Boy Scout Shooting Program needs ammo

[Aloha_Shooter]

[Beer]

EDIT: Situation resolved -- I just got notice that the camp's order was delivered this week. I have no idea why the vendor told them their order was on indefinite hold a few weeks ago and then just went ahead and delivered it without notice but we're happy to have enough to meet this summer's requirements. Many thanks to those who offered to help -- other councils (Denver Area, Longs Peak, etc.) may have a similar need. I can't repeat this enough -- MANY THANKS to those who offered to help.



[panic] I know everyone's troubled by the current ammo shortage for their own shooting requirements but am hoping I can scrounge some help in buying quantities of .22 LR and 12 GA shotgun (2 3/4 in) ammo for Camp Alexander (Pikes Peak Council). This program helps initiate new shooters so I thought perhaps I might get some cooperation from board members in finding an in-stock source (preferably near C Springs) or picking up extra ammo when they see it. [Flower]

The camp will pay for the ammo (I have a copy of their tax-exemption certificate for these purchases) -- the problem is that they submitted their order for 11,000 rds of .22 LR and 13,000 rds of 12 GA in November and just now got told their order is on indefinite hold. I actually saw the ammo shortage coming and would have submitted the order sooner if I'd known they didn't have enough for the upcoming year but what's done is done. They have a limited supply in stock but this is obviously going to put a huge crimp in our instructional program for these boys if they're limited to dry-fire.

Any help in spotting ammo deliveries would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks!

[Mazin]

12 ga is stocked but 22lr is going to be a chore to find. GL man!

[wreave]

Yeah, they shouldn't have any trouble finding 12 GA. I will check my stock of 22 LR. This is a good cause.

[jhood001]

How soon do you need it?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Thanks guys ... we have until summer camp sessions start in June -- maybe even into July. I figured shotgun shells would be more available and was going to call Ammo Kan as they have been very supportive in the past but the .22 LR worries me. CMP told me they're out of stock until May and are even looking at the May date as optimistic. I haven't had to chance to inventory my own stock yet -- think I can put a dent in the .22 LR needs and just hope I can replace it over the summer -- but figured there were a lot of good people on this board who would be willing to let me know about availability or even pitch in buying a few boxes at a time if they saw it available. Obviously, it's easier logistically if I can buy or order the ammo myself than having to drive all over the state to pick up and reimburse people but it's gotten scarce enough that I have to keep an open mind.

I didn't want to jump the gun and was hesitating on posting something like this but figured the long lead time would help since ammo shows up so sporadically. Those of you up north may want to see if your own local councils are having similar issues -- most camps I know of are on thin budgets as it is and the fires last summer hit the camps north of Denver and outside Fort Collins pretty hard financially so they may not have been thinking about ammo shortages this fall.

PM me for a copy of the tax certificate (I have to be sure it's used only for these ammo purchases).

Thanks for your consideration.

[Dave]

What size shot for 12 gauge? Just looking for skeet or bird loads? I'll look around for .22 lr, I don't have anything that shoots it so I have none on hand.

[Aloha_Shooter]

1 oz (8 shot) -- the shotgun merit badge is skeet only.

[encorehunter]

Are you looking for a particular brand/bullet of 22 lr? Are they allowed to use HPs? I have some, but I had planned on using most of it for our local 4H program, as they are having the same difficulties. As a former boy scout shooting sports instructor, I feel your pain. I worked at SPSR here in southern Colorado for a few years.

[Lurch]

22lr can be found the problem is what are they willing to pay for it? I have found plenty at .10/rd which is on the expensive side.

Keep this post going and I will keep an eye out local and online.

[jslo]

I could part with a 555 block of Winchester (being it's for a good cause) if needed and will keep my eye on more

[StagLefty]

Good luck man-same problem up here in the Denver Area Council.

[XC700116]

I would me more than happy to help, just need to know what ammo is and isn't acceptable. I travel a lot and since I'm always looking for some myself would have no problems picking up what I find. The shotgun ammo shouldn't be tough to get by trolling through walmart, sportsmans, etc. But 22lr is going to be difficult and I can definately pick up what I find, when I find it.

[rockhound]

they are limiting purchases everywhere, was in co spgs this morning, shop was limiting to 2, 500 round bricks per person, 100 bricks gone in less than an hour

there was a guy on armslist that was selling 5000 rounds, a bit pricey at $500 , but if you need the quantity, maybe he would come down a bit for a good cause.

maybe we should do a group donation from the board.

I am sure i can scrounge a brick, i saw one other offer to do the same. I am sure we can come up with some volume eh

maybe Patrick or another vendor would let us use his shop as a drop point and the BS can pick them up????

[Southbridge]

I will try and scrounge some up too. Great cause though, first time I ever shot was at PV. That is when my dad and uncle decided it was time to get me my first .22.

[jgang]

Are shotshell reloads acceptable?

[brokenscout]

I have about 1,000rds of 22lr i'll give. PM sent

[Aloha_Shooter]

Thanks for all the offers guys -- our council has until June, possibly July until we have a critical situation so don't want to deprive anyone of their personal plinking. We have one option on the table that may resolve the whole situation and I'm waiting for word back from the other committee members; we'll probably have a long discussion about it Wed night. I can't promise all the boys going through Camp Alexander are first-time shooters (in fact, I know some of them aren't when I see them on the rifles) but I know we ARE introducing a lot of boys to our great sport. It's great to see all the support for Scouting at a time when we're under attack by Ob... the forces of extreme Liberalism.

As far as ammo types go, plinking quality is generally acceptable although we've had some issues with Remington (especially the Thunderbolt stuff). We've found the accuracy of the regular Remington to be sporadic which makes qualification scores problematic and the Thunderbolt was leaving huge lead deposits behind (I initially suspected inadequate cleaning by staff due to the size of the chunks but we cleaned out huge chunks of lead from brand-new out-of-box Henrys after one Shoot-a-ree using the Thunderbolt and out of my personal rifles so I know it was the ammo). We've been using copper jacketed American Eagle by Federal (38 gr) lately with good results but I think at this stage we just have to think about being able to support having boys get X rounds down range just for the orientation purposes and to get them to know and understand the basics of proper gun handling and realize it won't go "boom" just by looking at it.

Thanks all.

[wreave]

I'll commit a donation of a minimum of 1000 rounds, more if the need is there and my stash can support it. PM sent.

[DD977GM2]

Put me down for 1k rounds. PM so we can figure out details. [M2]

[Aloha_Shooter]

DD977GM2 -- Appreciate the offer, I will update this thread some more after our committee meeting on Wed but those of you near Denver may want to contact the Denver Area Council; StagLefty was indicating they have the same issue and I'd hate to poach on their "area" (plus it may be more convenient for one of their members to do the pickup). Again, many thanks for helping to inspire and train new shooters.

[StagLefty]

DD977GM2 -- Appreciate the offer, I will update this thread some more after our committee meeting on Wed but those of you near Denver may want to contact the Denver Area Council; StagLefty was indicating they have the same issue and I'd hate to poach on their "area" (plus it may be more convenient for one of their members to do the pickup). Again, many thanks for helping to inspire and train new shooters.

Thanks-I'll give the Council shooting coordinator a call and see what the current status is.
I just talked to him and he thinks we're okay. He orders about 60K a year directly from Winchester and says when they fill the amount they ship.

[mahabali]

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1281984&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&itemGUID=a7700c9aac10845528ffbd192321e0eb&destination=/checkout/basket.jsp

Cabelas has .22 but you have to call in the order.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Bump to thank those who offered to help.