really the answer. You want to be mad because the world is so stupid now, cool be mad. We aren't the the ones who made the PC boom in the 90's, we were kids. We didn't write the curriculum in school that directed us toward a nice, easy, high paying computer jobs and away from jobs where you use your hands. That generation of adults that taught us how to be lazy and jealous of what other people have might be a little more realistic place to blame. I'm not arguing that it isn't getting worse and probably going to get a lot worse but as the saying goes, "Don't throw rocks from your glass house."
10mm-man
01-30-2013, 08:03
I'm a 70's kid (barely). I have a liberal arts degree. I'm pretty dang conservative.
You only think you are, dig a little deeper and your really a liberal!! [LOL][ROFL1]
Did I diagnose that correctly, as i took it from the op......?
Bailey Guns
01-30-2013, 08:07
At least the video clip was fun.
At least the video clip was fun.
a very funny movie
I think it is more a problem with the hippies and counterculture having kids and now controlling this country. My 12 year old son follows a more traditional set of values and embraces personal responsibility, but I was raised by a WWII vet and I hold his values.
Kraven251
01-30-2013, 08:40
I grew up in the 80's. I have views that would be considered liberal, but my views exist because of the concept of free will. I would trade in my desk chair and my keyboard in a heartbeat if I could make the same cash for the same hours doing landscaping or farming, but that opportunity isn't there. The PC movement hurt this country in ways that I suspect still haven't been fully revealed.
The difference between the stereotypical Conservative and Liberal is non-existent. They both want your money; they both want to tell you how to live; they both want you to accept their definition of morality; and they are both wrong for trying to dictate how anyone should live in the first place. The only difference, their approach.
Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.
It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?
I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.
Be safe.
I'm not even sure what I just read.
Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.
It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?
I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.
Be safe.
well said sir [Beer]
KestrelBike
01-30-2013, 09:09
I'm not even sure what I just read.
Enough to confirm what I've thought about the rest of his posts in general!
dwalker460
01-30-2013, 09:17
I grew up in the 80's. I have views that would be considered liberal, but my views exist because of the concept of free will. I would trade in my desk chair and my keyboard in a heartbeat if I could make the same cash for the same hours doing landscaping or farming, but that opportunity isn't there. The PC movement hurt this country in ways that I suspect still haven't been fully revealed.
I can agree with that for the most part.
The difference between the stereotypical Conservative and Liberal is non-existent. They both want your money; they both want to tell you how to live; they both want you to accept their definition of morality; and they are both wrong for trying to dictate how anyone should live in the first place. The only difference, their approach.
I STRONGLY dis-agree here. I am a stereotypical Conservative and there is a broad distance between myself and "Liberal". I dont want your money and I dont want new taxes and I want to end all entitlements. Now I do believe that some of our Conservative POLITICIANS bend a little too easily and pander far too much to the "moderates" in our country, which ultimately means they lean Left, with a twist. The way we fix this is to vote in stronger Conservatives and make it clear that pandering to moderates in this country is just not acceptable.
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2013, 09:27
Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.
It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?
I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.
Be safe.
When you approach it this way , 2 Bush II and now the second term for O has us at 12 yrs of war. Given voting age kids were between 6 & say 20 you have a decade and 1/2 of war era voting age kids. As i remember myself and others during the 60's & 70's a different approach is sought and folks tend to drift away from some of their beliefs.
Now if you ever have a conversation with our 29 yr old daughter that " liberal" mentality is no where to be found. I like it when she calls an says "There's some fukin hippies protesting, Think l'll go talk to them"
So no, Liberalism has not over taken todays society. The MSM and very well played Leftist use of social media, would have you believe it true.
Born in '84 and I'm conservative.
TheBelly
01-30-2013, 10:45
You only think you are, dig a little deeper and your really a liberal!! [LOL][ROFL1]
Did I diagnose that correctly, as i took it from the op......?
As you took it from the OP: meh.
In reality: way off base. :p
jackthewall81
01-30-2013, 10:48
I guess I'm a 90s liberal.... Sad day
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 10:53
I guess I'm a 90s liberal.... Sad day
Go to the range and work it out of your system.
The communist infiltration of this country has been going on for a VERY long time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg). We've been warned (http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm) and who can deny that at least some of these predictions were spot on.
Specifically:
"17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks."
"18. Gain control of all student newspapers."
"19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack."
"20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions."
"21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures."
"30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man.""
"31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over."
"36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions."
"40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce."
"41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents."
"45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike."
Past generations didn't pay attention or were collaborators to bring these goals to fruition. To simply blame the children of the 80's is too simplistic. They, as well as previous generations (ex. Baby Boomers), are the inevitable result of this slow insidious infiltration of our society
Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.
It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?
I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.
Be safe.
As one of those "kids" you speak of, I agree completely with this. My parents have always been conservative (father not as much anymore because of his status within the community makes him have to play the neutral card too much- business owner, board member, politically connected, former fire chief, etc), they raised me to believe in personal responsibility, work for what I have, appreciate the value of money and things, love of country, and that led to my decision to serve my nation and go to war, so that others don't have to. I was blown away when I joined and soon became bitter because so many didn't join for a contributory effort toward something bigger than themselves, they joined FOR themselves to get out of it everything without giving too much. Some probably wouldn't even save a battle buddy unless it benefited them. Not saying all were like that, but more than I had envisioned upon enlistment. Like I said yesterday in another thread, an overwhelming majority of folks I went through basic training with joined solely for the college benefits. I'm pissed that things like duty, honor, sacrifice, and love of nation are now considered "old fashioned." The fellow vets I appreciate and consider brothers for life are the ones who put more in to their service than they got out, and we are a minority it would seem (I'd love to be proven wrong, but as far as 3rd BDE, 10th Mtn from 2006-2010 is concerned, my estimation would seem correct).
When you approach it this way , 2 Bush II and now the second term for O has us at 12 yrs of war. Given voting age kids were between 6 & say 20 you have a decade and 1/2 of war era voting age kids. As i remember myself and others during the 60's & 70's a different approach is sought and folks tend to drift away from some of their beliefs.
Now if you ever have a conversation with our 29 yr old daughter that " liberal" mentality is no where to be found. I like it when she calls an says "There's some fukin hippies protesting, Think l'll go talk to them"
So no, Liberalism has not over taken todays society. The MSM and very well played Leftist use of social media, would have you believe it true.
Well put! Sounds like you did right in raising your daughter!
Born in '84 and I'm conservative.
Born just a year later and many of my friends would say I'm conservative, but I don't like being pigeonholed into that finite of a category- I would call myself a right-leaning, constitutionalist- or some have labeled me a conservative libertarian. I will consider them "fighting words" if you try and label me "liberal" like the OP... [Shake] So let's avoid broad sweeping generalizations that due to someone's age they must be more liberal minded than their elders...
robertcolorado2009
01-30-2013, 11:10
I think the OP has a misguided definition of "Liberal Arts". Here is a quote I found regarding what Liberal Arts means today:
Modern usageMathematics, science, arts, and language can all be considered part of the liberal arts. Some subsections of the liberal arts are trivium—the verbal arts: logic, grammar, and rhetoric; and quadrivium—the numerical arts: arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. Analyzing and interpreting information is also studied. Experience in the liberal arts aids in the formation and expression of well rounded opinions, via critical thinking.
so let me get this right. anyone born from 1980 - present must be a liberal who is under obamas thumb and does not posses the ability to think for themselves and earn a living, the old fashioned way? what a callous, narrow minded, ignorant thing to say. I have served in the marine corps, some of my best friends are still in and in the sandbox, fighting for your right to rant and rave. I was born in 89, served in the military and currently work in the oil field, I've been called every thing from a libertarian to a right wing terrorist by my co-workers. and yet still here I sit, still hating everything obama represents, I send my letters just like everyone else and like everyone else am upset about nothing being done. before you make another broad wide sweeping accusation such as the one you've made, think about how many other individuals out there are on the opposite side of the fence.
Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.
Obviously as predicted the indignant responses were the stuff of the sun rising in the east. I see that some don't know there is a difference between 90 and 100% or that if 1% are different that means only 99% are the same. I never said the victims of indoctrination indoctrinated themselves. My only concern is the results and consequences that stem from that indoctrination.
There was a mention that people born after 1980 have served in recent overseas conflicts. The number involved hardly equates to an entire generation. The last time a huge percentage of a generation served this country militarily was Vietnam. The vast majority of that generation born after 1980 would no more step up to serve in the military than they would help an old lady across the street, but they would assign an elk or a dog human rights.
For those who feel we are headed down the wrong road, I am simply saying that the reality is there are no bilge pumps big enough or fast enough to empty this hull of the black wave of ignorance that is sweeping over the nation. The future for those that care is going to be purely about survival. Those that disagree with me on this can not offer a single example in recorded human history that proves different.
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"Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric." -Bertrand Russell
(http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/32865.html)
Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.
(http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/32865.html)
I think I'd wager that the current 18-22 year old range has had a major effect on the voting as it has been. Obama did a pretty good job at getting college kids on board.
Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation. It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised? I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.
Agreed. Although when I do get in a pissed off mood sometimes, I like say that Gen-X was the last "good non-lazy" generation that doesn't act mentally retarded much of the time, especially when concerning politics. But I realize that's an overgeneralization. But they're fun to make fun of.
Btw, I was born before the 80's, if it matters.
This all sounds vaguely familiar...
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)
For what is worth, I'm not an 80's kid.
Bleh... 99.63 percent of the country uses arbitrary, official-sounding percentages to describe the remaining 0.37% of the populace, 100% of the time. I guarantee that 92.46% of the people on here agree with me. If they don't agree with me, they must be idiots who haven't "awoken" like I have, or even worse - not really conservatives. *shudder*
Sigh.
P.S. Wasn't this the guy that was damning people for wanting to hunt gorillas a few days ago? I'm sure the Jane Goodall crowd are crackerjack conservatives, one and all.
Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.
Obviously as predicted the indignant responses were the stuff of the sun rising in the east. I see that some don't know there is a difference between 90 and 100% or that if 1% are different that means only 99% are the same. I never said the victims of indoctrination indoctrinated themselves. My only concern is the results and consequences that stem from that indoctrination.
There was a mention that people born after 1980 have served in recent overseas conflicts. The number involved hardly equates to an entire generation. The last time a huge percentage of a generation served this country militarily was Vietnam. The vast majority of that generation born after 1980 would no more step up to serve in the military than they would help an old lady across the street, but they would assign an elk or a dog human rights.
For those who feel we are headed down the wrong road, I am simply saying that the reality is there are no bilge pumps big enough or fast enough to empty this hull of the black wave of ignorance that is sweeping over the nation. The future for those that care is going to be purely about survival. Those that disagree with me on this can not offer a single example in recorded human history that proves different.
So, for clarification, you're saying not every single person born after 1980 is liberal, but a vast and sweeping majority is? If so, I can partially agree with that. I can only provide examples from personal experience, and sadly a large portion of my HS graduating class (2003) are aligned to the left of center... It is shameful that so many in my generation would rather reap the rewards of others' hard work instead of taking some personal fucking pride and earning their own way in life.
jackthewall81
01-30-2013, 13:03
This all sounds vaguely familiar...
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)
For what is worth, I'm not an 80's kid.
I must have a lot of brains and no heart at all.
.455_Hunter
01-30-2013, 13:14
Had this forum been operational in the late 60's and early 70's, I am sure we would have heard the same complaints about "youth these days". It appears that every generation believes following generations are letting things go to hell-in-a-hand basket. Imagine the horror of the "Greatest Generation", as their kids embraced 1960's "flower power" and "free love". The country is still alive 40 years later. I graduated from Boulder High in the mid-90's, and there were A LOT of socially conservative kids in the school.
Nobody likes me because I call them all idiots.
I can't imagine why the entirety of the world population doesn't fit into your cookie cutter view of life.
I must have a lot of brains and no heart at all.
Ha! Don't worry, I've been conservative since I knew how to read...on second thought, you might want to [panic]. God forbid you turn out like me [ROFL1]
a very funny movie
Almost more depressing than funny though. The welfare trash is breeding like rabbits, while smart people are not reproducing enough, hahaaa.
You want to fix America economically? You want the majority of American people to wake up?
It's quite simple.
Elect a FISCAL conservative and tell them to keep their damn social values out of politics. People are sick and tired of politicians trying to legislate morality.
The younger generation wants all people to have equal rights. The younger generation does not want the government telling us what we can do with our bodies or who we can choose to have as our partners. What we want is for the fucking government to get out of our lives and do what the government was intended to do. Balance the budget, protect the homeland and leave us the fuck alone.
I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 13:55
I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.
Someone has to teach those 50 kids not to become generational poor. They certainly won't get it from their parents and their environment. The question is how?
You cut off the teet they are sucking on.
When there is no more food they will go elsewhere to find food. They can go to a different country that will support them or they can find a job. Either way it will not be easy, crime will sky rocket temporarily but it is the only way we can fix this country.
My guess is that if you put a halt to all entitlements to anyone who is not physically disabled or under the age of legal retirement within a decade you would see employment numbers at all time highs and ghettos will become almost non existent since those who refuse to adapt will either be dead or in prison.
XC700116
01-30-2013, 15:55
Someone has to teach those 50 kids not to become generational poor. They certainly won't get it from their parents and their environment. The question is how?
The school of hard knocks.......
I would argue it's a rare bird that comes from that weather helped by govt or not, doesn't seem to make much difference. It's evidenced by looking around at the multiple generations of the same families on govt program after govt program for decades, only they keep making more and more of them. A child growing up in such an environment will never get out unless they choose to and the only way to "push" them out is to cut off the programs that make them comfortable to stay in it.
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 16:07
The school of hard knocks.......
I would argue it's a rare bird that comes from that weather helped by govt or not, doesn't seem to make much difference. It's evidenced by looking around at the multiple generations of the same families on govt program after govt program for decades, only they keep making more and more of them.
We need to stop this part.
A child growing up in such an environment will never get out unless they choose to and the only way to "push" them out is to cut off the programs that make them comfortable to stay in it.
What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.
You want to fix America economically? You want the majority of American people to wake up?
It's quite simple.
Elect a FISCAL conservative and tell them to keep their damn social values out of politics. People are sick and tired of politicians trying to legislate morality.
The younger generation wants all people to have equal rights. The younger generation does not want the government telling us what we can do with our bodies or who we can choose to have as our partners. What we want is for the fucking government to get out of our lives and do what the government was intended to do. Balance the budget, protect the homeland and leave us the fuck alone.
I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.
A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.
And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.
What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.
You want me to call a doctor... your heart keeps bleeding... [Coffee] "Compassion is good, charity is good, but too much too often opens yourself up for being taken advantage of."
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 16:34
You want me to call a doctor... your heart keeps bleeding... [Coffee] "Compassion is good, charity is good, but too much too often opens yourself up for being taken advantage of."
Heh. I have a soft spot in my heart for kids.
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 16:35
A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.
And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.
So what laws do you wish were in place to enable and ensure a society that meets your requirements?
jreifsch80
01-30-2013, 16:44
if only welfare was all non profs and faith based orginizations
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2013, 16:52
You cut off the teet they are sucking on.
When there is no more food they will go elsewhere to find food. They can go to a different country that will support them or they can find a job. Either way it will not be easy, crime will sky rocket temporarily but it is the only way we can fix this country.
My guess is that if you put a halt to all entitlements to anyone who is not physically disabled or under the age of legal retirement within a decade you would see employment numbers at all time highs and ghettos will become almost non existent since those who refuse to adapt will either be dead or in prison.
If you halted all entitlement programs the urban areas of this country would be in flames within 30 days, if that. It would make Watts, detriot, harlem and LA after the rodney king verdict look like a little league warm up. Of course the white guilt crowd would be the first to go, all the while calling for the law to do something.[ROFL2].
Uberjager
01-30-2013, 17:07
Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.
Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.
Plenty of blame to go around.
What are we (you and me) going to do about it?
I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]
Be safe.
Delfuego
01-30-2013, 17:14
Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.This is horse shit! You wanna be a jackass go ahead. You obviously know jackshit about history. I wish my WWII veteran father was alive today to come kick you in your know-it-all nuts.
You really should look at who is running this country; "The Baby Boomers". The "Greatest Generation" grew up during the depression and no more about being "fiscally conservative" than anybody on this silly little forum.
Plenty of blame to go around.
What are we (you and me) going to do about it?
I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]
Be safe.
There is one little thing you can do on top of all that- inspire others to do the same! [Beer] If everyone did that, and was proud of it, this probably would be a better country for everyone.
Uberjager
01-30-2013, 17:22
This is horse shit! You wanna be a jackass go ahead. You obviously know jackshit about history. I wish my WWII veteran father was alive today to come kick you in your know-it-all nuts.
You really should look at who is running this country; "The Baby Boomers". The "Greatest Generation" grew up during the depression and no more about being "fiscally conservative" than anybody on this silly little forum.
What they did during World War II was amazing, but what they did after the war is what hurt America. They, not everyone mind you, set the stage for scumbag unions, for the outsourcing of jobs, and for old school welfare.
XC700116
01-30-2013, 17:24
We need to stop this part.
What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.
Unfortunately though it's human nature to take the easy road when it's presented to them. Coddling them won't change their behavior, you cut off the "programs" which are in reality a hand out, and instead, go the route of not spending that money, and not collecting it in taxes and the economy will rebound providing opportunities for them to get out. Either way, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
There is one little thing you can do on top of all that- inspire others to do the same! [Beer] If everyone did that, and was proud of it, this probably would be a better country for everyone.
Do I inspire you? [ROFL3]
XC700116
01-30-2013, 17:27
A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.
And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.
So you're saying your brand of tyranny is better than theirs. Glad we got that straight, now I can completely dismiss anything you say in the name of freedom and liberty to be absolute BS. You just want to dictate a different brand of tyranny, nothing more, nothing less.
Delfuego
01-30-2013, 17:30
What they did during World War II was amazing, but what they did after the war is what hurt America. They, not everyone mind you, set the stage for scumbag unions, for the outsourcing of jobs, and for old school welfare.I repeat: You know jack shit about history.
They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived!
The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WFT have you done?
XC700116
01-30-2013, 17:33
If you halted all entitlement programs the urban areas of this country would be in flames within 30 days, if that. It would make Watts, detriot, harlem and LA after the rodney king verdict look like a little league warm up. Of course the white guilt crowd would be the first to go, all the while calling for the law to do something.[ROFL2].
Very true, that's why it needs to be done just like it was put in place, one step at a time.
So what laws do you wish were in place to enable and ensure a society that meets your requirements?
I really only wish people would think before acting and owned the consequences of their actions. I also think that this society would be far better positioned to rise from the ashes if it returned to its patriarchal roots. This mindset that their is no need for a father to be present in the life of a child is one of those grand lies that has been repeated to the point that it is now gospel and those that would question its validity are heretics.
The other lie is this equality horse[pileoshit]. In the history of the human experience there have always been lesser and greater, and when the last human draws their last breath that will still be true. That we are all equal under the law is not the same as saying we are all equal. A doctor performing miracles with a scalpel has far greater value than some piece of garbage running around defacing the property of others with a rattlecan like a dog pissing on every pole it sees. A young woman serving you your meal has far greater value than a scumbag lawyer holding elected office passing a law that will impact her life negatively and he is exempt from it.
But I am not wanting to pass laws to change anything except maybe ignorance. That is the only solution to this whole conundrum. Truthful information. The problem is there is no delivery mechanism in place and no will to create one.
As the late great MSG Roy Benavidez CMH stated in his 1991 speech, his instructor offered him these pearls of wisdom.
"Faith, determination and a positive attitude. A positive attitude will carry you further than ability."
Determination = will.
XC700116
01-30-2013, 17:35
Plenty of blame to go around.
What are we (you and me) going to do about it?
I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]
Be safe.
Somehow miraculously get everyone else to do the same. [ROFL2]
But in all seriousness, if more people did just that, things would get better.
I repeat: You know jack shit about history.
They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived!
The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WFT have you done?
The Greatest Generation gave birth to the stupidest most selfish generation the country had known. That lot are are what in turn spawned the modern day hoopleheads which have in turn started spawning.
The Greatest Generation fought for and handed over a significantly better country than was handed them. The biggest wrench in the works was the GI Bill that for the first time allowed the kids of the working class to be exposed to the warped world views being taught in the lecture halls of academia that had before that point only corrupted the minds of the kids of the wealthy.
The Greatest Generation gave birth to the stupidest most selfish generation the country had known.
If you truly feel that way, remember they raised them that way.
Delfuego
01-30-2013, 18:14
The biggest wrench in the works was the GI BillYeah free/cheap education is a tragedy [facepalm]
Please go complain to you therapist.
I am outta here! [NoClue]
If you truly feel that way, remember they raised them that way.
They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.
Yeah free/cheap education is a tragedy [facepalm]
Like everything else in this life anything worth having is worth working for.
Rucker61
01-30-2013, 18:29
Like everything else in this life anything worth having is worth working for.
Man, I I bet your kids must love you at Christmas.
Delfuego
01-30-2013, 18:33
They worked for it asshole... 4+ years of military service!
If you dont like it, quit your complaining and do something about it! You need a new "special" title for your profile like "My College Professor Touched Me".
You though your were gonna get the last word didn't you?
<MADDOG>
01-30-2013, 18:50
I do love these discussions where everyone is right, and no one is wrong...
I think all of you bring up tangible arguments, and if taken in totality of talking points, all of you are right.
They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.
Your right. 100% right.
Happy?
SideShow Bob
01-30-2013, 19:16
Enough is enough, I just put Melvin on my IGNORE list.......
Melvin, no offence dude, but can you start a thread that doesn't end up in a [Flame]war? I'd suggest something about t!tt!es, booze, dogs, fast cars, faster women ("That's why the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser'."), [ROFL1]
blacklabel
01-30-2013, 19:34
They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.
Based on your opinion, I should be living in some vegan, hippy communion with nothing to show for it but an Obama phone.
("That's why the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser'."), [ROFL1]
I've seen that movie [LOL]
In other words, "Lighten up Francis."
I've seen that movie [LOL]
In other words, "Lighten up Francis."
Hahahaha!!!
"Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they're gonna lock me up and throw away the key"
They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived! The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WTF have you done?
I'm with ya on this Delfuego. I wasn't even born here, but I grew up in Colorado since the late 70's so I consider myself a "Native" and "Patriot", even if not hardcore Conservative. I have always preached to friends that the WWII generation will never be matched in painfully hard work, sacrifice, accomplishment, and sheer will. They saved the Western world, imo!
No offense, but I also disagree with those who believe the G.I. Bill is unfounded charity. I was never military but I bow down to their sacrifice and HAPPILY hand over my tax dollars for their G.I. Bills. They DESERVE and HAVE EARNED their college paid for, it's not charity! I don't care if that means just some vet that only served four years and never served combat, they still deserve it, imo. Look at their SHIT PAY they get, for what they do? I'm sure real vets could go on and on about this, better than I can... (and no, I'm not kissing veteran's asses because it's "fashionable", I speak from respect.)
Also the idea that all public universities are commie leftist propaganda machines has very limited value, if any. I realize some colleges are indeed liberal, and so are many professors, but the idea they're churning out leftist idiots, is in itself idiotic and closed-minded. I don't care the political persuasion, this country DESPARATELY NEEDS MORE scientists, engineers, and critical-thinkers.
I swear you just like to hear yourself talk. Coming into a pretty conservative gun forum and lumping a good percentage of us into a class of "liberals" and then saying the people that raises us fucked us up makes you look like an absolute dumbass. All the while you call us idiots....
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2013, 22:04
They worked for it asshole... 4+ years of military service! AT MINIMUM WAGE
If you dont like it, quit your complaining and do something about it! You need a new "special" title for your profile like "My College Professor Touched Me".
You though your were gonna get the last word didn't you?
http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Melvin http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=903949#post903949)
They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.
ACTUALLY i went to tech school 2x, Purchased 3 houses, put food on the table and we raised a daughter who did E5 in 5 and now in her 6th year of LE dealing with level 4 max security skells. What have you or your offspring done , besides lump WWII offspring in to a leftist group?
<MADDOG>
01-30-2013, 22:18
I don't agree with some of Melvin's comments, but what generations are in our government (all levels) right now, and how did they get there?
I will say my grandfather (The Greatest Generation) was one of the best men I have ever had the honor of knowing, and he would not be pleased with the way things are right now...
I haven't read anything in this thread, but looks like yet another successful troll from Melvin. Member less than 30 days, has over 25 threads. Many of them turn to shit storms and get closed.
Maybe it's time I start a thread about how great COAR15 used to be, until Melvin came along and turned it into Facebook.
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2013, 23:14
I haven't read anything in this thread, but looks like yet another successful troll from Melvin. Member less than 30 days, has over 25 threads. Many of them turn to shit storms and get closed.
Maybe it's time I start a thread about how great COAR15 used to be, until Melvin came along and turned it into Facebook.
If nynco stopped linking coar in his DU and moveon.org web sites we'd have 1/2 the shit we do now. Of course the other 50% would be self inflicted.
I haven't read anything in this thread, but looks like yet another successful troll from Melvin. Member less than 30 days, has over 25 threads. Many of them turn to shit storms and get closed.
Maybe it's time I start a thread about how great COAR15 used to be, until Melvin came along and turned it into Facebook.
Dont forget he threatened to hunt down and kill people on here as well.
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2013, 23:24
Dont forget he threatened to hunt down and kill people on here as well.
Should i pm my address to him. Or let him be a real hunter and track me down?
Dont forget he threatened to hunt down and kill people on here as well.
Hey asshole, if you want to hurl an accusation like that around back it up. Produce the evidence aka the quote or wind your neck in. Just because your self obsession has you believing everything written here is about you doesn't make it so. Go deal with the log in your eye before worrying about other people's splinters in theirs.
I'm really surprised this has gotten to three pages from a troll. Also, please attack me. I'm bored and like dismantling people who attack me. One post at a time.
Hey asshole, if you want to hurl an accusation like that around back it up. Produce the evidence aka the quote or wind your neck in. Just because your self obsession has you believing everything written here is about you doesn't make it so. Go deal with the log in your eye before worrying about other people's splinters in theirs.
A good mod was kind enough to take it down for you in your monkey thread so it didn't bite you later on. So far you have got pissed at people over gorillas labeled a lot of hunters morons, threatened to hunt down and kill those killers, had several of your posts/threads edited and/or closed, called a major part of the group here liberals, called the people that raised them the greatest generation, yet they were failures as parents...explain that one to me. Then you get called out on it and start calling people assholes. I just call it like I see it. I guess that makes me an asshole.
clublights
01-31-2013, 00:50
He's threatened people on here and has not been at LEAST Given a time out ?
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Also the idea that all public universities are commie leftist propaganda machines has very limited value, if any. I realize some colleges are indeed liberal, and so are many professors, but the idea they're churning out leftist idiots, is in itself idiotic and closed-minded. I don't care the political persuasion, this country DESPARATELY NEEDS MORE scientists, engineers, and critical-thinkers.
If you're not paranoid you're not paying attention. I hope you're not a fireman because the whole smoke being a good indicator of fire thing would be lost.
Youth Vote 2012 Turnout: Exit Polls Show Greater Share Of Electorate Than In 2008
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NEW YORK -- Young voters represented a greater share of the national electorate Tuesday than four years ago, once again voting for President Barack Obama by a huge margin, boosting his reelection (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/barack-obama-reelection_n_2085819.html).
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College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01
College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.
The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.
"What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals."
Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female.
The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available.
The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform.
Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary."
When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies.
"It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college."
Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal.
In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal.
The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party.
Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math.
The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses.
The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.
Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs.
The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent).
The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says.
"In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective."
A good mod was kind enough to take it down for you in your monkey thread so it didn't bite you later on. So far you have got pissed at people over gorillas labeled a lot of hunters morons, threatened to hunt down and kill those killers, had several of your posts/threads edited and/or closed, called a major part of the group here liberals, called the people that raised them the greatest generation, yet they were failures as parents...explain that one to me. Then you get called out on it and start calling people assholes. I just call it like I see it. I guess that makes me an asshole.
You really do love to interchange words don't you. I said gave birth to the stupidest generation. I also said they shipped them off to college where their indoctrination took place.
Hunting & killing poachers is actually a job created by various govt. who are trying to save their wildlife. I realize that you will never have that encounter because you only hunt legally. (well at least I am assuming you do). You know nothing about me. Where I have lived, what I have done or anything else. You just presume to to know because of that over inflated self importance.
A far wiser man than I once said, "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
Goodnight.
I was born in 1956 to parents born in 1916 & 1917, and I can vouch for the later generations having much different values than what I was raised with and exposed to. I can understand and relate to what the OP is saying, but it's not right to make it a blanket statement covering an entire age group. But this country IS facing some severe problems, and big ones. We ain't seen nothing yet.
You really do love to interchange words don't you. I said gave birth to the stupidest generation. I also said they shipped them off to college where their indoctrination took place.
Hunting & killing poachers is actually a job created by various govt. who are trying to save their wildlife. I realize that you will never have that encounter because you only hunt legally. (well at least I am assuming you do). You know nothing about me. Where I have lived, what I have done or anything else. You just presume to to know because of that over inflated self importance.
A far wiser man than I once said, "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
Goodnight.
so now we are the stupidest generation. It's a wonder why this age group doesn't sit well with your values when you think of them like that and express those feelings toward them, especially the conservative ones on this board.
There isn't a government organization in this country that is out hunting and killing poachers. Even the most recent of poachers in boulder will have the opportunity to defend themselves and likely face less serious charges.
And just as I know nothing about you other than the words you have typed on this forum, you know nothing of me. The thing I do know about you is you are a self righteous prick who speaks before thinking, calls people names on the internet to feel better about himself and lumps folks together to fit some sort of pre-conceived mold you decided some of us fit it, all the while making idle threats, then denying them shortly thereafter.
Your quote is meaningless, if you are assuming you are a clever man you are gravely mistaken, and thus my first post in this thread is accurate.
So the basic "jist" of this thread is that people of my generation( born in '83) are to blame for this current situation?
Wow, I've pretty much blamed my Dad's generation and have told him so straight to his face. You know the 50 and 60 year olds... They are the ones that are in control of the government.
Almost more depressing than funny though. The welfare trash is breeding like rabbits, while smart people are not reproducing enough, hahaaa.your kinda right . not long ago my wife was wtch one of those talent shows with howard stern as a judge and one of the acts was basically "ow my balls "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAg1r6zw7Bg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyv_MHxqRX0
Rucker61
01-31-2013, 08:35
so now we are the stupidest generation. It's a wonder why this age group doesn't sit well with your values when you think of them like that and express those feelings toward them, especially the conservative ones on this board.
There isn't a government organization in this country that is out hunting and killing poachers. Even the most recent of poachers in boulder will have the opportunity to defend themselves and likely face less serious charges.
And just as I know nothing about you other than the words you have typed on this forum, you know nothing of me. The thing I do know about you is you are a self righteous prick who speaks before thinking, calls people names on the internet to feel better about himself and lumps folks together to fit some sort of pre-conceived mold you decided some of us fit it, all the while making idle threats, then denying them shortly thereafter.
Your quote is meaningless, if you are assuming you are a clever man you are gravely mistaken, and thus my first post in this thread is accurate.
I agree with this post 100%. Melvin must be the Great Unifier to bring Sniper and me into agreement.
Great-Kazoo
01-31-2013, 08:39
I agree with this post 100%. Melvin must be the Great Unifier to bring Sniper and me into agreement.
And i agree to agree. GROUP (Ok some of us) Hug. he hasn't responded to one of my replies. perhaps it's him in the bushes and not the neighbors cat.
Blaming a generation is like blaming a corporation. People make decisions. Most people make thousands of decisions everyday. Given the billions of people making thousands of decisions, some decisions are bound to be wrong, and some will be horrific.
There are bad things in store for all of us. I assume there must be some good things in our futures as well, otherwise we all must be very brave to stick around and continue to face such a bleak, and hopeless situation.
Be safe.
so now we are the stupidest generation. It's a wonder why this age group doesn't sit well with your values when you think of them like that and express those feelings toward them, especially the conservative ones on this board.
Reality check. The conservative folks around here haven't said anything because they are confident in who they are and realize what I said makes them part of the sane minority. Now the faux conservatives on the other hand............
Hypocrites always hate being outed. Just ask Ted Haggard.
There isn't a government organization in this country that is out hunting and killing poachers. Even the most recent of poachers in boulder will have the opportunity to defend themselves and likely face less serious charges.
Again interchanging words. Guess what? Various and USA are not synonyms.
And just as I know nothing about you other than the words you have typed on this forum, you know nothing of me. The thing I do know about you is you are a self righteous prick who speaks before thinking, calls people names on the internet to feel better about himself and lumps folks together to fit some sort of pre-conceived mold you decided some of us fit it, all the while making idle threats, then denying them shortly thereafter.
And you make it up as you go along, put words in peoples statements that were never there, accuse people of making threats they never made, and thus the statement that a stupid man translates to things to a level equal to his comprehension holds true.
Your quote is meaningless, if you are assuming you are a clever man you are gravely mistaken, and thus my first post in this thread is accurate.
Sorry, all I've seen from this guy in this and previous posts, is a propensity for broadly painted, confrontational (supposed to be "edgy"?), and not particularly original, rehashes of one side or the other of subjects that have already been discussed to death. The current generation is the stupidest, welfare's created a dependent class, anybody who disagrees with me is one of the "sheep" referenced by my arbitrary percentages, blah blah blah. These are not earthshaking new ideas, nor is their delivery. It's the equivalent of me posting some revelation along the lines of,
"Wake up people! We should enforce existing gun laws, not create new ones! I'm one of the 0.2356473% who realizes this, and everyone else does not actually own any guns, or vote conservatively!"
I think he's established to me that I can just politely skip reading anything further posted by him, and do without being enriched by his epiphanies.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/melvin
And i agree to agree. GROUP (Ok some of us) Hug. he hasn't responded to one of my replies. perhaps it's him in the bushes and not the neighbors cat.
I could glass that area for you if you wish....................
[Coffee]
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